Post APIQuQb1WzcRIicu4O by Polychrome@poly.cybre.city
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(DIR) Post #API4eomBfGYQfY0264 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2022-11-05T09:43:01Z
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Here’s an idea: let’s call people “people” on the fediverse instead of “users” whenever we can.Compare:“There are 42 users on this instance.”vs“There are 42 people on this instance.”Which acknowledges our humanity more? Language matters. We don’t need to perpetuate mainstream technology’s othering/colonial framing of “us” – designers/developers/other “clever folks” – and “them” – the users (usually one step removed from “dumb user” and usually the ones who get used).#peopleNotUsers
(DIR) Post #API6z6Ni7OX2yFLnxg by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-11-05T10:48:01.348693Z
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@aral idk I would like to have like 400 people on my instance, except 10 of them are bots, and ~50 are spammers, and many were people but now just dead accounts.Users are users. It's a widely accepted and used term.
(DIR) Post #API75bNdmIvoqjPwIq by Flanker@whinge.town
2022-11-05T10:49:30.922114Z
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@aral
(DIR) Post #API7DQkRC0LUBsoUfg by lina@eientei.org
2022-11-05T10:50:56.559444Z
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@aral have you earned the privilege to be called a person online?
(DIR) Post #APIQuQb1WzcRIicu4O by Polychrome@poly.cybre.city
2022-11-05T14:31:36.159130Z
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@aral I might be a complete nerd but for me users always meant "people using a computer".
(DIR) Post #APISw4sPSGCwQUfmgy by viznut@venera.social
2022-11-05T14:52:31Z
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"User" feels a bit like "consumer".
(DIR) Post #APITvJNW9Ubl4EQECG by Flisk@lain.gay
2022-11-05T15:03:12Z
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@aral it doesn't translate that way, though. some people have multiple accounts, some accounts are bots and aren't representing any particular person. the "user" abstraction exists for a reason.
(DIR) Post #APJhOd0WelkGbskw7M by me@the.floof.rocks
2022-11-05T10:24:03Z
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@rick @aral And what if there are 42 cats 🤔
(DIR) Post #APJhOdZyWy6MNpLFNA by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2022-11-05T10:27:57Z
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@me @rick Then, by all means, call them cats :)
(DIR) Post #APJhOe8iRntI7ZazWS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-06T05:01:07Z
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@aralOn the internet no one knows you're a cat ;)@me @rick
(DIR) Post #APJjBQReFhsdn9H5Y8 by MaxGuthier@digitalcourage.social
2022-11-05T10:44:20Z
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@aral I am vociferously opposed to the idea that developers and designers - especially the ones working on Open Source projects - apply the name user as a vehicle for patronization. People who interact with technology are users, them acting in that specific role in that specific context doesn't make them any less peopl-y. The same applies to employees, consumers, etc.Ranting against these context specific terminologies just looks like wilful antagonism.
(DIR) Post #APJjBQnyufkEuPivMO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-06T05:09:57Z
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@MaxGuthierI was going to reply with something similar, and it was fascinating to see the geek historian elsewhere in the thread point out that 'users' came into digital networks from libraries, not generally known as misanthropic projects. I think it's perfectly fine to talk about 'users' in dev discussions where a user isn't necessarily a human at all (could be another piece of software). Having said that, @aral has a point. In many contexts 'people' (or 'fedizens') is a better choice.
(DIR) Post #APJlIvdEtkWQS4Oy2K by idanoo@mastodon.nz
2022-11-06T05:12:56Z
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@strypey @aral @me @rick #notme
(DIR) Post #APJvL2DKOd0azDvP96 by lxo@gnusocial.net
2022-11-06T02:26:15Z
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FWIW, I don't mind the term users. IMHO the negative framing and mindset is part and symptom of the problem of subjugation through technology, and adopting another word will just transfer the framing and mindset to whatever other word we use.but I like the term "people". I've often said "free as in free people" as a means to clarify what I mean when I speak of free software in english.I agree that neither are accurate. we don't know nor care whether a single person AKA user controls multiple profiles, whether they do so on their own behalf or of a corporation, whether they're run by bots, dogs, humans, or corporate persons. but counting profiles or accounts seems a bit dehumanizing to me.how about "identities"?
(DIR) Post #APK1vxDcWyYFvw37yq by MaxGuthier@digitalcourage.social
2022-11-06T08:10:35Z
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@strypey @aral Oh, yes, certainly there is a point. If we talk about the human interactions in the fediverse, certainly we are taking about people. Only if we speak about the adoption and utilization of technology is the term 'user' relevant.One of the many boons of the #fediverse is that the technological client and the digital society are independent from each other.
(DIR) Post #APLqG9NqCYqaJtc704 by dheadshot@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T18:28:24Z
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@aralSome people (me included) have multiple usernames, so is a "user" a person or just an account?
(DIR) Post #APLqG9tOJG5HtkNJB2 by Noided@sleepy.cafe
2022-11-07T05:59:45.725573Z
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@dheadshot @aral tedious.
(DIR) Post #APLr2ZMCw3HCm9wCEi by icscarythings@sleepy.cafe
2022-11-07T06:08:33.012044Z
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@dheadshot @aral what you are referring to as a user is equivalent to exactly one set of 35 (no more no less) chained Calcuttans in the rape dungeons of cum salon. Few know this
(DIR) Post #AhoIHJ9PH5AbXC2tou by janvlug@mastodon.social
2024-05-12T09:02:59Z
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@aral I've always hated 'human resources'.
(DIR) Post #AhoIiXVlzQ2btNUb2G by jan@fedi.kcore.org
2024-05-12T09:07:52Z
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@aral that would lump in a lot of bots with people.Bots are not people. Users, perhaps.
(DIR) Post #AhoMLRPsssby93ymlk by leonid@norden.social
2024-05-12T09:48:35Z
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@aral "resources"
(DIR) Post #AhoOVFOIeKgLeX2f4a by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-05-12T10:12:45Z
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@jan Then design for people and separate out the bots. When you combine the two, the bots don’t get the short end of the stick, people do.
(DIR) Post #AhoOYF4CJN7VW34EYy by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-05-12T10:13:18Z
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@janvlug It’s a horrible term that makes me feel like I need another shower every time I hear it.
(DIR) Post #AhoOwaHr4BfMHO3wqu by jan@fedi.kcore.org
2024-05-12T10:17:44Z
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@aral I'm fairly sure the initial idea is that it was designed for people to use. Unfortunately, bots got added. If not supported directly, people(!) will find a way to add them. So people actually create the problem themselves...
(DIR) Post #AhoZNngQMn53BhAffk by EndlessMason@hachyderm.io
2024-05-12T12:14:38Z
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@aral Will I have to select pictures of bus stops or traffic crossings to be counted among the "people" on an instance?
(DIR) Post #AhodwBYeVVoKtcBgHI by yora@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-05-12T13:05:39Z
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@aral Also, don't call employees in creative jobs talent.It reduces them to a skill they can provide to the company rather than people being part of the company.
(DIR) Post #AhojYzYjYFfOkOY6qW by jasonemiller@c.im
2024-05-12T14:08:43Z
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@aral Setting the 'bot' problem aside, there is another problem with your plea. The word 'people' has a special meaning, implying distinct units. The word 'users' includes the possibility that one person could have multiple accounts. For this reason, it will always be the case that #users>=#people.
(DIR) Post #AhonYnW8iqbzDVUyrQ by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-05-12T14:53:32Z
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@jasonemiller If only there was a word we could use to denote different accounts that a single person might have on a system. I don’t know, maybe something like “account?”
(DIR) Post #Ahp6kqECMtpOEBYz2m by jasonemiller@c.im
2024-05-12T18:28:31Z
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@aral I guess I missed the point of your original post, then.
(DIR) Post #Ahqr8r93OtVJ4UVQnI by onreact@mas.to
2024-05-13T14:43:04Z
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@aral People are the plural of person. A persona is a mask originally. Humans are not "persons". Accounts would be more accurate. As not all accounts are run by people and some people have several etc.
(DIR) Post #AhqsBNTEHoN9rOi1a4 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-05-13T14:54:45Z
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@onreact People is the plural of person? Damn, man, I’m glad we have you around to explain the complicated stuff.