Post APLSGZAlv6wPP6AMtc by kallisti@refusal.biz
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(DIR) Post #APLRsgXEtZvdHuHtnk by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:26:38.459572Z
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i need someone with strongly held ethical positions to present their treatise against narcissm pls
(DIR) Post #APLSDGWIoXM8gVfAUi by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:30:21.130848Z
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@aster this is the argument for narcissism
(DIR) Post #APLSGZAlv6wPP6AMtc by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:30:56.679622Z
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@aster i wasnt asking for that
(DIR) Post #APLSIFgbLGCFXvrFwm by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:31:15.158373Z
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@aster this also isnt a particularly rousing account
(DIR) Post #APLSXcmvjOVzXX9Gca by cafkafk@ak.cafkafk.com
2022-11-07T01:33:08.255722Z
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@kallisti Narcissism relies on people vulnerable to narcissism, but people vulnerable to narcissism give you less enjoyment than people that aren't vulnerable to narcissism, thus narcissism is sub-optimal even for the narcissist.
(DIR) Post #APLSXdB2HlnUkIQWC8 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:34:01.474063Z
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@cafkafk > Narcissism relies on people vulnerable to narcissismwat
(DIR) Post #APLSZz7XfdklNjun1E by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:34:27.762296Z
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@cafkafk im talking about like the absolute promotion of the self as an ethical system - the only thing that matters ethically is me
(DIR) Post #APLSlH9AzOzKTW3yka by anemone@akko.anemoneya.me
2022-11-07T01:36:31.468241Z
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@kallisti @cafkafk very suboptimal in the long or mid term sacrifice and cooperation are required for most human progress. you wont get very far without allies
(DIR) Post #APLSt2iEXZpg1XAGfo by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:37:53.479031Z
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@anemone @cafkafk > most human progresswhy should i care?
(DIR) Post #APLSx4nshwtbfRjJBY by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:38:38.110886Z
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@anemone @cafkafk all i care about is my will and furthering it. ill do whatever it takes to achieve that aim. i'll do the neccessary amount of sacrifice, but what's the point of this human progress shit>
(DIR) Post #APLSzyt5A00cBhY0HY by cafkafk@ak.cafkafk.com
2022-11-07T01:38:47.342966Z
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@kallisti Yes, and to the selfish subject, the abolition of narcissism is better for itself than the existence of narcissism, because it makes the world that the selfish subject inhabits a lot worse, not only because narcissists are walking cancer in and of themselves, but the people they drain are also removed from giving to the world what they would do naturally if there was no narcissistic black hole to suck their enjoyment. But why not be a narcissist yourself? They're generally living awful lives, their personalities are pure armor and their contact with reality has completely collapsed, they're the most hollow and shallow people in existence, and while that is good for the things that neoliberal capitalism values, it is not good for actually feeling good just being a thing that exists. That's why narcissist need to feed on others in the first place, they're a void that can't generate value, only suck it out, but they don't actually digest the value they just destroy it and wonder why it does not make them happy. They can never feel the fundamental lack in their psyche, no one can, but the narcissist is blind to the fact that they can't.
(DIR) Post #APLSzzKjVC7vZSU5Ng by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:39:09.141883Z
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@cafkafk blah blah blah
(DIR) Post #APLT6Hj02JGkLepyLo by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:40:17.981896Z
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@cafkafk that first paragraph amounts to essentially nothing can you rephrase it > it is not good for actually feeling good just being a thing that exists. ths is an assertion without backingthe next paragraph is toodo better
(DIR) Post #APLTAyKbZHf9eGf6EC by anemone@akko.anemoneya.me
2022-11-07T01:41:09.975509Z
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@kallisti @cafkafk also mean on a personal level. narcissists are toxic to those around them. most things require other people to accomplish. its true that a few narcissists have enough resources or enough charisma to get far but that's very rare and your odds of success are much better being empathetic.
(DIR) Post #APLTBWs79CfYm2bLBA by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:41:14.633387Z
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@cafkafk in this case, my ethical position is 'i will do what i want' - narcissism, and none of what you've said has gone aganst that
(DIR) Post #APLTEeuHjJg2Yx6oUq by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:41:47.700022Z
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@anemone @cafkafk yea i definitely made a mistake saying narcissism
(DIR) Post #APLTGXAxRdwHAFnlaa by cafkafk@ak.cafkafk.com
2022-11-07T01:41:34.094570Z
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@kallisti I will do what I want is not narcissism
(DIR) Post #APLTGXgVYLAyk6YxlY by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:42:08.396227Z
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@cafkafk sure hon
(DIR) Post #APLTGYlVXElm5tuTCK by cafkafk@ak.cafkafk.com
2022-11-07T01:41:54.607288Z
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@kallisti it's a bit childish, because if you want to take heroin that's not a good idea
(DIR) Post #APLTI12zruEg6CmhxA by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:42:24.930157Z
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@cafkafk hoes not heard of conflicting desires :skull:
(DIR) Post #APLTOvI1foZGGl6kng by cafkafk@ak.cafkafk.com
2022-11-07T01:42:56.388558Z
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@kallisti you have to do things that you don't want sometimes, being a brat doesn't make me wanna engage with you more thou
(DIR) Post #APLTOvjg10gZeW2pto by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:43:38.254846Z
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@cafkafk > being a brat doesn't make me wanna engage with you more thoui dont want to engage with you either you kep writing dumbass shit that i read because i read all my replies
(DIR) Post #APLTQwxURL0Y1YT8Hg by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:44:01.857291Z
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@cafkafk you say a whole buncha shit and its all a buncha nothing
(DIR) Post #APLTTrGs2fSnFmv9U0 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:44:33.780363Z
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@cafkafk also > you have to do things that you don't want sometimes??? yes?
(DIR) Post #APLUDx76eTpIh8Ki3M by wada@ak.cafkafk.com
2022-11-07T01:48:17.476523Z
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@kallisti easy: you piss off enough people they're gonna gang up and beat the soykaf out of you.if everyone was a narcissist, they'd all be easy to piss off and the more willing they are to gang up on you as a result.then we'd just end up in a perpetual state of everyone ganging up on each other and trying to kick the soykaf out of each other and nothing else will get done.
(DIR) Post #APLUDxbwnoUqEmlL7o by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:52:51.945160Z
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@wada > if everyone was a narcissistbut everyone isnt
(DIR) Post #APLUIO9Q4O4phwWwL2 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:53:40.118943Z
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@wada the position isnt an advocated one but a held one
(DIR) Post #APLUVRTb17uTmnBybY by wada@ak.cafkafk.com
2022-11-07T01:55:23.006603Z
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@kallisti ok well either way you're just gonna piss off enough people at some point and either they won't help you or actively work against you.
(DIR) Post #APLUVRork2vKql8xl2 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T01:56:02.244452Z
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@wada not if i like those people
(DIR) Post #APLUx6qbJCKnum9440 by wada@ak.cafkafk.com
2022-11-07T02:00:26.588431Z
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@kallisti okay then it's not really narcissism so idk what you want
(DIR) Post #APLUx7F3qFtt8dabBo by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-07T02:01:00.461196Z
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@wada yea i made the mistake of going too dumb / nondifferentiating