Post AOGmZu2aBHdIFGdPua by Hyolobrika@gleasonator.com
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(DIR) Post #AOGkBCp1140nLWNuLY by thor@berserker.town
2022-10-05T21:02:29Z
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i think the very idea of "phone number" is going to be obsolete very soon.most young people nowadays are not using the phone network to communicate. why the hell would they care about phone numbers?
(DIR) Post #AOGllbcYOK9QdcTbSC by jakob_thoboell@kirche.social
2022-10-05T21:07:58Z
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@thor well, I think, not before everyone has a place in federated messengers and social medias. For now, classical phonecall is the only free and independent communication type, every phone owner uses for sure. And the only proof of identity, that is well known
(DIR) Post #AOGllcQBPnql7XhEoK by thor@berserker.town
2022-10-05T21:09:07Z
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@jakob_thoboell on what planet is a system that relies on privileged carriers and ridiculous "you pay per minute" "free"?
(DIR) Post #AOGllcwnSXwCkgxHe4 by jakob_thoboell@kirche.social
2022-10-05T21:11:19Z
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@thor Free in the meaning of not forced to have an account at the same company and server, like whatsapp, Signal and so on. Since these are not interoperable, the classic phonecall is the only possibility to connect you without worrying about which provider the opposit is using. I think we won't get rid of the priority of phone numbers for ID and communication, until free and federated messengers dominate over WA, TG and so on.
(DIR) Post #AOGlldVBOhRYTL2kF6 by thor@berserker.town
2022-10-05T21:13:39Z
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@jakob_thoboell let me tell you about phone carriers...
(DIR) Post #AOGlldxBiZqRsC96tU by jakob_thoboell@kirche.social
2022-10-05T21:14:13Z
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@thor I know, most of them will not soon change to free messengers...
(DIR) Post #AOGlleM0EJh779kvZY by thor@berserker.town
2022-10-05T21:15:20Z
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@jakob_thoboell shockingly, maybe some people use their freedom of choice to use FB...
(DIR) Post #AOGllf0lmkIv9apU7E by Hyolobrika@gleasonator.com
2022-10-05T21:23:43.704812Z
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If you're forced by network effects, you're not free.
(DIR) Post #AOGllg066jMQDnWShs by thor@berserker.town
2022-10-05T21:16:21Z
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@jakob_thoboell "i don't like all of it, but i'm kinda okay with it..."
(DIR) Post #AOGllhX6PVM6yRyKn2 by thor@berserker.town
2022-10-05T21:17:42Z
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@jakob_thoboell frankly, i think fedi lacks some perspectivewhose hill do you want to fight on?which battle do you want to pick?
(DIR) Post #AOGmODwWMKb0UoELwm by skypage@noagendasocial.com
2022-10-05T21:30:47Z
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@thor Many services that communicate over packet switched networks use the phone number as a primary identifier (especially services that fill the same niche for users as SMS with extra features). I expect the notion of having a phone number will last longer than you expect.
(DIR) Post #AOGmRFy7HfZveCQHXE by MyriadTribulations@baraag.net
2022-10-05T21:28:43Z
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@thor Maybe the young people without jobs. Those with a job have on-call or other business related things that might require a phone as, a message on a messenger doesn't wake you up at 1 A.M., a phone call does.
(DIR) Post #AOGmRGPPeBPf0rC556 by thor@berserker.town
2022-10-05T21:30:46Z
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@MyriadTribulations you can use Skype, Teams or Discord for that."phone" is old hat"voice call" is relevant
(DIR) Post #AOGmRGrlwk68QoSjHk by Hyolobrika@gleasonator.com
2022-10-05T21:31:18.301737Z
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*gag*
(DIR) Post #AOGmTp2tq4sb14sqZ6 by thor@berserker.town
2022-10-05T21:27:51Z
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@Hyolobrika @jakob_thoboell mmm...i get what you mean, BUT...who is even free at that point?
(DIR) Post #AOGmZtZ9wg64m0rv3A by thor@berserker.town
2022-10-05T21:31:52Z
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@Hyolobrika @MyriadTribulations would you *really* want a phone call over any of those?
(DIR) Post #AOGmZu2aBHdIFGdPua by Hyolobrika@gleasonator.com
2022-10-05T21:32:53.899100Z
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*Yes.*I'd much rather use a protocol with a variety of different providers than a totally centralised service.
(DIR) Post #AOGmaqR34TfLLwWm6C by thor@berserker.town
2022-10-05T21:33:03Z
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@skypage eh, if the phone number has been reduced to only being an ID method...it's not serving the original purpose...
(DIR) Post #AOGmbh71Dg8SjAZ1jk by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-10-05T21:33:13.857980Z
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Why?
(DIR) Post #AOGmgL0EqhpvbXbg9Y by Hyolobrika@gleasonator.com
2022-10-05T21:34:03.744323Z
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Choice. Exit. Freedom.
(DIR) Post #AOGmprI2AydgLaTDns by thor@berserker.town
2022-10-05T21:34:17Z
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@Hyolobrika @MyriadTribulations the phone network isn't a centralised serviceit's literally like the Fediversei call someone in Spain and two companies collaborate to carry the call...
(DIR) Post #AOGmprk2Ur2ZkRZaSG by Hyolobrika@gleasonator.com
2022-10-05T21:35:46.183338Z
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That's what i said/meant.Skype/Discord/Teams are the centralised services. The phone network is the one with multiple providers.
(DIR) Post #AOGn0JYlvL3ev9HjrE by Maximus@chudbuds.lol
2022-10-05T21:37:40.759778Z
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You don’t fundamentally have more of any of those things with a decentralized service. What you really want is encryption, anonymity, ephemerality, and transparent code. You can only have half of those in decentralized systems.
(DIR) Post #AOGnkTeOjs6nXNvdyK by skypage@noagendasocial.com
2022-10-05T21:46:01Z
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@thor I'm sure it's far from the only example of something finding common usage that's orthogonal to its original intended use. Can't say that bothers me, personally, with how much I've improvised using things outside of their intended purpose 😆
(DIR) Post #AOGnpwPvDGxOCelMyO by Hyolobrika@gleasonator.com
2022-10-05T21:46:59.554046Z
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I count 3/4. Full ephemerality is impossible with computers but encryption limits the number of people who can archive info.Have you heard of Cwtch? it aims for all three.You are probably right though that it’s possible to get a large portion of total freedom and privacy using cryptography. Relevant: https://gleasonator.com/notice/ANzVApKbN06xZNlLQ8
(DIR) Post #AOGo5Ra5d16FCTuYk4 by thor@berserker.town
2022-10-05T21:37:06Z
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@Hyolobrika @MyriadTribulations ever heard of the TCP/IP network?
(DIR) Post #AOGo5S2RvZmicRBCwi by Hyolobrika@gleasonator.com
2022-10-05T21:49:47.204989Z
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How many phone providers are there compared to how many centralised corporate VoIP providers that everyone can be expected to already have an account on?
(DIR) Post #AOIIoQHWUvsNz5YCA4 by neglesaks@mstdn.io
2022-10-06T15:08:48Z
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@thor Old-style Street Addresses aren't very hot either, but they're still in use for some reason.