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(DIR) Post #AMFquFJhTzPH3mlEK8 by chris@mastodon.chriswiegman.com
2022-08-06T14:40:37Z
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I still haven't moved off of GitHub. Setup a Codeberg account but then realized that most of my work is technically against their ToS as most of my repos are private. Not sure what route I'll take with this, if any. I'm getting too tired to deal with switching services every few months whenever something impure is found out about today's utopian service (and I've been around this stuff long enough to know that all of them are problematic at some level). Fuck it all.
(DIR) Post #AMFquFjDx5p6Kwhc6i by chris@mastodon.chriswiegman.com
2022-08-06T14:43:22Z
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Since 2017 I've:- Dumped all Apple and wound up totally in the Google Ecosystem- Went from Google to FOSS services that really pissed off my family- Went back to ALL Apple today- Moved code from GitHub to GitLab to BitBucket to self-hosted Gitea to GitHub... etc- The list goes on.Each time the move was, at least to some extent, in a search for less-toxic tech and each time that proved to be either a foolish goal or I had to lock away data I collaborate on from the people who needed it.
(DIR) Post #AMFquG5Yc3ghSD9Ruy by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T14:48:44Z
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@chris big corp is big for a reason
(DIR) Post #AMFquGVn2WfglZQOo4 by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T14:49:44Z
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@chris if you're not a geek, going for FOSS stuff instead of the convenience offered by big corps is idiocy. if you hate solving computer problems, why on earth would you pick the FOSS stuff?
(DIR) Post #AMFquGqhmlOxoRD6PI by chris@mastodon.chriswiegman.com
2022-08-06T14:51:13Z
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@thor Thanks……honestly, I like solving problems but that means things aren't as convenient for the other folks who rely on me for their data. They're not as patient when, for example, Nextcloud is down for a few minutes and their phone throws them a warning it can't be reached. Foss is fun, in isolation.
(DIR) Post #AMFquHACcGzumuKfnU by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T14:52:51Z
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@chris the "isolation" part is where you lose a lot of people, really.if you look at companies like Microsoft and Apple, they're offering shrink wrapped convenient solutions for things. meanwhile, the FOSS people are refusing to coordinate. that's just not good enough for the majority. the corporations pull off a lot more with the money.
(DIR) Post #AMFquHV7MVjBpm7NOi by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T14:53:44Z
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@chris i also have a bit of a pet peeve about developers who are totally supportive of FOSS, yet their paycheque doesn't depend on it. they're not putting their money where their mouth is. nonsense.
(DIR) Post #AMFquHq26kSSsdu4zw by chris@mastodon.chriswiegman.com
2022-08-06T14:55:04Z
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@thor Same... or the ones who go all in to unpaid FOSS because they're living off their parents or something like that and then critisize you for not having that
(DIR) Post #AMFquI7l2qdVlcCEcq by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T14:57:22Z
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@chris if you really wanted FOSS to get better, you'd be donating a significant portion of your paycheque to that.i don't think this is really possible.now, i come from Europe, where, if people don't voluntarily fund good things, the government will step in to tax it.somehow, i suspect that the European government funding thing might work better than "you can donate if you want to"
(DIR) Post #AMFquIWDZuCazTdlke by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T14:58:55Z
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@chris the only reason Silicon Valley existed in the first place is due to defence spending.it wasn't due to private enterprise. the US government needed to have some radar research done, so they injected funds into high-frequency electronics, and you can guess what this resulted in, if you look at where we are now.
(DIR) Post #AMFquKmx8emE1xUA76 by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T14:50:14Z
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@chris they have money behind them, and money talks, like it or not
(DIR) Post #AMFquMBnvkFYNK7WUK by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T14:50:52Z
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@chris even having an ideology about software is this very geeky and narrow thing that normal people don't even care about.
(DIR) Post #AMFqxEwPKtIClPIFqC by chris@mastodon.chriswiegman.com
2022-08-06T15:01:10Z
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@thor I would expand that from just because of defense spending to defense spending funneled to libertarian idealogues but, yeah, I get it. The US obsession with private property and the FOSS ethos don't mesh all that well.
(DIR) Post #AMFqxFIjzr9nsfk5eS by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T15:02:02Z
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@chris there's one part of me that questions FOSS because it might devalue the hard work of programmers.
(DIR) Post #AMFrtidf4wnrfIPU2K by iska@mk.starnix.network
2022-08-06T15:13:36.123Z
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@thor@berserker.town @chris@mastodon.chriswiegman.com the F in FOSS stands for freedom rather than price; it's sadder that people don't take the opportunity to put ads or pricetags on free software. Not like you can't sell things because you can't legally enforce the price.A lot of successful free software either sell sponsors (Linyux), themselves (Ardour) or services (Red Hat).Private software (like custom backends) counts as free software too.
(DIR) Post #AMFruWBMsPsdK1YasS by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T15:05:00Z
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@chris in the world of artist/designer freelance, one of the first things people working in the business will tell you is "never do work for free" and "know your value"this profoundly conflicts with how a FOSS developer thinks.and is why much FOSS software doesn't have nice UI. the designers look at FOSS and think "those suckers"
(DIR) Post #AMFruWWHcebuMtLITg by chris@mastodon.chriswiegman.com
2022-08-06T15:09:10Z
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@thor In art though there are situations where "free" is fine. My wife, for example, used to act in small community theatres where any ticket prices when solely to paying for the space, etc, not to the cast. I think there's some benefit to that in Foss too (hobby projects, fixes to "scratch an itch," etc) but basing all our infrastructure and more on it specifically to avoid those costs is not right
(DIR) Post #AMFruWsGIwBvT3cqjg by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T15:10:06Z
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@chris the reality is this:
(DIR) Post #AMFruXUtzH6FOthhxo by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T15:08:55Z
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@chris i personally think this way: you gotta pay the rent. if you're going to dedicate yourself to a thing, it has got to pay rent."yeah, sorry, i'm working hard on this. you're at least morally obliged to put out for it."
(DIR) Post #AMFruat7NhFjus3acq by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T15:10:49Z
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@chris a lot of companies aren't putting out. they try to avoid paying the people who made their entire business possible.
(DIR) Post #AMFtYWrXrnECy9vZbs by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T15:15:13Z
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@iska @chris FOSS itself can't sustain you. it's what you manage to sell alongside that does the business.but that's not so different from other types of business.
(DIR) Post #AMFtYXDAZOWe3E2qJc by iska@mk.starnix.network
2022-08-06T15:32:09.507Z
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@thor@berserker.town @chris@mastodon.chriswiegman.com You're nyarrowing freedom to a "bazaar" type of software development and releases.I don't think the coders behind youtube's algorithm were left unpaid.
(DIR) Post #AMFu4488EF7f7jivNw by thor@berserker.town
2022-08-06T15:34:49Z
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@iska @chris i don't get what you're trying to argue. i'm confused.
(DIR) Post #AMFu44WalIgkLbASVk by iska@mk.starnix.network
2022-08-06T15:37:51.856Z
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@thor@berserker.town @chris@mastodon.chriswiegman.com Private software is free software too as the user (Google) has freedom over it.It's more of a correction, you're mostly right on the FOSS we usually see.
(DIR) Post #AMGALUD07ZKqC7KVoO by charims@social.pcwideopen.com
2022-08-06T18:40:13.473404Z
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honestly @chris that's the choice you have to make. Either you have full control and host it yourself (given you have capability and means) or you give that responsibility to someone else and accept the costs. Whenever you give up responsibility, there will be some cost in one form or another.