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(DIR) Post #AMItt8ctkprHMDmds0 by Fandar@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T00:19:28.339749Z
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Should saying the word 'bitch' be considered just as bad as saying the N word?
(DIR) Post #AMIttdGHqxBuN4RWQi by GalacticTurtle@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T00:24:29.291082Z
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@Fandar Personally I’m not sure why any given society makes some words worse than others. To me, both fall into the bucket of “derogatory vocabulary” and both are used highly frequently by many people around me. It’s only when I’m around people who aren’t black that one word becomes Voldemort.
(DIR) Post #AMIttdk44F0hrQNIqO by GalacticTurtle@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T00:30:53.083845Z
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@Fandar I have been called a “nigger bitch” before though so congrats to them for being thorough? XD
(DIR) Post #AMItuGD72gpDAWG2Oe by angryandignored@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T01:20:12.031351Z
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@GalacticTurtle @Fandar You must have done something to short circuit their brain. Insults generally mean someone's losing an argument and they've got nothing left so they just start throwing out words and hoping for reactions.
(DIR) Post #AMItuGgXHIMQdm1XG4 by GalacticTurtle@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T01:23:46.746234Z
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@angryandignored @Fandar Nah this was just a crazy elderly white lady following me down the street in NYC. I guess she was having bad day!
(DIR) Post #AMIu5WZwWfpJ7SJ7tA by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T02:22:16.428721Z
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@Fandar There’s no logical reason that one awful word directed at a group of people should be worse than another.
(DIR) Post #AMJqEdJIf7P5wcZRNw by FeralDandelion@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T13:07:27.977696Z
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@AbolishPregnancy @Blackgendermoderate I think people should always stop to self-analyze the “why” behind the feelings words and concepts evoke, so, personally I like this survey, as it encourages thinking and conversation. That said, I absolutely consider (when either word is said with user intending as insult) “ni-“ to be way more offensive than “bi”, and it doesn’t boil down to de-prioritization of women. A short explanation being one can be bitchy, it happens. The word also is just a word- like “ass” is a donkey, “bitch” is a mother dog. The other word exists in English for one reason-to promote hate that is so deeply institutionalized that it has led to publicly celebrated brutality, severe economic inequality, and destroyed communities and families as fill our jails with the people who don’t deserve to be there. Is there institutional shitting on women? Ab-so-fuckin-lutely. But it is not the same.
(DIR) Post #AMJqSy0wTxwoD7ophA by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T13:16:23.744181Z
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@FeralDandelion @Blackgendermoderate “Ass” isn’t a gendered insult aimed at a particular group of people. Why do we casually use a word intended to refer to women as animals? In any form?The answer is misogyny. Degrading women is normal and people who object are laughed at as uptight, busybodies, feminazis… bitches.
(DIR) Post #AMJrBDVcEbKH0aGYpU by PennyLope@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T13:24:24.088326Z
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@AbolishPregnancy @FeralDandelion @Blackgendermoderate In the UK/Ireland you'd hear the word cow directed at women only too (lol cows as a neutral insult is fairly recent). The only animalistic term I can think of that's directed at men is 'sexist pig' and even then you do occasionally hear of women being referred to as pigs for being apparently fat or ugly, so even that can't be claimed exclusively by men.Also, when someone is referred to as an ass (as opposed to dumbass) I assume its a comparison to a bum, because we call people arses over here but we don't call a donkey an arse.
(DIR) Post #AMJsdXZTKxphID8iJc by FeartnTired@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T13:36:25.604575Z
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@PennyLope @AbolishPregnancy @FeralDandelion @Blackgendermoderate same, arse. ass is seen as slightly more polite version of arse, we don't call donkeys asses anyway. here a woman is a bird (burd) also, and more often, a man referring to his girlfriend as 'ma burd'. I think the alignment of animal terms is because women, publicly, as pregnant beings means the rarified 'humans are higher things than animals' was a pretence that visibly failed. which men took advantage of to try and say that men are intellectual and women are base, and stupid.intersectional feminism - original flavour - was an acknowledgement that black women had 2 counts against them. I don't think bitch is as bad as n*, but I don't like the c word being used so much either.
(DIR) Post #AMJt4GT32IFq47sTqq by FeralDandelion@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T13:44:31.096998Z
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@AbolishPregnancy @Blackgendermoderate No, “ass” isn’t gendered, but it and “bitch” are just that, offensive insults, like those other insults you list- descriptive words intended to degrade, not kill (even if killing does happen). Using the word in the form “bitchy” also has a specific meaning IMO; it describes a mental state that I’m not sure I can pick another word to substitute for conveying the same meaning. Although it is technically a gendered term, it can describe anyone. I’ve been called a “bitch” many times and never have I felt it was rooted in some societal plan to eradicate me and all other women (not that the word DOESN’T get used that way, but it doesn’t HAVE TO). “Nigger” on the other hand, with the exception of black people talking amongst themselves, I’ve only ever heard in the context of being rooted in “ethnic cleansing” with only one meaning. There’s no alternate way to use “ni” in a sentence. Its meaning and intent is so insidiously omnipresent that I have to be careful who I trust in my spiritual practice. Just the other day I accidentally started watching a white supremacy video because it was posted with descriptions of spiritual paganism. That is NOT something I want accidentally get associated with. Someone can call me a “bi” and then apologize later because it is a socially normalized word that may not hold much weight… no one is going to call me “ni”, but if they did call someone that, I wouldn’t trust them ever again. ….I did once get called “a nice little White girl” by some nasty skinhead in passing while I was getting a coffee once though, and it has stuck with me for 2+ decades…I don’t think I’ve ever had something make me feel so cringy vomit-in-the-mouth as that did.
(DIR) Post #AMJuUGhYt7iwH6d6xM by FeralDandelion@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T13:47:26.988845Z
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@FeartnTired @PennyLope @AbolishPregnancy @Blackgendermoderate It’s funny- I actually get more hung up on the “MY” part of phrases like that… I reel against ownership of other humans. I feel similarly about govt. officiated marriage. It’s legalized bondage and prostitution, imo.
(DIR) Post #AMJuUHCP2SOTol3k1o by FeartnTired@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T13:55:26.184958Z
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@FeralDandelion @PennyLope @AbolishPregnancy @Blackgendermoderate (pedant alert. it's rail against).I see it differently. I fully acknowledge the past of goods and chattels marriage contracts, but I feel committing yourself to one person, to create family, has societal value. and that it is - should be - an equal partnership, the possession runs in both directions. The improvements - rape within marriage being a crime, coercive control being a crime, divorce bein not just possible but easier, equal marriage aka same sex marriage - I think helps towards the institution of marriage having value. I hate weddings. performative, competitive misery. Exceptions apply. And OBVIOUSLY the enforcement of women's rights within a marriage are still woeful. But I think that goes in general. A man abusing his girlfriend is no better, legally, for her than him abusing her as his wife. Or a stranger.Having achieved equal marriage in law, I would have liked to see civil partnerships become a way for unrelated adults to adopt one another as family. Some are lucky enough to have friend close enough, and dependable enough to be as family. Whether that's in addition to blood relatives or instead of.an odd use of my here is the tendency to refer to your parents as my (or ma, depending on accent) which when my brother (the brother unfortunately of me) refered to "my dad" **to me** rather than "our dad" it felt like he was trying to cut me out. But then I didn't have a great relationship with either of them, so was possible just a bit raw.
(DIR) Post #AMMF5WQBn9nH8vSte4 by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T17:01:42.449088Z
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@FeralDandelion @Blackgendermoderate This is nothing but excuses to give men power to degrade women.I realize I may be coming off hostile but I’m getting pretty sick of feminists trying and failing to explain, on a site for and about women, why anti-woman words are less disgusting than racist ones.So a woman calling a man a nigger or using that word against someone is vile, threatening, no excuse at all for it… and there truly isn’t one… and a man referring to a woman as a LITERAL FEMALE DOG can’t compare.FUCK. THAT. SHIT.
(DIR) Post #AMMFAxAZloXnY5kgb2 by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T17:02:41.971687Z
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@FeralDandelion This is nothing but excuses to give men power to degrade women.I realize I may be coming off as hostile but I’m getting pretty sick of feminists trying and failing to explain, on a site for and about women, why anti-woman words are less disgusting than racist ones.So a woman calling a man a nigger or using that word against someone is vile, threatening, no excuse at all for it… and there truly isn’t one… and a man referring to a woman as a LITERAL FEMALE DOG can’t compare.FUCK. THAT. SHIT.
(DIR) Post #AMMHcmJDwVV9slC0Qa by FeralDandelion@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T17:17:09.620400Z
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@AbolishPregnancy I wouldn’t call you hostile. You’re entitled to your opinions and associated feelings. I’m not trying to convince you to share my opinion, so I haven’t failed at explaining anything, we just disagree.
(DIR) Post #AMMHcmcMnKoWq89IGW by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T17:30:07.530306Z
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@FeralDandelion I have not seen one single explanation as to why misogyny is somehow less vile than racism, and why men should have power over women, other than “I feel it in my heart.” Not one.
(DIR) Post #AMMHxJWMAhOug87y8O by FeralDandelion@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T17:33:38.042198Z
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@AbolishPregnancy Ok. My opinion is definitely not one supporting men having power over women in any circumstance. We do not disagree over the importance of men not having power over women, we appear to differ in what power which words hold. Let it sit.
(DIR) Post #AMMJSGLI8fp7kgH0Ua by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T17:50:38.688123Z
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@Fandar Interesting thought. Words have power. I do not like censoring words per se, but as humans living in society, there are times and places when the use of certain words is not socially acceptable. If we're talking about hurling insults, then all insults by their very nature are rude. Otherwise it would depend on many things; is it the written or spoken word? Is it quoted speech? Fiction or non-fiction? Context? Remember that there are people around now who would have us think that the word woman is unacceptable.
(DIR) Post #AMMQiBy6rsayUzyOIK by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T19:11:56.833779Z
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@GalacticTurtle @Fandar Exactly. Why the idiotic debate over which dehumanization on the basis of race or gender is "worse"? People deserve basic respect. End.The entire argument that "bitch" is not as bad has nothing to do with acknowledging the harmfulness of racism. It's all about telling women that their degradation is something they must live with. Unlike any other group.
(DIR) Post #AMMQlUnvIHFpmlmeNU by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T19:12:33.259528Z
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@GalacticTurtle @angryandignored @Fandar That's no lady!
(DIR) Post #AMMRSIbGXo5eO4H17I by FemaleIsNotAFeeling@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T18:47:22.863835Z
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@AbolishPregnancy @Fandar (I want to tag @Blackgendermoderate on this too.)Now, here's my two cents on why the N-word can be seen as more offensive than the b word:I want to start by pointing out that both are harmful words, used to insult and degrade a class of people. Both words come with oppressive class roots...one racism, one misogyny. I don't think analyzing the power of the WORDS should necessarily dictate the power of the oppression...and by that I mean that I don't think comparing the words should necessarily dictate "which oppression is WORSE."So in this case, I think we should focus on the historical context of the words and not get into a debate ON whether racism or misogyny is worse, but take a look at how the words have been used to justify WHAT means. Let's start with the definitions of the words. According to the Oxford dictionary, the word "bitch" means: 1. Noun - A female dog, wolf, fox, or otter.2. Informal - Express displeasure; grumble."They bitch about everything." Right off we can see that the word "bitch" was not created for the express purpose of insulting women. It has a meaning in the animal world, (to denote specific female animals) but it also has a meaning in the informal sense that doesn't have anything to do with women (or men for that matter) at all...i.e. "They bitch about everything" like a substitute for the word "complain."Now let's look at the definition of the word "Nigger":"Noun: A contemptuous term for a black or dark-skinned person."And that's it. It has no informal tone, it has no other meaning than to specifically degrade black people. Now, you cannot have a true appreciation for the intensity and power of this word and what it was used to do, if you don't understand the dark history of slavery and what this word was specifically used to justify doing to people of color, (specifically black people).An entire race of people were dehumanized by the use of this word, which in turn justified the kidnapping and enslavement of an entire race of human beings for over 4 centuries. Both black women and men were chained up, sold at slave markets, beaten, raped, butchered, murdered, experimented on, and their physical labor - used to build America.Black men and women were deemed inferior "niggers" and were stolen from their homelands, chained, rushed aboard ships, and drowned in the sea with their babes. (see the Amistad)1. https://www.history.com/news/the-amistad-slave-rebellion-175-years-agoBlack women that made it to the colonies were spit on, called "niggers," and had their babies ripped from their arms and thrown in rivers to drown, then were forced to be wet nurses for white children. Black babies that were not killed, eventually starved for want of milk that their mothers could not produce, because they had already fed it to white babies. See a black wet nurse's poem:"I wish I dried upI wish every drop of my milk slipped passed those pink lips and nourished the groundWhere the bones layOf my babiesStarved while I feed their murdererI wish I dried upSo the missus babies would dry up tooAnd be brittleSo I could crumble them to dustReturn them to the groundWhere all children of my bosom lay equal."Black females were called "nigger" and then were surgically experimented on without anesthesia (see J. Marion Sims "The Father of Gynecology")2. https://www.history.com/news/the-father-of-modern-gynecology-performed-shocking-experiments-on-slavesAnd "The Mothers of Gynecology"3. https://nursingclio.org/2018/04/04/remembering-the-mothers-of-gynecology/Black men and women weren't allowed to drink out of public water fountains, use public bathrooms, shop in public stores, and had no legal rights - because they were deemed "niggers."....sub-human...less than animals. Even oppressed white women were still able to do these basic things above. Yes white women could not vote, work, own property, have bank accounts, but neither could people of color and white women could still do all of the above and more - even if they were "bitches." AND they had some power in society that black men and women did not, even if they were "bitches." All a white woman had to do was say she felt threatened by a black man and they would be mutilated and lynched, (see Emmett Till) 3. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Emmett-TillThis is only the tip of the iceberg, but hopefully you can appreciate the power of the n word and what it was used to justify doing to an entire race of human beings - both men, women, children, and babies. The word bitch is still harmful, but it never specifically accounted for the mass slaughter of women. Again, the n-word specifically was used to dehumanize black people. The word bitch is a borrowed word from animal terminology that also can mean "to complain." They just aren't the same. I'm sorry if you disagree, but I stand firm on this. We can agree to disagree...I won't block you if you don't agree.
(DIR) Post #AMMRSJ6Sfp2lworvk0 by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T19:20:16.888446Z
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@FemaleIsNotAFeeling @Fandar @Blackgendermoderate An entire class of human beings are treated like animals on the basis of gender, by the same people who use this word and depend on justifications like this to continue degrading us with public approval. They use it to demean us ********because it refers to female animals.*********** The word was chosen to be hurled at us for that specific reason. I could spend paragraph after paragraph describing the violence done to women that equals any committed against any group of people. You're cherry-picking which parts of history to cite for your argument.
(DIR) Post #AMMS4rBkOTMsfJitnM by FemaleIsNotAFeeling@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T19:26:50.124790Z
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@AbolishPregnancy @Fandar @Blackgendermoderate Sorry, that's not a rebuttal. It's an anger-fueled double-down. But have at it. 🤷♀️
(DIR) Post #AMMSB980bi6o2eyQ76 by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T19:28:23.579527Z
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@FemaleIsNotAFeeling @Fandar @Blackgendermoderate I said nothing rude or nasty to you so I don't know where this came from.
(DIR) Post #AMMUVLqREjdjBKW8Y4 by FemaleIsNotAFeeling@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T19:41:02.888401Z
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@AbolishPregnancy @Fandar @Blackgendermoderate You said I was cherry-picking, when I pretty much briefly laid out the history of black slavery to map out what the n-word has been historically used to do to an entire race of human beings. Not sure how that was cherry picking. Why don't you try laying out your case point by point calmly? And again, you're going to have to prove how the word "bitch" was used to enact every point you make, like I did with black slavery and the n-word.Also, I don't think you really read my reply, because I specifically said this should not be looked at as the oppression Olympics, but what the WORD has been historically and objectively used to JUSTIFY DOING to people. So it's not about racism or sexism being worse, the poll here was basically asking which WORD is WORSE. You're looking at it like the people who think the n word is more offensive than bitch, means that women were never oppressed. And that means you're not paying attention to the discourse.
(DIR) Post #AMMUVMN3HTjAoTmBNo by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T19:54:26.684846Z
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@FemaleIsNotAFeeling @Fandar @Blackgendermoderate Nothing wrong with talking about black American history but you totally ignored sexual violence, harassment, abortion restrictions, trafficking, honor killings, women as property, surrogacy, etc. All of which I could go into in graphic detail.That's cool you acknowledge women are oppressed but denying the sickness of using words intended to demean femaleness is part of the problem.It doesn't matter what the targeted slur is. Verbal dehumanization is used to justify violence.
(DIR) Post #AMMV9Mabt4954hC1pI by FemaleIsNotAFeeling@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T19:57:48.244106Z
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@AbolishPregnancy @Fandar @Blackgendermoderate You just don't seem to have very good reading comprehension. I don't need to get into abortion access, honor killings, surrogacy, because none of those things are being done, because of the word "bitch." How can you not get this? Do you have like a 3rd grade reading level?? You're on thin+ ice...chopping blawk is coming...
(DIR) Post #AMMV9N9Lntw0oRRlya by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T20:01:40.888310Z
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@FemaleIsNotAFeeling @Fandar @Blackgendermoderate Ok, then racist violence isn't being done because of the word "nigger." Do you see what's wrong here.
(DIR) Post #AMMVuYiabv6eIlQiUi by FemaleIsNotAFeeling@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T20:04:34.709029Z
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@AbolishPregnancy @Fandar @Blackgendermoderate Now you're starting to understand what I'm saying! Finally! Although yes...it is attributed to the word nigger, which was a word specifically curated to the dehumanization of black slaves. It has no other meaning. Bitch does. Revisit the definitions. Bitch is an animal term borrowed to insult women and a word that means "to complain" - nigger is an derogatory term against blacks. It has no other meaning.
(DIR) Post #AMMVuZ9B14NDdDrww4 by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T20:10:12.846870Z
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@FemaleIsNotAFeeling @Fandar @Blackgendermoderate As I said before, I disagree that the words' origin meaningfully impacts the vileness of using them as slurs.Question. If I continue explaining my position, are you going to continue hatefully insulting me as I have never done to you?
(DIR) Post #AMMWWyphxs8wId52IK by FemaleIsNotAFeeling@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T20:13:00.954967Z
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@AbolishPregnancy @Fandar @Blackgendermoderate We can agree to disagree. I'm okay with that. I just got upset when you were putting words I never said in my mouth. Perhaps this can be attributed to online "lost in translation." Now that we understand each other - it's all good with me. ✅
(DIR) Post #AMMWWzDoWFQRVOMHrs by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T20:17:08.624373Z
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@FemaleIsNotAFeeling @Fandar @Blackgendermoderate I think I need to remove myself from this discussion and come back to it both due to my own beliefs vs those of people here, and due to the way you chose to reply to me when I had never been hostile. I never meant to imply that you don't care about women or see them as lesser than black men. If I came off that way, I'm truly sorry.
(DIR) Post #AMMZG68Lrq3lsjRTXM by FemaleIsNotAFeeling@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T20:44:27.532804Z
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@AbolishPregnancy @Fandar @Blackgendermoderate I'm sorry too. 🤜❤️🤛
(DIR) Post #AMMZG6jDelYBj4gv0C by AbolishPregnancy@spinster.xyz
2022-08-09T20:47:42.996582Z
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@FemaleIsNotAFeeling @Fandar @Blackgendermoderate I appreciate that.
(DIR) Post #AMMZci6jMVo61hSyem by angryandignored@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T01:12:31.349100Z
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@GalacticTurtle @Fandar I think it's supposed to be about the values of the culture/society you're in?If people don't speak specific words while being knowledgeable of them, or only use them when trying to be extremely insulting, it could be because they have learned of the history behind the words and choose to keep it in mind by censoring themselves. All children need to be taught how to speak specific languages and therefore need to be taught words, including insulting words. However many children do learn the insults different ways. Some may learn by being insulted, witnessing the insult used while violence is committed against someone and specifically if it's used against someone the child depends on, witnessing the insult used in media depicting violence, through the study of history or by having it be verbally explained. The person who explains could be a source of authority, a peer who's competing socially or a mentor. The thing about words is they are the real social constructs. They don't have to keep the meanings originally attributed to them and language, without insane social media connection of the current time, has always changed and evolved. It's literally how we developed other languages. I think there is a lot to be said when insults are spoken and how likely someone speaking it is to know that the insult would likely be connected to a real trauma of someone else because the insult applies to linking a physical characteristic to dehumanization. I'd say actions speak louder than words and it's actually the choice to censor oneself from insulting labels out of respect, even if done with only a vague understand of what the historical horrors were. There's also the idea that even if a child doesn't understand the horrors that they respect their elders by not using "curse" words or slurs. Then there's the fact that people make their own close relationships which include intimacy that defies broader norms. You joke about things that are normally forbidden. It demonstrates a higher level of trust between two people or a group of people. I'm at a point where I'm literally thinking of how "terf" was just a meaningless noise and string of letters until recently. The fact that women really have been raped and killed for being women and homosexually attracted to other women by those who use words like "terf" to makes the word "terf" a signal now. They have been killed by men who would celebrate the dehumanization of women and the desexing of women because it is their belief system that women are to be subservient to the point of being unworthy of distinguishment. It's meaning was created. Words likewise don't have to be considered important and each individual has their own ways of choosing to perceive things.Intention is important. We all have influence. We also all have things that we can't change in physical reality and there is objective truth which we as humans reliably have records of and ideally should learn from.However, now I'm just thinking of the time I was chided for using the word "gibbled" as a teen because I thought it was a funny word. The woman who chided me about it was a burn victim and I never associated anyone insulting her because I just didn't associate that word with people who'd really been hurt. I still think the word sounds funny but I didn't mean offense. It is difficult because not a lot of people almost die in a fire and while there are historical tragedies of burning people alive, gibbled isn't used as a common slur, nor was it used to dehumanize. I think intentions matter but so does awareness. It's difficult because a word that was an insult could become a way to demonstrate a closeness or else a less than formal relationship. Either way, I think that I would like bitch to go back to meaning a female dog and I like dogs. It's offensive to dogs to compare them to badly behaving people and it's offensive to women to accuse them of animals for standing up for themselves. I prefer "maskhole" as an insult lately because it really captures the whole range of human creation, fear and annoyingness that exists. Masks are more than just cloth used for medical reasons and truthfully so many people are super performative with their morality lately they could just as easily be considered to be hiding things behind a mask of social concern. There are way too many women who call themselves bitches when they are simply just standing up for themselves at work spaces.
(DIR) Post #AMMZciZncR3jTr4Bxw by GalacticTurtle@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T01:20:27.106497Z
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@angryandignored True. I know someone shouting "terf" at me on the street these days would automatically get my heart pumping. The other words? Not so much. I did watch a thing about this old British band a few weeks back where I guess they decided to say "fuck" on national TV which had never been done before. Apparently all these dudes were literally out to murder them. I think one band member got stabbed at one point. It was hard for me to reframe my mind to a time where such a visceral reaction would come from that. Like yes they were being extremely rude/impolite but... murder? Really?
(DIR) Post #AMMZhY6PzJoORbcxou by angryandignored@spinster.xyz
2022-08-08T01:54:18.833070Z
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@GalacticTurtle Right?I mean I was talking to some women and one raised the first time "queer" was recorded being used as an insult and it was because a father was angry at the boyfriend of his son and kicking him out of the house.Then I think it was used a lot while homophobes were committing violence which I believe solidified it as a slur. I always thought of Alice in Wonderland at first when I heard the word in my teens "queer" until it the meaning moved to mean someone who's on the outside or homosexual. Now while I understand most people use it to relate to their own queer subculture, but it puts a knot in my gut because of my own personal experiences in seeing a self described "queer" woman who helped facilitate a lot of the psychological destruction I experienced in the women's only space where that man had his penis flayed.I seriously think she was mostly just a lesbian who was so guilt ridden and stuck in a cult mindset that she couldn't admit that maybe housing someone who's been castrated around a bunch of rape victims and AGP males isn't the best idea? Except she probably didn't even have the word AGP in her own mind. Then there's the fact that I have met others who I can tell aren't as guilt ridden who're people who've learned of "queer" from a friend group, social media or else just aren't eager to prove themselves as a savior. I more or less feel like there's a giant communication gap between me and them. I think that people can sometimes take back meanings but there has to be a recognition of the institutional power and the weird thing is right now with so much public communication so many words are literally filtered through corporate interests who can in turn see when cultural concepts are gaining power before others. Then they can highjack the momentum and use it to impose will which generally undoes the underdog aspect of the reclamation. There's also the weird fact that people who may be looking to reclaim a word are now combined with people who may enjoy "victim" slumming it as an entertainment. It feels sort of exhausting.Still the words people attach to acts of violence (real physical acts) definitely play a part in the development of the meaning of words. I mean 911 didn't exist as anything but an emergency number and then that clearly changed over night. That's not exactly a slur but still how meaning is attached to words is interesting to observe.
(DIR) Post #AMN13t31Ua3IXPuohU by Blackgendermoderate@spinster.xyz
2022-08-10T01:59:15.248600Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @Fandar "Should saying the word 'bitch' be considered just as bad as saying the N word?"No, and white radfem women should stop forced teaming us and trying to parasitically use our struggles. As opposed to trying to double down when Black women repeatedly tell them NO. Or saying we don't have a "rational" explanation. What we don't have is a system where every Black woman studies social theory at a college level in order to explain things to white women who act like smug wokebros who've "gotcha" when they ask wh6 men can't hit women if we're truly equal.What we also don't have is a way to explain things to people in positions of privilege who neither the full ability nor the inclination to understand. So I'll again say no. Since Black women are not a hive mind we will never agree on things unanimously. But I will still say the overwhelming majority Black women have repeatedly told you NO. We have also told you that drag is not the same as Blackface. Many times.What white feminists choose to do with this is up to them, whether that is us we are "irrational," or repeatedly telling us how we don't understand, or just quietly ignoring what we say and repeating it over and over. But we have told you. Many, many, many, many times. So I'm going to leave my comment here as a way to expose the forced teaming and the exploitation. It destroys the illusion of agreement and benevolence of this forced teaming the same way that a woman standing beside Lia Thomas destroys the illusion that he is himself a woman. This is not meant as a direct response or attack the poster of the poll. It's meant for the mindset of what I've seen that this repeated "question" comes from. Naturally we are all curious and will disagree regardless of race. We will not always understand each other. And I do question myself on this and whether my position is truly fair.But I'm somewhat pissed. I'm saying NO to the question and I believe I represent most Black women. We're saying no and we're saying fuck off with that shit. We're saying fuck off with your demands for a "rational" "explanation" (i.e. a JUSTIFICATION) that makes sense to YOU. I would hope people who regularly have to fend of men demanding access or claiming they understand and represent us to "get it" but people are not that bright regardless of sex.
(DIR) Post #AMN9nUAV7n5WKWfQn2 by Cousin_Isobel@spinster.xyz
2022-08-10T02:15:31.545323Z
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@Fandar So, a few things – and these are just observations. I don’t really want to get into a big thing about this. A bitch is a female dog, which sounds like something silly to point out, but it does mean that the word “bitch” has a legitimate use. I personally think that black people and white people are more alike than are men and women. Therefore, I am more open to sex-specific words than I am to race-specific words. The idea that women can be mean in our own special way, that is unique to us, is more plausible to me than the idea that people of a specific race can be bad in some unique way. (Certainly, we all agree that men can be mean in their own unique way; maybe we have traits of our own, as well.) The above things being said, I still don’t like hearing the word “bitch.” While, apparently, some people within the black community have embraced the “N word,” I have not embraced “bitch” and do not plan to do so. That is my feeling about the word; I don’t feel any warmth or kinship from it, even from another woman.So, two points (in my brief list) for the “N word” being worse and one for “bitch” being worse.
(DIR) Post #AMNBeiRWslY5u7ZuAS by FemaleIsNotAFeeling@spinster.xyz
2022-08-10T02:28:23.740558Z
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@Fandar I'd just like to add that I just realized that I mistakenly voted yes...so one of those yes votes really belongs in the "no" category at the close of the poll.
(DIR) Post #AMNggnScINEQckYiNk by feerique@spinster.xyz
2022-08-10T09:45:41.653397Z
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@Fandar I've been called a bitch. I've been called the n-word. I can assure why I didn't bat an eyelid at the first but the second most certainly ruined my week. The mere fact we don't type out the second says it all. Like another Spinster said, non black radfems need to stop this line of ridiculous equivalencies.
(DIR) Post #AMNhIgKhFDdBWPv3ey by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2022-08-10T09:52:32.757671Z
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@Fandar No, a bitch is a female dog, we should bring back “cur” for feral males. However you could argue that there is a good argument for “cunt” being the equivalent to “nigger” for both describe unchangeable characteristics for which people has been oppressed .(Before someone says “in my area we say ‘cunt’ all the time… errr in some areas people say ‘nigger’ all the time too!)
(DIR) Post #AMOc6IWlcZ5rbSnhfE by lucypeony@spinster.xyz
2022-08-10T10:05:59.438081Z
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@Fandar In order to reclaim the word "bitch", we need to punish men who use it as insults. Only women can be entitled to say it. Men must not say it. In this way, "bitch" can be truely empowering to women.