Post AMvXgalDDMjlLL3q9g by Pixificial@pleroma.pixificial.xyz
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(DIR) Post #AMvVjnbhhwIa9A106K by Pixificial@pleroma.pixificial.xyz
2022-08-26T17:23:05.117294Z
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What do you think of serving blog posts, articles, and other sorts of mostly-text files over the BitTorrent protocol instead of HTTPS? The reason is to move everything from crappy domain name registrars, VPS providers and central CDNs to pure peer-to-peer solutions.
(DIR) Post #AMvWbpTixyQXaW2vlA by torresjrjr@qoto.org
2022-08-26T17:32:55Z
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@Pixificial Cheap devices with low specs, and thus developing areas around the world, wouldn't be able to keep up. Centralisation is not inherently bad, and pure peer-to-peer is not inherently good. Generally, federation is the best of both worlds. A single server on a VPS for a single small website is cost effective.Making DNS lookups purely peer-to-peer is a great idea, though. We ought to support projects like #opennic and break censorship.https://opennic.org
(DIR) Post #AMvXgalDDMjlLL3q9g by Pixificial@pleroma.pixificial.xyz
2022-08-26T17:44:58.769135Z
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@torresjrjr > Cheap devices with low specs...wouldn't be able to keep up.In all honesty, they currently cannot anyway, especially with the size of software stack the majority of people are using (Windows, Chrome & heavy JavaScript). Not that I tested it, but I think most devices can handle a transmission daemon (or your BitTorrent client of preference) running in the background for the transfer of static pages, blogs and articles.> Centralisation is not inherently bad, and pure peer-to-peer is not inherently good.I disagree, I don't think the existence of any 3rd party benefits anyone but my opinions here don't have strong foundations so I could be totally wrong.> projects like #opennicRight! it's nice. Have you heard of YaCy?
(DIR) Post #AMvZ8GIkyRd7xAVciu by enigma@poa.st
2022-08-26T17:56:01.264003Z
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@Pixificial don't care about your poll (sorry) but stealing this
(DIR) Post #AMvZCah95sNcMPyswi by torresjrjr@qoto.org
2022-08-26T18:01:58Z
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@Pixificial I'd love to use P2P chat app Briar[1] all the time and for everything, but my battery drains very quickly. Seeding is resource taxing. It's P2P design is impractical and thus unsusable for casual use.Web engine and Javascript bloat is another topic.[1] https://briarproject.org/
(DIR) Post #AMvZL16imD08atxgHY by torresjrjr@qoto.org
2022-08-26T18:03:30Z
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@Pixificial I have heard of YaCy. Search engine decentralisation is a very tricky thing to achieve. I don't know how effective YaCy is.
(DIR) Post #AMvars89H1WwGMrMUi by mattock@poa.st
2022-08-26T17:48:36.455597Z
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@Pixificial I think it would be useful in certain niche applications or locations, as well as a possibly redundancy or fallback. However it would be inefficient to do across the board and not as reliable as central services.
(DIR) Post #AMvarse3MP3DrJmqDw by Pixificial@pleroma.pixificial.xyz
2022-08-26T18:20:37.967990Z
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@mattock > useful in certain niche applications or locations I think it's not limited to niche applications! :)> not as reliable as central services Can you explain how a distributed/decentralised set of servers can be less reliable than a central server?
(DIR) Post #AMvbYsPi61fVara208 by Pixificial@pleroma.pixificial.xyz
2022-08-26T18:28:22.842776Z
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@torresjrjr That's understandable, they are usually highly power consumptive. Though, the reason seeding is computationally exhaustive is not because of P2P shenanigans, but purely because of very high read-write operations running continuously. If you throttle transfer speed, resource usage goes down.
(DIR) Post #AMvfAyalsC5Vcdc3DE by mattock@poa.st
2022-08-26T18:46:06.758345Z
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@Pixificial @torresjrjr it's probably more useful than my limited imagination lets me believe. it might be especially useful for low power devices like @torresjrjr mentioned; I think of phones in this category, like cheap Android ones that are everywhere in the third world.have p2p networks figured out how to prevent issues with fake peers and manipulated data being injected into the network? I also wonder how resilient they would be to DDOS attacks
(DIR) Post #AMvfTBqPLAQZw4bypU by Pixificial@pleroma.pixificial.xyz
2022-08-26T19:12:12.028637Z
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@mattock @torresjrjr > issues with manipulated dataYes, checksums and consensus algorithms.> fake peersI don't know what you mean by that.Also, having P2P file sharing across mobile devices sound great, but it's getting off-topic...
(DIR) Post #AN02fU4iSYoNWwyWSu by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2022-08-28T21:50:53Z
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Bittorrent does not offer any benefit over https except domain name and you can bypass that with things like opendns.
(DIR) Post #AN0jWilyjxnQXOHLea by Pixificial@pleroma.pixificial.xyz
2022-08-29T05:50:37.885816Z
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@nanook That is far from being the only benefit. You would not need a central hosting computer for the distribution of the file, such as a VPS. If you use BitTorrent, everyone in the swarm can distribute the file to everyone else, and the file can still be automatically distributed even if the original distributor was down / not in the swarm anymore. In the case of a server, the article would probably be lost or inaccessible if the VPS was down.
(DIR) Post #AN0l7Sh1aVQ1Kr2psW by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2022-08-29T06:08:24Z
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@Pixificial You can do this with federated networks like the one we are talking about if you push each node out to the end user.
(DIR) Post #AN0mZ3TH3U6TAqKnAm by Pixificial@pleroma.pixificial.xyz
2022-08-29T06:25:15.073827Z
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@nanook Assuming you meant “federated networks like the one we are talking *on…” (correct me if that’s wrong), end user does a request to a single node, not a swarm. There is no swarm to spread the file request, so the best that happens is, the federated servers just cache the file. But there are no directions for the end user to find that cache, as there is no swarm, so that’s almost useless.
(DIR) Post #AN0nt3hvzAebeYIHrM by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2022-08-29T06:39:57Z
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@Pixificial Ok, I see your point, from a speed perspective the swarm has an advantage assuming your connection is higher than the average, but I'm not sure to how many that is applicable.