Post AMLTKJ38zhQKDPfaqm by ilobmirt@tech.lgbt
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(DIR) Post #AMLH4Jd3sEH5ve4vwG by linmob@fosstodon.org
2022-08-09T05:49:09Z
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My PinePhone saw too many posts saying it was a failure lately, and now it's sad.
(DIR) Post #AMLHGoNFOH7Gl1dkO0 by linmob@fosstodon.org
2022-08-09T05:51:24Z
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What do you think? Has the PinePhone failed?
(DIR) Post #AMLHJaGSJ1snrlmkgC by linmob@fosstodon.org
2022-08-09T05:51:54Z
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What do you think? Has the PinePhone failed?
(DIR) Post #AMLHY0nKSpNUCc2d2O by enigma@norden.social
2022-08-09T05:54:30Z
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@linmobmaybe complainers didn't give their pines summer holidays and more vacancies or rest 😉
(DIR) Post #AMLI4Oz83nw2Uh0PD6 by dylanvanassche@fosstodon.org
2022-08-09T06:00:22Z
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@linmob Without the PinePhone, there won't be so many mobile distros because the hardware was unavailable before the PinePhone came. Yes, things could be better, but that's always the case.
(DIR) Post #AMLIrkBI2gGcQFDoMS by leimon@social.librem.one
2022-08-09T06:09:17Z
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@linmob Absolutely not! I think the linux phone ecosystem is only thriving as well as it is now because of the existence of both the pinephone and the Librem 5. I think it is important that there are options at multiple price points. Purism's big contribution was in Phosh, phoc and squeekboard. Pine64's big contribution was getting out devices quickly and cheaply to developers. In a lot of ways, I view the pinephone as the raspberry pi of the linux phone world...
(DIR) Post #AMLLYjXaUyfsnSHIyO by cristiioan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-09T06:39:24Z
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@linmob PinePhone has both failed and succeeded. The software is one part of the equation, but hardware is the thing that makes PinePhone to fail. If it had somewhat better hardware, it would be much better.
(DIR) Post #AMLMhlcUEpNBnyRP2O by gortbrown@fosstodon.org
2022-08-09T06:52:18Z
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@linmob if I remember correctly, it's purpose was to be for developers to build and test distros, and for enthusiasts to try stuff out along the way. I think it's succeeded in that goal. It's offered a more open platform for building and testing distros so it can be better on devices that might not allow such openness.
(DIR) Post #AMLNaEufXhTIIHv6iu by vancha@fosstodon.org
2022-08-09T07:02:10Z
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@linmob I don't think so. Actually it's kind of the only one in it's class. I want a phone that runs open source software, and i don't like either android or ios, so the only thing i *can* get is a pinephone.It may have some ways to go, but it's linux, on a phone, and it works. I'd say that's quite a feat already ^^
(DIR) Post #AMLO9ntrSBzuwJV65w by atlas_core@linuxrocks.online
2022-08-09T07:08:35Z
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@linmob it's very niche, not like an Android or iOS phone. for a specific market or subset of people.
(DIR) Post #AMLORAANv8YUv9VUEi by enigma@norden.social
2022-08-09T07:11:43Z
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@linmobthis question reminds me on my fairphone. Remarkable to me was how the goal of fair traded ressources e.g. war-metals was really not reached . But many others of FP did. So main goal of pine64 to substitute android by linux also may have failed. But there are many sub goals reached that it is fair enough to me to keep both phones
(DIR) Post #AMLPhDeqo7AsKvye2q by lotusronin@mastodon.room409.xyz
2022-08-09T07:25:46Z
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@linmob Has it helped spark mobile linux + mobile friendly GUI dev? Yes.Helped make the idea of a Linux 1st phone experience very tangible and accessible? Yes.Are there still rough corners in the UX? Yes. Battery life, especially the Pro, Performance for non pro, MMS support for those of us with poor network choices available, _call_ support by mobile networks, "quality" app choices, etc...Still really excited by all the progress but: Would I use it as my daily driver? No.
(DIR) Post #AMLTKJ38zhQKDPfaqm by ilobmirt@tech.lgbt
2022-08-09T08:05:25Z
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@linmob I think the biggest weakpoint would be the modem. I see most other phones moving on to 5g networks and 2g+3g are starting to sunset. I can imagine that in a blink of an eye, this current modem will not stand the test of a decade.This could be time looking for a future-proof modem that will provide less headaches than has with our current Quectel EG25-G.I still will call the hardware a success developing something cheap and quick that supports a full-fledged linux OS.
(DIR) Post #AMLXpI76vLAg6dYUxU by dubstar_04@fosstodon.org
2022-08-09T08:56:55Z
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@linmob the pinephone itself serves a purpose, to encourage development of Linux on mobile. That has been a tremendous success. What is frustrating is that we don't have a viable option for a consumer ready daily driver device but I don't believe the pinephone was ever marketed as such. We need to more as a community to enable that consumer ready experience and the pinephone is there to support that.
(DIR) Post #AMLbXJkCWT4nlcWaJM by scottt@social.librem.one
2022-08-09T09:38:30Z
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@linmob it's definitely not a failure - it's intended as a development device, and even then I've been using mine as my only phone for almost 2 years now. I do find it frustrating that the Pine64 business model relies on all the software being developed for free by the community, and although the community has done a great job, I don't think that great stability or a solid user experience are going to be possible from people working just in their spare time.
(DIR) Post #AMLxpEwjIX3p5gKtZA by JJS_10@mastodon.online
2022-08-09T13:48:14Z
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@linmob I've been daily driving mine for a year now, so I'd say no, not a failure.Just look at how far Linux OS's for mobile have come in the last year. Now imagine what that would look like without the PinePhone.
(DIR) Post #AMMCXS6r7JLA1334vg by jan_wagemakers@social.linux.pizza
2022-08-09T16:33:00Z
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@linmob A #pinephone with #postmarketOS / #sxmo and a #E-ink display would be nice.
(DIR) Post #AMMZAtbb1IX1ZtdlmC by Muemmel@chaos.social
2022-08-09T20:46:45Z
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@linmobI think, the Software side is most important. There is progress, but it feels a bit to slow. For be a no go is, that many environments virtual terminal only enables European languages. Although creating the Pinephone helped the progress in mobile Linux a lot, it sufferers from 2 sides. A) it not so long around, B) it's a niche in the Linux community.
(DIR) Post #AMNAbvpOYqoAasqkAS by astheroth@freespeechextremist.com
2022-08-10T03:46:16.034359Z
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@linmob Just quit Pinephone from Linux based mobile phones and you will have the answer.What would you get?1. An overpriced Purism Librem 52. More niche products who are not even known to their developers' moms, as the fxtec or just zombie things as the jing pad.Other linux based products had passed their hype years ago, as Jolla's one for example or never went a thing, as neo900.Maybe Pine64 should be far open bc its chips cannot run libre software fully BUT they are doing all the manpower to make more and more linux based mobile systems than ever.
(DIR) Post #AMNKp5T322A1nSJCQy by hamblingreen@fosstodon.org
2022-08-10T05:40:35Z
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@linmob i could not be happier with mine. it's few shortcomings have been the result of my newbie-ness. although in 2 and a half months it'll be a year since i recieved my pinephone and switched to using linux on mobile full-time. who needs a clunky desktop when you have a linux desktop + mobile phone in your pocket? i'm tellin' ya, mobile linux is the future without a doubt. how long widespread adoption takes depends (partly) on this community.
(DIR) Post #AMNNLS4ohsNT5oXFAW by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2022-08-10T06:08:55.356922Z
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@astheroth Linux you say?Why do you insist on naming the whole OS after a kernel?I have Gentoo GNU/Linux installed on my Pinephone and it's working fine for me.
(DIR) Post #AMNUGUhAF8J3Rf3Swi by spherical@fosstodon.org
2022-08-10T07:26:27Z
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@linmob It is definitely not a phone for the masses and therefore I feel as a daily driver for the average person it would fail to provide an adequate experience. But it wasnt made to be a phone for everyone. It was made as a device that allowed developers to acquire a relatively cheap device that they could use to aid the development of mobile linux. I feel that the pinephone has been a great success in that way.
(DIR) Post #AMQKOoCnAlDQCi3R5s by astheroth@freespeechextremist.com
2022-08-11T16:20:04.781002Z
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@Suiseiseki Because there are Linux distros that doesn't have GNU like alpine linux. The main reason to name distros as GNU/LInux is having some gnu tool (mainly gcc and glibc) at the core. Alpine doesn't which means, it's not a GNU/Linux Distro. In fact, Haiku is more "gnu" than Alpine, so the term is obsolete and not exact. Do you name Haiku as GNU/Haiku because it uses gcc for example?No.
(DIR) Post #AMRI9dy2wt8nMFl4Sm by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2022-08-12T03:29:09.591832Z
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@astheroth >BecauseI'm sorry, it's invalid to start sentences with "because", since that word only makes sense when you do: x because y.>there are Linux distros that doesn't have GNUYes, all distributions of the kernel, Linux don't have GNUReferring to a a bunch of software by the name of the kernel makes no sense at all.>alpine linuxAlpine is a BusyBox/Linux distro, as instead of GNU, it has BusyBox.I don't even understand why it has "Linux" in the name, as the particular kernel isn't very relevant for Alpine, the other software is more relevant.If you trace the dependencies of Alpine, you actually will find many dependencies on GNU packages, but you still shouldn't refer to Alpine as a GNU/Linux distro, as it doesn't provide by default the GNU packages that users expect.>The main reason to name distros as GNU/LInux is having some gnu tool (mainly gcc and glibc) at the coreBtw, it's not "gnu", it's; GNU.GNU is many pieces of software, not just a compiler, a c library and coreutils.If a distro has gcc, glibc and coreutils, typically it has a bunch of other GNU software, which is why I refer to such distros as GNU/Linux.>Alpine doesn't which means, it's not a GNU/Linux DistroI have never claimed that Alpine is a GNU/Linux distro, I have always said it's a BusyBox/Linux distro.>Haiku is more "gnu" than AlpineI don't know about that, as I haven't checked the amount of GNU in Alpine and Haiku.If I was to guess, I would say that Alpine probably relies on more GNU software (although indirectly) than Haiku.>the term is obsolete and not exactYes, GNU/Linux is not always exact, sometimes more accurate to say something like; systemd/Linux for example.It's the shortest valid shortening that also gives respect to Linus (although it seems he loves allowing too much proprietary software to be added to Linux), maybe it would be better to refer to such as just GNU.>Do you name Haiku as GNU/Haiku because it uses gcc for example?Just because something uses gcc to compile it doesn't mean that the result is GNU.I refer to Haiku as just Haiku, as it's clear as to what I'm talking about.
(DIR) Post #AMRNbyKfKGo2OhfJuy by astheroth@freespeechextremist.com
2022-08-12T04:30:47.101323Z
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@Suiseiseki Yeah, better call it systemd/linux