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(DIR) Post #AMYaEurZOmAD6ImGRM by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-15T15:51:58Z
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the entertainment industry is one i can empathise with.most people perceive it as glamorous, but it's quite harsh for your average entertainer.
(DIR) Post #AMYaEwSpRjYs49DX9c by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-15T15:53:37Z
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basically, nobody gets hired for a position in the entertainment industry. i mean, it happens, but it's the exception rather than the rule. you can't expect any job security in that business.,
(DIR) Post #AMYawtlUqGdoR9uQ4m by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-15T15:55:34Z
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it makes sense that you can't expect any job security in the entertainment industry because if people are looking to be entertained, they're not looking to take on any responsibility, so the minute the show is over, they forget about the entertainer. it's not anyone's duty to secure the income of an entertainer.
(DIR) Post #AMYawuHOveA626pto0 by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-15T15:57:01Z
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the entertainer serves the role of offering the freedom to neglect income security for a moment. but for the audience. the entertainer doesn't get that vacation.
(DIR) Post #AMYawusyfwDfuePuNM by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-15T15:59:12Z
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my empathy for pirating computer geeks is limited by this lack of commitment to keeping entertainers paid and fed. i haven't met a single pro-piracy person who has any concern for the people producing the content. it's always this big bird mouth demanding more content. but these people who do the fun movies, they're people too. they got living expenses. they're not fairies.
(DIR) Post #AMYawvWgIJyjtmzcGG by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-15T16:00:41Z
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and Hollywood does not take care of the needs of any random person seeking to work in the entertainment industry. for every successful person you see there, there are massive numbers of people who tried, risked it, but didn't make the cut.again, there isn't any job security there.
(DIR) Post #AMYaww2wMNmbVq5NXk by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-15T16:01:43Z
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can you imagine the socialist entertainer, where any dull person gets an equal chance to entertain? it would suck.
(DIR) Post #AMYaxBufMufgioKzrs by vriska@lizards.live
2022-08-15T16:03:13Z
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@thor they have those they're called open mic nights
(DIR) Post #AMYb3MbmW48Zd9Rp6e by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-08-15T16:04:22.361424Z
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@thor the socialist football team where every play is decided by vote and anyone plays whatever position they want
(DIR) Post #AMYb6PuQhUM2jicsue by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T16:04:54Z
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@thor It's a good point. Back in the day, we pirated music in order to hear everything and find the good stuff. You should not have to pay to find out if an album is worth owning. But, once you find it, buying it is an imperative.Of course, the instant you start doing this, lots of parasites show up who never intend to buy anything, just want free music.Filtering them out is essential.
(DIR) Post #AMYb96t7sPXYc2IhZA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T16:05:24Z
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@thor I found a way to do it, which was to post 128k mp3s instead of the 256k ones that the only-pirates wanted.
(DIR) Post #AMYbBI0ZVGi7gDp3Pk by n3f_X@nicecrew.digital
2022-08-15T16:05:43.722950Z
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(DIR) Post #AMYbEpUFUFZkNgOLZo by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T16:06:26Z
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@thor The bigger problem is that a small amount of the purchase price goes to the artist.Taxes, middlemen, and costs at the record store ate up most of that.In a saner world, the artist could sell directly.However, we have labels because otherwise you do not find anything except a massive stream of wannabes.It is what is killing metal now.
(DIR) Post #AMYbWnWvV7dXWaDDPc by tipjip@bonn.social
2022-08-15T16:09:34Z
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@vriska @thor Thank you.
(DIR) Post #AMYcywFol5pye0ByC0 by iska@mk.starnix.network
2022-08-15T16:25:58.751Z
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@amerika@noagendasocial.com @thor@berserker.town there is the fact that most (not indie or unionized) producers/developers are paid fully by release, it's the higher ups that get the copies and risks.To me it's also a bitter part of unions.
(DIR) Post #AMYdZmuYSTXINkokmu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T16:32:37Z
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@iska @thor One option would be a label as a service. You pay them for what they do after taking out a loan, and then retain full ownership.Another way is to license content so that after the first print run is done, you become the seller with full rights.The problem here is that it requires the artists to run their own business, acquire their own art, etc.
(DIR) Post #AMYeCutMig4UQav3kO by coldacid@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T16:39:42Z
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@amerika @thor this goes for all forms of media. The publisher's value-add is that they separate the wheat from the chaff for you but what they take in exchange is often not worth it for creator or consumer.
(DIR) Post #AMYg1AEa3GxQRbMlSy by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T16:59:59Z
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@coldacid @thorThe problem is that without the publisher/editor hierarchy, you drown in lots of very similar options.No winners = the quality people leave the game.
(DIR) Post #AMYg5KE8q9uCax93bM by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T17:00:44Z
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@coldacid @thor This is a non-trivial problem, in my view.I would like for artists to take home more of the end result.However, we need something like the publisher/editor structure (or to have the whole thing funded by grants from aristocrats).
(DIR) Post #AMYg7uBA8uakg2ywAi by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T17:01:12Z
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@coldacid @thorAdd the wrinkle that artists are averse to anything like law or business.They do not read contracts.
(DIR) Post #AMYgEsshMm6SgAfo0W by coldacid@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T17:02:28Z
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@amerika @thor it is absolutely non-trivial. Curation is non-trivial in itself, but adding a trust framework (and possibly value framework) on top of that, without reproducing the existing rent-seeking publisher model, feels almost impossible.
(DIR) Post #AMYgKW9mlg8nwELsau by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T17:03:29Z
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@coldacid @thor The only way would be for us to have non-profit labels, but then we have re-invented the grant system except put it in the hands of neurotic low-IQ bureaucrats.
(DIR) Post #AMYgPP7SMRJbYkanWy by coldacid@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T17:04:22Z
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@amerika @thor you mean put it /outside/ the hands of neurotic low-IQ bureaucrats? Because the current grants systems are all currently in the hands of such.
(DIR) Post #AMYgj2rcocMkKMYLxI by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T17:07:55Z
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@coldacid @thor By the current system, you mean NEH/NEA?
(DIR) Post #AMYgoJWgIEuVS6GkD2 by coldacid@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T17:08:52Z
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@amerika @thor systems, plural. Because it's the same kind of idiot everywhere else, just with different flags on their lapel pins.
(DIR) Post #AMYguMsGl1ztZeFmQC by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T17:09:58Z
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@coldacid @thorDunno. Labels seem run by people who are competent at finding winners, until they settle for just bringing in the same amount of money every month.
(DIR) Post #AMYgwrwCEgEkUiHbYu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T17:10:23Z
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@coldacid @thor Rent-seeking kills the label because it is no longer hungry. After all, it has residuals coming in every month and can be a life support system for lots of workers.
(DIR) Post #AMYyNxbAzkHt5hxGcK by iska@mk.starnix.network
2022-08-15T20:25:48.524Z
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@amerika@noagendasocial.com @thor@berserker.town Too complicated, I don't even like copyright...Imagine spending money to be unyable to share while old men argue if placing 5 circles is fair use.
(DIR) Post #AMYyUZTv3m66JviGEC by iska@mk.starnix.network
2022-08-15T20:27:00.248Z
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@thor@berserker.town group chats are often funny.
(DIR) Post #AMZ0OA6ch2eBn1t6f2 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-15T20:48:15Z
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@iska @thor The problem is that without copyright, individuals are not rewarded and creation slows and declines in quality.We are seeing this in metal now. Too many options means no winners, so the musicians who could make great music have fled elsewhere or quit.
(DIR) Post #AMac6pRTsGOhFinnCy by iska@mk.starnix.network
2022-08-16T15:25:37.480Z
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@amerika@noagendasocial.com @thor@berserker.town CR rewards hoarders (sony, WB, disney etc.), not makers. Your metal needs the most promotion.It also stifles creativity and competition - can't do this or that, and even if I may it's better not to risk. So I don't think removing CR would decrease quality.Also, if you think pirating a song before buying is fine, at that point why have copyright? Otherwise, you're saying crime is good.Too many options means no winnersDon't know how that's related to copyright.
(DIR) Post #AMb4GKVaXNhuvS2fx2 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-16T20:41:04Z
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@iska @thor Too many options means no winners = we need labels = we need copyright.As far as hoarding goes, it's not entirely weird to say that after a decade or two copyright reverts to the artist.
(DIR) Post #AMb57bTKCLTusvO0Ui by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2022-08-16T20:50:42.482136Z
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I believe we need some sort of copyright and patent law to incentivise both creation of new works and the publishing of those new works in public. Work won't end if such a system doesn't exist, but in order to get paid those works won't be distributed to the public. Patronage by the rich sounds great, except that the people who tend to get copies of those works are the patrons.To me, the correct reform is to focus copyright and patents. Make them very strong, but for a very limited time. If I sing a song to my child, then my child sings that song to his child, then most of the time that probably shouldn't be something that that child would then grow up and still be owned by someone.Our current arts are dominated by a bunch of old dead guys, showing that copyright at the moment specifically does not incentivize the creation of new works. If things continue, cultural stagnation will result, and arguably is already resulting.
(DIR) Post #AMbthIP7Z3vBsddIjQ by iska@mk.starnix.network
2022-08-17T06:17:24.764Z
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@amerika@noagendasocial.com @thor@berserker.town Labels are contract loans/aggregation. I don't see how it's reducing options, question if it's a good idea, and doubt that copyright is needed.It's even more confusing that we do have winners. Big corpos, memes, games and people like McLeod. This just sounds like a cope.
(DIR) Post #AMcW9MWfd7GR1vySwq by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-17T13:28:15Z
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@iska @thor Without copyright, labels have no exclusivity.Neither does the artist. I can copy his/her work and resell it without passing on a dime.I can't speak to normie music; it just seems repetitive to me and I can't imagine listening to it.But from what I have seen of labels, the big winners are mostly cruising on the trends of 20+ years ago.If you make enough good decisions, you become too big to fail.At that point, taxes are your main enemy so you generate lots of deductions.