Post AO1CyqZseSFxuzfAXI by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
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(DIR) Post #AO18FpMFwLqRHsZGaW by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T08:20:20.893892Z
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For the love of fuck. Vienna.earth which made this glorious ad (link below) turned out to be yet another stupid start-up.https://shitposter.club/objects/f17b2891-f4ee-4c54-9fab-792f6efcc4deImagine complaining about how modern computers are shit and then looking to hire typescript and react devs :facepalm:
(DIR) Post #AO18MraA4K20DGQWnI by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-09-28T08:21:39.568083Z
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@newt return to postscript
(DIR) Post #AO18SjJ3kcdMHdE0fo by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T08:22:41.631153Z
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@newt smh not even javascript and vue
(DIR) Post #AO18VXlR7aijM1q83s by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T08:23:12.603971Z
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@icedquinn repeat after me:MARKUP LANGUAGES MUST NOT BE TURING COMPLETE, NOR MUST THEY ALLOW TURING COMPLETE LANGUAGES EMBEDDED INTO DOCUMENTS.:finger:
(DIR) Post #AO18YeSeg7NGzfXM5A by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T08:23:47.311241Z
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@hj regardless. If you complain about webshit, don't make more of it.
(DIR) Post #AO18YemrSzXO0KzUZs by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-09-28T08:23:47.985986Z
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@newt yea but NeWS is honestly less cursed than all this shit we have now
(DIR) Post #AO18llM2MQ9Q8Zh38i by vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch
2022-09-28T08:25:22.949347Z
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@newt > technology le bad> use anything but assembler or C
(DIR) Post #AO18yw1O0q4yz7Jasa by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T08:28:32.111391Z
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@vaartis screw you. Ada and ML are based!:comfygeek:
(DIR) Post #AO193eNT2VF9i9tLpw by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T08:29:22.530893Z
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@newt i don't see them complaining about webshit tho
(DIR) Post #AO199FoPHnyRGCAGVE by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T08:30:05.731115Z
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@hj the first half of that ad is partly that.
(DIR) Post #AO19BOFaso9Y0jtqCm by vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch
2022-09-28T08:29:51.250951Z
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@newt they may be based but they are rather complex, Ada especially
(DIR) Post #AO19HgpCjkMxM7YmrA by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T08:31:54.534978Z
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@newt that's your interpretation of it though, i mostly see the centralization and total domination by megacorporations there.
(DIR) Post #AO19JDQL1JvSkVelmq by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T08:32:11.046732Z
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@vaartis so is C, really. Except in C the complexity is hidden.
(DIR) Post #AO19KSgdl5iaNMsNO4 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2022-09-28T08:32:06.475920Z
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@newt @hj There is complaining and there is actually fixing things.The two of them don't really go together, most people are spineless.
(DIR) Post #AO19Nq0NWAgtZ6iafY by placholdr@pl.nulled.red
2022-09-28T08:32:15.553641Z
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@vaartis @newt as long as its aesthetic i wouldnt mind C or assembly
(DIR) Post #AO19QFz9tWqIilIjaq by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T08:33:26.962997Z
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@hj this too, although there's a segment with browser crap.Regardless, webshit owes a lot to modern corpos and their desire to fully control app distribution. Webshit is the epitome of this.
(DIR) Post #AO19RYp1LXrVQmBHXM by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T08:33:41.259267Z
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@lanodan @newt not to mention if technology is bad it doesn't mean we should throw it in the ocean and start over, we can still use it and mold it into something better.See: KDE, PleromaFE
(DIR) Post #AO19fNBHQMHtNhB94i by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T08:36:10.820829Z
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@hj @lanodan except sometimes we have to. I know that through the sheer power of weaponised autism, anything can be made to work. But is it really worth it?This oglaf is quite relevant.
(DIR) Post #AO19iF0SH1OQtfU0um by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2022-09-28T08:36:21.530542Z
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@newt @hj Also if that was supposed to be an ad… wtf.That's basically a meaningless meme with a slideshow of random computer-related photos and then "hey, here's an end card signature to our stuff"
(DIR) Post #AO19jQYgoB9X0z3suW by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T08:36:55.249387Z
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@newt again, that's your perception of it. If anything, webshit is a miracle that we have somewhat standartized thing, even if it's heading in bad direction once again. If it really was a corposhit we all would be stuck using Internet Explorer 2020 SP3 and DHTML with VBScript.I really think it's stupid hating on webshit like it's The Devil or something, gives the same vibe as hating the air because terrorists breathe it.
(DIR) Post #AO1A2DTJgk4rvgVXmK by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T08:40:18.822254Z
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@newt @lanodan >But is it really worth it?image.png
(DIR) Post #AO1A7D2mht3E3ATjSi by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T08:41:14.054751Z
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@lanodan @newt >look at what technology now>look at what technology then>visit usi also don't understand it tbh and what's the point.
(DIR) Post #AO1A9IAMdKlOW216ga by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T08:41:36.263877Z
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@hj webshit is far from being standardised. Rather, there is just one single implementation of it. Some sites don't work in Firefox, for one, even though Firefox supports all standards just to the same extent.But my problem with it is both conceptual and pragmatic in nature. The conceptual part is that we have documents that pretend to be applications, but don't allow to be distributed or run offline. The pragmatic part is that NPM is a disaster for the human race. Even though I managed to muster Haskell and other kinds of arcane computer sorcery, I totally failed at web development. I just can't get through the setup phase for the most webapps I tried to hack on.
(DIR) Post #AO1AG0ldihlCa6ekXg by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2022-09-28T08:42:28.926807Z
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@hj @newt To me it's as empty as their website. (I have JS disabled)
(DIR) Post #AO1AfL3fPt2ykfAJc0 by Lumeinshin@pleroma.skyshanty.xyz
2022-09-28T08:47:22.124657Z
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@hj @lanodan @newt but KDE and pleromaFE are shit
(DIR) Post #AO1AjrsNLHyph12lWa by vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch
2022-09-28T08:44:13.423643Z
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@newt Short answer: complex /= complicated, C is complicted but not complex, at least that's how I feelLong 🤓 answer: what i mean is, C is complicated, but not complex. There are a lot of corner cases and weird quirks and pointer aliasing and implicit type casting, but on the surface it does not look as complex. Ada in the meantime looks complex, and it is, because they kept adding more and more keywords for things, and maybe it would have been for the better if they added even more instead of reusing some that don't fit into the place they are used exactly, best I can remember is private and limited with which do things that don't match these keywrods at all, and "use type" which doesn't actually import a type, but only its operators. C is stupid easy on the surface because it was never meant to be complex, while Ada is complex even from the first glance because that's how they explicitly designed it to be, a lot of words and everything explicitly stated. And really, I'd rather write Ada than C, complex doesn't always mean bad, but Ada didn't get mainstream attention for a reason.
(DIR) Post #AO1Ak5lRhqkulZuQfQ by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T08:48:14.836315Z
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@Lumeinshin @lanodan @newt why do you have PleromaFE on your instance then?
(DIR) Post #AO1Amt9t1y6EXTftHU by Lumeinshin@pleroma.skyshanty.xyz
2022-09-28T08:48:44.570586Z
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@hj @lanodan @newt because I am a pigand i roll in shit
(DIR) Post #AO1AsrHou6IETEES12 by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-09-28T08:49:51.984632Z
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@newt @hj you've been able to run webapps offline since natively in the browser since 2010 if you properly abstracted your backend. In the last few years we've had service workers which does that abstraction for you.
(DIR) Post #AO1AszGLFTrdCxbNp2 by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T08:49:35.936035Z
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@vaartis no, C is exactly that: a very complex language. The complexity lies in the abstract machine that it requires, in pointer semantics, and all that stuff. It is actually very hard to implement correctly.
(DIR) Post #AO1B9VPzSk1bZPzY1o by placholdr@pl.nulled.red
2022-09-28T08:52:26.931749Z
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@hj @lanodan @newt "our vibes is better than your vibes"perfectly valid point to engage with your product imo 😤
(DIR) Post #AO1BDTLv5IwCK1ylpw by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T08:53:33.824407Z
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@Moon @hj how many programs actually support this? I know about PWAs, but they don't exactly seem practical.Some things that run on Electron can't even be run offline, even if technically they don't need internet access. A lot of electron apps in fact contain no application code in the distribution. They are just a stripped down chromium with a hardcoded url for default page.
(DIR) Post #AO1BLOILlwpGx95LwO by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-09-28T08:55:01.775435Z
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@vaartis @newt just for the sake of understanding you: complex versus complicated would be, say, clever or intelligent in its construction versus very hard to understand, or many different facets?
(DIR) Post #AO1BM3v50rAS38WMV6 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T08:55:06.711392Z
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@newt >Some sites don't work in Firefox, for one, even though Firefox supports all standards just to the same extent.mostly because firefox is rotting by now since mozilla is so busy complaining about injustice on twitter or whatever. It's standartized but there are quirks, there will ALWAYS be quirks since no two computers are the same, even Java has OS-related quirks (try using memory-mapped files on Windows) even though it's motto is "write once, run everywhere". Nothing is perfect.>The conceptual part >documents that pretend to be applicationsOh yeah and GUI applications are drawings that pretend to be applications>but don't allow to be distributed Visiting web page, and downloading it isn't enough?hell, it has much better chances of it working compared to Java Servlet/PHP websites>or run offline.You can make applications run offline, there's even two or three APIs (one of them is deprecated and removed) for that plus cache that was always a thing and should work offline.>The pragmatic part >NPM is a disaster for the human raceRiiiiight, it's sooo much worse than Ivy/Maven, CMake, GNU/Autotools, ./configure, cargo, and other tools.>I totally failed at web development. >I just can't get through the setup phase for the most webapps I tried to hack on.Lmao, npm and such is probably THE easiest package management. Webpack can be complicated. It is true that some stuff overcomplicates things, and that deployment can be tough, but usually local development is somewhat simple.Pardon me for memeing :assburger: but it really does seem like you have a skill issue.>I failed to mess with web project therefore webshit is bada6af00d87f567699cd41c4ec604831f…
(DIR) Post #AO1BMPonatDPy1kelU by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-09-28T08:55:12.956114Z
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@vaartis @newt respectively?
(DIR) Post #AO1Bh7OdHXDOuhNtFA by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T08:58:54.383555Z
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@hj npm is in fact worse than cargo. I can't remember cargo pulling pre-built binaries from the internet to build stuff on my computer. Meanwhile, any more or less complex Electron app downloads 7z during the build process. It's not NPM-as-a-tool problem. Rather, it's a cultural problem.Again, you seem to compare the web we have now with the old days of PHP or JSP. I don't. My point here rather is that a lot of websites could be native applications instead, but the latter is more expensive, since the desktop development stack is even more cursed than web.
(DIR) Post #AO1BkFL8CjgaQ1Epii by vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch
2022-09-28T08:58:44.720698Z
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@newt that's implementation complexity, which the user doesn't necessarily need to care about. What they see is "include pastes one file into another; ifdef checks if a macro exists; a macro replaces text; pointers break if you return from the function, unless you use malloc; functions copy their arguments, unless you pass them by pointer". In ada, it's a lot more complicated (and in the most modern languages too, because complicated isn't necessarily bad, if it's safer or adds functionality): with does not in fact just paste one file into another, but instead looks for the interface file and makes it available under the package name, depending on whether it's limited or private, it may also resolve mututally dependant types (limited) or actually only make the types accessible in the package body (private)macros aren't a thing at all in ada, so you have to either copy-paste or use generics, which are a whole another layer of complexity
(DIR) Post #AO1BlMobtdGTtQYqkS by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T08:59:40.372695Z
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@newt @Moon >how many programs actually support this?literally everything that doesn't have pragma: no-cache or has tiny cache TTL. You could run PleromaFE offline, but it won't be very useful like that because it needs to talk to backend.>Some things that run on Electron can't even be run offlineSo far only one electron app that didn't run offline for me was Flowdock, and that's solely because it's an unofficial wrap over their website, not a proper electron app. Most official electron apps that i've seen actually package the html/js needed to run. Unfortunately most of them rely on servers (skype, slack, riot), so it's not all that useful offline.>They are just a stripped down chromium with a hardcoded url for default page.and that hardcoded url is localhost or file:// usually.
(DIR) Post #AO1BoPW2JRhx8YKBXM by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-09-28T09:00:15.611297Z
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@newt @hj service workers makes it a lot better in the last few years. but I've been doing it since Google Gears in 2007. Economics is why almost nobody does offline mode. That and web developers are not top-tier software engineers.
(DIR) Post #AO1C24NThT8PdHpoI4 by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T09:02:31.212747Z
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@vaartis >the user doesn't necessarily need to care aboutIf by user here you mean the programmer, he actually does need to care about things like pointer semantics. I wrote about this many times, but a lot (most?) of C programmers don't know how to work with pointers. Did you know for example that comparing two non-NULL pointers is undefined behaviour? With the sole exception when these pointers point to objects in the same array.
(DIR) Post #AO1C4Ogx8yH7DO3Odc by dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com
2022-09-28T09:03:07.322031Z
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@newt @icedquinn > NOR MUST THEY ALLOW TURING COMPLETE LANGUAGES EMBEDDED INTO DOCUMENTS.*cough cough* Org Babel *cough cough*
(DIR) Post #AO1CLE7FiY2pKzNcw4 by vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch
2022-09-28T09:04:05.723440Z
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@newt > If by user here you mean the programmer, he actually does need to care about things like pointer semanticspointer semantics aren't something visible on the surface, they don't make the language complex (the language looks the same with or without them), they make it complicated (need to care if it's actually the right thing you're doing)
(DIR) Post #AO1CO27GmxRizQj67U by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:06:40.477962Z
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@newt >My point here rather is that a lot of websites could be native applications insteadoh, enjoy trying to get old native skype-for-linux to work on modern linux with wrong version of QT, and also enjoy it snooping on your ~/Documents and doing other spyware things like EGS does. No you can't get source for the program, and you have to accept EULA.Yeah I just want to shitpost, let me open up PleromaFE.exe oh no it doesn't work on windows because Windows 11 broke something, i swear it worked fine on Windows 10. Oh well at least I can fix it and recompile it, i need to wait until Twitter releases update for their Twitter.exe since that's been broken for months now. Oh, you use FreeBSD? Sorry, you're out of luck, try using wine to open Google.exeYeah right, i'm deprecating PleromaFE right here and right now, and instead building a Gleroma on GTK from scrach. What's that? You don't like GTK? Well build your own native application then. Oh and don't worry, i'm only snooping on your /etc/shadow just to make sure you're not a racist.laughing schoolgirls.gif
(DIR) Post #AO1CVQsx61itpwYe1o by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-09-28T09:08:02.700499Z
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@hj @Moon @newt >You could run PleromaFE offline, but it won't be very useful like that because it needs to talk to backend.it can defer that like scuttlebutt decides to
(DIR) Post #AO1CWchqdEoImvvozg by vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch
2022-09-28T09:06:41.979959Z
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@coyote @newt complex = harder to understand because of many different things in how it looks (ada, a lot of keywords and symbols that don't always make perfect sense), complicated = harder to understand because of many different things in how it actually works (C, a lot of obtuse inner working only someone who read the standard would know)
(DIR) Post #AO1CWdPnznyKzGUvVg by vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch
2022-09-28T09:07:24.836072Z
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@coyote @newt i'm not sure I'm using the right words for it, but that's how I understand it
(DIR) Post #AO1CYGOCZnha9XWZX6 by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T09:08:31.445246Z
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@hj this is exactly the problem I described. The desktop development is screwed big time, lacks backwards compatibility and portability.Although, I still run a lot of old windows app just fine.
(DIR) Post #AO1Ce358xwlicOMvAW by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-09-28T09:09:36.109180Z
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@dwaltiz @icedquinn @newt nothing wrong with properly-sandboxed turing completeness
(DIR) Post #AO1CgJQx8pOpuZeJbE by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-09-28T09:10:00.597411Z
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@vaartis @newt Honestly I'm overthinking it.
(DIR) Post #AO1CgVANWHGuIdzFQm by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-09-28T09:10:02.753672Z
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@hj @newt hot take qt aint native either
(DIR) Post #AO1Cj8046ksFJrPoUC by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:10:29.483080Z
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@opal @newt and GTK is also webshit>defining hotkeys in CSS
(DIR) Post #AO1Cwa358Qpq4jEzya by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T09:12:54.556265Z
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@vaartis @coyote so, what you mean is, Ada is larger and more vast. Although, it isn't that much larger than C, if you take the core language.
(DIR) Post #AO1Cy9tDMhAjWVNVCa by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:13:11.634046Z
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@newt >I can't remember cargo pulling pre-built binaries from the internet to build stuff on my computer.I vividly remember SWT/OSGI Java applications pulling native dlls and overall being a fucking pain in the ass and entire :saddam_hussein: body.>Meanwhile, any more or less complex Electron app downloads 7z during the build process.>it's a cultural problem.You could say that Electron is a subculture in the webshit. Don't equate it to other subsucltures like SPAs and Node CLI tools. It's like listening to Baby Metal and thinking thank all metal is exactly like that. Electron is made to make the "native" applications, to utilize part of that cursed desktop stack you mentioned, and as I said native development, especially when accessed from other environment (i.e. Java SWT, Electron, etc). It's like shit on top of shit on top of shit with a sprinkle of shit. Yeah the toilet is shitty, that's where shit goes, but the rest of the apartment is clean.
(DIR) Post #AO1CyqZseSFxuzfAXI by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-09-28T09:13:21.586286Z
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@hj @newt >still no decent filepicker>still no decent colourwheelJ U S T
(DIR) Post #AO1D9EgBtdxRZ3ZImW by vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch
2022-09-28T09:13:21.174815Z
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@newt @coyote I suppose Ada 83 wasn't as big, but nowadays it really is rather vast.
(DIR) Post #AO1DAKY3Ytr63WHlXk by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:15:24.599959Z
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@newt then I don't understand what you are complaining about and what do you want.>webshit bad>native/desktop even worseI have only two suggestionsa) continue going down this rabbit hole, discover that x86 and ARM bad, that silicon and copper are bad, that electricity is bad and technology bad and somehow reinvent entire thing from ground up all by your selfb) go outside and touch grass before they make touching grass illegal
(DIR) Post #AO1DDirpbKS4Lf9WWO by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T09:16:01.616538Z
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@hj Java is an abomination and its very own kind of hell, Mind you, before the webshit arose, everybody hated Java. You could even say that webshit is the Java of the modern age.I'm so glad I manage to avoid both in my career.
(DIR) Post #AO1DHa1KR33g4KQz0S by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:16:42.409345Z
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@Moon @newt >That and web developers are not top-tier software engineers.Except me. I'm top-tier.386e242aa485e4b7fa236ecdb49ad92…
(DIR) Post #AO1DJwsuOifTYmcpn6 by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T09:17:08.297055Z
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@hj oh welp.. how else are we supposed to figure out what exactly sucks in our tech?
(DIR) Post #AO1DOFsnhkEDdld1Bw by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:17:55.595913Z
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@newt we already figured it out.your opinion.your opinion sucks. it always does. doesn't matter who "you" are in the case, even.
(DIR) Post #AO1DQyojbuOPa61eoi by pipivovott@post.ebin.club
2022-09-28T09:18:25.774130Z
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@vaartis @newt i was learning Ada in uni for a while and it broke my brain a littleif you really hate webshit so much, just go for html+css like a normal person instead hurting yourself this way
(DIR) Post #AO1DW4f5JCR39fwPeC by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:19:20.325674Z
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@newt and everybody hates PHP and everybody hates x86 and everybody hates computers.if only people started working and improving things instead of constantly complaining. Especially about stuff that they don't even work with.29a5e824abfcb77685caaf7e3a01ef9…
(DIR) Post #AO1DYPoJeGyZKINKfQ by vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch
2022-09-28T09:09:55.558693Z
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@coyote @newt me too I think, I should do something useful instead of this
(DIR) Post #AO1DhlnJHanU78Mici by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T09:21:26.353605Z
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@hj that's not really a productive position, don't you think?If we go back to that vienna.earth thing, I'd rather see them try to re-imagine the better examples of tech that used to exist and adapt them to the current needs. Or at least, this is what their video would suggest.
(DIR) Post #AO1DkufajxUMVfFoAK by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:22:01.210935Z
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@Lumeinshin @lanodan @newt well at least you're enjoying it.
(DIR) Post #AO1Dqn4ftPpqgrmynY by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:23:04.857925Z
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@newt you're asking too much from con artists. :gigachad_smile:
(DIR) Post #AO1Dz2jnXbMDaNxXLE by Lumeinshin@pleroma.skyshanty.xyz
2022-09-28T09:24:33.415720Z
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@hj @lanodan @newt I was joking, I dont actually think pleromaFE is shit (for the most part :smugritsu: )KDE idk tho hehehe, I think a lot of my issues with it is package management related tho than anything else. PLEASE INSTALL THE WHOLE DE TO INSTALL KDENLIVE reeee
(DIR) Post #AO1E7gK8FFJCg04bke by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:26:07.905049Z
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@newt >that's not really a productive position, don't you think?yeah exactly, you just need to stop working so hard on conceiving opinions and hating on things, and start working on things instead. Things are bad, everyone knows it, now let's get back to making them better ffs.
(DIR) Post #AO1EPt0Jq1IBDUUE76 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:29:25.071323Z
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@Lumeinshin @lanodan @newt thanks. We're still working on improving it, albeit most of us are on break or sick rn.And yeah, i mean gnome is similar in that regards (install our entire de). I like KDE for its customizability and i'm very much inspired by it. It's also very user-friendly (at least compared to other things) and open to all usecases.
(DIR) Post #AO1ETMFJZe2KmG9jpw by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-09-28T09:30:04.016707Z
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@hj @newt >continue going down this rabbit holei already did>discover that x86 and ARM badyep but i have those devices lying around so i figure i'll try to run something cool on them because my time is cheaper than silicon at this point
(DIR) Post #AO1EeqU9U8xlkSZdoW by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-09-28T09:32:08.610971Z
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@hj @newt and it isnt like these are non-salvageable bases for computing. we had efficient software before, we can go back to that, at the Expense of Developer Time. oh the horror, finally have to hire someone more than a gazillion codemonkeys. good fucking riddance
(DIR) Post #AO1ElMgWgGuXLpTEBs by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:33:18.313951Z
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@opal @newt i currently have 3 ongoing hardware-software projects, might give you some ideas1) A tool that replaces discontinued paper card reader with NFC one for an arcade machine at arcade place i go to2) A complete replacement of "electrics" in my electric scooter to make it use better lights and use 12v instead of 60.3) Home automation stuffWhen life gives you shit - make a house out of it. Everybody loves building with brown bricks in minecrap :gadget:
(DIR) Post #AO1Et3drMlCebgtKl6 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:34:41.070223Z
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@opal @newt i mean there's always dead ends and false exits, even when lightning strikes the earth it has dead ends that don't go anywhere, but even lightning doesn't make a U turn to go way back to the sky and strike earth again in a different way
(DIR) Post #AO1Et8H09AtCyFEeK8 by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T09:34:08.428584Z
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@hj sometimes you just need to step back and figure whether the solution you're working on really solves the problem, rather than creating a whole plethora of its own. Wouldn't you agree?
(DIR) Post #AO1EwH7rgoRlINSbei by Lumeinshin@pleroma.skyshanty.xyz
2022-09-28T09:35:13.671200Z
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@hj @lanodan @newt Theres some little bits that need doing but its pretty much done imo, so take it easyI used to have lots of issues with KDE stuff, but its all been pretty decent lately software wise. Gnome is a FUCKING BLIGHTEVERY TIME I UPDATESOME FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT GNOME FAGGOT FUCKER RAPES IT OOOOOHOHHHHHHH ROUNDED CORNERSOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH SUPERSEDING MY WINDOW MANAGERREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEreally grinds my gears
(DIR) Post #AO1EzQLPs69UksIgLo by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:35:50.536311Z
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@newt yes, but you're not suggesting a step back, you're suggesting a massive leap back.It's like, we're aiming at the moon and we realize our course is a little bit off. I suggest we correct the course, you suggest let's go back to earth and try again.
(DIR) Post #AO1F1JuCmYV1MeTcJs by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:36:12.113990Z
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@Lumeinshin @lanodan @newt :cacopat:
(DIR) Post #AO1F5ekxCXvzBrDWkK by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T09:36:46.062334Z
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@hj what can I say? I like when certain things are massive.:blobcatcomfyuwu:
(DIR) Post #AO1FEbq7PmpwkatzLk by thatbrickster@shitposter.club
2022-09-28T09:38:37.526777Z
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@Lumeinshin My experiences include:>kubuntu breaking the desktop after an update>manjaro breaking device mounting after an update>arch (both DEs) not launching programs after an updateI'd use Fedora but it requires a lot of setup to get it the way I want. The lack of AUR hurts me too since I'm a noob at running `make install`.@lanodan @hj @newt
(DIR) Post #AO1FNug8k0hLmjffP6 by vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch
2022-09-28T09:39:07.014514Z
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@pipivovott @newt ada is very stupid in a lot of places but i like it, I think it's neat. I don't care about the web much, if I do something it's always JS+Vue and I always use that, because it usually just works.
(DIR) Post #AO1FOSoTpVZVeRpo7k by 0@collapsitarian.io
2022-09-28T09:40:24.387645Z
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@newt @hj the boards are neatbottom text
(DIR) Post #AO1Fjz2RDFNNg2cn5M by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T09:44:15.297009Z
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@newt2e0ba624e559ce7a727c3cf1d44b93a…
(DIR) Post #AO1HQFGnM1ek8R3WtM by pipivovott@post.ebin.club
2022-09-28T10:03:07.550003Z
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@vaartis @newt yeah, too bad the only time i tried it out was when i used it with webpack (also could not figure out dependency stuff, was using npm for like the second time ever) and that shit hurted
(DIR) Post #AO1HWGKaK1JlAChK5I by vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch
2022-09-28T10:03:07.046514Z
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@pipivovott @newt i try not to bother with weback and just let it do whatever the default thing is, so far it worked for me
(DIR) Post #AO1MMLdKFk4eU1YUoi by ic3l9@post.ebin.club
2022-09-28T10:52:38.034296Z
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@newt @hj >the desktop development stack is even more cursed than web.only if you develop for freetards and macfagswindows development using microsoft's tools has always been easy, especially for the basic stuff that is usually done with electron these daysand at least on loonux you can get the same convenience with mono, people just choose to ignore it because they'd rather bloat everything with html rendering than use something made by microshaft
(DIR) Post #AO1MMM9EL7aw4yTyXw by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T10:58:23.549341Z
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@ic3l9 @hj are gtkforms still supported? Because while Mono certainly works, the gui part is lacking. I'd rather opt for Qt.
(DIR) Post #AO1MhbpzCXKkoxcDXE by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-09-28T11:02:15.746992Z
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@ic3l9 @newt delphi 7 my beloved
(DIR) Post #AO1Mle5CnK3MwYetxw by ic3l9@post.ebin.club
2022-09-28T11:01:25.744527Z
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@newt @hj do Qt or gtkforms have a graphical editor?
(DIR) Post #AO1MleUNHkBcCcR0CG by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T11:02:59.260594Z
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@ic3l9 @hj for the UI? Qt does. Also, Qt allows importing from Figma. And I think there even was a photoshop plugin.
(DIR) Post #AO1MmeGLbznzn4LfwO by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-09-28T11:03:12.163024Z
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@hj @ic3l9 @newt > lazarus:blobcat3c:
(DIR) Post #AO1N19S8RcP8ZxmHcu by ic3l9@post.ebin.club
2022-09-28T11:03:32.324944Z
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@newt @hj >photoshop pluginokay that's insane but also insanely based
(DIR) Post #AO1N87segkIxjJVYwK by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T11:07:03.420980Z
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@ic3l9 @hj yes, check this out.https://doc.qt.io/qtdesignstudio/psqtbridge.html
(DIR) Post #AO1Q4YARJQjbxeoSsi by pipivovott@post.ebin.club
2022-09-28T11:40:03.383142Z
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@vaartis @newt yeah, that's what im doing with angular for work right now, its comfy
(DIR) Post #AO1p7KRuyMb4xcyCwa by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2022-09-28T16:20:14.458026Z
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@Lumeinshin @hj @newt Well distros also tend to be trigger happy on dependencies.install evince on FreeBSD in an Xfce environment? Get half of gnome!
(DIR) Post #AO2OPtONI7yqwTtrYO by scathach@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T22:46:16.365577Z
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@newt @icedquinn I disagree on this one. When you really think about it, the problem of formatting and typesetting a document (ie, arranging elements on a 2-d canvas) is a subset of the problem of designing a GUI program, so it makes a great deal of sense to design markup languages to be Turing complete. Part of why i think making web pages feels so much less shitty than doing native GUI development is because the HTML/CSS/JS mess is the first mainstream tech stack to reflect thisWhat would be really cool though is if there was a TeX-like markup language (I'd prefer a Common Lisp DSL) for typesetting documents and building GUI applications that could compile to native code or be fetched over the network to run in a sandbox.
(DIR) Post #AO2OPu1Mx9AktQ90Km by placholdr@pl.nulled.red
2022-09-28T22:51:07.254017Z
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@scathach @icedquinn @newt that sounds like a interesting project to maybe try to do.remind me in a year for if you want to know any progress 🥴
(DIR) Post #AO2OPuOlY9t63z5gno by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-09-28T22:56:10.011123Z
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@placholdr @scathach @newt sun did it and it was called NeWS
(DIR) Post #AO2Of5BVjHPVrN7tHk by scathach@stereophonic.space
2022-09-28T22:57:51.621950Z
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@icedquinn @placholdr @newt I'd love to meet the lunatic who thought it would be a good idea to build an entire windowing system with Postscript
(DIR) Post #AO2Of5jBi4LhXosmmG by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-09-28T22:58:56.972531Z
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@scathach @newt @placholdr works surprisingly well
(DIR) Post #AO2mBLNJMq4uHlzx0i by placholdr@pl.nulled.red
2022-09-28T22:58:44.149817Z
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@scathach @icedquinn @newt lisp rots your brain and makes you believe anything possible.