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(DIR) Post #AMxOmHQZUpHzqixono by Effortless@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-27T15:14:35Z
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(DIR) Post #AMxOptSQYfs2fLYSnI by Cislor@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-27T15:15:14Z
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@Effortless omg THIS
(DIR) Post #AMxOw3OOX7cfDSbdXk by BackupHitter@poa.st
2022-08-27T15:16:22.614871Z
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@Effortless It’s difficult to make peace with this.
(DIR) Post #AMxTm8iYNZVsbg7wUC by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2022-08-27T16:10:34Z
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@Effortless"anymore" because the claims that the vax will kill you is turning out to be bullshit. if I believed that, I wouldn't have taken it either. but outside of that, the horrible ask we were making was completely reasonable for a virus that we were more uncertain about than the vax, including long-term effects. but your priority is always freedom, never balancing that against the interests of others. even more than that, it's politics and tribalism on all sides.
(DIR) Post #AMxTtNgd7hlL3jgFKC by Effortless@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-27T16:11:54Z
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@wjmaggos You can have my doses.
(DIR) Post #AMxXB5vYBsDr3RnV44 by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2022-08-27T16:48:43.951853Z
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"The greater good" is a quick road to the worst atrocities ever committed by mankind, and that's not a partisan or tribal truth.The reason is simple: in aiming at an aggregate, you ignore the individual.Let's say you have a button, and if you press that button, ten deserving people (or one hundred people, or one thousands people, or ten thousand people, it doesn't matter) will immediately have a million dollars added to their bank accounts, and one random people will die.If you care only about the greater good, then you'd press that button all day every day. After all, ten, one hundred, one thousand, ten thousand people will be made immeasurably better off, and at the low cost of only one person dying.Alternatively, you could choose random criminals to kill and harvest their organs, and those organs could go to save perhaps 6-10 lives at the cost of just one life. The greater good is satisfied, but to the criminals who are selected it would certainly not feel so good.
(DIR) Post #AMxYVIFGCbwV0IDCHw by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2022-08-27T17:03:25Z
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@sj_zero @Effortless yes, valuing "the greater good" above everything else all the time leads to very bad places. but the greater good is the core of democratic government. empathy and free speech and reason is what keeps us in balance most of the time.
(DIR) Post #AMxZq5QPA9nPHHu4nY by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2022-08-27T16:42:13.412796Z
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@Effortless @wjmaggos People should be able to make up their own minds about the various risks. Especially once it was known that the vax didn’t curb the spread, no mandate was necessary. And now we learn that they knew it wouldn’t and lied to everyone about it to push the shots. That’s just wrong. Birx had spilled the beans on that one. These types of viruses mutate too quickly to be killed off by a vax. That’s why flu shots are basically a shot in the dark if you will. Other diseases are more vax friendly. These are not. Take all of that on top of the stupid quarantine rules here in the US literally based on ideology and politics and there were reasons for people to be skeptical. Now that it’s been shown that they lied back in 2020 it’s going to be harder to get cooperation on true things.
(DIR) Post #AMxZq5o9jqnKSx12oq by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2022-08-27T17:18:22Z
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@midway @Effortless do you think nothing we did helped slow the spread while the virus was most dangerous and our treatment sucked?"mistakes were made". how couldn't they have been?the lying is bad even when they thought it was necessary for exactly the reason you give, but do you think they lied for reasons other than thinking it would be of benefit? what I saw were lots of alt media folk waiting to spin every word or bit of data for their own attention benefit, not caring who got hurt.
(DIR) Post #AMxZsm9VH4VMNEHR8i by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2022-08-27T17:18:59Z
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@midway @Effortless do you think nothing we did helped slow the spread while the virus was most dangerous and our treatment sucked?mistakes were made. how couldn't they not have been?the lying is bad even when they thought it was necessary for exactly the reason you give, but do you think they lied for reasons other than thinking it would be of benefit? what I saw were lots of alt media folk waiting to spin every word or bit of data for their own attention benefit, not caring who got hurt.
(DIR) Post #AMxelRgHUHYgcuw4xs by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2022-08-27T18:13:44.061980Z
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Yeah, empathy to the individual is the countermeasure to the greater good, the intersection of the two is important, and in my examples that empathy would see the unfair cost to an individual considered unacceptable.The other thing that we have to be careful of is the intersection of what is true and what we would like to be true or what we would like to make true. It's another thing that both sides of the political spectrum each have issues with. In some ways you can end up with policies that are entirely too pragmatic and mercenary, and in other ways you can have policies that are so disconnected from reality that they can't work.There are a lot of intersections we need to take into account in public policy and in our personal lives. Policies that dramatically fall outside of intersections like these (for example by being too extreme in one direction or the other), or policies whose location along these intersections change as reality or our perception of reality changes tend to be polarizing politically because it causes otherwise reasonable people to seek a correction towards a natural point and the perception is that the way to get that correction is a hard course change for a bit, but you end up with polarization as a result.
(DIR) Post #AMxfpbf2QLtugvu0Wm by AndrewTheGreat@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-27T18:25:41Z
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@Effortless reminds me of Jordan Peterson giving a lecture years before all this saying that everyone of you (in his class) would have been a Nazi and not been in the resistance.
(DIR) Post #AMxfrSU1W8QAo4dKpE by gabriel@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-08-27T18:26:00Z
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@wjmaggos @midway @Effortless mistakes were made. how couldn't they not have been?People knew better. https://www.aclu.org/report/pandemic-preparedness-need-public-health-not-law-enforcementnational-security-approachThe "covid response" that you're carrying water for deliberately did more harm than good. People can speculate all kinds of reasons why, but the excess mortality data proves itIt's ignorant and harmful to just chalk it up to "mistakes were made" when many countries basically scrapped their existing pandemic preparedness plans for measures that were known to be harmful prior to the madness. There was also a massive tide of public, informed, resistance to these measures from the start, but they were ignored.https://gbdeclaration.org/If the 'experts' you revere and protect can be this wrong they're not experts, they're frauds and criminals.
(DIR) Post #AMxhv9k3L6NzkQ1QSu by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2022-08-27T18:48:58Z
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@gabriel @midway @Effortless I don't revere or mean to protect them. perhaps I need to reconsider my understanding of what happened, but there was a ton of bullshit on the other side and I'll admit I got burned out on trying to follow it all. there should be a commission on everything that was done to learn from it.
(DIR) Post #AMxl4ZQ7XJYbrBsaWG by gabriel@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-08-27T19:24:24Z
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@wjmaggos I don't revere or mean to protect them. perhaps I need to reconsider my understanding of what happened, but there was a ton of bullshit on the other side and I'll admit I got burned out on trying to follow it all. That's fair, I apologize for being fairly harsh. Again, as someone who has lost a fair bit in this...debacle I do take some of it personally.there should be a commission on everything that was done to learn from it.This is something I wholeheartedly support. There have been attempts to open-source it but that has its own challenges.
(DIR) Post #AMynq2nYWONteEZ9ii by toji@liberdon.com
2022-08-28T07:30:06Z
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@gabriel> there should be a commission on everything that was done to learn from it.We had that in Germany. The result: mask mandates & lockdowns are useless. The funny part is that our health minister is about to mandate masks and probably lockdowns too.@wjmaggos
(DIR) Post #AMzAIIAVAQyiPwAp4C by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2022-08-27T18:45:40.720876Z
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@Effortless @wjmaggos They may have thought it was a good idea to lie. But it wasn’t. Their public trust is shattered. I’m not here to try to divine their intentions because it doesn’t matter. People should have informed consent when it comes to their health. The government not only didn’t care about their consent by trying to enact draconian mandates but they didn’t give truthful information so that people could make informed decisions. Then they actively tried to censor any and all messaging that challenged theirs. And your response is “oopsie, mistakes were made”?! I say this as someone who is not anti-vaccine in general. I’ve had many. But, at least as an adult, I’ve been able to get good information in order to make an informed decision as to my health. For example I’ve travelled to countries with disease issues. Before I went I was shown the risks of each then presented with options. I didn’t take all of them because some were really low risk for the places I was going. But I did take some. That is what it should look like. That’s not what happened. It’s become a political game now. What do you think someone who couldn’t be with his dying parent during COVID thinks when cities won’t even cancel gay orgy/kink festivals while monkey pox is spreading there enough that they are declaring health emergencies? They were calling people who protested the lockdowns and mandates dangerous people but openly supported and encouraged BLM protests. When people see these patterns of behavior they become skeptical. Will there always be some folks who will resist anything? Sure. But that number stays small when you are honest and consistent. When you’re not, big chunks of people will not believe you even when you are telling the truth.
(DIR) Post #AN1XeAI1pKEBcC0rA0 by TinyHouse4Life@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-29T15:12:49Z
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@Effortless This has always been my issue. I knew I wasn't taking the shit no matter what.I have been and will remain disgusted at the citizens of my country who went along with all the bullshit, starting with the fkn masks.Sorry, rantover.
(DIR) Post #AN1b81kSRpuffrF200 by EJM77@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-29T15:51:50Z
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@TinyHouse4Life @Effortless I’ll pick up that rant! I feel betrayed by the people and family that went along with this shit. Now I’m the bad guy. I thought I knew them. Nothing about this made any sense from the very beginning. Wtf happened to using your own brain and logic? They lies were easy to see. Now we are light years apart and It feels like I never knew them at all.