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(DIR) Post #AMLTKAkPrRgoT0qWY4 by SilentSam74@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-07T17:54:55Z
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@adam @Johncdvorak so, it WAS the Russians. Just not as we've been told. Pretty crazyhttps://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/08/russian-spies-were-behind-black-nationalists-daniel-greenfield/#.Yuw3pURm2fI.twitter
(DIR) Post #AMLiEaUUjZvhsoC5uS by Genen@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-09T10:53:35Z
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@SilentSam74 @adam @Johncdvorak more Russophobia rehashing Stalin era KGB plots and linking them to blm. Fake news.
(DIR) Post #AMLifjh6cl1iFI2Qj2 by thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social
2022-08-09T10:58:28.342914Z
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What about Yuri? He told us that the Soviets had nearly completed subverting our culture. We never course corrected as far as I can tell. Instead we hired previous terrorists tied to socialist groups into the educational system.
(DIR) Post #AMLnrR1GNl7XZXrehk by RyanG@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-09T11:56:37Z
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@Genen @SilentSam74 @adam @Johncdvorak whether they are tied back to the Kremlin or not. They do have communist aspirations. BLM at one time on their "About US" page. Stating the instruction of the nuclear family. Antifa has its roots in Germany created by the Stalinist group KDP before WWII. Whether connected or not they both are concerning anti-American groups.
(DIR) Post #AMM0zbySppcVGjmh5E by WakWak@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-09T14:23:46Z
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@thatguyoverthereYuri Bezmenov was a British Intelligence Asset describing our domestic operations & ascribing *that* to the Soviet Union, which then justified our "Counter Propaganda" initiatives, which was -- coincidentally -- the demoralization propaganda regime they implementedhttps://espionagehistoryarchive.com/2020/11/19/who-was-yuri-bezmenov-kgb-subversion/#more-1378@Genen @Johncdvorak @SilentSam74 @adam
(DIR) Post #AMM48vaPaRvkYzfTsm by thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social
2022-08-09T14:59:03.377860Z
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Perhaps. This reads to me a lot like how the US government behaved after Snowden. "Oh he's just some low level technician." Yeah maybe. Doesn't make what he did reveal irrelevant though.Meanwhile only a little over a decade after Yuri's 1984 interview we have a president suddenly pardon quite a few domestic terrorists (oddly the same party that is now "cracking down on domestic terrorism") and somehow those same terrorists work there way into the educational system at different levels. I don't know. Seems kind of subverted... Maybe Yuri didn't have all the details. I wish he had been more specific about things. It's possible he embellished his own position and relevance. I'm not even arguing that the US doesn't use the same playbook. I do however have a hard time thinking there is no throughline. What he did say seems to correspond with what has happened with the rest of our history nicely. I don't quite understand the theory that our government started a demoralization campaign on it's own people before being subverted.
(DIR) Post #AMMFpDg5oOpmKdh6Fk by WakWak@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-09T17:09:58Z
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@thatguyoverthereInterestingly enough, those "domestic terrorists" that were pardoned, in the COINTELPRO papers, had several large sections of their files blacked out due to "national security" concerns. Weird how their shenanigans helped give the FBI cause to crack down on dissent.. Almost like they were using the New Left & women's liberation folks to run a counterinsurgency operation designed to destabilize dissident groupshttps://thirdworldtraveler.com/FBI/COINTELPRO_Paranoia.html@Genen @Johncdvorak @SilentSam74 @adam
(DIR) Post #AMMGsEaSzIU1yV41cu by WakWak@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-09T17:21:43Z
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@thatguyoverthereA strong unified left-right coalition will always be the most terrifying thing to our deep state -- divisive groups all tearing each other down keeps us weak & this is why one gets the bullet & the other gets pardoned & propagated throughout our institutions @Genen @Johncdvorak @SilentSam74 @adam
(DIR) Post #AMMj57IWCMvfqdbG9A by thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social
2022-08-09T22:37:46.512411Z
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I may not be tracking exactly what you are putting down. I am not suggesting the FBI, CIA, or NSA are clean. I’m not sure their illegal surveillance and manipulation of political organizations means there was no Soviet involvement in the political turmoil also.This article is a good one. I like the depth and appreciate that it’s contemporary to the time period in question. I don’t see anything to indicate that Bill Ayers or Susan Rosenberg were somehow framed or unwittingly part of a false flag. There is one mentioning of a persuasion campaign of interest:In Seattle, FBI agent Louis Harris recruited David Sannes in 1970, a patriotic veteran who was willing to help them catch some bombers. Sannes worked with explosives expert Jeffrey Paul Desmond and FBI agent Bert Carter. Their instructions were to find people interested in bombing. “For a few of the members it was a matter of many weeks of persuasion to actually have them carry through with the bombing projects,” said Sannes. When Carter made it clear that he planned to have one bomber die in a booby-trapped explosion, Sannes dropped his FBI work and went public. “My own knowledge is that the FBI along with other Federal law enforcement agencies has been involved in a campaign of bombing, arson and terrorism in order to create in the mass public mind a connection between political dissidence of whatever stripe and revolutionaries of whatever violent tendencies,” Sannes reported in an interview on WBAI radio.[9]I could be mistaken, but this is not related to the WU. This reminds me of the Whitmer plot on some levels.
(DIR) Post #AMMoYS1GjZ8YHgL3ho by Genen@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-09T23:39:07Z
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@RyanG @SilentSam74 @adam @Johncdvorak Russia is more capitalist than the US right now... if anyone is spreading communism it's the US.
(DIR) Post #AMMobgEIMEORDzyHmC by Genen@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-09T23:39:42Z
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@thatguyoverthere @Johncdvorak @SilentSam74 @adam Scapegoating was always a skill the state department cultivated!
(DIR) Post #AMMskZvDZvGw5JXxOy by RyanG@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-10T00:26:07Z
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@Genen @SilentSam74 @adam @Johncdvorak sadly that's more true every day.
(DIR) Post #AMNgqzuoqLJY9EcA5I by thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social
2022-08-10T09:47:30.370978Z
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So the Soviets didn't also do much of the same things we did and are doing? I'm not sure I buy their innocence.I will say I don't trust recorded history to be accurate regardless of who did the recording. It's possible the Soviet system was a good system that would have worked without interference. History as I currently understand it says it was a brutal system destined to fail, and we likely helped to speed that failure along.At the end of the day "state department bad" doesn't negate "Soviets bad" as far as I can tell. I find it hard to see that government as a victim considering how it rose to power and how they treated their people. I do see the soviet citizens as victims, especially after having read "From America with Love".
(DIR) Post #AMOBX7hfH9vH5ZSse8 by Genen@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-10T15:31:18Z
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@thatguyoverthere @Johncdvorak @SilentSam74 @adam The issue is many people see Soviet Communists = Russia… that’s literally like seeing modern day (green socialist) Germany = Nazi Germany. Yes the same language and geography, but totally different government and mentality of people. Russia today is more pro business capitalism than US. The companies that pulled out of Russia say as much in earnings reports.
(DIR) Post #AMOC7x5LiSO2s96X1U by thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social
2022-08-10T15:37:56.628825Z
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I've never suggested that I see things this way though. I agree with you that things have changed a lot over the years. I don't believe the modern hype. I don't think they are perfect but I think we are probably more like the Soviets than they are these days, and it seems some soviet expats that live here may have similar concerns.
(DIR) Post #AMOE7Ek2mhH9FdvS4G by Genen@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-10T16:00:14Z
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@thatguyoverthere @Johncdvorak @SilentSam74 @adam most Soviet expats are Russophobis. The made a decision to leave their homeland. They had to stop loving it. Had to make the break to give up friends and relatives… and for that, they will always hate where they were born. I’m dealing with this every day in the expat circles. It’s irrational, but the same thing happened to Germans who left in the 1930s… they hated Germany till they died.
(DIR) Post #AMOHR2or7YtRveJT6G by thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social
2022-08-10T16:37:24.971594Z
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Yeah that's understandable to a degree. I was speaking more about the people who've voiced concerns about the direction our own government is taking. People who thought this country was a haven from tyranny I guess you could say regardless of how they feel about their homeland today.
(DIR) Post #AMOzhD4r94iMMOJd7A by WakWak@noagendasocial.com
2022-08-11T00:53:22Z
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@thatguyoverthereAh, that first part I was referencing the COINTELPRO papers book:http://library.lol/main/F539B3DC6010395B4CF3E269EC19AAB3 In the beginning the authors discuss the copious amount of deletions made in the FOIA documents they received from the FBI & mention Susan Rosenberg in particular had some 95,000 pages of her file blacked out.& no I wouldn't say the Soviets had zero influence on us, just that our current problems are predominantly problems of our own making@Genen @Johncdvorak @SilentSam74 @adam