Post APClUDU8aUOFCIzMDA by kallisti@refusal.biz
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(DIR) Post #APCgeooAB1bC4sajjc by cel@skinnyver.se
2022-11-02T19:59:37.934771Z
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literally going to add AGI to my words filter
(DIR) Post #APCgkFc5wVBWf2XMDA by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:00:47.705365Z
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@cel artifical intelligencels seething over uhhhh idk chads
(DIR) Post #APCgmVC2zJXDYnQX32 by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T20:01:11.441174Z
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@cel there is no escape :xf_thiccdan:
(DIR) Post #APCguMagr7c7CFhaZU by cel@skinnyver.se
2022-11-02T20:01:09.405432Z
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@kallisti I'm literally going to become a primitivism at this rate
(DIR) Post #APCguN7esXz8qV7uxU by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:02:36.340386Z
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@cel THAT SMY ROLE IN THE POLITICAL PODCAST
(DIR) Post #APCh8Nl1JbDmrwDbou by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:05:08.818374Z
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@Arcana @cel its me and cel soery
(DIR) Post #APCjeVs8sabZDBzyqG by cel@skinnyver.se
2022-11-02T20:33:10.070018Z
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@kallisti what's mine then? librarist?
(DIR) Post #APCjeWJnDmisaww3wO by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:33:21.527106Z
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@cel idk but im the maoprim
(DIR) Post #APCjiMNa7FAWvcXRtA by cel@skinnyver.se
2022-11-02T20:33:49.406253Z
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@kallisti i'm just the skeptic (lol)
(DIR) Post #APCjmlZOOrpQDJAEhU by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T20:34:11.750409Z
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@kallisti @cel maoprim - that is legitimately the most disgusting ideology i have ever heard. congratulations on creating it
(DIR) Post #APCjmlyYtHxfTMwKvo by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:34:50.306322Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel someone misinformed me that ted k was a maoist so im riding that wave
(DIR) Post #APCjt7IKXaHvKUDAo4 by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T20:35:27.540844Z
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@kallisti @cel he was just a humanist primmie dumbass. and an egg who got violent instead of taking estradiol
(DIR) Post #APCjt7dFHp1CNLzsPI by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:36:00.232958Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel ted k isn't a humanist primmie. zerzan is
(DIR) Post #APCk547eA320xvubWy by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:38:09.438308Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel u will literally not believe how humanist zerzan is. it literally drove me into a rage to the point where i almost started writing my own branch of primitivist theory to show him up
(DIR) Post #APCk6pT1cTtk5nkiUC by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:38:29.348704Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel he's that bad
(DIR) Post #APCk8AfIIA1s7t8BdI by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:38:43.799428Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel that the best place to critique him is from his own views
(DIR) Post #APCkG6Nw5YTxAWnGsq by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:40:09.633619Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel im not even a primmie
(DIR) Post #APCkKnnsbN8qzGAbDs by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T20:40:15.627246Z
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@kallisti @cel oof.the most fascinating thing about that system of thought is that it is by an OBJECTIVE measure the most genocidal ideology ever devised. it longs for an ecological catastrophe that will plunge the vast majority of humans on earth into a violent apocalyptic death spiral, all so it can convince itself it can return to a benevolent nature (that has never existed) and sustain itself in a pre-fall state.
(DIR) Post #APCkKoFAxsyaLuwOll by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:41:00.245377Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel i dont think they view it that way, i think they view it as inevitable
(DIR) Post #APCkLp2xStdX8Gi1yK by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:41:11.968714Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel marxism style
(DIR) Post #APCkSBExrXLfhbMBO4 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:42:20.600017Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel zerzan, among others, made a point of an eschatology - he highlighted how his ideal primitives lived in the prosperous post-collapse of empires
(DIR) Post #APCkbOnmoHTsMx2YRE by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:44:00.127438Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel you can also see this strain of thought in the '5 common objections to primitivism' which is the idea that no, we arent going to enact the plan / take the action, but we believe the action that leads us there is inevitable
(DIR) Post #APCkh2XwT6lr5AJqKm by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T20:43:52.265482Z
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@kallisti @cel the thing is, they clearly do desire it. even when they say they don't, you can see the desire for that cleansing violence emerging again and again. the moids involved often indulge in fantasies of their restored power in such a scenario that are as awful as any fascist survivalist
(DIR) Post #APCkh33qYUI8g7FK40 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:45:00.958140Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel sure, yea, but its interesting to note the theoretical roots that highlight the 'returnist' viewpoints. id stry away from calling it fascist
(DIR) Post #APCkjMD0KraKdvd9gu by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T20:44:52.382690Z
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@kallisti @cel marxism is just as retarded yes
(DIR) Post #APCkjMb6tErpqguPGS by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:45:26.754256Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel yes, im highlighting this
(DIR) Post #APCkt2LF3WgRvE6Cpc by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:47:11.399670Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel most primitivists ive read have strong anarchist basis, but there is a scary amount of fascists. luckily theyre not in the anlib :)
(DIR) Post #APClCrXouPzmE8R6Z6 by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T20:47:24.444729Z
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@kallisti @cel there are differences between it and fascism definitely... it still imo desires a restoration of a collectivity. although the american strains are more individualistic. it's complex.i think the person who lays out the fantasy behind it best was Michael Ruppertt, who was clearly bipolar and insane. His videos show pure doomerist madness. It was a big grift for him, poor guy.
(DIR) Post #APClCrsNfyRTFu3Wc4 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:50:46.168503Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel idk i see a lot of post civ anti civ prim people etc who dont fall into the Dream. but they dont call themselves prim
(DIR) Post #APClH94xeqxnleyoVs by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T20:50:03.743413Z
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@kallisti @cel i see a lot of anarchists who are like: "all violence is perpetuated by the state, once we break away and become our own non-state, because it can't possibly emerge from within our pure souls, we won't be violent, but also, all violence we commit will then be justified" - i've seen this logic in them time & time again.they come closest to my way of thinking.they also spent a lot of the 20th century predicting in advance how much of a disaster communism would be. and the commies murdered them ofc.i see far too many trans women anarchists that are just commies in denial.im too pessimistic for anarchism. i dont trust the anarchists either! the demon that is the state lurks in their unconscious, in ALL of us because we're humans.its a shame i think this way cos they prob wont let me run away and join them. i'd take my chances with them if i could
(DIR) Post #APClH9QENlyepcvnfM by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:51:33.312092Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel you accuse them of being humanists but you're being a christian> the demon that is the state lurks in their unconscious, in ALL of us because we're humans.
(DIR) Post #APClUD3YBL7frqY7lo by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T20:51:26.724139Z
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@kallisti @cel im always interested in reading them if u wanna share
(DIR) Post #APClUDU8aUOFCIzMDA by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:53:54.274361Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel i enjot ziq's critique of industrialist communism and how it remanifests into state/oppressive structures. there is an element of the dream primitivism from here but ziq, from what ilve seen, is exceedingly reasonablehttps://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ziq-burn-the-bread-book-make-anarchy
(DIR) Post #APClWgFYbydYzOLNE8 by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T20:51:57.296709Z
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@kallisti @cel im being darwinian
(DIR) Post #APClWge192CeDFmuLw by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:54:21.575326Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel i didnt know darwin was an augustinian
(DIR) Post #APClijLkuaRw4vzN68 by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T20:54:53.702419Z
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@kallisti @cel the funny thing is atm i can barely stand being indoors and am making survival backpacks and fantasizing about living in the woods every single fucking day
(DIR) Post #APClilUKxeVCi81Fke by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:56:31.806531Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel i am different, but similar. i seek the destruction of cities. i wish to live off the back of my bike
(DIR) Post #APClnOCAzVVPuujIn2 by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T20:55:43.821294Z
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@kallisti @cel if u understood the backround i come from u would understand how fundamentalist christianity has warped me so the best i can do is upgrade the doom into darwins horrid doubt on a bad trip in a deep depression
(DIR) Post #APClnOhj6Ck7UlUUy0 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:57:22.953036Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel thats fair yea. i cant claim to ubderstand your background, im not you. im not a rationalist or a christian, though
(DIR) Post #APCltOI3YFFFwsLFbM by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:58:27.535902Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel i'd also reccomend 'the disgust of daily life', which was a text that was very profound and moving to me. it was what i expected Desert to be, given how it was described
(DIR) Post #APClxf1ZHCVx0TfKC0 by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T20:57:34.724295Z
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@kallisti @cel i dont want to destroy the cities though because i think obviously industrial civ and consumerism are the best things we have.i just hate working and am shit at it and cant deal with other humans and want to live in the forest with a kindle and a solar charger and still get the dole and be left tf alone!life is hell
(DIR) Post #APClxfObtWwi9wRj6m by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T20:59:13.868846Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel > dont want to destroy the cities though because i think obviously industrial civ and consumerism are the best things we have.sorry im bad at interpreting sarcasm over text
(DIR) Post #APCm5xrR7tPjkBt0Ou by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:00:43.497465Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel i dont want to be alone. im an individualist, i think. i want to speak with the world and see the joys of the world
(DIR) Post #APCm9nz7mqymGxJVQW by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:01:22.849383Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel i want to taste as much food, drink as much drink as i can
(DIR) Post #APCmNcyjVMseBuinIW by cel@skinnyver.se
2022-11-02T21:01:21.396586Z
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@kallisti @Kali_Kalvall why destroy cities? cities can be great. not all of us are suited to rurality (me unfortunately)
(DIR) Post #APCmNdMq3kA9Og02s4 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:03:55.406884Z
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@cel @Kali_Kalvall i view the modern city (what you think of when you say city, not obscure old example) as an oppressive structure / tool. the modern city iiiiiiis. scary. it cant sustain itself, by design. it will fail and kill everything around it more than it has if not properly maintained. every portion of it haa to be working for it to be working
(DIR) Post #APCmPRf8Y5LdfrQEwS by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T21:02:05.448428Z
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@cel @kallisti i agree.only idiots want to destroy such things.there are a lot of idiots in the world sadly
(DIR) Post #APCmSLfjHGm5xp5Fr6 by cel@skinnyver.se
2022-11-02T21:02:31.896939Z
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@kallisti @Kali_Kalvall they're also great places that are perfect for cultural/social mixing and creativity etc
(DIR) Post #APCmSM3Tqxm19UCDsO by cel@skinnyver.se
2022-11-02T21:03:36.362179Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @kallisti for me the issues with cities are usually more a political, economic, and inequality problem
(DIR) Post #APCmSMYfyyj8iEn8V6 by cel@skinnyver.se
2022-11-02T21:04:08.997762Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @kallisti these can all be solved, and have been solved in the past
(DIR) Post #APCmSMv0dwajpVEyJM by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:04:45.072101Z
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@cel @Kali_Kalvall yea, in the past, with past cities, not the parasitic metropolises we have today
(DIR) Post #APCmVUSh3PDG5rU66q by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:05:21.127008Z
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@cel @Kali_Kalvall our entire attitude to technology and the world is trying to seperate our world from 'the world'. we dont use whats already there for us
(DIR) Post #APCmY7Dlv182smkyyu by Kali_Kalvall@social.xenofem.me
2022-11-02T21:04:45.542352Z
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@kallisti @cel all places are like this in their own horrible ways
(DIR) Post #APCmY7iG5fW0PL1KV6 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:05:49.242825Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel if its in their own ways theyre not like this, theyre like something else
(DIR) Post #APCmfi49KSI9BKsRsG by cel@skinnyver.se
2022-11-02T21:05:05.819860Z
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@kallisti @Kali_Kalvall it sounds like you're just an anti-industrialist, not anti-cities. in this case i would agree
(DIR) Post #APCmfioaXnRFVMbXG4 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:07:10.295187Z
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@cel @Kali_Kalvall when people say cities they mean modern cities. i would love to see a city that wasnt a master, a god
(DIR) Post #APCmfjyCFYib5S6isC by cel@skinnyver.se
2022-11-02T21:06:02.207340Z
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@kallisti @Kali_Kalvall well, to clarify imo consumerism and overproduction as a by-product of capitalism is the core issue
(DIR) Post #APCmgwQ5RmztzNj2cS by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:07:25.290365Z
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@cel @Kali_Kalvall theres other aspects to cities here
(DIR) Post #APCmku3ECCshnivG8u by cel@skinnyver.se
2022-11-02T21:07:08.604351Z
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@kallisti @Kali_Kalvall on parasitism this is more re: hyperconsumerism and overproduction as i said
(DIR) Post #APCmkuUAa2Qr9HWm8W by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:08:08.073563Z
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@cel @Kali_Kalvall how is hyperconsumerism responsible for asphalt roads and gas pipelines
(DIR) Post #APCmmtLDo1MKB9HrlY by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:08:29.969862Z
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@cel @Kali_Kalvall you need more tools of analysis
(DIR) Post #APCn9hIyipjrVf72a8 by cel@skinnyver.se
2022-11-02T21:10:59.607121Z
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@kallisti @Kali_Kalvall most power usage is commercial not residential, this can be fixed. also, the roads and infrastructure are already mostly there, we can extend it with better things if need be (which there is no need, if you realised how much wealth is wasted in cities to maintain supply/demand, like a ridiculous amount of housing just being unoccupied/an asset)
(DIR) Post #APCn9hridfWnFPMmjQ by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:12:36.286835Z
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@cel @Kali_Kalvall p,,, power lines i not my point
(DIR) Post #APCnFlHYqe19a9LDZg by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:13:42.587590Z
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@cel @Kali_Kalvall im saying that the roads are there and the roads demand maintenance the gaslines demand maintenance the sewage system demands maintenance the electricity system demands maintenance all these demand maintenance and all these are essential to living in the city and all these are difficult to impossible to _replace_ and all of them are fundamentally flawed
(DIR) Post #APCnd1yewTIs1Oazx2 by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:17:54.759449Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel all modern sewer systems are designed in such horrible ways asphalt roads degrade so quickly and demand so much to maintain them. do you tear them out. no thats too much effort. do you replace the sewage system no thats too much effort etc etc etc theyre all the essential vital organs of a living being of which you are mere cells
(DIR) Post #APCneeMXiDpHMQXU3s by Hydrated@sneed.social
2022-11-02T21:17:46.573790Z
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@kallisti @cel @Kali_Kalvall
(DIR) Post #APCneekeGb6mZBojdQ by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:18:12.412661Z
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@Hydrated @cel @Kali_Kalvall kill yourself
(DIR) Post #APCnpMvEta7KSJsZKS by kallisti@refusal.biz
2022-11-02T21:20:08.687507Z
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@Kali_Kalvall @cel its less effort to keep the city alive in its horrible perverted way than it is to retrofit it into something better for the world, better for the world around it,something that works with the world