Post AMHScOTkfcRLgCKvtg by lxo@gnusocial.net
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(DIR) Post #AMFlXd7cJIVeSWVORE by CPlusPatch@social.linux.pizza
2022-08-06T13:01:10Z
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Yeah it's proprietary but that doesn't mean it can't be good, y'all need to chill the fuck out people are entitled to make their fucking code private if they damn well want to.Open source is generally "better" but proprietary ≠ automatically bad
(DIR) Post #AMFlXdZcdAuXrNbl5c by redstarfish@social.linux.pizza
2022-08-06T14:02:21Z
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@CPlusPatchPpl are not entitled to make their code proprietary, they have no right mistreat the users of their software.And yes non free software is automatically bad. The more popular it is, the worse.
(DIR) Post #AMFvN8FhE9XDMduvxY by jason@cb.janusworx.com
2022-08-06T14:19:14.671540Z
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@redstarfish, as gently as I can put this, it does not work like that.also on a more personal note, partisanship like this is not good in the long run.You need to do the work required, to hold an opinion. You need to be able to hold conflicting / disparate ideas in your head with a certain degree of comfort.https://fs.blog/the-work-required-to-have-an-opinion/
(DIR) Post #AMFvN8j7Sl4QptgQoy by redstarfish@social.linux.pizza
2022-08-06T15:52:29Z
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@jason Person/organisation A mistreats person B with the help of instrument X. I see this as wrong and demand that A should stop. There's no argument good enough to justify this behaviour of A.
(DIR) Post #AMGY0jJPAbe5r4xcxM by CPlusPatch@social.linux.pizza
2022-08-06T23:05:27Z
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@redstarfish @jason just don't use their product if you don't like it? It's their code, it belongs to them they can do whatever they want with it
(DIR) Post #AMHSbNIvYHLdkNmtmK by lxo@gnusocial.net
2022-08-07T08:58:39Z
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please don't conflate private with nonfree. most private code is actually free software, since all the users have full control over the computing done with it. that's a bit of a corner case, because "all the users" turns out to be the developer aloneI totally agree that a developer is entitled to keep their code from being used by others; make it available for others to use is a freedom, not an obligationwhat is unethical is to make it available to others in ways that do not respect their freedoms; that enables the developer to subjugate the users. even if the developer never abuses that power, the fact that it's there is harmful and unethical enough for us to reject and recommend against such behavior
(DIR) Post #AMHScO2oHmtCKdjPu4 by CPlusPatch@social.linux.pizza
2022-08-07T09:15:28Z
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@lxo I entirely agree with you, it's just that people here tend to bash on absolutely all proprietary software for absolutely no reason at all sometimes.Like who the fuck cares if the Linux driver for your 10 year old Linux adapter is closed source, that doesn't mean it's fucking sending all your wireless traffic to the CIA.People who demand that all software is fully FOSS are absolutely insane in my view, it's never going to happen focus on making it respectful of users instead
(DIR) Post #AMHScOTkfcRLgCKvtg by lxo@gnusocial.net
2022-08-07T09:37:34Z
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the fact that it's proprietary, i.e., user-subjugating software is reason enough to bash and reject it. why should such injustice be tolerated? where's the sanity in allowing and quietly accepting others to control any part of your digital life? where in such acceptance does a plan to make things better even fits?
(DIR) Post #AMHScPTQyHmQlVCC2a by CPlusPatch@social.linux.pizza
2022-08-07T09:15:46Z
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@lxo or maybe I'm a stupid dumbass and don't understand shit
(DIR) Post #AMHUfvPuraZac2M1BY by iska@mk.starnix.network
2022-08-07T10:02:48.933Z
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@CPlusPatch@social.linux.pizza @lxo@gnusocial.net one nonfree program may not be harming you nyow, but it might later. It's better not to risk it.I've had nonfree programs suddenly stop working. SvZ, monopoly and "smart" TV to nyame a few.
(DIR) Post #AMIRKqvKGkJdtIGYMa by wrongthink@cdrom.tokyo
2022-08-07T21:00:04.646774Z
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@CPlusPatch @lxo I just demand that all software I use be liberated. Others are very welcome to enslave themselves if they wish.
(DIR) Post #AMISBXuvfIC0I8Crom by ryo@social.076.ne.jp
2022-08-07T21:09:35.653842Z
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@CPlusPatch @lxo The point of FOSS is that it's auditable, so we can see whether there are some shenanigans going on or not.Though wireless is always less secure than wired, and will forever be that way, with or without free drivers.And as @wrongthink already pointed out, feel free to use proprietary soyware if you want to, there should be a FOSS option available because I want to run all liberated software (even though I know this is all a pipe dream), and while I'm encouraging others into doing so too, I'm in no way forcing anyone into doing so, which is often the case with proprietary soyware supporters.
(DIR) Post #AMIwcbjEbF0CYWYYz2 by andreasio@mastodon.social
2022-08-07T17:04:36Z
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@lxo @CPlusPatch i make a thing. If you want to use it, cool. But use it on my terms or use something else. Both are fine.
(DIR) Post #AMIwccCepqXQ1mK3qS by lxo@gnusocial.net
2022-08-07T17:57:27Z
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sure, you're entitled to set your terms, just as the other party is entitled to tell you to get lost.if you offered juice you made yourself, you could also require people to sign a contract in which they promise not to drink more than a certain amount per day, not to add sugar, not to cool it or heat it, not to dilute it, and not to share it with others; even to demand a certain amount of free labor in return for the privilege of drinking the juice you made, or to take it away if you feel like it, and most people would rightfully see you for a jerk and turn you down. someone dying of thirst might grudgingly accept it. when it comes to software, there's hardly ever such a thing as dying of thirst, but still, jerks seem to have succeeded in giving people the idea that obnoxious terms are to be accepted, and that feeding the monsters and making them stronger is inescapable. our job is to remind software users that it's not so, that they can and should rather tell jerks to get lost
(DIR) Post #AMJUFg9bNSRU3t7zoO by andreasio@mastodon.social
2022-08-07T21:52:37Z
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@lxo so... Google and Facebook makes lots of stuff open source. Are those library's and projects better than a solodev charging 5 box for a closed source paint program?
(DIR) Post #AMJUFgatjyHDQXtnMG by lxo@gnusocial.net
2022-08-08T00:33:46Z
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there's nothing wrong with charging for free software, but making it user-subjugating makes it unethical and socially harmful. as for goo* and f*k, most of what they release as free software is only relevant for surveillance capitalists at their scale, so useless for most of us, and ultimately actively harmful when used against us. being free software doesn't necessarily make it good, but being nonfree is reason enough to label it unjust and undesirable
(DIR) Post #AMK47yFXoIWmDaX0E4 by andreasio@mastodon.social
2022-08-08T05:43:32Z
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@lxo ok. Thanks for responding. We both have the same strong preferences for open software. But we disagree on proprietary software bring inherently unethical. How ever, i do believe strongly in "right to repair", so there is also a long discussion on different open source licenses ,(gpl vs bsd etc). I hear you lean bsd. I lean gpl.
(DIR) Post #AMK47ycaQcxXN3JP8q by lxo@gnusocial.net
2022-08-08T12:12:43Z
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I don't even know what "open software" means, but I favor strong copyleft like gpl. if you agree that denying right to repair is unethical, do realize that software freedom amounts to right to repair applied to software (I've said so for over 16 years), and to goods with embedded software, so you seem to have some further thinking to do, and then addressing that cognitive dissonance
(DIR) Post #AMK47zLFkYgjbaD4lM by andreasio@mastodon.social
2022-08-08T12:51:33Z
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@lxo you misunderstand me. I prefer gpl software. I don't think non gpl is unethical. Right to repair is something i believe in. But it's not unethical to ask for money for something which you can't repair. In that case i just don't think you should tell people that they own that something. Nor should you be asked to provide guidance on how to repair. Or provide a scm repo with clonable code.
(DIR) Post #AMK47zieLZP4m99lEO by lxo@gnusocial.net
2022-08-08T15:48:17Z
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asking for money is not relevant to the issue; the same problem is there if the subjugation is offered free of charge.something that can't possibly be repaired isn't unethical, that's not the issue either. it's placing artificial roadblocks to make it difficult or impossible for others to do what they wish with stuff they got from you that makes you (not you specifically, mind you ;-) a jerk, and such behavior morally reproachable.of course a lot of people seem to be willing to tolerate user/consumer subjugation and servitude, perhaps some under the expectation that some day they will be the ones holding power over others. that's shortsighted and leads to an overall social loss. we've mostly overcome slavery, and we shall overcome other forms of servitude and subjugation. I dream some day consumer and software user subjugation will be perceived for what it is, and socially rejected as it ought to be. there aren't valid excuses for such abusive behaviors