Post AOFrIvGmfCB9kN2XXU by tasket@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AOEoMvDvGvHdt5MvCq by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:12:25Z
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1. We're about to see LOTS of new users on Mastodon. Before that happens, it's time for me to talk about my own journey on the Fediverse -- at this point, I'm a veteran user. š§µ
(DIR) Post #AOEoMvlbFiDpZX7ohM by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:14:38Z
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2. First thing to understand about me is that, while I never worked for Twitter, I worked at a company that was instrumental to their growth. Twitter's fortune is tied to my fortune.
(DIR) Post #AOEoMwiRivIGW2eoQC by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:17:11Z
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3. I've never wanted Twitter to fail. It's against my self interest.Nevertheless, I can't ignore how Twitter has failed to serve its users, the public square, and democracy. They've profited directly from the rise of modern Fascism.
(DIR) Post #AOEoMxdWIiwnN3MONk by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:19:01Z
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4. In 2018, I discovered the emergence of the ActivityPub protocol. I've long felt that Twitter should have open sourced its API a long time ago. Until 2010, Twitter was a somewhat "open" platform.Instead, they went the other direction.
(DIR) Post #AOEoMyLTfI6pZNvUtk by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:21:57Z
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5. I joined Mastodon in 2018. It was a much different place back then. The majority of the Fediverse was what the mainstream would term "fringe": folks who had been harassed off of the big social networks.
(DIR) Post #AOEoMzg4iCBBhYZSds by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:24:51Z
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6. During the past 5 years, Mastodon (and the Fediverse) has gradually shifted towards four core groups:1. Programmers & tech enthusiasts2. LGBTQIA+3. Furries4. NeurodivergentEach group has become protective of their space.
(DIR) Post #AOEoN0RZraB24snOgS by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:26:23Z
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7. Every time there's a crisis on Twitter (Birdsite) or Facebook (Booksite), there's a new wave of sign-ups to Mastodon and the Fediverse. Most of these users don't stay because Mastodon is not a clone of those services. But some stay.
(DIR) Post #AOEoN1KAabqUoCKzmC by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:28:36Z
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8. Six months ago, I decided to make the Fediverse my social media home. While I stay on mastodon.social for quick status updates, I've also set up my own Pixelfed instance at peerverse.social -- which I update every day.
(DIR) Post #AOEoN2cHmjvmofoyeW by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:30:52Z
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9. As a frequent user of Mastodon and Pixelfed, I make monthly monetary donations to both those projects. Since I plan on building my instance(s), I've been thinking of increasing these donations.
(DIR) Post #AOEoN3vSuurosRnoBc by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:33:13Z
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10. It's important to remember that the bulk of the Fediverse is not made by multi-billion dollar corporations. Mastodon is a non-profit.Pixelfed is made by @dansup, and he does it part-time. And there are many other projects.
(DIR) Post #AOEoN5iQGNceQZiQ8O by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:36:47Z
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11. Right now, there are only 1.5 million active users on the Fediverse. This is minuscule compared to Twitter. Nevertheless, I get more social interaction on the Fediverse than I do on Twitter.
(DIR) Post #AOEoN7XrScMY6On0wy by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:39:07Z
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12. The Fediverse needs investment. Not everyone agrees with this notion because some prefer that it be a hobbyist enclave. For its own long term survival, it needs infrastructure that scales. Not even Mastodon can handle growth.
(DIR) Post #AOEoN9IKxJ8JWpXe1w by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:41:42Z
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13. Over the past year, I've developed enough working knowledge to run a Fediverse instance. The best way to grow the Fediverse is to setup an instance. I'm by no means a sysadmin, but I've learn how to do it.
(DIR) Post #AOEonZFT5C6pYGnTyC by icameheretosaythenword@poa.st
2022-10-04T22:47:19.854802Z
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@atomicpoet All gays have AIDS
(DIR) Post #AOEonZnV2fKbFoif0y by CrustyB@poa.st
2022-10-04T22:48:21.961949Z
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@icameheretosaythenword @atomicpoet GAY is an acronym for G ot A IDS Y et?
(DIR) Post #AOEravBsUVVjhZmNZQ by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:45:13Z
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14. With Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter, government and media SHOULD adopt the Fediverse.But WILL they?Not until there's a crisis that forces their hand. Which there will be -- it's just a matter of when.
(DIR) Post #AOEravy5bG4k76KsiW by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:48:27Z
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15. Yesterday, Elon Musk sent out a pro-Russian tweet. Do you think the Ukraine government wants to be on Twitter right now?What about the EU? What about NATO?I guarantee they're looking at the Fediverse as an alternative.
(DIR) Post #AOErawZJMrqjyXkbjc by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:50:19Z
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16. Right now is the calm before the storm. People won't leave Twitter until they have to. Eventually, they will.So how do we all prepare for this eventuality.
(DIR) Post #AOEray85Z3GKoh1ta4 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:54:34Z
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17. Recommendations for building the Fediverse prior to the next mass migration:1. BUILD instances -- lots of them2. DONATE to Fediverse projects3. If you must use Twitter, automatically cross-post FROM the Fediverse
(DIR) Post #AOErazidee5pkL8bBo by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T22:57:45Z
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18. Building the Fediverse isn't just a matter of finding a Twitter or Facebook alternative.It's about building a ROBUST social media infrastructure that is protected from the whims of shareholders and governments.
(DIR) Post #AOErb1HPqpVQaUPt2G by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T23:03:34Z
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19. Am I going to be sad about the "old" Fediverse? Yes I am. No one likes change but change to social media is coming.The great thing about ActivityPub is that we are not a slave to opaque algorithms. We can build better social media.
(DIR) Post #AOErb307S6rHvQL6Lw by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T23:08:51Z
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20. It's time ā±ļø Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter is imminent. It's costing him $44 billion.For the fraction of the cost, you can build the alternative. And it already works./end thread
(DIR) Post #AOEsGTxo6uSpQC11uq by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2022-10-04T23:21:26Z
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@atomicpoet wonderful, thoughtful thread. Thank you!One thing I would point out is that it's not either-or. We don't have to lose the "old Fediverse" to be able to build it out as a robust, mainstream social network.There will always be nooks and crannies, some will not federate with the Big Network, some will, but the beauty of a standardized protocol with a bunch of independent implementations is that we *can* have those.And the beauty of no "real name policy" is alts.We can have both.
(DIR) Post #AOEtsx3AW2uoadQlZg by ringo@noagendasocial.com
2022-10-04T23:45:21Z
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@atomicpoet because the conversation died in 2010 on twitter.thats when the bots started coming in, and other stuff..
(DIR) Post #AOEtyhNhgWs1jPmC0W by ringo@noagendasocial.com
2022-10-04T23:46:24Z
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@atomicpoet the whole point of it is its not supposed to be centralized in power.your calling for the bankster demons to fund the thing, there are no polite or nice VC's or they';d have done the stupid thing and gotten investors from the get go, and sold the company to the open market.there are good reasons to not be in the market, for one the public decides if you're valuable or not..
(DIR) Post #AOEu2ndQNOMsHj5Km8 by Yujiri@collapsitarian.io
2022-10-04T23:47:08.622899Z
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@atomicpoet why do ppl think we're about to see lots of new users? what did i miss?
(DIR) Post #AOEu3TJhP7XrYiBArQ by ringo@noagendasocial.com
2022-10-04T23:47:15Z
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@atomicpoet why in God's green earth would you want the govt using the fediverse?the first thing they'd do is ruin it, regulate it, slap terms of service on it, and make it exactly what it is not, today.
(DIR) Post #AOEu7frMiAxjcPvjQu by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T23:47:50Z
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@Yujiri Elon Musk is actually buying Twitter. He isn't backing out anymore. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-agrees-to-go-ahead-with-twitter-deal-163822996.html
(DIR) Post #AOEucHZF50DxFq33h2 by Yujiri@collapsitarian.io
2022-10-04T23:53:33.343072Z
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@atomicpoet i see. i kind of assumed that drama had fizzled out and nothing was going to happen. even if he buys it though, i'm still somewhat skeptical that it's going to change that much
(DIR) Post #AOEvlOMFIoZwsIsR3g by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T23:57:05Z
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@Yujiri Should the owner of Twitter be picking fights with entire nation states? Especially ones allied to the USA?Whatever you have to say about past CEOS of Twitter, they didn't do that.
(DIR) Post #AOEvlOobbNGQIG95GK by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2022-10-05T00:05:04.820746Z
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@Yujiri @atomicpoet Itās ok to express an opinion. That is suppository what social media is for. I donāt think itās necessarily picking a fight. Whereās the threat? There isnāt one.
(DIR) Post #AOEvlPMdYqUBzo4GJ6 by Yujiri@collapsitarian.io
2022-10-05T00:06:23.347029Z
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@midway @atomicpoet oh no, i think it's time for me to duck out of this thread š
(DIR) Post #AOExjcYfjbEYFIyMW8 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-04T23:23:08Z
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@rysiek I agree with you. If you want to preserve part of the old Fediverse, nothing is stopping you from building an enclave. Nevertheless, the Big Network will change.
(DIR) Post #AOExjdC1NIi2DLNmqm by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2022-10-04T23:25:51Z
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@atomicpoet fully agreed.I just think it's important to keep that possibility in mind. The reason being: I've seen a lot of pushback against newcomers and changes that is not doing anyone any good. I feel if we communicated more clearly that it's not an either-or and we can have both, the pushback and internal fedi struggle around these changes would be lesser.Anyway, thanks again for the thread and for engaging!
(DIR) Post #AOExjdiHRMVtpOTY8G by Azure@tailswish.industries
2022-10-05T00:28:28.486813Z
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@rysiek I'll be honest, the pushback against new fediverse waves has always bugged me.To me, if one thinks the Fediverse is a good thing that one enjoys being on, it's kind of lousy to be hostile to other people also having the Good Thing.Also I don't necessarily think being unfederated is the best way to have the 'old fediverse' experience. I think what we really need are larger group structures whose members can administer them. It's the thing that has always struck me most about Twitter. There are small de-facto communities, but they have no means to accept or expel members to enforce their own norms.(In fact, I think some of this might be the source of some of the dysfunction on the fediverse, that people legitimately want a safe group experience and have nothing but instance defederation to get it.)At least, that's how it appears to me as a neurodivergent, LGBTQIA, furry programmer ;)(Though I admit I'm a lot more protective of the ideals of the space being OPEN than I am protective of the space itself. Some of that might be generational. Having come of age just as the Internet was going public, I'm very devoted to the idea that there should be an 'in' for people.)@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AOEyXaDsgvNdTx4VDk by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2022-10-05T00:31:30Z
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@Azure > I think what we really need are larger group structures whose members can administer them.In other words, instances or clusters of instances. That's actually what makes fedi work, IMVHO.I don't think we disagree. But even if we did, the point is: we could *still* have both.@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AOEyXb1rh5MXyySQ88 by Azure@tailswish.industries
2022-10-05T00:37:29.812341Z
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@rysiek YES both could work.But also I think we disagree.I think we need clusters of USERS that have group/community functionality independent of instances.For two reasons.First, it's pretty ridiculous to me that people can suddenly have an entire community of people they talk to disappear because "Oh, the admin of that instance had a bad take." Migration is better than it was, but it's still not great. And being able to communicate with the people you want to communicate with should be something available to people who can't (or don't want to) set up their own.Second, a user should be able to partition their identity into alts. And a user should be able to join multiple communities. But it should be up to the user to decide how to map identities to communities. Making instances the basic building block of community kind of screws with that, since every instance I join is, de facto, a new identity.@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AOEycTrjkqIZDJ36uW by Azure@tailswish.industries
2022-10-05T00:38:24.427685Z
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@rysiek YES, we can still have both. I agree completely with that.But also I think we disagree.I think we need clusters of USERS that have group/community functionality independent of instances.For two reasons.First, it's pretty ridiculous to me that people can suddenly have an entire community of people they talk to disappear because "Oh, the admin of that instance had a bad take." Migration is better than it was, but it's still not great. And being able to communicate with the people you want to communicate with should be something available to people who can't (or don't want to) set up their own.Second, a user should be able to partition their identity into alts. And a user should be able to join multiple communities. But it should be up to the user to decide how to map identities to communities. Making instances the basic building block of community kind of screws with that, since every instance I join is, de facto, a new identity.@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AOEyp8VuS6GukvsGNE by Azure@tailswish.industries
2022-10-05T00:40:40.995845Z
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@rysiek Though I will say instance-as-community has one really good thing going for it, especially in an instance tends to small-hundreds of users: The local timeline gives you a GREAT onboarding experience with a small number of people who, ideally, have some common interest with you.That was the thing that struck me when I first signed up as the brilliance of Mastodon.@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AOF2HbpVLhn5eIJAVE by msh@coales.co
2022-10-05T01:19:26Z
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@rysiek @Azure @atomicpoet like a lot of things in this world the internet started coming off the rails at the turn of the century. In the early 2000s corporate "Web 2.0" really started to make a concerted effort to establish "silos" from Yahoo's takeover of Geocities and chat to the "messenger wars" to the establishment of social media platforms that limited or eliminated interoperability.The fediverse is the most promising effort to get back on track, continuing where the federated BBS networks like FidoNet and the Citadels left off. The protocol and the software are ALREADY more than capable of "scaling" this to Facebook size because it must scale horizontally--scaling vertically just results in another defective Facebook clone. We need a million instances of 1000 users each not the other way around, so the software and protocol don't have to deal with much anyways.Horizontal scale needs network infrastructure not big instances...
(DIR) Post #AOF3cD1yqTZwlwWwQC by msh@coales.co
2022-10-05T01:34:21Z
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@rysiek @Azure @atomicpoet ... on the software front the main thing I would like to see is more federated BBS/forum type applications to truly pick up the baton left by 20th century federation. Otherwise things are going quite well.I host an instance in the garage in my back yard. I am privileged to have the space, skills and small business internet service with a fixed IP to do this. To fix the internet that the likes of Meta/Facebook, Alphabet/YouTube and Twitter have ruined ultimately requires lowering the barrier to entry to do what I do--affordable Raspberry Pi like systems with approachable setup procedures and mass adoption of broadband with ability to have free stable IPv6 addresses for such systems. It need not be as plug and play as a telephone or kitchen appliance but it needs to be approachable enough to a million interested hobbyists, community leaders, etc...even businesses!This won't happen in the near term, but as a stopgap lets get as many VPS/cloud hosted instances as we can!
(DIR) Post #AOF7JgN9vgxE5WrF8S by drwho@hackers.town
2022-10-05T02:15:36Z
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@msh @rysiek @Azure @atomicpoet QWK over tcp/ip is still a thing.
(DIR) Post #AOF7M0fDSSxbbEPhGy by Azure@tailswish.industries
2022-10-05T02:16:15.994420Z
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@drwho What is QWK? I don't think I'm familiar.@msh @rysiek @atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AOF8LHRPh8DdIYAogy by msh@coales.co
2022-10-05T02:27:19Z
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@Azure @drwho @atomicpoet @rysiek QWK was (is I guess?) a way to minimise tying up your phone or racking up long distance charges by allowing you to bundle up and download your unread messages (typically via ZMODEM) to read through offline. You could also write/reply to messages and bundle them up using an offline application so next time you dial in you could upload them to the BBS.It is kinda limited and quirky by today's standards but "disconnected operation" is sorely neglected in social applications these days (constant surveillance is cumbersome to do without an always on connection you see, so such behaviour must be discouraged ;)
(DIR) Post #AOF9rkuJm8SzuHk6Ou by msh@coales.co
2022-10-05T02:44:24Z
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@Azure @drwho @atomicpoet @rysiek by extension, since BBSes themselves typically weren't always online they sometimes used QWK files as a means of data exchange to federate with each other too so there is a "QWK network" as well, though I generally dealt with fidonet and citadel BBSes myself.I'm not sure QWK is up to the task of handling the kind of data we exchange today, but ActivityPub implementations generally handle disconnection events after a fashion at least, though in kind of a server-to-server "online first" way. Sometimes you hear masto admins mumble something about Sidekiq queue backlogs. That is when something happens to prevent federating to other instances then getting flooded with queued up posts, as well as processing locally queued posts, when things are back online. On a QWK network that would be like having lots of big QWK files/packeys to download and a buildup of REPs I guess LOL
(DIR) Post #AOFgdruyD7dU5C28qu by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T00:08:26Z
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@midway @Yujiri Opinions have consequences. If a nation state doesn't like Musk's, they can invest in an alternative to Twitter. If TikTok is a security risk, so is Twitter and Facebook.
(DIR) Post #AOFgdsMyX02NU38VVI by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2022-10-05T01:44:40.832125Z
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And they are free to do so, but the key is will anyone actually go there. The reason people go to Facebook and Twitter and not the Fediverse is the audience. I know very few on here in real life. I see that as a plus, but most people do not.
(DIR) Post #AOFgdt1k5QeBWUD42y by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T01:48:24Z
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@midway @Yujiri No, they go to Facebook and Twitter because of the network effect. Disrupt the network effect, the audience falters. The network effect can be disrupted at any moment.Just ask Kiwi Farms.
(DIR) Post #AOFgdtdfoOzLQ7xMAa by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2022-10-05T02:02:35.022976Z
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The Fediverse isn't going to disrupt the big social platforms. I do hope it grows and I appreciate the fact that it's here (enough to start my own instance). Who is on the big platforms matters. If all the big names left, that would cause a drop. If most people couldn't see their family, friends (and stalk ex's), even more would drop. This is normal. Most people want to follow the herd. There are some really interesting alternatives out there. But I don't see ActivityPub taking over the social world. It's not built for the kind of scale that would be needed to really take on the general public...at least at the instance level. Gab showed that which is why they tore out federation and, ultimately, re-wrote a bunch of the code. At that scale it chewed up servers and resources like crazy.The whole concept of the Fediverse confuses the average user. "Where do I go?" "What do you mean there are lots of instances?" "How would I find one for me?" "How do I find my friends?" "Why can't I just go to one place and find everything?" It takes a certain type of person to do all of that. That's not the average social media user.I say this as a big fan of the Fediverse. I just don't see it catching on at that level.
(DIR) Post #AOFrItbGs3NWZKbsC8 by tasket@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T08:14:48Z
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@atomicpoet I disagree with most of this, but good luck anyway!Proliferating a lot of new, low-quality servers would drive ppl away and ruin the fediverse idea.AFAICT there's no simple way for misc sites (like news) to integrate 'participation' links. Should CNN feature 131 different "Toot this article" icons on each page?Trademarks/branding is haphazard and just asking for a major phishing scandal. Why do most M. instances feature the same logo??
(DIR) Post #AOFrIuEGX4ZQWGr0yW by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T08:26:59Z
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@tasket Mastodon is not the Fediverse. It is only one project that uses ActivityPub. Further, ActivityPub is just one protocol that makes up the broader Fediverse. Anyway, the proof that this can all work is that email and RSS are both decentralized. CNN has used both.
(DIR) Post #AOFrIumeTE4mEuwTZY by tasket@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T08:33:41Z
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@atomicpoet Email didn't have a massive brand-confusion problem. Gmail and Hotmail didn't take Netscape's logo and use it as their own.Mastodon has the problem, partly bc it identifies both software and certain instances. But its worse bc other instances that are not mastodon.social also display it like a masthead.
(DIR) Post #AOFrIvCAwKUbW4srM8 by tasket@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T08:36:05Z
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@atomicpoet So you're saying CNN would integrate fedi like it does email.OK. What is the fedi icon? How does the browser/OS know to dispatch the URL to the right app or domain?
(DIR) Post #AOFrIvGmfCB9kN2XXU by tasket@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T08:19:22Z
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@atomicpoet Rough edges galore:If my browser isn't full-width, there's no sign of the Reply text area. Otherwise presentation looks "right".Replying to a big thread tosses my message to the bottom of my browser (seems to disappear)... have to scroll all the way down to continue w a 2nd msg. under it.
(DIR) Post #AOFrIvimz4a39E8uBs by evelyn@misskey.bubbletea.dev
2022-10-05T08:46:47.707Z
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@tasket@mastodon.social @atomicpoet@mastodon.social there's several well-known logos for fediverse, the fact that a lot of mastodon users do not understand what fediverse is notwithstanding, so perhaps it being a mastodon logo would help them. a "tweet this article" icon could do something similar to the remote follow flow, there's the potential for a URL handler to be used in some settings, but in the final case, if CNN doesn't have a button to share articles, I think nothing is actually lost.
(DIR) Post #AOFrIw7xTUiIPHv0QC by tasket@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T09:03:16Z
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@evelyn @atomicpoet Why is there potential to have a URL handler? Will Microsoft add the MIME definition to Windows? Probably an app install would be required to get integration. Neither Twitter nor Facebook had this hurdle, as they use regular http URLs.
(DIR) Post #AOFrIwm14YkwPWezrM by evelyn@misskey.bubbletea.dev
2022-10-05T09:08:28.861Z
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@tasket@mastodon.social @atomicpoet@mastodon.social splendid, fewer people will share news URLs then, nothing lost
(DIR) Post #AOFrIxMsrUFMFruRKC by tasket@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T09:09:14Z
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@evelyn @atomicpoet Insularity? Doesn't sound like the fedi spirit.
(DIR) Post #AOFrIxmPKafBX1qp6m by evelyn@misskey.bubbletea.dev
2022-10-05T09:13:10.784Z
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@tasket@mastodon.social @atomicpoet@mastodon.social you're on mastodon.social, you haven't a leg to stand on when talking about 'fedi spirit', charlatan. One thing I absolutely do like about this place is that my mental health has vastly improved from twitter, where people constantly drip feed bad-seeming but fundamentally inconsequential news about everything, and the platform has pressure to encourage this behaviour. Go back to twitter.
(DIR) Post #AOFrIzRv7jSoi4HUS8 by tasket@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T08:42:59Z
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Please show me an example of a traditional website that integrates fedi participation links.This is lifeblood for 'engagement'. Fedi devs must think that way or it will flounder.
(DIR) Post #AOFrIzl3yYmBfREmI4 by tasket@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T08:27:55Z
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@atomicpoet Some of this stuff is amatuer-level mistakes. But the basic concept itself is not well thought-out and needs a re-work.Can you imagine if 100 sites popped up all sporting the identical Twitter logo? Or if one of the copycats cut deals w some news sites to lure activists onto the site via featured articles? And those readers didn't realize the domain they were clicking was different than the one they thought they were using? Holy cow.
(DIR) Post #AOG9Tb3FyNNnOxx5cW by neurobox@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T03:17:14Z
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@Azure @atomicpoet @rysiek Inaugural post here:I do wonder about the wisdom of small communities being able to enforce their own norms without any exposure or accountability to the greater public...I've seen countless times that "bully-pulpit" claims which go unchallenged only lead to mobs acting up based on poor intel, even being taken advantage of.Anything we can do to encourage examination and rigor is for the greater good. Confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance are deadly.
(DIR) Post #AOG9Tbv8k2U665A7bk by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2022-10-05T10:18:25Z
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@neurobox @Azure @atomicpoet yes, but we've had these in small communities for millennia and we've been able to mostly do quite fine. Once that confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance got scaled up to gigantic walled gardens of millions if not billions of users, that's where we got in trouble.So scaling back to smaller communities, as imperfect as they may be, is already a huge improvement.Making it easy to switch communities (which is quite easy on fedi), improves it further.
(DIR) Post #AOG9UXVcd4XEhjfYsy by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2022-10-05T10:22:13Z
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@msh @Azure @atomicpoet well, federated forum type things start to emerge. Lemmy instances (most of which seem to be nicely non-tankie, turns out) started popping up and provide a Reddit-like forum experience. I use that quite a lot.
(DIR) Post #AOG9W9JhXwPyFirSBk by creek@mspsocial.net
2022-10-05T12:41:01Z
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@rysiek @msh @Azure @atomicpoet I just wish we could have fora that aren't trying to be reddit clones. It's possible to just not relate all posts to vote counts. Stuff that doesn't get replied to falls off the front page.
(DIR) Post #AOG9q5lQSv0L1dL30C by Azure@tailswish.industries
2022-10-05T14:18:49.528482Z
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@rysiek And at least some type of aggregation. I'm not thinking of very large communities, I'm thinking of being in many communities. It's no trouble at all to be on 30 mailing lists since they all get aggregated into your inbox and you can sort them at delivery and read and reply to them all with a single client.Something equivalent where people don't have to go to 30 different instances would be good.@neurobox @atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AOHH1zPomwoheEoOlk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-10-06T03:14:07.319971Z
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@atomicpoet The only way someone could say this is by living in an insulated instance that has blocked the majority of the networkThat is *definitely* not the majority of the fediverse, now, though it was probably 3-5 years ago
(DIR) Post #AOHH7uKWbneDc69qyG by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2022-10-04T22:53:01.816368Z
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@atomicpoet I like running my own instance. I tried Mastodon on a VSP for a while but I eventually settled on Soapbox on my own gear. It was much easier to set up and I like what the devs are doing. Iām even running a couple of boys in my instance that I forked from another open source project. Itās been a fun process.
(DIR) Post #AOHHBSb7ete0lHcDNw by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2022-10-04T22:58:12.614271Z
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@atomicpoet I donāt see the government adopting the Fediverse. Iām not sure I even like the idea of government getting into the social media business. But I donāt think most governments want to get involved in things they canāt control. Imagine the lawsuits around blocking, etc.
(DIR) Post #AOHHBT37ym2uA8ia2K by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-10-06T03:15:50.407427Z
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@midway @atomicpoet The EU federal government is already hereit's only a matter of time, now
(DIR) Post #AOHHBcAY4YKURlG8Lw by Evil_Bender@nicecrew.digital
2022-10-06T03:15:52.082442Z
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That instance is dull of faggots, troons and retards. What do you expect?
(DIR) Post #AOHHCJ3ccBL3SjLi1g by RupertvonRipp@poa.st
2022-10-06T03:16:00.006162Z
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@jeffcliff @atomicpoet Sounds like a very different fedi from what I see, suppose that's the point though- no centralized jannies.
(DIR) Post #AOHHCPPSzsNTADcEuO by Evil_Bender@nicecrew.digital
2022-10-06T03:16:00.937684Z
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That instance is full of faggots, troons and retards. What do you expect?
(DIR) Post #AOHHHvCWE3END6BjCy by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2022-10-04T23:27:07.586804Z
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@atomicpoet You donāt buy Twitter for the software or even the infrastructure. You are buying their brand and user base. Thatās why the issue of bots was important
(DIR) Post #AOHHMBF8WUBm7fRXwO by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-10-06T03:17:42.693057Z
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@ringo @atomicpoet there was still plenty of conversation post 2010 on twitterwhat increasingly killed it was the *censorship* which stepped up around the time of #gamergate
(DIR) Post #AOHHbk7N8qMed2ETJY by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-10-06T03:20:35.559189Z
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@atomicpoet @Yujiri wellif ukraine does not reign themselves in, the whole world is likely to get destroyed and everyone, including elon musk, will diemusk is understandably concerned and using what influence he has to speak for peace, which means compromise at this point
(DIR) Post #AOHHfwGvtWV1TyhmJU by straw@rdrama.cc
2022-10-06T03:21:21.227089Z
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@jeffcliff @Yujiri @atomicpoet ez solution FEDPOST him before the nukes do
(DIR) Post #AOHHlLkcamIZx4AibA by straw@rdrama.cc
2022-10-06T03:22:19.883098Z
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@Yujiri @atomicpoet no one's gonna move to the fediverse they're too stupid for that
(DIR) Post #AOHHojy10vn5vQ3NdA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-10-06T03:22:56.528179Z
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@atomicpoet @midway > The network effect can be disrupted at any moment.> Just ask Kiwi Farms.huh?
(DIR) Post #AOHHpTf97Q1teDZxbc by straw@rdrama.cc
2022-10-06T03:23:04.782914Z
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@Yujiri @atomicpoet especially the ones vocally in support of free speech they're gonna think a billionaire controlling the centralized platform they use to speak is good because the billionaire is addicted to twitter waow!!!!
(DIR) Post #AOHHpyvWsYYQc0Tywi by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T02:10:06Z
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@midway @Yujiri Linux wasn't supposed to disrupt the OS space either. But what slowly happened was that Linux took over. Now the only place Linux and its derivatives don't dominate is the desktop.Same deal with the Fediverse. If I'm running a government and I want to build a nationalized social network, what am I going to build on?We've seen this story play out again and again with open source. Another example: most sites on the Internet are built on WordPress.
(DIR) Post #AOHHsB1as2DKiCMkHQ by Haikyo_neko@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T05:27:20Z
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@atomicpoet why does twitter need to be a "public square"? Especially when such a low percentage of the world's population use it.
(DIR) Post #AOHHsBkcAeE6xpQhSC by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T05:33:02Z
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@Haikyo_neko No service has to be anything. Nevertheless, that's how Twitter is used. Government, media, academia, and PR use Twitter to affect public opinion. Now I wish this wasn't the caseāyet it is.
(DIR) Post #AOHHtvhqnMBfmWy18i by Haikyo_neko@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T05:41:15Z
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@atomicpoet but I don't think it does? That list of people seem to think it does, and other twitter users think it does, but since I've left I've no idea what any of them are saying, just like most of the world.
(DIR) Post #AOHHtw5xLjTAzIFGiG by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T05:50:44Z
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@Haikyo_neko That's the point. You have no idea what any of them are saying but if you ever were interested in knowing, you'd have to check Twitter. Again, I don't wish this was the case. There's no reason why the President of the USA nor the BBC nor Coca-Cola has to use Twitter. Now if you're wondering why people want to know what those entities have to say, it's because they do. It's as simple as that. Should they use a different service? Yes, I doāthat should be obvious.
(DIR) Post #AOHHvxrRkqjL2mQSae by KolokokoBird@social.chinwag.org
2022-10-05T01:20:56Z
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@atomicpoet I think the other reason that many donāt stay is that the Mastodon community is not that great at welcoming new users and helping them to feel at home.
(DIR) Post #AOHHvyURPrvEzifbN2 by arin_basu@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-10-05T02:05:05Z
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@KolokokoBird @atomicpoet Well that may be true; but also, the sheer volume of doom scrolling in twitter for #lazyweb could be another attraction for some. Plus all that nonsense. #fediverse in comparison, is more substantive.
(DIR) Post #AOHHvz4bFQqUnraTjM by KolokokoBird@social.chinwag.org
2022-10-05T03:17:07Z
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@arin_basu @atomicpoet As it is now, I think the users who stick around are those who are able to read instructions and persevere. That does select for a subset of people that I particularly like, so it works for me. š
(DIR) Post #AOHHvzWxXzWyDor7w0 by arin_basu@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-10-05T05:45:13Z
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@KolokokoBird @atomicpoet Well said! For me too, 'subset of people I particularly like' and feel safe to discuss things as well. Nice, safe, interactive, get to discover new people and topics, what more can you ask from a 'social media app', and what more rewards will satisfy people š ?
(DIR) Post #AOHHvzxtvp57ZNSdvc by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T05:52:40Z
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@arin_basu @KolokokoBird I'll be real. I wish critical communications were delivered through the Fediverse. I don't want to be checking Twitter to find out health policy and economic data.
(DIR) Post #AOHIQTD7lIfYxc6yPo by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-10-06T03:29:44.664681Z
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@tasket @evelyn @atomicpoet mimetype `application/ld+json; profile="https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams"` exists so theres at least a start
(DIR) Post #AOHIR4icJAqTI0898i by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-10-06T03:29:51.697736Z
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@tasket https://www.noagendashow.net/ that's masto specific but i've seen fedi ones too
(DIR) Post #AOI4dZuqwFvTJxshzk by bengo@mastodon.social
2022-10-06T10:42:22Z
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@rysiek @Azure @atomicpoet Anyone wanna make a FediverseDAO.com ?
(DIR) Post #AOI4daSstj9F1Vnt2W by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2022-10-06T10:48:28Z
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@bengo oh wow, I hope you're joking. There's a "web5" thing on your profile, so unsure. Are you joking?On a broader note, I guess that's the price we pay for fedi getting somewhat popular: cryptoscammers started descending upon it.For anyone reading this, before you dive into any of the "web3"/"web5" bullshit, read this:https://doctorow.medium.com/moneylike-d20f8279a72e...and watch this (long, but worth it!):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g@Azure @atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AOIGQTHhTwa8RI5JPE by miklo@fosstodon.org
2022-10-06T14:19:48Z
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@creek @rysiek @msh @Azure @atomicpoet We have groups that are not reddit clones. E.g. in projects like Friendica, hubzilla, zap. However, the problem with them is that they are technologically old projects with unfriendly UX
(DIR) Post #AOIGQU6kQ9Pmzby4yO by msh@coales.co
2022-10-06T14:42:02Z
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@miklo yeah Friendica, hubzilla, zap, diaspora* have been present in that realm but when you present them to normal people they are completely mystified LOL.They address the need but the UI design of all of them have gone well into the weeds for the most part. The design process seems to have been far too insular with not enough contribution from non-programmers, or at least programmers with a sense of design.This is the same path federated microblogging took with GNU Social really, and though it is frustrating to see history repeat it is promising that if history does continue to repeat that it is plausible a new forum/BBS/group centric federated app that is actually approachable to the masses will emerge. @creek @rysiek @Azure @atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #AOIjGib0b4dPhYokkq by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-10-05T01:29:00Z
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@KolokokoBird This is true. In the past, I've had certain folks get hostile to me because I said that the Fediverse should be for everyone. And I stand by that notion.
(DIR) Post #AOIkUn4qpefdbn3B0y by bengo@mastodon.social
2022-10-06T13:36:39Z
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@rysiek @Azure @atomicpoet itās a little of a joke, also just a getting to know you session :) what do you think of those things? It sounds like you might dislike them
(DIR) Post #AOIkUnakv2BvCjyekC by bengo@mastodon.social
2022-10-06T13:38:41Z
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@rysiek @Azure @atomicpoet youāre right though I didnāt really mean to have web5 on my bio. Before web5 was announce it said web4. I switched it to match my twitter bio which says web 8. Opine howeverakes you feel good <3
(DIR) Post #AOIkUo4B9dj8fzk9bc by bengo@mastodon.social
2022-10-06T13:42:49Z
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@rysiek @Azure @atomicpoet DAOs can pub activities in JSONLD too. See āactivity logā https://daostar.one/EIPMaybe some DAOs are already a part of the fedi, even if bullshit. I wondered if that might be in line with the plurality on the fediverse it seemed you were evangelizing. Sometimes people say fedi is bullshit, so idk if it is constructive or strategic to label other things that way, especially the parts of web5 that use W3C TRs
(DIR) Post #AOIkUoVpUpqS3kgEhk by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2022-10-06T18:11:17Z
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@bengo @Azure @atomicpoet I get to label things I believe are bullshit "bullshit", and I am firmly convinced web3 and DAOs are, in fact, bullshit. Take that any way you want.How people label fedi has no bearing on my view of web3 and DAOs.
(DIR) Post #AOIkUoyXm4oVUo7ASe by bengo@mastodon.social
2022-10-06T19:53:04Z
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@rysiek @Azure @atomicpoet It sounds like you think āWeb5ā (blockās project) depends on a blockchain? Its whole point is to use some new W3C standards, add a few more open standards, and totally not depend on blockchains at all. Whatās your beef with it? Here is a convo earlier today where a lead of web5 seems to share your distaste for āblockchainstasā https://twitter.com/csuwildcat/status/1577963483743887360
(DIR) Post #AOIkUpLaOPFGeGtZNQ by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2022-10-06T20:18:20Z
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@bengo @Azure @atomicpoet the most concrete definition of "web5" I have seen so far is "web2+web3", and that's pretty damn nebulous.That said, it at least contains "web3", which in turn definitely depends on cryptocurrency-adjacent stuff. If you have a better definition of "web5", preferably with some explanation why the hell do we need buzzwords like "web5" in the first place instead of just talking about decentralizing the Web, send it my way. š¤·āāļø
(DIR) Post #AOKvJNtgGvCtSnliUq by kunt@mastodon.online
2022-10-06T02:07:43Z
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@rysiek @neurobox @Azure @atomicpoet Can I chime in here and ask how this is going to prevent mastodon to become another tweeter?From the suggestions I've read so far, they are still vulnerable to parties like Cambridge Analytica to target and spam instances/users.Multiple instances, non-profit, no data harvesting - these are all great things of mastodon. But I can't see how this is simply changing the game (of parties like CA) needs to play.
(DIR) Post #AOKvJOZrk4x1ZdVPFY by miklo@soc.citizen4.eu
2022-10-06T14:34:01Z
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@kunt @Azure @atomicpoet @rysiek @neurobox Consider that what CA did was only possible because the SINGLE company that holds the data of ALL users allowed CA, BEHIND THE SCENES, to take that data and serve targeted advertising based on it. This is not possible in a decentralised project where the code is transparent, management distributed, etc.
(DIR) Post #AOKvJPIB5KOdn4EnJo by kunt@mastodon.online
2022-10-07T16:39:11Z
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@miklo @Azure @atomicpoet @rysiek @neurobox Like I said, it just changes the game CA has to play - crawl from public instances instead of paying fb.
(DIR) Post #AOKvJPdRoFPUr2BmTI by kunt@mastodon.online
2022-10-06T02:14:17Z
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@rysiek @neurobox @Azure @atomicpoet And if I were to further play devil's advocate...1. Each instance has description of locations or interest.2. If instance number gets out of control, there'll be a wiki somewhere; if not, web crawl them3. They have enough data purchased already, even if not - just from 2 is going to be enough to locate target audience.4. Automate instance and account creation, then proceed to twitter BAU.
(DIR) Post #AOKvJPfZgL6yxdBTmq by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2022-10-07T16:43:04Z
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@kunt @miklo @Azure @atomicpoet @neurobox CA wasn't getting public content. CA was getting private content by exploiting Facebook's APIs.Crawling public instances is hardly an analog of what CA did on Facebook. A closer analog would be if a CA-like entity found a way to trick a huge chunk of fedi users into giving them some kind of API access to their account data.
(DIR) Post #AOKvJQ8dwGMcPmmh60 by kunt@mastodon.online
2022-10-07T21:27:13Z
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@rysiek @miklo @Azure @atomicpoet @neurobox Yes, either way they just need to change the way they play the game.The game itself doesn't change.- they don't even need to pay any corporations now, they can create accounts and servers, and start spamming non-stop. Targeted or not.Either moderation fatigue or feed pollution till users click or leave.
(DIR) Post #AOKvJQXoQgUrfqYnKK by Azure@tailswish.industries
2022-10-07T21:29:31.746323Z
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@kunt This doesn't seem special to Cambridge Analytica. The problem of spam goes way beyond them. @rysiek @miklo @atomicpoet @neurobox
(DIR) Post #AOKw3TKkOJR9e5PAps by kunt@mastodon.online
2022-10-07T21:35:36Z
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@Azure I'm not sure if I understand.For your context, I mentioned CA because of this:https://mastodon.online/@kunt/109118885953133409Fediverse might solve the data harvesting issue with mainstream commercialised social media networks, to claim that it solves the problems of social media such as hate-fuelled political propaganda, or any type of harmful unknown-gate events sounds too early to me.@atomicpoet @neurobox @rysiek @miklo
(DIR) Post #AOKw3TjusjZOu9BH4C by Azure@tailswish.industries
2022-10-07T21:37:53.487523Z
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@kunt Well, what you're describing, pouring junk into people's feeds, does sound like spam to me, at least.Or do you mean them running their OWN servers convincing people to sign up and make accounts there?@atomicpoet @neurobox @rysiek @miklo
(DIR) Post #AOR7l9ptMNBXCpdZDM by gunchleoc@mastodon.scot
2022-10-05T04:19:49Z
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@alienghic @bob @atomicpoet Yes, greeting new folks is important. Whenever there's a wave of new people incoming, check your local timelines once in a while and also search the #introduction and #FediHelp tags. Follow a few so that they can get some interactions.