Post ANPPCsYM5v29Hfrb9s by orekix@shitposter.club
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(DIR) Post #ANPP30rgKwqyAOCOJc by meeper@outerheaven.club
2022-09-10T03:29:31.554445Z
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Loonix would be 10 times better if they literally swapped out gnu coreutils with bsd ones
(DIR) Post #ANPPAqDPobPtSF661g by orekix@shitposter.club
2022-09-10T03:30:57.954876Z
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@meeper I wonder how much stuff would break because sh is bash in a bunch of distros
(DIR) Post #ANPPCsYM5v29Hfrb9s by orekix@shitposter.club
2022-09-10T03:31:19.907611Z
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@meeper I know bash isn't part of coreutils but I guess you would replace that too
(DIR) Post #ANPPDxsXmNzc5gpAQa by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2022-09-10T03:31:30.916653Z
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@meeper GNU coreutils are the best you can get, as they're the fastest ones.GNU isn't just limited to the coreutils mind you, GNU contains far more software - the coreutils is just one package.
(DIR) Post #ANPPLINlwgjPi0vW8O by meeper@outerheaven.club
2022-09-10T03:32:50.081141Z
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@orekix Bash would be bash not /bin/sh if your shell script is /bin/sh on Linux it should be POSIXishDoesnt debian use dash as its default shell
(DIR) Post #ANPPMnzDvawq16AEvA by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2022-09-10T03:33:07.000008Z
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@orekix I softlink /bin/sh to be dash and yes it did break a few ebuilds for me, but none recently.
(DIR) Post #ANPPOTky75L9r0IK8m by ink8@the9thcircle.club
2022-09-10T03:32:57.610Z
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@meeper@outerheaven.club you know, nobody's forcing you to use those other than the distro maintainersbesides of course, the binary incompatibility, you can replace GNU core utilities with other implementations. this is probably not standard just because we depend on them as a standard due to their widespread use. if these programs don't behave like we expect, half of the userspace would fall apartbut the alternatives do mostly behave how you'd expect if i'm not mistaken, so you could maybe try and report back
(DIR) Post #ANPPZjhZAbMGUa4SkC by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2022-09-10T03:35:26.822636Z
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@meeper >if your shell script is /bin/sh on Linux it should be POSIXishLinux has nothing to do with the shell, so I'm not sure why you even mentioned it.What makes you think that it should be POSIXsh?bash can indeed handle POSIX sh, so there's nothing wrong with softlinking /bin/sh to bash, but it's wrong to assume /bin/sh is bash and use non-POSIX shell commands.
(DIR) Post #ANPQKbnkMQzpbHJQpc by meeper@outerheaven.club
2022-09-10T03:43:54.529281Z
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@Suiseiseki I suppose for grep and find being faster matter much more but bsd are much more simpler and don't infodump on the manpage or help outputGNU apparently doesn't realize how important this isI and several people avoided using some commands because the gnu manual or help was impossible to read.In fact busybox's help output was much more usefulIf I ever forget the syntax of a command I rather run busybox to get the help output instead of the manpage because of this.Also gnu often just adds several redundant extensions or aliases, at least significantly more than bsds which just makes the prior problem much more significant.Also is gnu source code is generally just much worse and navigating it is much more diffcultGnu and bsds both are free, it's just that gnu misses important points of usability for dumb reasonsHaving tools be simpler to understand is very important and bsds seem commited to good manpages while gnu just tosses them aside as it appearsAlso I havent even touched on the man-info debacle(if your manpages are already such an infodump why does info even exist)
(DIR) Post #ANPQWNrC21VRpMXUYK by meeper@outerheaven.club
2022-09-10T03:46:02.194568Z
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@Suiseiseki scripts with #!/bin/sh on most Linux systems are posix as a convention bash scripts are rather called as #!/bin/bash
(DIR) Post #ANPQaKaK8gaSpzWym0 by meeper@outerheaven.club
2022-09-10T03:46:45.321657Z
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@ink8 I'm thinking of trying out gentoo with bsdutils
(DIR) Post #ANPR0IViTRXFvvl27E by meeper@outerheaven.club
2022-09-10T03:51:26.753990Z
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@racemus @orekix I meant default as what's /bin/sh lolI forgot about user defaults as I generally end up changing them myself
(DIR) Post #ANPS4KQHPDlmychV20 by meeper@outerheaven.club
2022-09-10T04:03:23.492718Z
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@racemus @ink8 I don't mind keeping the shell mostly the same tbh
(DIR) Post #ANPSRkXaSyMsdlHq0e by meeper@outerheaven.club
2022-09-10T04:07:36.969675Z
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@Suiseiseki Also I'm exaggerating because of frusturationGnu's commitment to bad design or documentation always stings
(DIR) Post #ANPSmmfpjNmJKxApu4 by jollyrogue@social.tulsa.ok.us
2022-09-10T04:08:18Z
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@meeper @GNUxeava They should write their own coreutils and quit using other people’s coreutils.
(DIR) Post #ANPT0c4bwJoQVyME0O by meeper@outerheaven.club
2022-09-10T04:13:54.733471Z
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@jollyrogue @GNUxeava I think one of the linux devs has stated that they genuinely think that the bsd way of in house development of the userspace is better
(DIR) Post #ANPjfWEo8hPrYVecsa by jollyrogue@social.tulsa.ok.us
2022-09-10T07:14:30Z
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@meeper @GNUxeava They replaced ifconfig with iptools because iptools was coupled with the kernel, so….I think the BSDs have the better idea about being a cohesive OS, but I’m biased.
(DIR) Post #ANPjfWjIJLnp53uyOm by meeper@outerheaven.club
2022-09-10T07:20:34.037790Z
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@jollyrogue @GNUxeava I agree with that