Post AMfqED1QWtTntPPSvQ by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
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(DIR) Post #ALgXfZuXycRJu4Rzcm by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-20T14:12:01.253367Z
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(DIR) Post #ALgYAJDY5oYb6ezZDs by twann@fosstodon.org
2022-07-20T14:15:03Z
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@straw What about antisnap action
(DIR) Post #ALgYCkzdnJkPpXebeC by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-20T14:18:02.635754Z
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@twann snap is avoidable if you don't use ubuntu, xdg-desktop-portal is an unavoidable part of wayland at times
(DIR) Post #ALgYNNt22p1lLsd8L2 by twann@fosstodon.org
2022-07-20T14:18:29Z
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@straw yeah that's true
(DIR) Post #ALgvp21af4XvgalkKe by kenos@social.linux.pizza
2022-07-20T18:40:03Z
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@straw flatpak is good for security though
(DIR) Post #ALgvp2fIHSIzfjLSDY by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-20T18:42:38.905371Z
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@kenos no it isn't, and I don't care about its fake security features. the sandbox is not comparable to something like Android where you have fine grained controls and you can actually disable access to things. in Flatpak, when you install an app, you *have* to let it use its own sandbox settings, or you can't install it.and anyway, I install an app because I trust it. if I don't trust it, I'll use a VM or a container, neither of which are what Flatpak is.Flatpak also produced the abominable xdg-desktop-portal, which has been the single biggest fucking headache and annoying piece of shit that never works for me as a Wayland user
(DIR) Post #ALioycp5b5aGujSKFU by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
2022-07-21T16:35:23.923526Z
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@straw Anti .exe windows equivalent of GNU/linux.
(DIR) Post #ALipPUtz9hPOAMYlBA by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
2022-07-21T16:40:14.957617Z
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@straw @kenos The issue of such system is that it's the same issue of .exe on windows, there's no human filtering.And it's funny, a big coincidence one can say, that the moment flatpak/snap were proposed microsoft started to force their store to people, as if they knew that filtering software distribution permits to avoid people to install unwanted software while having the most unfiltered software installation brought havoc in one's OS.
(DIR) Post #ALixnrK2FTlIHgs6s4 by neglesaks@mstdn.io
2022-07-21T18:14:17Z
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@straw @kenos I appreciate this. Thanks.I've had doubts about flatpak for a while but haven't had motivation to dig into it.
(DIR) Post #ALj3wQv4Nk7cjGfLu4 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
2022-07-21T19:23:02.421913Z
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@neglesaks @straw @kenos Not everything is to discard imo, there's a need for the GNU/linux environment to have more user oriented up to date software quickly, having such system will give what the users wants but the to detriment of GNU/linux as it will open the ease of installation by proprietary vendors, it's a double edged sword in this case.
(DIR) Post #ALj41UdC0eOZgkiVdI by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-21T19:23:58.073009Z
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@mangeurdenuage @neglesaks @kenos it's called rolling release, and flatpak isn't that.also, it's Linux, not GNU/Linux.
(DIR) Post #ALj44k7yqlSAcRfR1k by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
2022-07-21T19:24:34.211919Z
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@straw @neglesaks @kenos :jessibonk: :gnu_interjection:
(DIR) Post #ALm860EFKrCjeJymi8 by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-23T06:53:42.812425Z
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Okay, but if we boycott Flatpak then what do we use other than native packages? AppImages? DEB packages?
(DIR) Post #ALnJJGI2E1OPseEiRs by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-23T20:34:07.288726Z
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@cyberspook AppImages. Flatpak is a package manager while AppImages are a great way to distribute single binaries of large software.
(DIR) Post #ALnJKnctlZWrYrjDeq by leonidas@libranet.de
2022-07-23T07:23:52Z
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What about AppImages?
(DIR) Post #ALnJKo99pdKjAuoywK by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-23T20:34:23.155726Z
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@leonidas AppImages are alright. I'd still prefer an install to the system, but AppImages aren't restricting me in anything, and more importantly the people behind them didn't create xdg-desktop-portal
(DIR) Post #ALnRbfTo6k4Wqq1x9k by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-23T22:07:02.136090Z
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@strawalso, it’s Linux, not GNU/Linux.Ah, so the Linux name gang is the annoying one from now on. How the tables have turned.@neglesaks @mangeurdenuage @kenos
(DIR) Post #ALnRetrp4Y7QLEnxM8 by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-23T22:07:39.751395Z
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I'm not exactly sure how AppImages are better than Flatpaks.
(DIR) Post #ALnRuFBu4aFUouVvBg by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-23T22:10:26.786758Z
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@cyberspook @neglesaks @mangeurdenuage @kenos !!! musl and busybox are a thing
(DIR) Post #ALnRyQARClyC1MouMS by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-23T22:11:11.756570Z
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@cyberspook they're portable, they don't impose pointless restrictions, and they're a neat way to install something without littering your system (e.g. Kdenlive which installs way too many KDE packages)
(DIR) Post #ALnS53Y3hU4bte24jw by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-23T22:12:23.071151Z
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@strawYou know, it's kinda funny how there's this stereotype of librefags being those annoying loud-mouthed manchildren. But in my experience it seems to be the other way around for some reason: the proprietards and the OSSfags are the ones who complain about shit the most. Other than the alt-right and the woke mob of course.@kenos @mangeurdenuage @neglesaks
(DIR) Post #ALnS6JpSeeL8gCm4h6 by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-23T22:12:36.696830Z
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@straw @cyberspook AppImage doesn't solve anything. You can just do the same and package it inside tarball, and hide inside a long shell script.They can't be compared.
(DIR) Post #ALnS7gY1fjtnQkGqoq by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-23T22:12:51.567416Z
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@straw @neglesaks @mangeurdenuage @kenos
(DIR) Post #ALnSK21vcxMrX1928W by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-23T22:15:04.663852Z
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@cyberspook @neglesaks @mangeurdenuage @kenos proud librefag 🏁
(DIR) Post #ALnSOdycU6eoNZnQga by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-23T22:15:56.042056Z
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@straw @kenos I wish I had a fine-grained control access to filesystembut Google making it worse since KitKat and completely killed it with scoped storage.Is Android better for security? Yes. In that sense that software can't do anything, but there is no control.
(DIR) Post #ALnSUedwv2kkBTzgki by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-23T22:17:00.485774Z
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@a1ba @cyberspook indeed. but AppImages are user-friendly, and they behave similarly to .exe's, which is nice for former Windows users. and they don't pose much of a problem for advanced users, as usually AppImages are used for massive software like Kdenlive or Librewolf.Flatpaks are difficult to install (you have to type a bunch of stuff and then it's just worse than a normal package manager) and it still installs all of those dependencies to your system, instead of containing them like AppImages do.don't get me wrong, AppImages are still bad, but orders of magnitude less than Flatpak in my opinion
(DIR) Post #ALnSX3z1g195M007n6 by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-23T22:17:27.315319Z
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@straw @kenos sorry for being a "techbro reply guy" here but I had experience with both Android and AppImage, and even sent few patches there.
(DIR) Post #ALnSoSHkZkeTeF3Idk by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-23T22:20:36.052607Z
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@straw @cyberspook I like how flatpaks were introduced to steamdeck users. There is just KDE supported program that does all needed work for flatpaks.I want to get my software distributed like this.Meanwhile AppImage gave me nothing in that regard. It doesn't even give you a platform to build with, guildlines just tell "well build with RHEL6 rootfs and package all dependencies".
(DIR) Post #ALnT85DE4P9XsdIN3A by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-23T22:24:08.741319Z
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@straw @cyberspook I had like few hours discuss with AppImage creator that we can't put OpenGL libraries because these are part of drivers, when I wanted to distribute 32-bit program for users using 64-bit OS (because of compatibility). He pointed me how he packaged Wine, and I pointed how it fails with anything hardware accelerated.Or I had to explain what "const char *" is and why it const for string literals to libappimage maintainer.So that you know the level of professionalism here, in AppImage world.
(DIR) Post #ALnTQeQ7uENOHxBQSO by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-23T22:27:30.149140Z
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@a1ba @cyberspook I see. I really don't like Flatpak though, and ideally AppImage is a better concept imo.
(DIR) Post #ALnTkKdn9iD4jcxZ8S by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-23T22:30:59.261063Z
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@straw @cyberspook not really because of incompatibilities between distros. It gets better, but depends on your software dependencies (lol)
(DIR) Post #ALnZGPdmbLDfHN4XAW by divVerent@misskey.de
2022-07-23T23:32:15.706Z
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@straw@socks.pinnoto.org @straw@socks.pinnoto.org As someone who dealt with AppImage, Flatpak and Snap, I have to say:- AppImage lacks lots of features, such as auto updating (there are updater tools for it, but you can't expect users to have them)- OTOH it requires nothing extra on the user's system to be installed. A big plus.- Flatpak has a really annoying build system. E.g. releasing Go software using Flatpak requires one to build a nasty vendoring mess, rather than supporting go.mod+go.sum directly.- Snap is way too bloated, and often days after releasing an update I get an email to update it again due to a security hole. Because the Snap/ALSA support pulls in half of GNOME just so it can show an error dialog.- Flatpak is supported by default on Fedora, i.e. the default package manager offers Flatpaks there.- Snap is supported by default on Ubuntu, i.e. the default package manager offers Snaps there.- Both are easy to add on Debian and most major distros.- Flatpak has, at least for my game, a twice as large user base than Snap.- Snap's web interface is vastly superior to Flatpak's, it even supports automatically building on commit for a testing track.- Flatpak has the best user side security properties (less broken sandboxing, and requires builds to take place on its infrastructure).- AppImage is apparently most effective at generating some publicity. Seems e.g. the Internet Archive crawls the web for AppImages.- AppImage is by far the easiest from a developer POV.Ultimately they do not replace native packages, but seem to be an easy way to get a foot in the door for your project. Also be sure to add a PKGBUILD to Arch Linux's AUR, also an easy way to get users.
(DIR) Post #ALnZZpUWiHD8xK08tk by ALYxH58u71azvfQ3w8.verita84@pooper.social
2022-07-23T23:36:23.153569Z
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Flatpak is more stable than apps found in the distros I find.
(DIR) Post #ALnZpoidLwKXC3DtyK by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-23T23:39:16.147842Z
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@verita84 @divVerent L
(DIR) Post #ALp4kEnImfy442BbXc by divVerent@misskey.de
2022-07-24T15:45:48.668Z
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@verita84@pooper.social Fedora is not known for stability, but yeah, Flatpak usually just works. Same goes for Snap vs rest of Ubuntu, sadly... these apps tend to be more stable (as they all run in the environment their author tested them at), but it's also so bloated, and for apps that access the network or untrusted files, it can be a security nightmare.My puny singleplayer game AAAAXY was kinda a best case here, as none of the disadvantages (other than the download size) actually affect it :)
(DIR) Post #ALpukjK9kE3bFkPjUG by kenos@social.linux.pizza
2022-07-25T02:34:36Z
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@straw outdated article
(DIR) Post #ALpukjkOAh2aZ6ggNM by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-25T02:43:03.841418Z
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@kenos still true
(DIR) Post #ALpv80xOLtqabIrwTw by kenos@social.linux.pizza
2022-07-25T02:45:42Z
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@straw how is it still true
(DIR) Post #ALpv81OKjjOjwrTSTY by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-25T02:47:16.176867Z
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@kenos it is
(DIR) Post #ALpvEiLrvN0ovOVqka by kenos@social.linux.pizza
2022-07-25T02:47:56Z
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@straw I am asking you how it is still true. I'm asking for actual answers, not a "it is".
(DIR) Post #ALpvEizDZ4UItQvH5E by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-25T02:48:29.551083Z
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@kenos it just is
(DIR) Post #AMfq7o10aiFqb9A1ei by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-08-19T03:56:13.707353Z
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@MischievousTomato ideological boycott on flatpaks + they banned me from their github repos
(DIR) Post #AMfqED1QWtTntPPSvQ by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-08-19T03:57:23.135978Z
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@MischievousTomato I just don't like themmade an issue titled fuck you on xdg-desktop-portal because I spent 2 hours failing to make it work 😭
(DIR) Post #AMfr2cJCmvWMnUlHzk by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-08-19T04:06:29.655391Z
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@MischievousTomato my internet presence has been declining in seriousness so idc if I waste 2 minutes of someone's time and get banned from a repo I don't intend to ever contribute on
(DIR) Post #AMfr3lsmg7ASmOxCoC by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-08-19T04:06:42.195685Z
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@MischievousTomato + I can always make an alt :soydev:
(DIR) Post #ANErPB0eH5HQpE3wZs by staticfanfare@meow.social
2022-09-05T01:20:09Z
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@straw whoa, based???
(DIR) Post #ANOyZuUwKdmTDL1Whk by ringo@noagendasocial.com
2022-09-09T22:32:57Z
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@straw i loathe flatpak