Post AP8dmjUOl76zP5aafo by moomin@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #AP8ZyCNsJFckqtvrIe by Samuel-Aliren@poa.st
2022-10-31T20:17:50.029899Z
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Saint Ignatius defeating Martin luther
(DIR) Post #AP8ZyCuqKfzmV9MBge by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-10-31T20:26:02.339427Z
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@Samuel-Aliren Reminds me of the Orthodox icon of St. Mark Eugenikos of Ephesus and a defeated pope
(DIR) Post #AP8aayAB7H5C2a0ri4 by Samuel-Aliren@poa.st
2022-10-31T20:31:18.125529Z
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@Ottovonshitpost Cringe
(DIR) Post #AP8aazFB6AfzONMN8q by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-10-31T20:33:02.897589Z
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@Samuel-Aliren "Haha I have owned Martin Luther and Lutherans with a pic of this statue""NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THE SAME THING TO A POPE AAAAAAA"
(DIR) Post #AP8beeGh7vo3RyNZCa by moomin@poa.st
2022-10-31T20:44:55.245029Z
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@Samuel-Aliren Martin Luther is an interesting guy. He was actually fascinated with Paganism and helped protect a number of Germanic Pagan sites and artifacts from catholic destruction. If you read his journals he even had his future told by Pagan seers for his one child's birth. He was very interested in Pagan Astrology. I would even go as far as to say that Martin Luthers antisemitism is wholly influenced by Pagan Germanic sentiment of which he was very well read on if your read his notes and journals. He was very interested in researching what actually belonged to the Germanic people, and saw the Catholics as a foreign force intent on destroying German people and Ancient German customs. I would even go as far as to say Protestantism is a Pagan rebellion against the hundreds of years of control of the Pope and the humiliation they tried to put the German people through. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_to_Canossa
(DIR) Post #AP8bsE913FxwTzGK8G by CatLord@poa.st
2022-10-31T20:47:22.576563Z
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@moomin @Samuel-Aliren Interesting read but He basically created biblical literalism, which is much more foreign than anything Catholic.
(DIR) Post #AP8dmjUOl76zP5aafo by moomin@poa.st
2022-10-31T21:08:47.480876Z
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@CatLord @Samuel-Aliren Can you expand on literalism vs catholic interpretation? I'll admit I don't know much about the subject. Also its the first I've ever heard of a statue depicting the defeat Luther. As a catholic do you see Luther as a cause of deeper jewish involvement in Europe with a weakening of the church, as a result of the protestant wars? Also what is your take on the 30 years war (real ww1) and the collapse of the feudal system from the catholic pov? obviously I don't agree with these takes, but I would like to understand your position. I only really know the protestant position to be honest.
(DIR) Post #AP8elS4M8mNT2bMSIK by CatLord@poa.st
2022-10-31T21:19:45.790608Z
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@moomin @Samuel-Aliren I'm not a Catholic dude lol. I'm like an agnostic deist. I prefer Catholicism over Protestantism because the Europeanisation of the foreign stuff in the religion is represented in Catholicism. All of the wonderful Christian art and veneration of saints was Catholic. Strict biblical literalism is just the removal of the European or Pagan element from Christianity. Christian religious iconoclasm is fucking gay, although Luther himself tried to limit it. At least Islam has that cool abstract art from their refusal to depict icons. Not to say that Martin Luther's critique of the church was wrong or anything. I don't really know about that.The 30 years war was fucking awful and why I really dislike zealots, who, in our circles, are almost always Christian. It wasn't entirely a religious conflict though, of course.
(DIR) Post #AP8emtgMxefOyGpZOy by moomin@poa.st
2022-10-31T21:20:01.697656Z
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@Samuel-Aliren There are definitely some contradictions from both sides in all of this as the Goths who invaded Rome were the ones who started the Catholic church in its modern form. The Holy Roman Emperor was German(Frank). Many of the most influential people in the catholic church were German. The catholic universities were all staffed by German scholars. Lombard's are German. There is definitely something strange about the perceived history of it all that tells me something is hidden. From Barbarossa to Charlemagne there is something very strange with it all that I don't trust the official narratives on.Also, the name Guido is actually German. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido
(DIR) Post #AP8gKEW8cNhB6GVMbg by moomin@poa.st
2022-10-31T21:37:13.977110Z
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@CatLord @Samuel-Aliren Interesting opinions. I suspect the removal of the iconoclasm was a purposeful reset to remove Pagan imagery. My schizo take on it all is that the cathedrals and churches were all Pagan and just came under new management and they just changed a few signs. If you look on many ancient European churches, the stations of the cross often have depictions of Pagan Gods alongside the newer depictions. I have another schizo theory in that the large amount of stained glass that was replaced for some reason in cathedrals at some point all over Europe (I forget the date) was to remove Pagan depictions in cathedrals and churches. do I have proof? no but I can guess. its interpretatio christiana. there is even hints at this when the christianization happened that they not destroy the Pagan temples and shrines initially but integrate them. For eg. Mother Maria is actually a Water Goddess of the sea called Mare in Pagan tradition. also some weird things going on with the Cistercians, specifically their veneration of water as a healing method and building with specifically this in mind. Essentially Pagan Holy Wells, the origin of the baptismal font. Also more strange things with the Cathars. I suspect they were actually Pagan. Look into the Albigensian crusade and the Northern Crusades. Also are you familiar with Fomenko and New Chronology?en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretatio_Christianaen.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusadeen.wikipedia.org//wiki/Cisterciansen.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusadesen.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_chronology_(Fomenko)
(DIR) Post #AP8h43FMqzLxSxVaOe by CatLord@poa.st
2022-10-31T21:45:32.294788Z
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@moomin @Samuel-Aliren I don't think the Fomenko thing is right at all. My gut just tells me it's bullshit. Aside from that I don't have much to say because I'm unfamiliar with much of this other than the basics of Christian integration of components of the native faiths.
(DIR) Post #AP8hgN5xVTbY1pNcbQ by WaughheadRex@cawfee.club
2022-10-31T21:52:16.750524Z
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@moomin @CatLord @Samuel-Alirenvedveer arya's corrected chronology is better than fomenko's.https://independent.academia.edu/VedveerArya
(DIR) Post #AP8iJ4pHMeIgf62Bo8 by moomin@poa.st
2022-10-31T21:59:27.522732Z
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@CatLord @Samuel-Aliren fomenko is definitely a Eurasian centric dugin delegitimization program to demoralize Western identity, but the idea of phantom time itself might very well be possible. The Justinian shift albeit a few days definitely happened. There could have been others. I think there is a vast amount of contradictions that we are sweeping under the rug. take even the fact that every single book we have is a copy of a copy that date to no older than 1000AD. Anything could have been omitted or altered. And if you ask Deschner, he wrote extensively on how it was. All the physical artifacts we have , have contexts assigned to them by Edward Gibbon. If you ask ancient Christian opinion, it differs from Gibbon. If you ask ancient Pagan opinion it differs from Gibbon. So if this is the case then only scientists, jews and atheists believe Gibbon's context. Something is amiss. I can only guess at what, but we are not told the full story at all.