Post AN7Ky4XMm82oPWsWaO by dushnygik@mstdn.social
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 (DIR) Post #AKkKAbVgDAJDpVN1E0 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
       2022-06-22T12:06:49Z
       
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       đŸ˜© Summary of my emails with Xencelabs, PicassoTab, Huion, XpPen, Artisul and UGEE: it's hopeless. 😅
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkKEgb5EtxYlWqPGy by mmu_man@m.g3l.org
       2022-06-22T12:08:15Z
       
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       @davidrevoy non you don't want to ask for a driver. You want to ask for the specifications so you can find someone to write a proper driver.Specifications are part of the user manual.cf. https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmu_man/2021-10-04_ok_lenovo_we_need_to_talk/
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkKYtb4cFSisLTaiW by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
       2022-06-22T12:11:51Z
       
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       @mmu_man xD I'll try. But I'm not sure I can review their tablet on my channel or my blog with a set of specifications in hands. 😆
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkLKuG5SYYYpLYMoi by drq@mastodon.ml
       2022-06-22T12:20:34Z
       
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       @davidrevoy drivers have literally zero reason to be proprietary.They are only meant to be used with certain devices THAT YOU'VE BOUGHT!!! Making source code of a driver visible won't help you make a new device and infringe on patents or what not.And even if one driver also works for another device of the same category, SO FUCKING WHAT THEN? It's not like anybody lost anything as the result.So what is the point of proprietary drivers? There's none!
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkLTJd90lZLpjLdaa by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
       2022-06-22T12:22:06.675756Z
       
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       @drq @davidrevoy >So what is the point of proprietary drivers? There's none!>So what is the point of proprietary drivers?>So what is the point of proprietaryMonopoly.
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkLxfVmDpvYNsNKOO by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
       2022-06-22T12:27:31Z
       
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       @drq Yeah... Telemetry. Wacom was already caught hands full in the honey pot: https://robertheaton.com/2020/02/05/wacom-drawing-tablets-track-name-of-every-application-you-open/ .It made top news of many tech website https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wacom-tablet-sending-data-google-analytics and had to publish apologies and fix it (by adding option for consent, of course). I guess it is the same here. Brands wants to know who use their driver, for what, how long... I would probably advice someone installing their driver to put the executable behind a strong firewall rule.
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkOMytbUMKleRiZE0 by mmu_man@m.g3l.org
       2022-06-22T12:54:34Z
       
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       @davidrevoy it takes more time, but at least you can write the driver the way you want.
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkPrl2LAN3nbE2lQ8 by srestegosaurio@plr.inferencium.net
       2022-06-22T12:29:41.382596Z
       
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       @davidrevoy @drq Wait, the wacom driver has telemtry? D:
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkPrlTzVZB6yyyqWG by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
       2022-06-22T12:34:55Z
       
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       @srestegosaurio @drq  On proprietary O.S; it looks like, yes. The article of  Robert Heaton concludes the system was reactivated after the shitstorm.No telemetry on libwacom , xf86-input-wacom and input-wacom on GNU/Linux for sure; these are open-source projects and Free/Libre.
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkPu5DJ7VOYkwHYVU by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
       2022-06-22T13:11:46.549539Z
       
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       @davidrevoy @srestegosaurio @drq I'm waiting for my Wayland compositor to add support for libwacom, can't wait.
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkPvcdqJy4IikQaYa by sivar@mastodon.social
       2022-06-22T12:43:56Z
       
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       @davidrevoy I've thought about getting #artisul tablet as replacement for my ancient #wacom. How it's doing under #linux? What distro do you use? :)
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkPvdWR2zjlS3yBeK by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
       2022-06-22T13:06:13Z
       
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       @sivar Hey, no idea. I refused the hardware for a review because they came back with a proprietary driver. So, I never tested. Right now, I'm using: https://www.davidrevoy.com/article913/fedora-36-kde-spin-for-a-digital-painting-workstation-reasons-and-post-install-guide
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkQYrBcB68P7kvtqK by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
       2022-06-22T13:17:22Z
       
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       @straw @drq @srestegosaurio I thought it already had, like, since years (one of the first thing made on Gnome3 on Wayland). But anyway; with Mypaint broken on Wayland and Krita having trouble and bugs to run as a XWayland app, it has not a lot of point for painters to move to Wayland right now.
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkQYrg6LkWMeJCFMW by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
       2022-06-22T13:19:07.693747Z
       
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       @davidrevoy @drq @srestegosaurio is Krita broken when running not on XWayland native? it was ironically always broken on KDE for me, the menu bar didn't show up so I couldn't export images.I use labwc, which is a small wlroots-based compositor, which can receive wacom input but doesn't do anything with it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkQawi0cHhEpa55kG by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
       2022-06-22T13:19:31.164235Z
       
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       @davidrevoy @drq @srestegosaurio when running on Wayland native*
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkXPnYb0AqiwOJGPA by psychicferret@mastodon.art
       2022-06-22T13:42:54Z
       
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       @davidrevoy xp pen have a Linux driver already
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkXPoUjW1LzqhVh1U by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
       2022-06-22T14:35:18Z
       
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       @psychicferret Heu... I "know" : they made it for my video review https://www.davidrevoy.com/article842/review-of-the-xp-pen-artist-24-pro-on-linux . But it is "closed source" and not open-source and libre as I asked them. That's the point of this meme. I have same situation and pattern repeating again with other brands... ...
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkXbwCegJibEOpsFU by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
       2022-06-22T14:37:06Z
       
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       @straw On X11, it works fine; but depends the package. Appimage has all the patched Qt and fine tuned library version to get the less bug on it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkYaDqEEQpjJJ5kG0 by drq@mastodon.ml
       2022-06-22T14:49:00Z
       
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       @davidrevoy I'm naĂŻve, I know, but shouldn't this be just malware and therfore illegal then?
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkYgc6YvxCAIdmNhA by drq@mastodon.ml
       2022-06-22T14:50:10Z
       
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       @davidrevoy I'm naĂŻve, I know, but shouldn't this be just malware and therefore illegal then?
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkYsaxN1qJuDIC21Q by drq@mastodon.ml
       2022-06-22T14:52:20Z
       
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       @davidrevoy(And btw, telemetry in and of itself is not a mortal sin. Whereas enabling it by default without the slightest notice, in my book, should be)
       
 (DIR) Post #AKkZknqVK4sJpHpVRY by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
       2022-06-22T15:02:05Z
       
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       @drq Yes, it was malware/illegal (at least in today's world Europe with RGPD, and bypassing user consent). But on Twitter, someone pointed me that now Wacom ask at install, but the sentence let think the hardware will function worst without accepting it; and the button to reject is difficult to find (a dark pattern). This , and a ToS and a "I accept" when user just install and want to benefit of their hardware makes it possible legally now.
       
 (DIR) Post #AKlVZ2yb2LMkcRiIqG by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2022-06-23T01:49:52.075041Z
       
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       @davidrevoy Eh? Even XP-Pen?Well at least mine just works since it's supported in the linux kernel.
       
 (DIR) Post #AKle7xZZuz3jd4AcN6 by meejah@mastodon.social
       2022-06-23T03:25:49Z
       
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       @drq @davidrevoy Proprietarians going to think propietarily by default :((_Constantly_ have to have this conversation at an ostensibly "open first" company ...)
       
 (DIR) Post #AKllDeAffK92s9B9pA by darrenpmeyer@infosec.exchange
       2022-06-23T04:45:16Z
       
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       @drq @davidrevoy @alcinnz I'm convinced most drivers are proprietary so there's no smoking gun demonstrating their slapdash construction
       
 (DIR) Post #AKlwQ2ZsuqmVPA0EZE by LovesTha@floss.social
       2022-06-23T06:50:46Z
       
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       @drq @davidrevoy Sometimes the driver is doing interesting things that give a competitive advantage.I don't like it but it happens.
       
 (DIR) Post #AKmtnxc0vMs6FXfmSG by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
       2022-06-23T09:33:03Z
       
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       @lanodan Yes, even Xp-Pen... I know them well because we were partner for a sponsored review/video. I asked them a FLOSS driver, and it was them among the first to comeback with a proprietary (Qt based) driver. In my video review, I rant about it https://www.davidrevoy.com/article842/review-of-the-xp-pen-artist-24-pro-on-linuxFor your XpPen on Linux, it means your distribution ship the kernel module Digimend, a community project maintained by a single dev, in a long pause right now ( look at the date of last commits https://github.com/DIGImend/digimend-kernel-drivers ,and PR)
       
 (DIR) Post #AKmtnyGQV7CKGsa3Rg by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2022-06-23T17:56:10.217890Z
       
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       @davidrevoy Nah, the XP-Pen Deco 1 (basic one, no funny things like a display) is supported out of the box without any additional drivers.cf. USB_DEVICE_ID_UGEE_XPPEN_TABLET_DECO01 inhttps://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux.git/tree/drivers/hid/hid-uclogic-core.c
       
 (DIR) Post #AKmuKt4GqBCViDafMO by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
       2022-06-23T18:01:32Z
       
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       @lanodan I see. It looks like I stand corrected. Thank you for taking the time to point the driver's code in the source of the kernel itself. I had no idea it was possible! That's pretty cool for these tablets 🙂
       
 (DIR) Post #AKmuP0nS2zrEqBgqga by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2022-06-23T18:02:53.501059Z
       
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       @davidrevoy Well I did the digging before buying it, I heard some folks saying it had support out of the box and I wanted to be sure.
       
 (DIR) Post #AKn3g6diTYF3TNMXo0 by post@qoto.org
       2022-06-22T22:09:24Z
       
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       @davidrevoy that's really some dedication to help minorities with captions!
       
 (DIR) Post #AKn3g7byrURoUHYfjs by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
       2022-06-22T22:19:18Z
       
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       @post â˜ș  I met (thanks to signing sessions) followers with vision impairment or deficiencies. I learned about Braille Devices, and small tips on the web that makes their life easier. They have a fantastic ability to workaround website and situations; but they shouldn't be the one who does the extra effort. With all of that at mind, I can take a little time for adding captions. Thank you for noticing!
       
 (DIR) Post #AKnFM4T42WCGOZapwO by kiikoku@freespeechextremist.com
       2022-06-23T21:57:43.045254Z
       
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       @drq @davidrevoy > drivers have literally zero reason to be proprietary.> They are only meant to be used with certain devices THAT YOU'VE BOUGHT!!! Look at this retard.Retard, do you know what an egg is? The thing that comes out of a chicken? Sort of like a large white pebble? Well, now imagine a proprietary egg. You’re now holding something shapeless, a dark foggy substance, in which you can see something resembling a mini-galactic. What you see has nothing to do with what’s inside it, but it’s made to appear so in order to create an impression of importance and complexity in the customer’s mind. You can feel the weight of that “egg” in your palm, but you can’t feel its shape. Your fingers hit a gravitational force that meddles with your perception the harder, the stronger you try to press on the dark substance. Someone stronger than you can probably press it more, but even that person could never be able to figure its real shape or dimensions.At home you have a fridge. A usual fridge, where on the back of the door you have that egg holder thing with 8 round holes. Now you try to put the dark substance into that holder, but it falls out of it for some reason. The fuck? Okay, you read some advice online, shake the substance three times then screw it in on the invisible threads. And it looks like it’s now sitting in place, though you can’t say for sure, because the edges of the dark substance are fog. You close the fridge.The next day you think of making fried eggs, you open your fridge and see the dark substance attempting to kill your cat with a knife. You catch the “egg”, let the cat out, take the knife and break the “egg” to a bowl – only to find out, that only a half of the white and the yolk are coming out. Wtf? Now you can’t make your favourite sunny side up eggs, as the yolk is split. And that’s leaving aside the fact, that you’ve paid the full price for the food, but got to eat only a part of the expected amount.Now try to convince me, that I have to buy a Dark Substanceℱ fridge and a Dark Substanceℱ knife. ­【ă‚șăƒ«äŒ‘ăżăźă‚łăƒ„ă€‘æ‚Șă„ć„ŽăŻă ă„ăŸă„ć‹é”ć-DM0isxqj3IE 00:00:33.567.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AKnnuLp9PemIVoRR2m by meowski@fluf.club
       2022-06-24T04:24:46.812070Z
       
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       @kiikoku @davidrevoy @drq  the post you responded to with this word salad makes perfect sense. lay off the bong
       
 (DIR) Post #AKo86tWpvL9XbT8M88 by kiikoku@freespeechextremist.com
       2022-06-24T08:11:15.028671Z
       
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       @meowski @davidrevoy @drq > one faggot getting angry on behalf of anotherLike clockwork. ­a4c1687176dedbadd8469216f9338dd08faed79d5f920eae50ea4ce22d692ac4.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AKoEuVxaQOTsi8goy0 by kiikoku@freespeechextremist.com
       2022-06-24T09:27:26.912737Z
       
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       @meowski @davidrevoy @drq Wait, I’ve read it thoroughly and finally see. Sometimes the retard is I. That said, I’m sorry for calling anyone here a faggot. ­kaityo_2016-07-22_13-41-00.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AKoGMVRy0wj7BwoMNc by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
       2022-06-24T09:43:42.286428Z
       
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       @kiikoku @davidrevoy @drq @meowski thanks for the warning about the formless mass though, i'll try to keep it away from the cat
       
 (DIR) Post #AKoI7Hhl2KWa7s4CIK by kiikoku@freespeechextremist.com
       2022-06-24T10:03:22.263441Z
       
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       @hakui @davidrevoy @drq @meowski[Live-eviL]_Hori-san_to_Miyamura-kun_OVA_03_[DVD][10bit][AE3BB171] 00:05:20.071.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AN7Kw8hqIv7elGrCFs by dushnygik@mstdn.social
       2022-09-01T10:18:36Z
       
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       @drq @davidrevoy > Making source code of a driver visible won't help you make a new device and infringe on patents or what not.Wrong. Drivers work closely with their hardware and may contain protocol details, the hardware descriptions or even parts of firmware which may give a hint to reverse engineers. The latter is especially sensitive in the modern age of SDH, when the firmware may *be* the hardware as such.
       
 (DIR) Post #AN7Ky4XMm82oPWsWaO by dushnygik@mstdn.social
       2022-09-01T10:18:59Z
       
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       @drq @davidrevoy > Making source code of a driver visible won't help you make a new device and infringe on patents or what not.Wrong. Drivers work closely with their hardware and may contain protocol details, hardware descriptions or even parts of firmware which may give a hint to reverse engineers. The latter is especially sensitive in the modern age of SDH, when the firmware may *be* the hardware as such.