Post ANKQGeempZcRVXR7Fg by neglesaks@mstdn.io
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(DIR) Post #ANKBEDoUAI5oMWM3gu by theruran@hackers.town
2022-09-07T14:54:08Z
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Facebook Engineers: We Have No Idea Where We Keep All Your Personal Datahttps://theintercept.com/2022/09/07/facebook-personal-data-no-accountability/
(DIR) Post #ANKBEEPhvtroDxlmi0 by theruran@hackers.town
2022-09-07T14:57:58Z
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[Court-appointed special master] Garrie was attempting to get the company to provide an exhaustive, definitive accounting of where personal data might be stored in some 55 Facebook subsystems. Both veteran Facebook engineers, with according to LinkedIn two decades of experience between them, struggled to even venture what may be stored in Facebook’s subsystems. “I’m just trying to understand at the most basic level from this list what we’re looking at,” Garrie asked.“I don’t believe there’s a single person that exists who could answer that question,” replied Eugene Zarashaw, a Facebook engineering director. “It would take a significant team effort to even be able to answer that question.”
(DIR) Post #ANKBEEwJydxFr71pXk by theruran@hackers.town
2022-09-07T14:58:42Z
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When asked about how Facebook might track down every bit of data associated with a given user account, Zarashaw was stumped again: “It would take multiple teams on the ad side to track down exactly the — where the data flows. I would be surprised if there’s even a single person that can answer that narrow question conclusively.”
(DIR) Post #ANKBEFTI04KHVMS9vk by theruran@hackers.town
2022-09-07T14:59:35Z
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In the March 2022 hearing, Zarashaw and Steven Elia, a software engineering manager, described Facebook as a data-processing apparatus so complex that it defies understanding from within. The hearing amounted to two high-ranking engineers at one of the most powerful and resource-flush engineering outfits in history describing their product as an unknowable machine.
(DIR) Post #ANKCk0rjwGrpQXbGaW by theruran@hackers.town
2022-09-07T15:01:35Z
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“Someone must have a diagram that says this is where this data is stored,” [the special master] said, according to the transcript. Zarashaw responded: “We have a somewhat strange engineering culture compared to most where we don’t generate a lot of artifacts during the engineering process. Effectively the code is its own design document often.” He quickly added, “For what it’s worth, this is terrifying to me when I first joined as well.”Bold of him to assume "most" software firms do any better.
(DIR) Post #ANKCk1F8XHaAb6Xx3Y by theruran@hackers.town
2022-09-07T15:02:47Z
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There is no documentation of what happens to your data once it’s uploaded, because that’s just never been something the company does, the two explained. “It is rare for there to exist artifacts and diagrams on how those systems are then used and what data actually flows through them,” explained Zarashaw.
(DIR) Post #ANKQGeempZcRVXR7Fg by neglesaks@mstdn.io
2022-09-07T17:49:39Z
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@theruran Behold, the horrors of your own creation!
(DIR) Post #ANKQNHzDW9AdDv9jeq by theruran@hackers.town
2022-09-07T17:01:24Z
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there you have it, folks! zero documentation and zero engineering design artifacts is good enough for 'the best and the brightest' at one of the richest, most advanced software companies in the world, it ought to be good enough for the rest of us. /s
(DIR) Post #ANKQNIWBXZXesAa42q by neglesaks@mstdn.io
2022-09-07T17:50:48Z
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@theruran And they want ME to DOCUMENT my code?!
(DIR) Post #ANKQRAfMfxULg8imfo by suetanvil@mastodon.technology
2022-09-07T16:11:56Z
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@theruran This doesn't surprise me.Given access to the power Facebook has, a good person (or organization) would either try to destroy it or find ways to nullify it while a bad person would use it to gain power for themselves.Facebook... puts it in their ad API at standard pricing rates?!?!?Zuck isn't just evil. He's *stupid*.
(DIR) Post #ANKQRBCgg48xLUJOc4 by neglesaks@mstdn.io
2022-09-07T17:51:32Z
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@suetanvil @theruran An accidental Emperor.
(DIR) Post #ANKb2ihm5933VLOMRk by nytpu@tilde.zone
2022-09-07T19:50:22Z
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@neglesaks Well duh, how else are their engineers supposed to ~rip it off~ ♥️ open source?@theruran