Post APJExWLUWHdzPgqeqe by alexha@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #APJ7qpx0WxnyVlGJRQ by stux@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:32:41Z
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Someone just came to me with an idea and I kinda like it and are willing to do it but I want your opinion first! :fediverse: Many people are following the 'famous' from Twitter to Mastodon but are having a hard time finding them..I just bought the domain 'officials.social' and I could setup and invite only instance for more 'high profile' people so to say so everyone can more easily find them?Before I proceed I like your input❤️
(DIR) Post #APJ81tIeQ38I5FelmK by lamp@mastodong.lol
2022-11-05T22:34:46Z
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@stux an _invite-only_ instance for known VIP's might not be a terrible idea. 🤔
(DIR) Post #APJ85H7wHpLIqqGBEm by stemid@mastodon.se
2022-11-05T22:34:18Z
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@stux naw you'll never convince everyone to register on your instance. it's like herding cats. easier to just have a directory just like we already do on several sites.
(DIR) Post #APJ85HW2qCco3bXQoK by stux@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:35:02Z
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@stemid I know! :blobcatgiggle: but a few would do already :cat_hug_triangle: Only for those who feel the need
(DIR) Post #APJ86mFc3RjvfZZ7bs by rsi@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:35:23Z
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@stux a primus inter paris server? I have some reservations about this..
(DIR) Post #APJ87TUfHMKVmhwFXc by rootfs@mastodon.org.uk
2022-11-05T22:35:09Z
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@stux Who would be "high profile" people? Would it be celebrities or just funny people on social media etc?I do worry that stuff like this implies that other folks are "unofficial" which kind of mellows the good vibe around here. But if people are OK and even would like to find these "famous" people (provided they won't be harassed and hounded endlessly) then sure.
(DIR) Post #APJ88PtU9Ee8uTztHU by boobury@journa.host
2022-11-05T22:35:22Z
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@stux Who is famous on mastodon? I wanna follow them.
(DIR) Post #APJ89J1XB0lTtNBaxk by shane@social.futurnumerique.com
2022-11-05T22:35:34Z
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@stux Let them be found like everyone else!
(DIR) Post #APJ8BNcV3iOCj5SvLs by Curiosa2Blue@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:35:58Z
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@stux This is such a great idea!
(DIR) Post #APJ8C5yg8cH4IcBG1w by stemid@mastodon.se
2022-11-05T22:36:06Z
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@stux use officials.social to setup a static site directory for high profile accounts instead. so we have one link to send people who are looking for these accounts. that way the high profile people still have the freedom to pick their own instance, but we can find them.
(DIR) Post #APJ8DM0835mSHhSW7U by Marguerite@mastodon.nl
2022-11-05T22:36:18Z
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@stux van mij hoeven die famous niet zo, maar als het helpt om andere mensen blij te maken go for it.
(DIR) Post #APJ8FqznmYcKzZUwd6 by stux@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:36:37Z
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@rootfs Yea thats the question a bit.. Uh, perhaps 'verified' people from Twitter or celebrities.. You are also official ofc! :cat_hug_triangle:
(DIR) Post #APJ8GyGsDaGtqV13Jo by jennymeteenei@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:36:43Z
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@stux not sure about this, i like the lack of hierarchy on here
(DIR) Post #APJ8JOxbxVaLCUAIl6 by greub@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:36:57Z
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@stux I guess it depends on what 'famous' people are. If it's famous twitter accounts then I'd say no. If it's 'famous' people outside of social networks then why not? But those people will be found on the #fediverse eventually no?
(DIR) Post #APJ8KFnrUUHJ5b0lQ8 by funkypenguin@so.fnky.nz
2022-11-05T22:37:00Z
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@stux feels like a bad idea TBH. How about a GitHub pages-based list (like the awesome lists), updated via PRs for transparency?
(DIR) Post #APJ8MfA0BVWOJPW37I by xolagix@meow.social
2022-11-05T22:37:49Z
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@stux how high is "high-profile" though? like, stephen king and popular brands "high-profile" or fairly niche internet celebrities "high-profile"?
(DIR) Post #APJ8NXl5BrGhe3HQPY by AlexGizis@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:37:58Z
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@stux I can speak for all the people of fedeverse when i say it depends on whether @AlexGizis is “high profile” or not. If not, it’s a terrible idea. (No seriously, it’s a terrible idea, attempting to create the blue check mark caste system if twitter)
(DIR) Post #APJ8RVvXwNo77k4FsG by mdbraber@mastodon.nl
2022-11-05T22:39:00Z
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@stux only if you're ready to do the credential checking / vetting too. I would present it as a temporary solution and also help them with a more permanent path after that
(DIR) Post #APJ8SDcFVUW0cdNSu8 by bestiaexmachina@metalhead.club
2022-11-05T22:39:08Z
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@stux I like the sentiment, but I gotta admit I have mixed feelings about it.Having @officials.social behind your name would be the equivalent of a blue check – something that deliberately hasn't been implemented on Mastodon because over here, no one is supposed to be more important than the other; everyone is on eye-level.Who's gonna determine who is "official" enough?I fear it might spark an unhealthy run for an "elite" community. That's just my two cents, though. 🙂
(DIR) Post #APJ8TVtj1M1rc0AYFc by fabiscafe@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:39:25Z
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@stux I don't see how I would find someone easier that way.
(DIR) Post #APJ8UZZSqj2RIHCIpk by almost_equal_to@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:39:29Z
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@stux Do you need our opinion? Does this idea help you at work? 🤔
(DIR) Post #APJ8XAnBQsfxJRr24O by flyingyogini@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:39:42Z
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@stux honestly don’t dig. Would love to have improvements to search function to find people and a way that our user names can only be used by one person. Those seem bigger priorities
(DIR) Post #APJ8XxUQNPmkLSSF8K by tehstu@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:39:53Z
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@stux I voted yes without much thought, but on reflection I think really clear, simple documentation for the biggest sticking points (that I've seen people mention) might be more useful. Which instance to pick, how do I verify myself, etc. I know it's all there, it just needs emphasis.And, of course, that's not your remit either. Totally get that! Just feels like a guide might help more than another instance.
(DIR) Post #APJ8YzNYq0K4UhjfJw by ralf@r2.do
2022-11-05T22:39:39Z
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@stux I had a very similar idea: Offering an instance where people are verified according to a well documented and fully transparent process, e.g. by Photo ID, etc. Of course, it won't be about paying for verification. The instance would effectively signal: The team has seen the Photo ID (and probably other means) and can attest for the identity. -- All of these ideas boil down to the question, whether there's a case for special *purpose* instances as opposed to special
(DIR) Post #APJ8ZS1aKmyXKwg1aq by ralf@r2.do
2022-11-05T22:39:39Z
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@stux *interest* instances. Another example could be verified.press. On the other hand, if we create more instances that potentially grow to very large user bases, it is a bit against the idea of having a vastly federated landscape.
(DIR) Post #APJ8b8pqeOyaOwzdNQ by admin@mastodon.nu
2022-11-05T22:39:56Z
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@stux Not sure I like the idea, have to think about it.
(DIR) Post #APJ8dXCf1RAAYYnwTw by RoelfRenkema@ned.masto.host
2022-11-05T22:40:17Z
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@stux Might lure them more easily.
(DIR) Post #APJ8ddy1sEcPXD0r9E by Liveotherwise@mastodon.art
2022-11-05T22:40:16Z
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@stux a lot of people are famous for being famous and I see this place as a leveller, I don't think this would be a good move. Already seen people chasing numbers and I don't think it's a healthy way to go.
(DIR) Post #APJ8eYFgbm166BhkRc by stiles@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:40:47Z
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@stux I am rather new so maybe I am missing something but how would having these folks on their own instance help me find them? Can you browse a list of users on an instance? I don’t see that ability. It seems like some sort of directory would be a good idea though.
(DIR) Post #APJ8fkYiKxCsYdAzNQ by Blogfeedser@mastodon.nl
2022-11-05T22:40:32Z
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@stux Perhaps you could charge them €7 a month. Ka-ching! 😄
(DIR) Post #APJ8hF46OuylScZM4e by XanIndigo@writing.exchange
2022-11-05T22:40:45Z
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@stux David Bowie quite famously used to have an incognito account on Tumblr so he could laugh at the memes people were making of him, and I feel like more high profile people should follow his example.
(DIR) Post #APJ8iJgghV3m5P86Nc by johndellaporta@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:41:07Z
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@stux this would certainly solve for a lot of concern about duplicated handles, plus provide a kind of individualized vetting that would be desirable for some of the more cautious, vulnerable folks
(DIR) Post #APJ8iZbxUqmfTN2YEK by james@mastodon.coffee
2022-11-05T22:42:14Z
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@stemid @stux Don't forget that @FediFollows has a list of fediverse accounts on https://fedi.directory
(DIR) Post #APJ8jnQval7OdASoaW by aswin@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:41:23Z
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@stux I can see this leading to the lord and peasant system. Of course, there are famous people in the real world, but classifying them separately will mean that there is a demarcation line in between. It’s better to leave that demarcation line to the eye of the beholder and let them decide who is famous and worth following rather than explicitly defining it as a system.
(DIR) Post #APJ8kVxO3RE6iZzMI4 by randimayemsinger@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:41:29Z
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@stux this was my concern. I want to be able to find the notable people I followed (and if I'm being honest, was lucky to be followed by, on Twitter. And if I'm being honest, I want them to find me again.
(DIR) Post #APJ8oj5DC3ZEaQenDs by stux@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:42:29Z
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@mdbraber Indeed, something like that OR a valid verfiied link back to MastoI can help with that proccess since it's not that many peoplePlus, if someone would help with that, that would be awesome :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #APJ8pQJCTvJ4eGX4Uq by goabiaryan@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:42:35Z
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@stux @rootfs anyone with a well-referenced Wikipedia page? That would include famous historians, scientists as well as celebrities
(DIR) Post #APJ8rgxRYGgOrcRBey by oscar@mastodon.design
2022-11-05T22:41:37Z
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@stux new here! I’m not sure how things work 😂 but having a good place to find interesting content creators regardless of the server they are in would be amazing. And for sure highlighting some that came from twitter, but maybe it doesn’t need to be an “official” or blue check mark type thing. There are plenty of amazing creators here already as well
(DIR) Post #APJ8uPeqKTDm4s2DdA by yuhline@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:43:38Z
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@stux I like the idea. I think it makes it easier for us to find the content we had before too.
(DIR) Post #APJ8xWoQBYYn8T05r6 by alexbenyon@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:44:05Z
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Make sure to only charge $7 a month to be on it though ;)
(DIR) Post #APJ8zEXl4yDN3U1HbE by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-11-05T22:45:30.003353Z
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@stux I was actually thinking of a similar idea and was telling @Marbleturtle about it while raking leaves. Perhaps maybe invite-only would be too exclusive, you'd have a hard time getting the invites to the celebrities IMHO. But you could allow sign-up submissions that must be approved, and vet out the requests one by one.There used to be an instance like this called verified.af, but they shut down for some reason.
(DIR) Post #APJ8zoP9kQiyHEGvBo by video_manager@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:44:20Z
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@stux simply put, you do not want that headache - all you will get is grief over who you do and who you *don't* invite/list.
(DIR) Post #APJ937TVIn0eI4smvY by Lsquare28@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:44:58Z
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@stux you could also charge them $7.99 for the verification, cheaper than Twitter! 😉
(DIR) Post #APJ9HLVRvkdPrWZnPc by vosje62@mastodon.nl
2022-11-05T22:48:38Z
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@stux if people leave a forwarding address on Twitter there should not be a problem.If Mastodon grows it probably will be interesting for Google to treat Mastodon just as Twitter in Search.You should ask that group what they want (need).
(DIR) Post #APJ9LOpJWkfFJonhiq by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-11-05T22:49:29.842923Z
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@Lsquare28 @stux LOL! 😂#Mastodon doesn't have an official account verification system, does it? I do know that #Soapbox does.It also happens to have an account label feature, similar to what #ElonMusk plans to use for the accounts of politicians and whatnot.The #Fediverse is ahead.
(DIR) Post #APJ9P6CciGNSiQT3Lc by quokka@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:50:06Z
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@stux gonna charge them $8? :blobcatwink: Seems you'd be creating a them/us.
(DIR) Post #APJ9ZkPC5waqIXQPZY by sandrolinux@masthead.social
2022-11-05T22:48:28Z
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@stux Might take up a lot of resources which could be invested in mstdn.social. (a lot of people interact with high profile individuals)
(DIR) Post #APJ9aJ0xQ30DdVM39c by Cankyre@toot.community
2022-11-05T22:51:59Z
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@stux I am on the 'bad idea' team on this one. See, the fact that people are selected by their fame can have bad consequences, like for exemple people 'fameshaming' other or stuff like that.. can't rly find my words to explain.
(DIR) Post #APJ9hcUNPahS3vbROy by SkyLander@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:53:10Z
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@stux I think I'll echo some others there I would rather have a directory of famous people or whatever that might be and a better way to become verified.
(DIR) Post #APJ9kigkomgS9us2Lo by Rinabobina@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:53:32Z
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@stux I feel one of the main purposes of ‘verification’ or official status is to protect consumers. Otherwise anyone can sell or spam under an impersonated public figure name. I feel it’s a good idea
(DIR) Post #APJ9szFB9MRRowul5k by puckgrl@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:55:28Z
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@stux no then it’s like the blue checkmark and the elites become elites again and I like how we are equals atm. It feels nice.
(DIR) Post #APJ9ueV1FTJU3u7Ma8 by SteveLionel@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:55:36Z
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@stux I don't think this is a good idea. First, "officials" implies (to me) government positions, and there are many other high-profile positions. I see that a "journo" server has been started for journalists. I don't think this is something you should dive into.
(DIR) Post #APJA2UuglycSeFrj4C by mr_white@mastodon.world
2022-11-05T22:56:20Z
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@stux making it easier to fin them would take the fun from understanding mastodon to a landing site, not a network
(DIR) Post #APJA41CgCirb5H0Q9w by fogelnet@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:56:55Z
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@stux nope!!!
(DIR) Post #APJA8fJj0LcieWW77o by farbav@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:57:48Z
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@stux I love this idea. Having a hard time finding the "blue check" people I follow. In the meantime, looking forward to meeting the #newhere folks; Keep up the good work. :blobcatlove:
(DIR) Post #APJAAJPFRKeFHBsxtY by brendan@mastodon.green
2022-11-05T22:58:12Z
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@stux IMO I think the issue is less with whether people are finding the official version of others, and more with just the basic exploration of Mastodon and other people (notable or not).
(DIR) Post #APJAB7UdDafCcMmyEC by puzzled@coales.co
2022-11-05T22:58:13Z
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@stux I've thought about this for 10 or 20 seconds, so I now have amazing insight I must share...Oh.Hmmm....It's beginning to occur to me that there might be some issues that should be carefully weighed.Glad you're thinking about this! 🤓 Hope this does not require too much time to administer. Simple issue: "officials" plural sounds like a group of people who decide things.
(DIR) Post #APJACX93KXgsSvMyoK by arek@mastodon.internet-czas-dzialac.pl
2022-11-05T22:58:49Z
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@stux sounds like splitting people to low and high types, I don't like it
(DIR) Post #APJAEYMVmBjGorczdw by CrustyBumbler@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:59:17Z
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@stux without seeing ID or such how will you know it's them? Sounds like a blue tick fudge, and I don't think it would end well
(DIR) Post #APJANNQfnH4lWAmXZY by ramones@mastodon.coffee
2022-11-05T23:00:56Z
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@stux You could charge them $8 and give them a blue sign...
(DIR) Post #APJAP2wSw4hwYbRsvY by clairefromparis@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:01:12Z
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@stux I don’t care much. Let’s not try to make a new Twitter would be my recommendation. Or maybe it could something close to old time Twitter… when blue checks were not a thing…
(DIR) Post #APJATN2QA2iE2gIQPw by starling@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:02:01Z
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@stux On one hand, it would certainly be handy. On the other it would be difficult to pull off and more importantly, it feels against the spirit of Mastodon (though I'm still new here, so please consider my judgements with that in mind).
(DIR) Post #APJAadBWWfNM9E1356 by W_Lucht@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:03:20Z
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@stux In my opinion the name "official" is not ideal. For good reasons, many "well-known names" write in their own name, not in their official capacity.
(DIR) Post #APJAlCzqEZoa6xaywq by artichoke@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:05:11Z
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@stux No strong opinion, but seems too difficult to get people to register, and if somehow it becomes "the" instance, you'll end up confusing people when there's famous people not on the instance
(DIR) Post #APJAyUJTA9WlaA6mIq by jocarren@lile.cl
2022-11-05T23:07:30Z
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@stux and you could charge them $6 😂
(DIR) Post #APJB0DEtc6RlCxn8Wu by lerk@comm.network
2022-11-05T23:07:41Z
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@stux call it elitism.social, lol
(DIR) Post #APJB7Q6ACa3r7K8yTg by ArtistFormerlyKnownAsKim@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:09:19Z
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@stux heck yeah!
(DIR) Post #APJBIrbYH5RbbzHYKu by rohash@toot.community
2022-11-05T23:11:21Z
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@stux seems very undemocratic…
(DIR) Post #APJBVLNpNsMbRYoWP2 by stux@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:13:36Z
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Oh wow, such valid and good arguments both for and against! :blobcheerwitch: Don't wanna step on people's toes though.. This is a hard one🤔
(DIR) Post #APJBbieTmjNxLadthI by lerk@comm.network
2022-11-05T23:14:38Z
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@stux
(DIR) Post #APJBj1JCokX7EnAnvk by ScriptFanix@pouet.chapril.org
2022-11-05T23:15:41Z
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@stuxIf you go with this, prepare for massive headaches with usurpations and such
(DIR) Post #APJBnFbhbB0Kk1qH8S by JoYo@hackers.town
2022-11-05T23:16:49Z
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@stux a heavily moderated celebrity instance is inevitable.
(DIR) Post #APJBp0NHCjEO4qvnHc by MarkusEicher@fosstodon.org
2022-11-05T23:17:05Z
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@stux Hi Stux. I'm a newbie here but I appreciate the human touch and the fact that all are on the same level. What I would like to have is a global list of all accounts in #activitypub. Kind of like the global address book on mailsystems. If high profile accounts would be tagged as such that should be enough then. Thanks for the opportunity to give my opinion.
(DIR) Post #APJBxWDcgxEn9oTXXc by heath@mastodon.cloud
2022-11-05T23:18:44Z
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@stux would you be pulling verified users for that purpose? I realize mastodon doesn't have a verification concept at this point, but I'm verified on Twitter and I'm sure there are others who wouldn't mind something similar here - not in a vanity way.
(DIR) Post #APJC66yTv0pDTCUTRI by bacon@cheeseburger.social
2022-11-05T23:20:11Z
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@stux I could see something where if mastodon really takes off then celebrities would have an instance setup by whoever manages there current websites and they post from there. like social.bradpit.com. that way the domain name can be there verification and the instance can be customized/branded to them.
(DIR) Post #APJC6zo63KCLWv3SO8 by TomKox@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:20:16Z
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@stux Sounds kinda elitist.
(DIR) Post #APJCNjrAbpPyz2TZI0 by kura@z0ne.social
2022-11-05T23:23:32.985Z
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@stux@mstdn.social Germany has many instances that are kind of special, like the one from our government, also Jan Böhmermann, a rather famous TV Moderator has his own instance with his team.I think an official instance would have several problems :- a "reputable" admin team- entitled 24/7 support- the :verified_twtr: thing (remember it's for officials)- demands to keep certain rules (like blocking incoming and most likely outgoing communication with certain instances)- and many more.
(DIR) Post #APJCQpq4p6cuPFRPF2 by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-11-05T23:24:07.468927Z
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@kura @stux blobcatsad
(DIR) Post #APJCT7itIlFiS5Afku by kura@z0ne.social
2022-11-05T23:24:32.075Z
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@neo@pl.comfysnug.space @stux@mstdn.social why :blobcatsad:?
(DIR) Post #APJCcsi5yR62moS50i by alanhait@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:26:06Z
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@stux I think the concept has merit, but…. You’re inviting a lot of potential stress on yourself. Who decides who is a “famous” person or a VIP? How would you validate that the member is who they say they are? You’re doing a super job managing this server, and I think this would add a lot of extra work and aggravation for you.I’d save the idea in a “Pending” file until the #TwitterMigration dust settles. 🙏🏼
(DIR) Post #APJCgCg6BrtvaH6OUy by sou@fediscience.org
2022-11-05T23:26:44Z
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@stux One of the more appealing characteristics of Mastodon is that it's about topics of interest, and people, and not a celebrity-chasing site. It's not (so far) bombarding me with items I'm not interested in just because so and so said something, anything - whether clever, funny or not clever, not funny. OTOH it could be useful in knowing who/what to avoid 😄 (I'm not good at keeping up with popular culture and not a fan of celebrity worship, so my opinion is prob worthless:D)
(DIR) Post #APJChECY0oI4b9lhK4 by mbrailer@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:26:52Z
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@stux I think that accounts like FediFollows that call attention to noteworthy users is a better idea.
(DIR) Post #APJCi82CQTHrlHMDy4 by CrustyBumbler@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:27:02Z
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@stux I think if it was a fediverse-wide thing, it *might* work? Sounds like a lot to take on on your own though. Entirely your choice mind, this is your house and your rules!
(DIR) Post #APJCjXWL9e5h5x81Wi by LauraListerJaffe@sfba.social
2022-11-05T23:27:20Z
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@stux New and lost a little, but having a server just for “famous” punches all the buttons that saw Star Trek Cloud Minders episode at like 5 and liking the Troglytes better than the Stratos dwellers…We will find the folk… can we have something other than a blue check? The joke is old already…
(DIR) Post #APJCkYMFWkS7yttM2q by lush1us@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:27:24Z
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@stux the intention is good and you could possibly piggyback this server for whatever 'verified' system you will implement in the future
(DIR) Post #APJCkeuVAJPsIrxnGa by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-11-05T23:27:42.333739Z
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@kura @stux i don't see a solution to the "we don't want to federate with people" problem @ official instances of govts n shit
(DIR) Post #APJCllBtIfjM4UcdoO by DocCarms@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:27:30Z
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@stux i voted yes but on second thought and after reading most of the replies, I think, no. I only need a list of these people. Maybe provide additional way to verify their identity.
(DIR) Post #APJD0CWOTwvMtG69Wi by nomdeb@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:30:25Z
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@stux I don't know about famous, but possibly "formerly genuinely verified" :) :) :) Now that anybody on Twitter can get a checkmark. I have been manually going to people's twitter accounts to make sure that I follow the correct account on here. It's been time consuming, but also the crawlers have helped.
(DIR) Post #APJDAfWVVbdhjY8uJ6 by kura@z0ne.social
2022-11-05T23:32:24.036Z
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@neo@pl.comfysnug.space @stux@mstdn.social I see govs don't wanting (right fully so) to communicate with borderline criminal instances (gab, kiwifarms, fse, etc)Influencers with instances that allow (untagged) ecchi or pornOr instances for bots (be it completly like b.z0ne.social or botsin.space or instances that allow bot accounts)Instances that don't moderate speech like they demand (hate speech, fake news, or even opinions that are not in their favor or sth)There are many things that come into my mind.
(DIR) Post #APJDAxR8uI2lI7lsRc by nikkidactyl@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:32:20Z
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@stux I am not tech savvy at all, so I don’t want to imply that I understand the inner workings of social media, either federated like mastodon or a single uniform package like Twitter, but that seems really close to heading down an algorithm or verified route. I for one don’t want accounts pushed in my face because they’re “different” or “special”. I’m different than everyone else here, too. I’m just not famous.
(DIR) Post #APJDEerHvG1cpWlUUS by chedim@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:33:01Z
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@stux they probably will end up putting #masto on their own domain (i.g., email) anyway.
(DIR) Post #APJDHK0BvGBf0vCQm8 by kura@z0ne.social
2022-11-05T23:33:35.584Z
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@neo@pl.comfysnug.space @stux@mstdn.social like I don't see a problem with official instances made by those officials themselves.But a Twitter like central platform could really hurt IMO
(DIR) Post #APJDHVYcxZGiquOaTg by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-11-05T23:33:38.186657Z
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@kura @stux the fact that gab and fse can be considered borderline criminal is, in itself, borderline criminal in my opinion. free speech should be default imo.
(DIR) Post #APJDNAgZTRBHrBoO5g by tornuggla@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:34:34Z
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@stux There should emerge quite a few directory servers with directories where high profile people are listed and can check for themselves (via some script) that no imposter account is listed there. Both regional, thematical and international servers will evolve as “trusted" by ordinary users and VIP's. Maybe your domain can be a start. If you get many high profiles to spread the word that their real accounts are listed there.>>
(DIR) Post #APJDcIGRZxcnhmnlaq by kura@z0ne.social
2022-11-05T23:37:22.951Z
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@neo@pl.comfysnug.space @stux@mstdn.social according to German laws, gab is illegal. Though they don't federated anymore.Fse is seen by many people as a dumpster. I like that dumpster fire, but not everyone does. Rightfully so.But I imagine having one central instance for everything might do more worse them good for the decentralized nature of fedi.In the worst case it will end with an elitist group of instances that are whitelisted to talk to them. And then you have a Twitter like platform with a single central control entity.
(DIR) Post #APJDh0Xusl6QCXDqMq by colapunk@todon.nl
2022-11-05T23:38:05Z
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@stux nah, the checkmarks probably all have access to serverspace where they host their own website, or their employer if media or government or whatever.Make it just like email: you know you're dealing with the real ones if they're mailing/tooting from a fitting domain. Wierdduk@telegraaf.nl is way better than the officials thingy, and the plus side is we can just block telegraaf altogether.
(DIR) Post #APJDkPXWPf9waPf0Xw by masstransitkrow@federation.ninetiesmysteri.es
2022-11-05T23:38:16.583780Z
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@JoYo @stux they'd harm their reach if they went too far though
(DIR) Post #APJDuo0WIV0bMqBG9g by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-11-05T23:40:44.397402Z
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@kura @stux I understand needing to filter content illegal in $COUNTRY, but gab already doesn't federate. No action needed.FSE isn't everyone's cup of tea? Follower-only MRF or whatever it takes to keep it out of "TWKN" but let it into personal feedsCentral instances for official entities are fine to a degree so long as they do not amass silo's of users.
(DIR) Post #APJE112ckaS5Wr7sO0 by pcalico@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:41:42Z
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@stux seems to me that the process of learning how to get around and find people you'd like to follow will result in a better understanding of how this community is self made rather than driven by an algorithm's view of who to follow like you-know.everyone (who keeps it public) has a directory - who they follow and who follows them. When I find someone I enjoy following I have a look at who they're following. Often find new people that way.
(DIR) Post #APJE8ILKoyOZDULgfI by eager_pebble@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:42:47Z
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@stux I don't think that helps because it's unclear how the people invited are verified. I addressed that a bit in here: https://mstdn.social/@eager_pebble/109292924808255232I think it would be better if famous people could attach an instance to a domain they are already associated with (because they own it or their employer owns it).
(DIR) Post #APJEDMcuK51bwuz9eK by kura@z0ne.social
2022-11-05T23:44:05.903Z
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@neo@pl.comfysnug.space @stux@mstdn.social stux wants to make one single instance officials.social - the question is: what counts as official?I like how Germany does it, it's one instance for German government (social.bund.de), but if you create a singular instance for all governments and basically every blue check mark person on Twitter... That's what I'm talking about. Not each group of officials doing their own instance.
(DIR) Post #APJEJHk1OnmSXG8WBs by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-11-05T23:45:09.603459Z
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I don’t think it’s a bad thing if each country has their own site. In fact, I think that’d probably be optimal.
(DIR) Post #APJEaRJZ3ipN9JwPfk by kura@z0ne.social
2022-11-05T23:48:15.057Z
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@realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world I agree with that and would recommend that route as well.Though only use that for governments. Influencers, Stars and other prominent people should search for an instance of their own choosing
(DIR) Post #APJEp8f0hGHZddyu4u by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-11-05T23:50:53.871446Z
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There are two instances like this, for #Europe:respublicae.eu (unofficial) social.network.europa.eu (official)They seem to be doing this well.
(DIR) Post #APJEpfMN7Zyv3OVz6m by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2022-11-05T23:51:00.783963Z
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There are two instances like this, for #Europe:respublicae.eu (unofficial)social.network.europa.eu (official)They seem to be doing this well.
(DIR) Post #APJEszTamk9uJRTexk by nemobis@mamot.fr
2022-11-05T23:51:30Z
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@stux A thematic instance could be useful. Journalists already created their own, you could have a subdomain for some other profession.Meanwhile you can use the domain to load a list of handles from Wikidata. :)https://mamot.fr/@nemobis/109291293571368305
(DIR) Post #APJExWLUWHdzPgqeqe by alexha@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:52:20Z
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@stux I have some reservations about having an unofficial "check-mark" system and effectively divvying up Mastodon into social strata by instance. The point of federated instances is to allow people to organise into communities, not create a pseudo-class system.
(DIR) Post #APJF1hhQFU51mi6KUS by chronicleflask@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T23:52:55Z
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@stux how will you decide who’s “official”? Blue tick Twitter accounts? Because for example, Twitter verifies all its employee accounts (and that doesn’t go away if they leave the company, based on the one person I know who resigned a few months back). Most of those people aren’t really famous/official. On the other hand, there are unverified accounts with thousands of loyal followers… would they be included?
(DIR) Post #APJFTFGtXJixj2pGGu by Wonam6@awscommunity.social
2022-11-05T23:58:00Z
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@stux - I just want more journalists on here.
(DIR) Post #APJGOaWPCXRy8cQLVQ by alexha@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T00:08:26Z
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@stux This is absolutely, certifiably my opinion, but I think the idea of a de-facto "verified" status harms the idea of an equality amongst instances. Instances are supposed to be community hubs, not ways of measuring social importance (a social class system, if you will).
(DIR) Post #APJGvuIKhrm51FjHP6 by RosaLSmothers@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T00:14:22Z
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@stux could this become a defacto “check” with which people assumed a degree of vetting before gaining access? my guess is some assumptions and user behavior will be adopted from former Twitter users. 🤔
(DIR) Post #APJH69BYCMeg66RKUa by perigee@toot.party
2022-11-06T00:16:11Z
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@stux I feel like it's too close to verification. Too easy to monetize in ways that would set up people as authorities without necessarily earning that or earning our trust. I don't like the potential downsides, though I know it would likely help celebrities feel they were sufficiently honored. But as a perpetual plebe, I'm not thrilled by that dynamic to begin with. I like Mastodon because of the lack of clout. That said, they'd be easy to mute if they were all in the same place.
(DIR) Post #APJIcs2P4byKQSKS6y by goldiechan@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T00:33:18Z
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@stux so interesting! definitely would love an invite if possible
(DIR) Post #APJIkajrH6kd5eKuCu by greub@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T00:34:49Z
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@stux When trully in doubt you can always wait. There is no rush (Is there a rush?). If it is trully a good idea, then it will still be a good idea a couple of weeks from now. If not then you wont have wasted ressources and time on this.
(DIR) Post #APJMXrSWCJDl01PWrY by rogierz@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T01:17:20Z
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@stux I prefer a directory. Not an exclusive instance which may cause a sense of entitlement. It is a good thing for celebrities to mix with us regulars.
(DIR) Post #APJO0eTBfbPR4A12uG by fogelnet@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T01:33:44Z
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@stux is there something like this for users?Then anyone who wants to be found could opt-in. 👇🏻https://fediverse.info/explore/people
(DIR) Post #APJOtq3eHsH0vuNyC0 by fogelnet@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T01:43:22Z
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@stux regardless of the poll outcome I hope you step back and take a hard look. Is this really in the spirit of what all this is supposed to be about. Sounds kind of #Twitter ish to me. Then, why not have a dedicated server for Patreon members? <- I think this is a really bad idea too but trying to make a point. #NoWalledGarden
(DIR) Post #APJRHA5w9lMne3hlsO by Janb@mas.to
2022-11-05T23:16:56Z
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@stux thanks, am having difficulty finding people. Thank you.
(DIR) Post #APJSOvHVDTSPyNNZrc by BriOnThePond@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T02:22:46Z
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@stux since I’m a new comer following people I trust on Twitter I want to defer to long time Mastodon users. I will learn the us so th platform and will find those I chose to follow and hopefully many more people of interest. I don’t need it to be Twitter. Just a good community. Thanks for asking.
(DIR) Post #APJScRpVVsaCgVjZD6 by Rubyslippahs@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T02:25:24Z
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@stux at first I thought yes, but changing my mind to no. What alternative exists for ensuring people are interacting with the person stated?
(DIR) Post #APJT4FQzC1L4LhWKLA by tlesher@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T02:30:21Z
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@stux This sounds like a federated equivalent of the "blue checkbox".
(DIR) Post #APJZrT1o2UrqQMayu0 by ethan@mastodon.ajax.gg
2022-11-06T03:46:32Z
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@stux I think go for it. The more people test this concept and the guard rails, the more we learn and better it gets for all.
(DIR) Post #APJeSLxxerpz3LdoeG by ifixcoinops@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T22:35:31Z
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@stux Good god yes please concentrate the celebrities into one easily-ignorable server
(DIR) Post #APJeTHvq8ubSpZ5wOW by richardbranson@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T22:35:53Z
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@stux great idea. I think 🤷🏻♂️
(DIR) Post #APJeUpuPIqUyUvA9UO by LNevesGoncalves@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T22:38:45Z
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@stux van mij hoeven al die beroemde mensen niets speciaals. Ik hoop dat alle nieuwssites/kranten hier komen. Ik gebruik Twitter (nog) als nieuwsbron
(DIR) Post #APJeVdTB2MQUCwo6zI by n3wjack@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T22:38:56Z
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@stux don't forget to charge €8 though 😏
(DIR) Post #APJeWhnKRTlHuYk8Yq by QuantumAspect@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T22:39:47Z
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@stux No not another instance. You are having trouble enough paying the hosting service for your current ones. And others are already starting this kind of instances. I saw one for journalists. Sorry, i forgot the exact domain.
(DIR) Post #APJeXBgHKFwobNfvjk by Janda@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T22:39:57Z
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@stux Laat je ze dan ook 8 euro per maand betalen voor die server?
(DIR) Post #APJeZZ7f8oCHsscNKS by vertis@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T22:40:58Z
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@stux not sure about the domain exactly but it is important for high-profile people either celebrities or government officials to be findable.I saw someone suggesting a NY Times instance and I think that's a good step. Each big media company and government has their own instance.
(DIR) Post #APJeaiU7olLtD6fohM by ranx@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T22:42:13Z
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@stux wouldn't that be a bit elitarian? 🤔 🤷🏻♂️
(DIR) Post #APJefZ7s2dOpdFZnIe by Sofi3522@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T22:46:16Z
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@stux this would be really cool! Im leaving Twitter this week- hard decision, since I had some good memories from that place, but enough is enough.
(DIR) Post #APJeifyJ2tQTjTaNge by johnefrancis@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T22:49:14Z
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@stux let's see if they stay famous on merit, without the privilege of commercially motivated amplification. No need for a privileged instance.
(DIR) Post #APJej0KfLTCAscCWJc by Grant_M@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T22:49:18Z
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@stux It might be cooler to use the domain as a list for accounts. People could search by real name and find the @ address and instance they're on. Like an old-timey phone book. :)
(DIR) Post #APJekLtGg7Bu1y1pGy by Fairaday@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T22:50:48Z
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@stux Maybe something like 'verified.social'? Something that uses a similar parlance/term as other networks?
(DIR) Post #APJfDg1cte6IsLvAhc by Puurava@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T23:15:02Z
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@stux Just don't.
(DIR) Post #APJfJDMkMdndjBRNk8 by HarryBrandt@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T23:18:41Z
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@stux Volgens mij is de simpele vraag, hebben bekende mensen meer rechten dan onbekende mensen? En als tweede vraag, wat zeggen de Mastodon regels daarover? Met de antwoorden daarop, kun je bepalen wat te doen!
(DIR) Post #APJfJrupbKpbUThAQK by Roelant@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T23:18:50Z
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@stux it centralizes the “validation) again, and there already is a fine mechanism (verified website) as you know. Adding more will confuse people what to look for and devaluate both. So I’d tend to go with “no”. Especially because - as you’ll learn if you do go ahead - there is also a learning curve with this, comparable to the moderation learning curve* that was shared here recently. *) In case you missed it: https://www.techdirt.com/2022/11/02/hey-elon-let-me-help-you-speed-run-the-content-moderation-learning-curve/
(DIR) Post #APJfqG5DHaFpi9zoO0 by gandy@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T23:35:08Z
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@stux I feel like I want to know more about someone than just "famous". Lots of people are famous for dumb stuff, whereas being famous for something interesting (and good value on the network) merits a follow. So federated fame would be my preference, many servers that through their validation processes convey some sort of quality or achievement. Win a Nobel Prize? Get to join the Nobel server. That kind of thing. Might be more interesting than a general "tick".
(DIR) Post #APJfyhxtVBkeVCbMjA by Caro_Dew_@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T23:40:57Z
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@stux I’d like it. For professional official accounts, not necessarily celebrity accounts. Eg: journals, scientific associations, journalists, gov accounts etc.
(DIR) Post #APJgd5wjl8euSjJnZA by raineer@frontrange.co
2022-11-06T05:02:20Z
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@stux I think it’s a necessary evil in 2022 that we need to provide a “normie-friendly” version of verification. Most actors/politicians won’t have a gitlab or their own instance to validate via ownership.However…this solution is centralized. I can’t think of a great way to decentralize it, so I’m sorta just throwing stones I guess.
(DIR) Post #APJh3T1uYfHnaFJW7s by jbaert@mastodon.social
2022-11-06T00:38:35Z
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@stux I think it would introduce some kind of class system, some blue check kind of snobbery. I don't think it's the solution to discoverability issues 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #APJhaNwqTMxbNZdn5k by stevendrowe@mastodon.social
2022-11-06T01:14:21Z
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@stux not sure what the criteria for “famous” would be and who would decide that. Either way, this wasn’t my purpose for coming to Mastodon, I’ve experienced enough celebrities to last a life time wich would fill 5 volumes of a book series.
(DIR) Post #APJhjgEpq7bEiAUI6K by ummjackson@mastodon.social
2022-11-06T01:25:57Z
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@stux Anything that helps Mastodon continue as the de facto migration choice is necessary to avoid this being a ghost town in a few weeks.That means holding back on any gatekeeping from existing fediverse users, imo.(This assumes people want Mastodon to be a Twitter replacement to begin with... I know many do not, and that's fine too).
(DIR) Post #APJiJNurRF8sJMAbLc by marynmck@mastodon.social
2022-11-06T02:27:58Z
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@stux how will you confirm who they are?
(DIR) Post #APJjaccI8SVUmUGe00 by Apenkoning@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T05:35:30Z
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@stux a separate instance would be very easy to mute or block :) . Famous accounts don't interact they just broadcast. No added value to the network.
(DIR) Post #APJk0WSvcxH5EWEqNE by ntfrnzn@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T05:40:07Z
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@stux it sounds like a real head ache for you over time. And it's a problem that will or can solve itself over time with some self-organization, which I think (I'm new here) is more the style.
(DIR) Post #APJl4j0r1Ew9GBft20 by Jolandapikkaart@mastodon.nl
2022-11-06T05:52:09Z
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@stux Vaak zenden ze alleen maar. Laten we hier in gesprek blijven.
(DIR) Post #APJqTUBnlix4IRQC6y by mrbellek@mastodon.social
2022-11-06T06:52:41Z
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@stux als je maar niet teveel hooi op je vork neemt, volgens mij heb je het al super druk 😄♥️
(DIR) Post #APJqrLx62uZxhPvLfM by nonunsenses@mastodon.nl
2022-11-06T06:56:57Z
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@stux Not sure how famous that would be but I would like a directory with currently verified Twitter users to ensure that I follow the real person here as well.
(DIR) Post #APJsSrMwIllLo0Sav2 by Catharina@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T07:14:59Z
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@stux I'd rather not. I like the equivalence here. Different from Twitter. But I understand why it would be useful.
(DIR) Post #APJtFXSd6nYcFcKknA by laslab@mastodon.social
2022-11-06T07:23:41Z
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@stux think a separate “elite” server is fundamentally wrong. BTW: who is famous enough and who curates that? and if someone sinks into oblivion, is that person going to be removed?
(DIR) Post #APJwDwa32jmPRQjc9Y by CTrevethan@mastodon.social
2022-11-06T07:57:05Z
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@stux just be careful of over taxing yourself. famous doesn’t mean easy, and also just cause I’m a wary person, not everyone loves the same famous person.
(DIR) Post #APJxwj7y0WOqhfWB6m by tommi@social.scambi.org
2022-11-06T08:16:01Z
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@stux I believe the world has enough #elitism. There should be an easier way to find accounts, yes. This does not mean that there need to be accounts that are separated by the others because somehow more important.#TwitterMigration
(DIR) Post #APJyGvvu6gGGD6VjlY by tomasino@tilde.zone
2022-11-06T08:20:03Z
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@stux i was just suggesting this to someone yesterday, not because they need a special place, but because the moderation task is inevitable going to need special care and attention. it's going to be a lot of work wherever they land. at least this way someone is taking it on intentionally.
(DIR) Post #APJz7o2ICL6N4Ai7pA by msh@coales.co
2022-11-06T08:29:33Z
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@stux I think it is a good idea, but PROCEED WITH CAUTION. An instance full of celebs/influencers is gonna be a honeypot for trolls. Keep in mind the experence of journa.host in its first day online.Make sure you have the domain and account blocks in place from your main instance (and maybe more) right from the start. Only let "decent" celebs join and make sure they aren't drama magnets on Twitter or other media.Of course journa.host was clumsily set up by someone who barely understood the fediverse and you are, well, the opposite of that.I just wanna make sure you don't underestimate the task at hand should you decide to try out this idea!
(DIR) Post #APJzC7rwOw3vjfvdtg by SJH@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T08:30:25Z
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@stux I like the idea in principle but it would need to have clear guidelines as to who is to be included, for example you wouldn’t want to give some of the far right/left political voices who have verification on Twitter that create discord and spout vile inhuman rhetoric on polluting the community here. I think it could make things very difficult to manage and moderate.
(DIR) Post #APJzNBrHuP9JIIto7U by chad@mstdn.ca
2022-11-06T08:32:20Z
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@stux I have concerns with this. Mainly that these folks will be at the mercy of instance operators. If an instance decides to suspend the entire server all their voices are diminished.In the spirit of federation I support these folks joining the instance they best align with.
(DIR) Post #APJzsjlDuYWFPv6aEC by cybercow@social.tchncs.de
2022-11-06T08:38:05Z
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@stux Just do it so i can block all that "high socyity" folks all at ones.
(DIR) Post #APK0Dv3N7WCKWQh7J2 by TrechNex@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T08:41:54Z
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@stux given what happened to Wil Wheaton, I like the idea of an instance that people can just mute or block depending on their stance.However, I also think famous people can pay someone to set up an instance for them. Expecting unpaid volunteers to moderate their feed and manage the attention they get seems a bit of a tall order.In practice a static directory could work, but it runs a risk of turning into fedi equivalent of blue tick verification & people will want "notability" criteria.
(DIR) Post #APK0Pc8lGSI7L5n9rU by TrechNex@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T08:44:02Z
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@stux given what happened to Wil Wheaton, I like the idea of an instance that people can just mute or block depending on their stance.However, I also think famous people can pay someone to set up an instance for them. Expecting unpaid volunteers to moderate their feed and manage the attention they get seems a bit of a tall order.A static directory could work, but both ideas run the risk of turning into a fedi equivalent of blue tick verification & people will want "notability" criteria.
(DIR) Post #APK1JCM2K4SlaAVPyi by Grandtheftautism@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-06T08:54:12.374373Z
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@SJH @stux hi I just got here today and I'd like to give you my input on who should be excluded from your instance
(DIR) Post #APK28GsRGdZ0NU102C by Bruce_Ak@mastodon.world
2022-11-06T09:03:16Z
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@stux When such things are hard think forward a month or two. 87 other ‘famous’ servers have launchedMost famous accounts are actually operated by social media assistants repeating Twitter content and rarely have any 2-way conversations2bn minor influencers/ minor Celebs are harassing admins for entry or for someone to be removed or for funThe celebs talk privately while the minor’s radically different boosted views annoy everyoneOther futures may of course be possible
(DIR) Post #APK2aiXA28gIGJcum0 by arjenvantol@mastodon.social
2022-11-06T09:08:19Z
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@stux Yes, go for it. But. Put a price on it to cover your own cost and use the rest to fund the Fediverse. Open book finance (pseudonym for officials by default of course).
(DIR) Post #APK6ZrGeTZ8MsOkauG by badrihippo@fosstodon.org
2022-11-06T09:53:04Z
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@stux I voted "go for it" without thinking much, but reading the conversation made me think again.What do we really want?:unverified: Not a "blue check" class system for sure.🔗 We don't need verification either, because (as @sou pointed out) the "rel=me" links take care of that.🚀 But perhaps we do want to make it easy for celebrities to get online?💰 And like @arjenvantol said it could be a source of funding. 🧵 1/3
(DIR) Post #APKPBdKwW6ojqkv60G by l33tzke@mastodon.social
2022-11-06T13:18:46Z
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@stux creates more hassle than solves anything.With this you basically build a fence and say "whoever is in here is someone important", creating a caste in the fediverse.Also, the very own concept of important is relative... who would be accepted? People over 100k followers on Twitter? Many stupid meme accounts are in this criteria.People who pay some sort of entry fee? That's just Elon's plan, and it's shit.And... who watches the watchmen? Who ensures the criteria is the same for all?
(DIR) Post #APKYJEz9q0BQEIQrho by fogelnet@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T15:03:52Z
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@stux Happy #Sunday Would #Trunk address this 👇🏻https://communitywiki.org/trunk/
(DIR) Post #APKZQXYpH1K3oyA0jg by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2022-11-06T15:16:27.713442Z
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@tommi @stux "He/Him #fedi22"Pick one, you're not gonna have a good time on Fedi if you insist on broadcasting your dickless cuckery.
(DIR) Post #APKbQOvhYzLexcvD0K by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-11-06T15:38:41.199268Z
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@theexplorographer They don't seem to be acclimating well to the environment. They are used to deference and special treatment. That's never been the Fediverse culture.@stux
(DIR) Post #APKbYE9HWxODqC0P0S by fogelnet@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T15:39:59Z
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@stux I have made my opinion known about this idea and have say one more thing about it. I noticed this morning that people I followed on Twitter are starting to appear in my feeds. I think it takes a little bit of time. Folks need to be patient and learn the platform. Do the work. You will eventually find anyone you are looking for. Funny thing for me, some of thees folks I know longer want to follow anyway. ☮️#MyTwoCents #Mastodon #mstdn #Patience
(DIR) Post #APKdbiCQSWK5ooGWG0 by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-11-06T16:03:08.050920Z
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@theexplorographer I do. But you seem to comport yourself reasonably for a new user. You don't walk in expecting to be treated like a special person.The Fediverse made Wil Wheaton retreat in tears years ago. It hasn't changed, and it won't change. Be a normal person and most people are fine. One of the current problems is the influx of new users are largely people who either are accustomed to automatic clout, or came to be ostentatiously obnoxious political people. The Fediverse is a place of outcasts and contrarians. The more people cry "Nazi" the more people who aren't will respond defiantly with Hitler memes to get them to go away. Even people who voted twice for Obama.@stux
(DIR) Post #APL5nN8LP8hefwhkq8 by zleap@qoto.org
2022-11-06T21:19:09Z
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@stux I think given the abuse people such as footballers face (e,.g racism) perhhaps teir own instance would be a good thing it would allow hat instance to have better control over who can send messages to people. So We could say have a instance for Man Utd, and on there could be marcus rashford, then have one for Man u Fans and as they are paid up members of a supporters club (the club know who they are) they would be able to communicate with the players in some way.But other celebs get trolled and it is really affecting their own health and mental health, so I think it is a good idea in principle.
(DIR) Post #APL924X398sVBqxgMy by tommi@social.scambi.org
2022-11-06T21:47:25Z
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@ChristiJunior @stux Why do you need to be so mean? It does not cost much to write what you need to in a polite way. I am silencing you, I am sorry.
(DIR) Post #APL96IleA4EKUzo2Uq by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2022-11-06T21:56:11.903997Z
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@tommi @stux Why do you need to be such a cuck? It does not cost much to write what you need to in a non-faggy way.
(DIR) Post #APL9GBpknOkVtFRTVI by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2022-11-06T21:57:59.561656Z
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@tommi @ChristiJunior @stux Why should we be nice to troon shills who cheerlead the chemical castration of children?
(DIR) Post #APL9XeTtXRlPf4XoI4 by AHU4y5aWnraB3XHz0a.mxtthxw@mxtthxw.art
2022-11-06T21:18:57Z
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@stux famous people are just unfamous people you haven't forgotten about yet.
(DIR) Post #APLBQm1zGmOSxTL40e by futureisfoss@fosstodon.org
2022-11-06T21:26:52Z
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@stuxThe entire point of fediverse is to be decentralized, so having all the 'high profile' accounts on one single instance sounds like a bad idea to me. The more decentralized and spread out the network, the better fediverse will be.
(DIR) Post #APLIrG2r04ztFlJt5s by xty@tech.lgbt
2022-11-06T22:44:55Z
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@stux occurs to me that journalists and might not care to id as “officials”
(DIR) Post #APLJJ52TVwevE7PRUe by xty@tech.lgbt
2022-11-06T22:50:08Z
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@stux naming it anything implying “special” or “status” is self selecting in a way that might get watered down with aspirational nobodies. Pro.social? lit.social (oooh! That’s probably taken 😞) dr.social?
(DIR) Post #APLKbQE3a4Xw6S8Wa8 by skullvalanche@gladtech.social
2022-11-06T22:57:52Z
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@stux I also voted "go for it" and now think that was a rash decision. It will create more problems and headache than it solves. A directory service would be way more helpful.
(DIR) Post #APLL8LhjPc0fdWiXhI by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2022-11-06T23:05:44Z
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@stux Might be better to encourage these people to start their own personal instance.
(DIR) Post #APLSoHiNKpf76XxiRE by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-11-07T01:36:51.262959Z
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@tommi Says the guy with "scam" in his instance name@ChristiJunior @stux
(DIR) Post #APLTbR0pYTtm891yjY by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-11-07T01:45:56.259652Z
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@tommi politeness isn't successful@ChristiJunior @stux
(DIR) Post #APLnLdUFPDshGkXC9A by anka@mstdn.social
2022-11-07T05:26:21Z
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@stux Sounds to me like the “famous” and “high profile” could maybe take care of themselves, especially that server resources are already spread thin. Conserve your energy, friend!
(DIR) Post #APLuaSvLeysMX2EGFE by RadioSilence@mstdn.social
2022-11-07T06:48:08Z
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@stux To me it seems like it would violate the spirit of democracy so many of us newbies are celebrating.
(DIR) Post #APMNHgR26E5PbWRg8W by mfiers@mstdn.social
2022-11-07T12:09:41Z
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@stux it's an interesting question. For example, if one would want to create an online presence for their company - would that also go on this officials server?
(DIR) Post #APOknQbcZ9WInIko8u by suible@mindly.social
2022-11-08T15:34:20Z
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@stux I’ve followed some famous people on Twitter, but mostly strangers who seemed interesting. They are a whole lot more interesting/fun than the famous people.
(DIR) Post #APTFPPQBJS8Au1jrrk by LNevesGoncalves@mastodon.social
2022-11-10T19:44:29Z
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@stux besloten wat je gaat doen?