Post APHZOK9eeLJWUBdD2O by martianvenator@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #APClva3ukqk32OlsRM by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-11-02T18:46:30.499420Z
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@SuperLutheran im seeing a huge uptick in normie social media from uppity Catholics bashing Luther. What’s up with that? Naturally tendency of trads wanting to buttress their church’s historic and theological weak spots? Or Satan running wild. This puts it all in perspective for me. Had lulled myself to think Catholics were cool, just sort of Lutherans with a few weird traits, useful allies in the world. But no, once an enemy always an enemy.
(DIR) Post #APCpCfUW7eNCf33PTU by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2022-11-02T21:35:34.722517Z
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@anti-climacus People are getting more desperate for an identity that isn't wrapped up in consumerism. The tradcaths are growing intensely, more than one would expect, because globohomo's response to the cry for identity was more consumerism. It's kind of like how alt right talking points are just now getting big, entering the public consciousness more.Now let's hope this new generation of traddies matures quickly.
(DIR) Post #APCpywP0YBM30gUlv6 by Nou@poa.st
2022-11-02T21:44:18.395211Z
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@anti-climacus @SuperLutheran >Why don't the people I just called enemies and implied are Satanists consider me an allyBiggest of thinks.
(DIR) Post #APCq5fJQUNfE285hc8 by MoralPanic@poa.st
2022-11-02T21:45:31.281762Z
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@SuperLutheran @anti-climacus Identity cannot be devoiced from blood and soil. What do you think?
(DIR) Post #APCquNGdL7XWpuxrl2 by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2022-11-02T21:54:41.006669Z
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@MoralPanic @anti-climacus If that were 100% true then you wouldn't have so many people finding identities outside of it...like the radtrads.Does it always play a part? Yep. But will it be the sine qua non? Not always. To be frank, you're a weirdo if your identity is 100% just your race and hometown.
(DIR) Post #APCt9Gqrfu1jBt8tEm by MoralPanic@poa.st
2022-11-02T22:19:47.287097Z
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@SuperLutheran @anti-climacus has anybody ever told you that you kind of talk past people?
(DIR) Post #APCuiwDZy2yHZlL1mq by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2022-11-02T22:37:25.783751Z
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@MoralPanic @anti-climacus I try not to, but I'm aware and working on it 😞
(DIR) Post #APCuvnhExhGEuYLTAe by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-11-02T22:11:02.865634Z
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@Nou @SuperLutheran No allies wanted or needed. 30 years war wanted and needed
(DIR) Post #APCuvo63TR6u9VxHqi by Nou@poa.st
2022-11-02T22:39:45.635440Z
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@anti-climacus @SuperLutheran That's fine. I just don't get the kvetching then. Granted, I don't think that'd go the way you expect.
(DIR) Post #APCvkxpP3IXN6QYmHI by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-11-02T22:45:42.024057Z
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@Nou @SuperLutheran Probably not. I think we’re pretty out numbered!
(DIR) Post #APCvkyEDZ2O2LOAaxM by Nou@poa.st
2022-11-02T22:49:00.495162Z
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@anti-climacus @SuperLutheran Yeah. Plus, seeing how hard the militaries in Prot and especially Lutheran majority countries are aggressively recruiting troons...Probably wouldn't be pretty.
(DIR) Post #APCvrt8isjtaaZtlS4 by JohnnyHubert@poa.st
2022-11-02T22:50:15.366767Z
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@Nou @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran mormons would beat both your teams handily
(DIR) Post #APCvwdToX3SLT81l8y by MeBigbrain@poa.st
2022-11-02T22:51:06.892092Z
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@anti-climacus @SuperLutheran Martin Luther owned them so hard that they're all still buttmad on a personal level centuries later.
(DIR) Post #APCw4a8woyhHRB3YZ6 by internetfreak@poa.st
2022-11-02T22:52:32.187299Z
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@MeBigbrain @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran Ask a kike his take on when Jesus flipping tables in the Temple... Youll hear kvetching fucking years later from the same kike.Bitches can't let shit go
(DIR) Post #APCw8DHvjoZbiBzPIu by Nou@poa.st
2022-11-02T22:53:12.343519Z
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@JohnnyHubert @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran This is obviously a joke... but I'm not getting it.
(DIR) Post #APCwPMAvwtaoCJtKTo by JohnnyHubert@poa.st
2022-11-02T22:56:18.612172Z
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@Nou @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran it's kind of a /sp/ reference, though if we are just gonna do holy war power rankings, the prots have the american south so don't count them out. The catholics have all the spics, which is hit or miss. Mormons are preppers and gun nuts so they're a dark horse. Islam clearly has won a lot of natties, but another playoff of shia vs sunni will be a snoozer. Orthodox is probably the team to beat this year tbh.
(DIR) Post #APCx2HMNmnVsYao2pk by Nou@poa.st
2022-11-02T23:03:20.585054Z
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@JohnnyHubert @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran >the prots have the american south so don't count them out. The catholics have all the spics, which is hit or missNot quite how that works. US military is not going to split along regional lines. Those spics are way disproportionately represented in the military over Southern prots, especially in recent years. And the commander in chief claims to be a Catholic.
(DIR) Post #APCxOIsqnlXleZUkS0 by JohnnyHubert@poa.st
2022-11-02T23:07:19.429053Z
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@Nou @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran I'm not even saying in uniform, but nah one backwoods country boy is worth several spics. If you're planning to win the natty with mexicans, don't be surprised when they turn out to be lazy and dont want to put in the work. As for POTUS, I'm pretty sure anyone could 1v1 him so thats not even fair. He couldn't even be the back up to the backup. Look at Kennedy, he had military expirence but couldnt even handle a carcano to the dome and thats a goofy bullet, total scrub.
(DIR) Post #APCxejwzw3KiEWGwt6 by Nou@poa.st
2022-11-02T23:10:17.620925Z
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@JohnnyHubert @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran The original request was another 30 years war. Which was state vs state, not this weird anarchic thing you dreamed up.>I'm not even saying in uniform, but nah one backwoods country boy is worth several spicsLmao. Tell me you never served with a backwoods country boy without telling me you never served with a backwoods country boy.
(DIR) Post #APCy5vrzjB7f1EtlAG by JohnnyHubert@poa.st
2022-11-02T23:15:12.532249Z
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@Nou @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran I'm just having fun with it, the religious fighting gets stale if you don't schizo post a bit. Also spics are not people so yeah I'm gonna stand by that. Do you know what the demographics of the infantry are like? Sure you have weird shit mixed in but white protestants from rural areas are the backbone.
(DIR) Post #APCySydtaLvoHKIB5E by Nou@poa.st
2022-11-02T23:19:22.446088Z
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@JohnnyHubert @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran I've seen this claim a lot, usually sourcing numbers that are more than a decade out of date. And to be honest, infantries don't really win wars.But, just looking at actual recent religious demographics of the military, you're way off.
(DIR) Post #APCymxMM455o5icAG8 by JohnnyHubert@poa.st
2022-11-02T23:22:59.101687Z
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@Nou @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran >Infantry doesn't win warsI like you so I'm trying really hard to not dunk on you, but that is just so hideously wrong I don't know what to say. Artillery I could see the argument for, but wars where its not determined by infantry are the exception not the rule. Would you care to have some examples or do you want to gracefully retract this?
(DIR) Post #APCzHgP39uAMTjWiRM by Nou@poa.st
2022-11-02T23:28:32.284794Z
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@JohnnyHubert @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran If I have to choose between a larger more disciplined force, and a smaller less disciplined force, but the latter is the only side with ammo because they have actual logistics, I'm going with the latter. 10 times out of 10.In fact, isn't that the entire southern revisionist narrative of the US Civil War? That their Infantry was so much better trained and wanted it more, but got utterly btfo by the technical and logistical superiority of the north? You can't really have it both ways friend.
(DIR) Post #APCzrClso2ov0D92kC by JohnnyHubert@poa.st
2022-11-02T23:34:57.492084Z
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@Nou @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran So first thing, I'm not arguing the war of northern aggression in particular but if you want to use that as an example, the north won because they just kept putting potatoniggers in uniform and sending them south. They won because they had more infantry, simple as. Logistics matter but I think its kind of a reddit thing to say that it wins wars, plenty of successful forces lived off the land or outran their supply lines and made it work. Logistics are important, but not deterministic. A lot of the time you'll see better equipped forces get mogged for their logistics.Tanks win firefights, indirect fires win battles, infantry wins wars.
(DIR) Post #APD5LJWkkfFCPjFDGq by Nou@poa.st
2022-11-03T00:36:24.042673Z
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@JohnnyHubert @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran Putting aside that very nonstandard revision of the war of Southern arrogance, Rhodesia would have been utterly devastated in the Bush War if what you are saying is true. Hell, every colonial power would have been utterly demolished in Africa.
(DIR) Post #APD9BsoD7WlIl6AVUG by yearsofincense@poa.st
2022-11-03T01:19:32.250603Z
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@anti-climacus @SuperLutheran I can't speak too much for normies. I'd chalk it up to Sunday school programming and red/blue team. But for more Trads...The core claim behind everything that Luther pushed is: the church can temporarily err. You can dismiss Baptists, or Anglicans, or whatever because they don't look like Catholics and have strayed too far. But Luther was a Catholic, he was a theologian, he was a priest, he wanted to keep the church together, he didn't want schism, he wanted to sort things internally, he was critiquing legitimate grievances that the RCC later had to correct. You can be a Lutheran and do just about everything that a modern Catholic wants to do. As a Lutheran can have high mass, and saints, and smells, and bells, and big grand chapels, and old hymns, and feasts and festivals. The reason you're not Lutheran is because of that one claim.So... As a Catholic, especially one who isn't pleased with Francis, Vactican 2, the suppression of the historic Latin mass, or the money stuff, or the gay stuff, or the softening of previously hard lines of doctrine; you have to maintain a strange dissonance. The magisterium is making mistakes AND I'm a Catholic. These things are at the core of their identity and they're mutually incompatible. Luther represents the sword that cuts the Gordian knot. He's the spectre that haunts any conservative in the church. Because he is them. He wanted the same things they did. They're following in his footsteps and his methods. The only way they can exist in this way is to make Luther the exception, to say that he's bad wrong evil heretic etc. He singularly is the problem. Not the idea of reforming the church. Not the failures of the church. Not the magisterium that brutalised him and Jan Huss. No, it was Luther that erred.It's a Jenga tower teetering on a single block. That's the block they defend most zealously. That's the weak spot. And it scares them.
(DIR) Post #APD9icNTETYxM1Gods by JohnnyHubert@poa.st
2022-11-03T01:25:27.307032Z
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@Nou @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran I mean we could get into Lincoln's folly if you want, because on every battlefield of that conflict it was infantry that carried the day. As far as the Bush war, it was a very infantry intensive conflict. And the disparity we mentioned earlier of the numbers of the yanks and the rebs would also show in all african conflicts. High quality infantry and good equipment matter, but they don't have the men to hold the countryside and so they lose. Look at afghanistan, in any of a half dozen wars, they won because of the basic dude with a rifle living off the land
(DIR) Post #APDAOfx4Km4WbMyYZU by Nou@poa.st
2022-11-03T01:33:03.315098Z
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@yearsofincense @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran Lol.
(DIR) Post #APHO3YQnHBItBcXeRU by TinyFern@poa.st
2022-11-05T02:24:57.333068Z
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@anti-climacus @SuperLutheran Reformation day is October 31st so everybody remembered the reformation.
(DIR) Post #APHOVNBWgP3WPnfJdQ by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2022-11-05T02:29:58.651168Z
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@anti-climacus @SuperLutheran >@SuperLutheran im seeing a huge uptick in normie social media from uppity Catholics bashing Luther. When have they not bashed Luther? :jahy_huh:
(DIR) Post #APHOZcBcqiPC6Gjbns by DrRyanSkelton@mugicha.club
2022-11-05T02:30:45.020675Z
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3 Catholics gather and you'll hear 5 hateful opinions on Luther
(DIR) Post #APHOlSTOmykhRwhAPY by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2022-11-05T02:32:53.216502Z
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@DrRyanSkelton @SuperLutheran @SuperSnekFriend @anti-climacus Sharing that one at the next monthly Luther-bashing session.
(DIR) Post #APHP82QzlagXLuL128 by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2022-11-05T02:36:58.241603Z
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@Platinum @DrRyanSkelton @SuperLutheran @SuperSnekFriend @anti-climacus I won't. They won't appreciate it the way my internet friends will.
(DIR) Post #APHPRSSNEzBRYqF7L6 by Nou@poa.st
2022-11-05T02:40:28.767822Z
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@Platinum @BowsacNoodle @DrRyanSkelton @SuperLutheran @SuperSnekFriend @anti-climacus Oops. I just sent it out in the "International Papery" group chat.
(DIR) Post #APHZOK9eeLJWUBdD2O by martianvenator@poa.st
2022-11-05T04:31:57.822245Z
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@yearsofincense @anti-climacus @SuperLutheran >The magisterium is making mistakes AND I'm a Catholic. These things are at the core of their identity and they're mutually incompatible.Not disagreeing with your point so far as it applies to a certain type of internet Tradcath, but this is based on a conflation (in their minds) of the ordinary and extraordinary magisteria. The ordinary magisterium can and does err, just as pope's often prove to be fallible.
(DIR) Post #APIC8wKqp8sqToWWbA by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T11:35:10.390026Z
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The problem with Luther isn’t his fight against a corrupt Church. Tons of saints have done that. His theology was heretical. It doesn’t matter how heroic he might seem if his gospel isn’t the same.
(DIR) Post #APIC8wpKznGo0Mms7M by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2022-11-05T11:46:10.681176Z
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@Maximus @yearsofincense @anti-climacus Please explain how it's heretical then.
(DIR) Post #APICoa480pgbZeYd0K by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T11:48:46.400779Z
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The entire law/gospel distinction is unprecedented in the history of theology and based on a blatant misreading of Romans regarding the Judaizers.
(DIR) Post #APICoaoZEAphtgHiO8 by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2022-11-05T11:53:42.238837Z
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@Maximus @anti-climacus @yearsofincense So Luther is wrong so say no one is justified by the law, that the righteous live by faith, etc? Why's that?
(DIR) Post #APIDZ1tOsuLnCNgj7w by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T11:56:58.202894Z
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It’s just heterodox. No one ever read it that way before. You can’t come onto the scene with novel interpretations or you open Pandora’s Box and anything goes, which it did. That’s why sola scriptura fails.
(DIR) Post #APIDZ2Q0veREpWwlxg by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:02:05.845464Z
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@Maximus @anti-climacus @yearsofincense Lol all I did was regurgitate most of Galatians 3:11" it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”If you disagree with the Law not justifying and the righteous living by faith, take it up with St. Paul, you heterodox
(DIR) Post #APIE7fcJhEzOFQDPiS by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T12:05:30.657407Z
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You didn’t cite any scripture before this post, and it doesn’t address the problem at all 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #APIE7g3y2R6hdB9Uoa by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:08:21.341863Z
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@Maximus @anti-climacus @yearsofincense You said that Law+Gospel is heresy, I spoke from a verse that plainly supports Law and Gospel. Luther just agreed with the verse.So please, explain to me how Law actually does justify or how the righteousness don't live by faith.
(DIR) Post #APIEMzF70itvSYfIRM by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T12:09:15.283140Z
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Your gotcha failed. It doesn’t mean what you think it means.
(DIR) Post #APIEMzhTJHaOsVvwe0 by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:11:07.583638Z
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@Maximus @anti-climacus @yearsofincense Oh really? Then interpret the verse for me, show me how it doesn't mean what it says, please
(DIR) Post #APIEkDQESTQ262wVhA by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T12:13:00.063725Z
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It’s an argument that’s been going on for 500 years and tbh I’m not interested in hellthreading over it here.
(DIR) Post #APIEkDmv67ZDEPYd3g by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:15:19.475596Z
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@Maximus @anti-climacus @yearsofincense Then why would you claim that Law+Gospel is heresy, Sola Scriptura fails, say I'm misreading Galatians, etc. - if indeed you didn't want to argue about it?
(DIR) Post #APIF3TGFnEtIirSOuW by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T12:17:30.986886Z
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Because someone commented on something and I was responding with the Catholic perspective before you started sperging.
(DIR) Post #APIF3TcaSCktq7uEim by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:18:48.294221Z
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@Maximus @anti-climacus @yearsofincense You replied to a comment from 2 days ago lol, cone on dude
(DIR) Post #APIFIzDLH6AKAPUevo by Shadowbroker2135@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:21:36.675628Z
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@SuperLutheran @Maximus @anti-climacus @yearsofincense He wanted to be the last reply in the thread
(DIR) Post #APIG6PoVASSsqwRbF2 by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:24:59.417741Z
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@Maximus @SuperLutheran @yearsofincense I guess my bottom line question for RCs is how do you know, or can you know, that you will enter in everlasting life (ie heaven with Christ and the saints). I really don’t know the answer to what official RC teaching is on that.-
(DIR) Post #APIG6QIzL6qqNUhwlE by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T12:26:07.189359Z
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A simple answer, from someone who is not a priest: You know if you’re living a godly life or not.
(DIR) Post #APIG6QoBT7nxwFIrNw by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:29:31.128391Z
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@Maximus @SuperLutheran @yearsofincense Thanks. I’m sunk then. I’ve been hateful to RCs, prideful at work, a cute gal who is not my wife got a few seconds more of a glance from me than was necessary. And that’s just in the last 9 hours. Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me a sinner!
(DIR) Post #APIGJBcVFZSYb4vCUq by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:32:51.048136Z
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@anti-climacus @Maximus @yearsofincense The humility is a mark of maturity, I appreciate your honesty brother
(DIR) Post #APIKMXkpoLrdvmfu5I by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-11-05T13:18:15.778858Z
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You don’t know. Only God knows this.You do the best you can, try to honestly recognize your failures, confess then with a contrite heart, and pray for God’s grace to do better.Most of us think very, very few people are going directly to Heaven. Catholics believe in Purgatory, which is something like a waypost on the way to Heaven (oh man, this is going to get me into a Patrick’s Bad Analogies trap, I’m the worst Patrick), where souls who loved God but are not yet free of sin are slowly purged of their vices and wrongs until they are pure enough to enter Heaven and experience the Beatific vision.Our scriptural support for this concept is 2 Maccabees 12:41-46, 2 Timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, Luke 23:43, 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 and Hebrews 12:29. This is probably our biggest disagreement with Lutherans who confess salvation by grace alone (Ephesians 2:4-9). Many of the early Church fathers also mentioned such an interim state.Purgatory led to a lot of corruption by Luther’s time, and he was rightly furious about corrupt clergy selling indulgences. God’s grace is free. Anyone can obtain an indulgence for the departed in purgatory by attending All Hallow’s Mass, confessing his sins, taking communion, and visiting a cemetery during the octave of Hallows Mass to clean graves and pray for the dead.We pray for the souls of the dead that they can finish whatever needs to be done in the interim state of Purgatory and be welcomed into Heaven by God as soon as possible.
(DIR) Post #APIMXYo8R3PEI7bEum by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:08:01.224852Z
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@Maximus @SuperLutheran @yearsofincense Honest question…one thing I don’t understand about RC view of Holy Tradition, what things are actually qualified as such. Like does the Vatican say, this writing is cannon, for lack of a better term, or is everything said or written tradition? The reason is I saw some caths criticizing the pope and I didn’t know you could do that
(DIR) Post #APIMXZMWNCua0lghVo by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T12:12:19.603618Z
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It’s not Mormonism, the Bishop of Rome is not a prophet. Tradition simply is the Faith that is taught by the Church throughout history. The Bishop of Rome is just a single point to define schism by, there has to be one or you’ll end up with multiple churches like in the East, and the high Papal titles are a logical outworking of that.
(DIR) Post #APIMXZjYzXLLAET6Qa by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:19:00.175585Z
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@Maximus @SuperLutheran @yearsofincense Thanks. That makes more sense given some of the things I’ve heard current holy father say.
(DIR) Post #APIMXa6xaY3gKnPmtc by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:08:50.396283Z
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@Maximus @SuperLutheran @yearsofincense Also I’m sorry to you RCs when I called you my enemy. I can be a hot head sometimes
(DIR) Post #APIMXa95SdlAROPUDA by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T12:24:30.830481Z
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No one likes Francis if that’s your concern.
(DIR) Post #APIMXaTIFVvHS3rchs by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:34:11.998395Z
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@Maximus @SuperLutheran @yearsofincense No I’ve picked that up. It seemed like Benedict was a lot better. Someday, I’d like to understand better what all went down there.
(DIR) Post #APIMXarOntCmep8sHQ by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T12:35:51.270363Z
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Benedict tried to investigate the Vatican bank, someone didn’t like that, he resigned a couple weeks later. That’s what happened to him lolThe Church has been infiltrated by many bad actors, unfortunately.
(DIR) Post #APIMXbXaH2wulesZ28 by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:38:18.350971Z
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@Maximus @SuperLutheran @yearsofincense Yours too? Thanks for this. Probably the jesuits I understand.
(DIR) Post #APIMXbxSipeK3uzEMy by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T12:42:54.039464Z
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They’re among the worst but not exclusively.
(DIR) Post #APIMXcMHEZUzIsb332 by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-11-05T12:55:42.014083Z
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@Maximus @SuperLutheran @yearsofincense Super, one last thing on all this….I think RCs sometimes get the impression that all prots are the same. We all made a “decision” at church camp and then live as we please. Actually prolly a good characteristic of a lot of us….including me for most of my life. I’ve always been impressed by serious RCs in how they apply the spiritual to everyday life and practice their faith. That is why your confessional piety focus is so crucial. We (Lutherans) do need a reformation. And you are our Reformer. Sorry if this sounds too fan boy.
(DIR) Post #APIMcwISWyWcabLeue by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2022-11-05T13:43:38.990816Z
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@anti-climacus @Maximus @yearsofincense PIETISM GANG RISE UP!I certainly aspire to be a part of reforms, please pray that I will be God's instrument for it!
(DIR) Post #APIMxsK6V15cLa6IgS by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-11-05T13:39:42.403407Z
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@istvan @Maximus @SuperLutheran @yearsofincense Thanks. Another dumb question, I’ve had purgatory described to me different ways….in some it sounds like a sort of hell, pain and suffering etc. other times people have used softer terms like a separation from a loved one…a longing. Is there an official RC position on this?
(DIR) Post #APIMxsr4WRSdzpWd4S by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T13:43:40.406290Z
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The popular conception hasn’t been consistent across time and place, but most Fathers who address the issue do seem to think there is a trial in between here and Heaven. The Church allows for a diversity of views on the issue for now.
(DIR) Post #APIN9eoqX7QxwK69x2 by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T13:44:34.602632Z
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>Pietism. Smh not even one of the cool scholastic Lutherans.
(DIR) Post #APIN9fOIPJn3iGgTCq by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2022-11-05T13:49:33.731943Z
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@Maximus @anti-climacus @yearsofincense LMAOOOOO those nerdy guys. They've ruled the roost for 200 years and we're all the worse for it, no matter how correct so many of them are on theology.
(DIR) Post #APINWqqfyRKduQ0vRo by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-11-05T13:53:44.597525Z
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I have heard many analogies over the years, but I am unaware of any specific teaching on what purgatory is. I believe some of the Saints claim to have had visions of purgatory. We are not obliged to believe these visions.I believe everyone’s purgatory is probably different and designed to teach them what they need to know to be fully prepared for Heaven.
(DIR) Post #APIUDn52SYlAOmaeUy by darniil@chudbuds.lol
2022-11-05T14:53:59.378138Z
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If you want to be utterly Boolean about it, since Purgatory isn't Heaven, it is Hell. But it isn't a permanent Hell. All souls in Purgatory will eventually end up in Heaven (some sooner, some later). Our Lady even mentioned one soul who would be in Purgatory until the end of the world.Other points of note that have been mentioned by others: the least pain in Purgatory that can be felt by one of the Poor Souls is greater than the greatest pain that can be felt here on Earth by a living person. Conversely, the attempts made by the living to atone are of greater merit than the same attempts made by a soul in Purgatory.
(DIR) Post #APIUDnd4Q1yw6KVpXk by istvan@bozgor.org
2022-11-05T15:08:43.793404Z
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If you want to go “utterly Boolean” then Purgatory would be Heaven.There is by definition no escape from Hell. It is a permanent state of eternal damnation.The Council of Trent held the damned are eternally deprived of the beatific vision with no consolations or escape from the pain of hellfire.Vatican II held one enters the permanent state of Hell by a “willful turning away from God” (mortal sin) and persistence in this sin until death.If you made it to Purgatory, you are going to get to Heaven eventually: even if it takes you until the end of time. Therefore it must land on the other side of your binary.But I don’t see the point of forcing incomprehensible of a soul’s distance and progress into Boolean logic.This is like saying I must be in Detroit or Edmonton, and if I am not surrounded by Basketball Americans then I must by definition be in Edmonton, and no other place on our flat earth matters. Saskatoon is Edmonton: Kalamazoo is Detroit.