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 (DIR) Post #AMfruERzhzc8RKRFBI by digdeeper@mastodon.honeypot.im
       2022-08-19T04:15:55Z
       
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       KDE Plasma loads for 70 seconds on a laptop with 4 GB RAM and a 2.4 GHz processor. Xfce 4.12 takes 7 seconds.Measured from startx command up until menus become usable.Windows is probably worse, so no wonder normies get all the newest hardware.
       
 (DIR) Post #AMfsK4KFyVIyZF8gXA by urusan@fosstodon.org
       2022-08-19T04:20:44Z
       
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       @digdeeper Windows quietly never turns off to help with this issue.You have to use a secret key combination to make it shut down for real.
       
 (DIR) Post #AMfsWaF78MHF20hXFo by icedquinn@blob.cat
       2022-08-19T04:23:05.558971Z
       
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       @urusan @digdeeper people have wondered why they don't let you reuse a hibernation file to boot instantly :ablobcateyeroll: i think there was some cope about driver state
       
 (DIR) Post #AMfxc93De2wWCobnW4 by keith@friendica.keithhacks.cyou
       2022-08-19T05:16:08Z
       
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       @digdeeper It takes way less depending on what exactly you have enabled and how fucked-up your configs are. My laptop running Gentoo, which admittedly is significantly more powerful, only takes a few seconds to boot into KDE.
       
 (DIR) Post #AMfxc9VDxvLPbfiAAS by digdeeper@mastodon.honeypot.im
       2022-08-19T05:19:57Z
       
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       @keith Well of course, if it's "significantly more powerful", it will load faster. That's the whole point of the test.Now try the same with xfce 4.12.
       
 (DIR) Post #AMfyblDwKjIOGH0IZk by keith@friendica.keithhacks.cyou
       2022-08-19T05:26:38Z
       
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       @digdeeper I don't think it's that KDE is super resource intensive, though - the CPU usage and RAM usage stay quite low. Plus, my desktop computer, which also runs Gentoo and is quite powerful, but has residual bits of old KDE Neon in ~/.config, takes a lot longer to start up.
       
 (DIR) Post #AMfyblhiY17Bkcw4zQ by digdeeper@mastodon.honeypot.im
       2022-08-19T05:31:09Z
       
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       @keith I don't have anything residual, this KDE installation is completely new. And I even disabled compositor etc.What you think is "quite low" won't be the same for someone with old hardware. So, my test seems to show that new DEs are unusable for someone with old hardware.
       
 (DIR) Post #AMgE0DhRbwEwq9vRFg by Sprinklednights@social.anoxinon.de
       2022-08-19T08:23:37Z
       
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       @digdeeper Microsoft Windows was so resource heavy that it broke, so I had to fresh install Windows again. I personally don't understand the benefits of KDE Plasma. It is bloated with features that you never want, the menus are freaking ugly and it took more RAM than Xfce 4.16 ever did. I can't tell myself to use KDE Plasma for more than two days.Sure Xfce has flaws too, but I felt less overwhelmed by the flaws of Xfce than the flaws on KDE Plasma.
       
 (DIR) Post #AMgp64d5wWq0kdXsZ6 by digdeeper@mastodon.honeypot.im
       2022-08-19T15:19:14Z
       
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       @Sprinklednights Some programs are written specifically for KDE, but if you can find replacements (I think the only ones without are like, Krita and Kolourpaint, maybe), then yeah, it's nothing.Actually, Slackware switching from KDE 3 to 4 made me seek another distro then (this was somewhere in 2008). That was before I knew how to, like, just install all the packages I want myself etc. But I knew enough to drop a trash DE when I saw it. And KDE 5 is even worse.
       
 (DIR) Post #AMgskf6w1dmbLFY4Qa by Sprinklednights@social.anoxinon.de
       2022-08-19T16:00:13Z
       
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       @digdeeper Besides that KDE Plasma is apparently "spyware" because of KUserFeedback...
       
 (DIR) Post #AMgt1CsYFDuOhki4S8 by digdeeper@mastodon.honeypot.im
       2022-08-19T16:03:18Z
       
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       @Sprinklednights Slackware's version does not have that BTW.
       
 (DIR) Post #AMhGz2qsWzCQdLRe5I by ryo@social.076.ne.jp
       2022-08-19T20:31:51.833902Z
       
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       @digdeeper @Sprinklednights Non-KDE replacement would be GIMP for illustrations, and Aseprite for pixel art, though for manga anything good is lacking.
       
 (DIR) Post #AN6TrzSnQnOPMnxJWy by probablyat@freespeechextremist.com
       2022-09-01T00:24:04.428926Z
       
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       @digdeeper and now, any wayland compositor will take, what… less than a second? but oh no, it's wayland! where's my startx, where's my xrandr? i can't use that!