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(DIR) Post #AMpsmag9MaY8usdRtQ by akfirefly76@spinster.xyz
2022-08-23T23:50:07.768777Z
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The Houston Women's group has been around since the 1970s. I was invited to their group to talk about my not-yet-started RadFem group. The woman who invited me sent me a note when she saw a man had RSVP'd on the Meet-up announcement. She told me that this was a Woman Only space and had been since the 70s. That was really exciting for me to hear. I arrived and was met with signs talking about mandatory mask rules. My host told me I could probably leave mine off once we were in the meeting. The women arrived. During a political discussion of local politics, I mentioned that I was a single issue voter right now. If a politician cannot separate sex from gender, or thinks someone can change sex, they do not have my vote. There was a disturbed silence. One woman told me I was throwing the baby out with the bath water. I replied that I didn't think women getting raped by male inmates in prison was merely "bathwater." Eventually another woman told me that they've never, not once, talked about gender and all that, but that it would be great if I could come back in the future for that specific topic.They invited me and a couple other visitors (one delightful radfem, another just a cool random new visitor) to lunch after the gathering. I mostly talked with the other new ladies. In the end I had a long discussion with a woman in her late 70s about the trans issue, and she kept talking about those "truly trans" people and how we need to think about them, not the ones who are just faking it for attention. I told her that neither I nor the trans community agree with her on this. I don't think there is such a thing as "truly trans" that's more than simple body dysphoria. And the TRA crowd doesn't put up with that kind of gate keeping of trans identities. This women DID NOT understand that most trans identified men don't have bottom surgery, some don't even shave. She didn't believe me. We agreed to disagree. Left lunch feeling that these old school feminists with their 47 year old Women's Group might be a place I could visit on a regular basis.Then, this morning I get a text from the woman who had originally invited me, "T, we always welcome new women to our women's group on Sundays. I believe we need to clarify, that we are an inclusive group and welcome all women, including transgender women. And we have transgender women that join our group, and they are always accepted and welcome. My apologies for any confusion that I may have made on the church's mask policy, as a mask must be worn at all times. Thank you for your understanding." But this wasn't just sent to me, it was also sent to some other number, who replied, "E, well written with no judgment, temperance clarity, and buttresses by the mask rules and our covenant . .Also you gave her some intentional kindness,grace if there was some mis understanding on her part about the inclusiveness of our women's group. Your response was appreciated by [6 women's names] and myself. I sent a copy to J also. In gratitude E love I."The second woman is I. She was the woman in the meeting who invited me to come back for a discussion devoted to gender/trans stuff. She's also very old and not tech savvy and likely has no idea that I saw her reply to E. I'm currently trying to figure out how to respond. Probably something simple, but clear that I prioritize women only spaces. Who knows. okay. My novel is over. Maybe that icky feeling of being rejected all over again will go away.
(DIR) Post #AMpvAEW3cDch2QJe3U by Spiffacious@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T00:08:57.641666Z
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@akfirefly76 I hate that disappointed feeling when other women let us down.
(DIR) Post #AMpxVM0HAkegFWeJkm by grace_hawthorn@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T00:06:36.805389Z
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@akfirefly76 oh lovely - you're not being rejected, this isn't about you. this is that these women haven't yet managed to haul out their internalised misogyny and they are very much not your tribe. You're walking away from them because they're not ready for you. there are women who are your tribe and you'll find them. xxx
(DIR) Post #AMpyoVYFzsAXJoEzhI by DoctorDee@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T00:01:38.451738Z
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@akfirefly76 A similar thing happened to me with a local women's group; I wrote them a polite email saying I don't object to their position and am not offended by it, and I wish them success, but I'm only interested in devoting my time and resources to women. Haven't heard a thing from them since, which is to be expected.
(DIR) Post #AMpyomt5Xfvv5L7N1k by akfirefly76@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T01:03:51.913727Z
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@DoctorDee This is very similar to what I'm thinking about saying.
(DIR) Post #AMpyqYMcVnK0cUlzgu by akfirefly76@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T01:03:21.609668Z
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@grace_hawthorn The best part is that there was a lovely woman there who is definitely a like minded RF. We have connected and maybe we wouldn't have connected without this first meeting at a Women's Group.
(DIR) Post #AMpytANc8kNH6UU4jQ by Kay@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T01:17:31.018552Z
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@akfirefly76 Is it a church-run feminist group? I see this stuff seeping in to church things. It's really strange, because the whole belief system is predicated on knowing which sex must be subservient to the other sex. If we flip everything on it's head and replace sex with gender, what does that mean for original sin, and all those other sex-specific beliefs?
(DIR) Post #AMpz0fyD5QwV6eBMpc by RockTheBoat@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T00:53:54.235457Z
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@akfirefly76 So they are ok with men who identify as women, but not men who identify as men. I’d ask them what is the difference? It surely isn’t the presence of a penis! Is it a feeling? Ahhh, because all of us dumb-ass women are so stupid as to not know we could identify out of our oppression by merely saying we are men! 😡
(DIR) Post #AMq2cyM7TelmzkJojg by earlgrey@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T01:54:46.821600Z
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@akfirefly76 I'm sorry but wtf, she shared her text with other people and then they patted themselves on the back for a job well done?? That is so disgustingly rude, especially from women who seem to love accepting predatory males, and rejecting women's concerns of safety. And they definitely mentioned the mask thing in an underhanded way. Money on them making you seem like you were problematic and a rabid anti masker. The entire language of the texts is manipulative and done in a away to make you look bad. If you're feeling petty, you could write a detailed reply with links to news of what these men are doing under trans ideology. Show them how children are suffering, and send the entire thing to everyone in the group, along with the passive aggressive messages they sent you( and mention that they were the ones who told you mask off was okay).Then just walk away and don't respond.
(DIR) Post #AMq42DOcnJhsps5h68 by angryandignored@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T02:15:41.234831Z
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@akfirefly76 This is why I am angry and terrified of women's groups. I know I will turn into a puddle of raging tears at the "be kind" women who've absolutely no clue about how disturbing castration surgery even is, much less what AGP anything is. If they are in a church, have you thought about talking to them about Gnosticism? Alternatively you could just post some sort of link like this: https://www.feministcurrent.com/2022/08/18/whats-current-trans-activists-mob-80-year-old-julie-jaman-and-supporters-at-letjulieswim-rally/Then maybe some footage of the pool protest. You could post some exulansic stuff: https://odysee.com/@Exulansic:d/india-doesn't-like-hearing-no:dhttps://odysee.com/@Exulansic:d/i-am-jazz's-waking-nightmare-jeanette:0Then hit them up with the Allison Baily case: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10751871/JK-Rowling-tweets-image-white-bearded-Stonewall-approved-lesbian-facing-fury.htmlAnd end with this clip showing the (still employed, I think?) "Lesbian" with a beard from stonewall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkK7zisjoDkLegit, I sometimes still have melt downs at all the women trying to meet this religion half way. You can't. The religious doctrine demands that the followers constantly redefine words to the point where it becomes surreal. If you're kind to someone who's going to use as many tactics as possible to try and get as much as they possibly can, you're not actually being kind. You're just giving up rights and words that aren't solely yours to give up.Oh and maybe go in the Dana Rivers. This sort of idiocy is so frustrating. Also the mask thing seems a bit like a little power play to make it seem like they're labelling you as having done more than one thing wrong.Denying sexed bodies are dangerous. Denying that there's simple and clear words for this is dangerous.Ask them if they'd be the type of women who want to let julie swim or if they'd hide inside out of fear and shame when dealing with the resulting protestors and then send them links of all the "women" protesting against a 80 year woman protecting little girls for a young man who recently decided to identify as a woman so he could watch little girls change.
(DIR) Post #AMq5D3AFHDX6F25yfA by AnungIkwe@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T01:29:04.729469Z
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@Kay @akfirefly76 It's the reformed churches. As long as some people are subservient and some people are dominant (and rich and make) and men can get off on their fantasies about subservience while women are terrified and immobilized by those fantasies, the church is happy. They are the original borg. They assimilate everything anyways. Resistance is futile. (they think)
(DIR) Post #AMq5H4xoWo8OysCZzk by angryandignored@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T02:31:20.521099Z
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@akfirefly76 https://twitter.com/zeldazonk130/status/1560424194101452800These little old ladies will probably go into shock and denial about the fact that men want to warp words and trap women, that both men and women who've started following this religion are eager to submit to medical experimentation on themselves, children and others. They may be angry at you for giving them the truth and a message, but you're right to show them and then they'll probably need time to digest the horror. Then tell them why the DSM changed was because of adult men who're on a castration fetish forum: https://reduxx.info/top-trans-medical-association-collaborated-with-castration-child-abuse-fetishists/It will likely make them feel sick and they may want to turn away from the truth. They don't get to do that and call themselves feminists.
(DIR) Post #AMq61tq3hzqK5TtsRc by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T02:41:31.636020Z
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@earlgrey @akfirefly76 Houston? Who is wearing masks in Houston? (I am setting aside all the faux-loving sniping directed at AK in the group text, bc other Spinsters acknowledged the dynamic well.) I work around older people all the time, and rarely see masks here in Austin. It is another rule the group is enforcing for their tiny fiefdom, like Ovarit continuing Reddit’s kindspeak rules as a power move. The group retains control, something to chip away at your esteem as a visitor, while retaining the appearance of respectability. Powerless respectability…but oh, they were able to flush out some fresh blood from their gathering.This is another women’s group that won’t make the decade, bc what they offer anyone can buy on a cutesy affirmation poster at Target.
(DIR) Post #AMq6ETkM1sk4vfEKqO by TheWitchBitch@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T00:33:24.364565Z
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@akfirefly76 this is just so backhanded in a way. I don't like women who act like this. "I'm so much nicer and kinder than you. I'm going to tell you you don't matter and we prioritize men, but nicely so that makes me better. Love and light."
(DIR) Post #AMq7WKODenpl4jx4DI by Cousin_Isobel@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T02:31:40.759193Z
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@akfirefly76 @grace_hawthorn Thank you for doing this. You left multiple women with food for thought and made a valuable connection.
(DIR) Post #AMqDWzY1ERG8RxEdlY by nenetl@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T04:05:36.460354Z
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@akfirefly76 Aside from the long post, it’s absolutely embarrassing that you would openly admit to being a single issue voter. Imagine openly admitting to not giving a fuck about all the other policies openly affecting women right now. I guess those issues wouldn’t directly affect you though, we both know why. I have some news for you, feminism, and radical feminism, isn’t a single issue and goes beyond trans activism and the bathroom debate.
(DIR) Post #AMqXg0trZUdCKk22Xg by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T07:24:37.538006Z
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@akfirefly76 @grace_hawthorn and it really isn’t you, it’s 100% them and their nonsense.
(DIR) Post #AMqyId1Qse8QNae7Ps by akfirefly76@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T11:30:55.444586Z
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@Hollahollara @earlgrey It's the First Unitarian Universalist church where they meet. I don't even carry masks around with me anymore. So, everyone I saw in the building were all wearing N95s, homemade cloth masks, some were double masked. It was definitely a strange sight to see here in Houston. They also had about a dozen women zooming in to the meeting which took up so much time for technical difficulties. It's not a giant loss that I won't be returning regularly, as it was a 45 minute drive from my house, and I HATE wearing masks as it just feels like modern religious symbology and I've never done well performing rituals for other people without a good reason. [If they told me, "this is a church that believes in masking as a way of showing our devotion to our values" I would have done it. But the signs were all talking about "following the science" and "CDC recommendations." So, I got cranky, because it isn't science based if they are just handing out little paper masks.]
(DIR) Post #AMqyLvu58V3vo9mdv6 by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T12:50:13.938826Z
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@akfirefly76 @earlgrey I am glad you tried, but sorry they were cool girls about it.
(DIR) Post #AMr2sgPo8qmT92Ukvg by angryandignored@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T03:10:55.928234Z
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@earlgrey @akfirefly76 "Money on them making you seem like you were problematic and a rabid anti masker. The entire language of the texts is manipulative and done in a away to make you look bad."Thank you. You said this well.It's bullshit.
(DIR) Post #AMr2sgyY3gZOsmkV4y by akfirefly76@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T11:34:40.923003Z
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@angryandignored @earlgrey I guarantee this was how I'm going to be viewed. I specifically mentioned Beto's views that humans can change sex and men can become women as why I refuse to vote for him and that was a shocker. There were a couple gasps. It was like something out of a comedy sketch about woke old people. "Who are you going to vote for then? Abbot????" I said I didn't know, but that I mostly try to focus my energy on super local politics, city council, county boards, school boards as the issues I care about are very much locally controlled. They also didn't like when, in another political conversation, I talked about the externalities of "green" technology and I'm not just a flat supporter of solar panels.
(DIR) Post #AMr2shUo7kNGUpqGMS by TheWitchBitch@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T13:38:22.254743Z
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@akfirefly76 @angryandignored @earlgrey it sounds like you are way more educated and aware than these women.
(DIR) Post #AMr41mgCJv318M45Sa by TheWitchBitch@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T13:50:36.244464Z
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@akfirefly76 @Hollahollara @earlgrey yours is not to question why apparently
(DIR) Post #AMr4iKaOeBrQSHdhfE by Clariana@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T14:01:29.374158Z
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@nenetl @akfirefly76 Yes but refusing to define what a woman is or agreeing that any man who says he's a woman is actually a woman is a ROOT (radical) issue, and that means it will ultimately affect any other issues raised regarding women.You cannot support a stance if there is fudging on the origin of it all.
(DIR) Post #AMrBw3S1qo4z2sDU2K by akfirefly76@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T11:42:09.546729Z
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@nenetl How can someone fight for any policy affecting women when women are being legally erased? I've got two teenage GNC daughters. Perhaps it's hyperbole on my part that I describe myself as a single issue voter. It's just easiest when talking about how all my issues are intertwined with recognizing reality.
(DIR) Post #AMrBwrxe3X4vhPORG4 by Sherri_Ingrey@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T15:06:16.795678Z
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@akfirefly76 @nenetl Radical feminism is about the protection and promotion of WOMEN AND CHILDREN. This is not a SINGLE ISSUE. It is THE issue. Identarianism is erasing women, mothers and leaving children unprotected
(DIR) Post #AMrEQRBKNwEdEy1Ivo by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T15:50:20.308205Z
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@akfirefly76 I’m so sorry to hear this. What a disappointment.That nasty condescension about “kindness” was just uncalled-for. As if you’re dirty unworthy sinner saved by their Christlike grace which you don’t deserve. Maybe I’m misreading her intention but it sounds that way to me.You still have us! 💜
(DIR) Post #AMrESNdqWALgqAHm2i by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T15:50:41.450650Z
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@akfirefly76 I’m so sorry to hear this. What a disappointment.That nasty condescension about “kindness” was just uncalled-for. As if you’re a dirty unworthy sinner saved by their Christlike grace which you don’t deserve. Maybe I’m misreading her intention but it sounds that way to me.You still have us! 💜
(DIR) Post #AMrEWbaMcJEtFEfgzQ by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-24T15:51:27.036328Z
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@RockTheBoat @akfirefly76 I like your profile pic!