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(DIR) Post #AO5hiuQGAKiwF9RWHA by volpeon@mk.vulpes.one
2022-09-30T13:16:34.949Z
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A lot of artists weren't happy when photography was invented, too.
(DIR) Post #AO5i5a268kojfMx4oi by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2022-09-30T13:20:46.428084Z
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@volpeon ohmygosha fellow artist who understands it's not all about hand-made pain???? :blobcatsurprised:
(DIR) Post #AO5w7yTxbjZLQr1JKK by jbauer@merveilles.town
2022-09-30T15:22:23Z
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@volpeon Assuming we're talking about the AI art thing.Photography and other forms of art like sculpting and painting have a lot more in common with each other than what I've seen people dislike about AI art. I don't think this is a good comparison.Unless AI becomes sentient-ish. Then the points I've seen become moot because the AI can actually put thought behind the artwork (just like photographers have to for photos) instead of just haphazardly smooshing things together based on a prompt.
(DIR) Post #AO5w7yynl4EsyVRwOm by volpeon@mk.vulpes.one
2022-09-30T15:58:03.595Z
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@jbauer@merveilles.town You're assuming that AI has the role of the artist here, but I view it as a tool. It still matters what people make of it.The primary reason AI art is widely getting banned is because a lot of people are wowed by the novelty of this technology and post their shitty results. But there are also people who spend a lot of time on tuning their prompts, running the results through img2img several times and touching things up manually in Photoshop. They're spending real effort on getting good results.AI is making good art a lot more accessible for everyone, including artists. I could run a drawing of mine through it to see what lighting or background works well, without having to spend hours on doing it myself and still not getting close to the quality of ""real"" artists.People who have amazing ideas but lack the skills to draw them themselves finally have a tool that works for them.Also regarding sentience, this topic is so complex I don't even know where to begin, but I've made an interesting observation: The way this AI works isn't actually much different from us humans.Artists often use references and look up to other artists and adapt qualities from them in their own art. The way artist A draws scenery, the shading technique from B and C, and character designs from D -- of course not straight up copied and with clear boundaries, it all flows together as they see more art and feel inspired to adopt some qualities from it. This statement is true for me as well.Stable Diffusion was trained by looking at art as well. It doesn't have a database of every single picture. Instead it recognizes various concepts and puts them in some N-dimensional space -- it's memories. So one point in this space captures one concept it has seen in many different pictures. The prompt simply determines which of these concepts the AI will try to use (up to 75 with SD).Do you see the parallels? At least from my limited understanding, this doesn't seem much different from humans looking at pictures and recognizing shading, lighting, painting,... techniques and selectively using them in their own art.Anyway, this post became longer than I intended so I'll stop here. :drgn_flat_blep:
(DIR) Post #AO5w7zxm6N0o1bydRA by jbauer@merveilles.town
2022-09-30T15:28:40Z
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@volpeon That's not to say it's bad though.It can still be useful for generating concepts quickly or abstract art for blog post banners and stuff like that. It can make some cool and interesting stuff much faster than a human artist can. It's just not necessarily going to be as polished or detailed as what you can get from a human rn. Also, the variety of styles is limited and it takes quite a bit of computing power to train and generate images, which is concerning from an env standpoint.
(DIR) Post #AO5w81htcNUzQwYyxs by jbauer@merveilles.town
2022-09-30T15:40:49Z
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@volpeon Anyways that's just my current opinion... you have more experience with the AIrt than I do
(DIR) Post #AO5wwi4YNWXnJ5KRV2 by jbauer@merveilles.town
2022-09-30T16:06:30Z
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@volpeon Mhm, I do see the parallels. I was going to comment on it but 500 chars :drgn_flat_x_x:I think the issue is between AI art being the final product, and AI art then modified and tweaked by a human (basically using it as an assistance tool).AI art as the final product is not good and is basically similar to a child's crayon drawing in concept (not in style, obviously), whereas AI art as an assistance tool is valuable and useful to artists.
(DIR) Post #AO5xlm8b1WxYgRZNLs by jbauer@merveilles.town
2022-09-30T16:12:45Z
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@volpeon I suppose I can see the comparison to how painters felt with photography, where they thought it would take away all their work (when it didn't in the end)Now, people could become AI-based artists providing tailored prompts and more refined generated art. But I can also see how the artists panic that (e.g.) companies will just tell an article author to write a prompt for art for their article, and the artist is just cut out of the equation :/The biggest issue is capitalism :P
(DIR) Post #AO5xlmoQW0Q6mB8mYK by volpeon@mk.vulpes.one
2022-09-30T16:16:27.540Z
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@jbauer@merveilles.town The biggest issue is capitalism :PHaha, yes. :drgn_flat: Earlier today I wanted to write a post about how much I hate "this new invention will take away work from all these people" as a reason against progress because this is the fucking end goal of our inventions. Humans should be able to live their life with as little mandatory work as possible, and instead we use all of this progress to pile up more artificial work. This system is insanity
(DIR) Post #AO5zGyZIxLViAUVIAa by flip@merveilles.town
2022-09-30T16:24:44Z
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@volpeon @jbauer Yes, but also no... a new invention in the hands of corporations is a real problem as it makes it simpler to separate the workers from the means of production, so it comes down to how it will play out in realityLook at the Luddites and then at everything that's happened since then
(DIR) Post #AO64Ne65xuKCTZqCWW by flip@merveilles.town
2022-09-30T17:27:35Z
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@volpeon @jbauer and I don’t mean to be contrarian… I agree with you. But then it rarely seems to play out like it does Star Trek and it breaks my heart and workers’ rights