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(DIR) Post #AMzC3KddtwxhdtnY0m by Eden@weirder.earth
2022-08-27T14:34:57Z
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Some beliefs demand they will be right eventually - they say that if you maintain this belief - eventually the world will right itself. This can be in the face of the your world becoming worse the longer you hold it!The beliefs don't explain why the world will eventually become better, but they promise it.
(DIR) Post #AMzC3LUoiFUqIog0tU by Eden@weirder.earth
2022-08-27T14:35:46Z
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If I have a trans child, and I refuse to support them, the child will grow to resent me.I might believe that eventually I'll be shown to be right, the child will love me, they'll see I only acted in their best interests. The beliefs don't explain this moment, they just promise it. The only way to continue is to invest more heavily in those ideas, let that day come quicker.
(DIR) Post #AMzC3LtdDzLVXmHpZY by Eden@weirder.earth
2022-08-27T14:37:39Z
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I'm beginning a fervent believer that any set of beliefs that promises a day of justice or judgement or vindication - without explaining how you'll get there - should be cast out immediately. There's definitely tough things in life! Studying for exams has a day of vindication. But there's a direct line between studying, good results, and vindicating that work. These beliefs don't have that. They have faith.
(DIR) Post #AMzC3MKDd8c4sEj40u by Eden@weirder.earth
2022-08-27T14:42:46Z
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What they all have in common is a continuous feeling of internal discomfort for those beliefs alongside a social demand to double down on them. You feel that what you are doing is *wrong*, and can only push forward by increasing your belief. Studying for exams does not (typically) produce internal distress, a belief that you are doing something wrong. Pushing your child away does. Every time. You have to justify that, to minimise that feeling
(DIR) Post #AMzC3MrBeYz6WU9OOu by Eden@weirder.earth
2022-08-27T14:50:49Z
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What gives me hope here is that this represents a way out for those TERFs. Positive examples in media of trans children and their parents would be an escape hatch. An example that they can keep their relationship with their child, this isn't the end! Representations in real life, too. Just eventually they'll see the examples that they can still have the relationships they wanted, they don't need the GC views.
(DIR) Post #AMzC3NJXx7fZwRQ2bY by saxnot@chaos.social
2022-08-28T11:53:29Z
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@Eden i've looked up "GC" on urban dictionary but I still have no idea what it means
(DIR) Post #AMzC3Nj4QE5PDbMQO8 by shebang@freespeech.group
2022-08-28T12:01:21.014835Z
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@saxnot @Eden gender critical.
(DIR) Post #AMzC3XQeLZIFJMor44 by saxnot@chaos.social
2022-08-28T12:00:50Z
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@Eden I think i figured it out."GC" is perhaps "Group Chat" and it's used here in the sense of "people who are walled off from reality".
(DIR) Post #AMzC3cubxbEMJjsLxY by Eden@weirder.earth
2022-08-28T09:41:06Z
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Also love that I discussed this with my partner, who was immediately like"You studied for exams?! I absolutely didn't"
(DIR) Post #AMzC3eRyF3Vd5UUVay by Eden@weirder.earth
2022-08-28T11:18:20Z
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What's weird about this though, is that a lot of this theory comes from books about cults. GC belief doesn't fall under the classic definition of a cult. There isn't a single leader or set of leaders. There isn't a continuous campaign of removing each person from their support networks. I don't know what the name is for groups like fruit-grower-website, {number}chan, MGTOW etc. They have a multitude of people taking advantage, but no single leader
(DIR) Post #AMzC3lvISQ7uGTGWmG by Eden@weirder.earth
2022-08-28T11:19:07Z
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So what does that make them? My brain is currently screaming at me, as a total nerd, 'Stand Alone Complex: Cults'.
(DIR) Post #AMzC3uuv1CAi9u9qwC by Eden@weirder.earth
2022-08-28T11:32:52Z
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What I'm really describing here are groups that directly encourage members to distance themselves from their support networks. This used to be a whole *thing* in Christianity, "Go preach to your friends/neighbours in extreme ways. They rejected you? Well, we accept you". Caelan Conrad has a series where they pretends to be a mother of a trans kid, and see the content in these 'support' groups. The content is designed to make you *hate* trans people, despite ostensibly being there for support
(DIR) Post #AMzC46Z1iPn4HU0XTs by Eden@weirder.earth
2022-08-28T11:35:27Z
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Look at {}farms falling apart right now in K*ffals Twitter stream.It's all "I really hope I don't lose my 'friends' here". "You all accept me". We can do a whole routine about how fun that is, and fuck them, they're bad people. They are bad people. They express hateful views and do hateful actions. They directly do damage to others, and they enjoy it. And also, the groups are only there because we respond like that.
(DIR) Post #AMzC4NaiPOF55dvcyO by Eden@weirder.earth
2022-08-28T11:39:20Z
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If any of us screenshot all their posts, show their hypocrisy, they are pushed futher into their groups. Rejection from friends? Their group picks up the slack, justifies their need for the group.Show their work what bigots they are? Tell their mother and friends what they said online? The groups are self-maintaining and recruiting. The response of hate is part of the maintenance.
(DIR) Post #AMzC4p3iHgTsHOhfQ8 by Eden@weirder.earth
2022-08-28T11:47:40Z
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I'm old enough on the internet to remember how this went. Initially there was a belief that we should reply to what was said. Be intelligent, and in the 'marketplace of ideas', we'll win out.Some people just haven't heard this before! Some will ignore you, but you'll get through eventually. Then we had a backlash - '"I shouldn't have to teach you, you go do the work. Emotional labour is important"We're still in the backlash.
(DIR) Post #AMzCRbP9DUc0alairg by dave@gleasonator.com
2022-08-28T12:05:47.568872Z
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The one who is indoctrinated here is you. That's why you don't know what to do about "us". Because you can't imagine that you are the one with the problematic beliefs here
(DIR) Post #AMzDs8FLpjF9vuDu9w by saxnot@chaos.social
2022-08-28T12:12:48Z
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@shebang @Eden i feel like the term "gender critical" is not sufficiently derogatory.As someone who enjoys skepticism I cannot vouch for using the good term "critical" to be used in the context of "people who hate the identity of minorities"
(DIR) Post #AMzDwiytCIPx1NiHZI by shebang@freespeech.group
2022-08-28T12:22:39.359703Z
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@saxnot @Eden Its their label, not ours, so it's meant to be cast in a good light. But it's the same old hate with a new name.
(DIR) Post #AMzFXmfQYUJp7dqSxM by search_social@bae.st
2022-08-28T12:39:43.116574Z
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You're both indoctrinated and I'm not. @Eden wants to cut off guy's dicks, and @dave , instead of caring about the victims in this scenario (the guys), is concerned that some fucking w*man might be offended a guy cut off his dick (but as long as w*men are okay with cutting off dicks then it's cool).P.S. Sex and gender are different chud, being critical of cutting off dicks isn't gender critical, it's sex critical.P.P.S. I promise you I will continue to hate cutting off dicks even if it becomes the majority behavior, @saxnot , so I hope I have your permission to use the term sex CRITICAL.1984.jpg
(DIR) Post #AMzGfLZBIb21LF5sW0 by dave@gleasonator.com
2022-08-28T12:53:05.957524Z
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I don't know if you are trolling, or did really just miss the point, but it's called "gender critical" because you are critical of the concept of gender.Also, most guys don't even get the surgery. If they're young you can say they're victims, but the 38-year-old engineer that decided LARPing as a woman was more important than keeping his marriage together is not the victim in the scenario. His wife is the victim, the poor ladies at his gym's female locker room are the victims, the lesbians he's pestering on dating apps are the victims, etc. He himself is not the victim.
(DIR) Post #AMzGle5FMiPcVd5zdo by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-08-28T12:54:16.333628Z
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@dave @search_social @saxnot @Eden It is neither and both. Binary intelligence is neutral.đ¤
(DIR) Post #AMzKoHcVjx1RWdATLM by search_social@bae.st
2022-08-28T13:33:59.866828Z
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<because you are critical of the concept of gender.Except Iâm not critical of the concept of gender, and 90% of people slapped with the GC slur are not critical of gender. We are critical of the concept of mutilating your body, which is sex not gender.<itâs called âgender criticalâ becauseItâs called gender critical because itâs deliberate reputation laundering, the same way that transsexuals are deliberately misnomered transgenders to try and take something harmless like a guy learning to knit and conflate it with chopping off his dick.<If theyâre young you can say theyâre victimsThe thread opened, and I quote:If I have a trans child, and I refuse to support them, the child will grow to resent me.Pushing your child away does. Every time. You have to justify that, to minimise that feelingPositive examples in media of trans children and their parents would be an escape hatch. An example that they can keep their relationship with their child, this isnât the end!Caelan Conrad has a series where they pretends to be a mother of a trans kid, and see the content in these âsupportâ groups. The content is designed to make you hate trans people, despite ostensibly being there for supportThe focus of the argument made was very clearly children.<Also, most guys donât even get the surgeryOh they may not physically chop off their dick right away, but itâs imperative to them to chemically castrate the kids with puberty blockers before the age of 18 because by 18 it would be too late to stop the terrible child abuse that is male puberty.And so then it becomes a game to tell the boys how shitty boys are in school and then use CPS to perform a medical kidnapping on them from the parents the second they so much as look at a dress, nevermind the fine print about being sterilized for life.Not because the elites give a shit about the trans ideology, of course, but because they want their pliant eunuch janissaries for lifelong service to the state.@dave @saxnot @Edentrans-consumer.jpg