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(DIR) Post #AME7fm52hDgTEefbZw by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T19:00:51.457878Z
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News have been doing their rounds on the western Internet which depicts ChristoFascists that would rather burn down a library than to have some LGBTQWERTY+ diversity... at least, that's what the writers and its main readerbase would want you to think.Upset over LGBTQ books, a Michigan town de-funds its library in tax vote - https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/upset-over-lgbtq-books-michigan-town-defunds-its-library-tax-voteBy using aggressive, poisoned words and withholding information they want to set up your perception in a way that is favourable to them, this is a standard fare, however that just makes it all that more important to be aware of this style of information delivery.A public library which depends on the good will of its community through the way of taxes and additional support shouldn't go directly against its wishes and interests. Those rights were forfeit as soon as they put themselves into this position.Over the course of this year the librarians have introduced pornographic books to the youth in the adult and young adult section (what does make for a young adult? noone can decide, but the age range can be from 12 to 30) and the residents of the Jamestown have retaliated by demanding that they pull it off the shelves or relocate them somewhere less accessible. When the librarians refused to comply the majority of residents (67% is quite a significant number in these kind of things) simply refused to continue to give them increased funding that was in place for ten years already through the millage. During the beginning of this entire endeavor they were depicted as a fringe minority that wants to cancel libraries, but that clearly wasn't the case.A common tactic utilized by people of this kind is to give you a righteous cause without explicitly defining what exactly you're fighting for. While mentioning those said books briefly, they didn't disclose its contents and their purpose while they were riling you up to treat their opposition as ignorant, bigoted book-burners.After looking into the books and the behaviour of the librarians I can say that the defunding process was strongly justified.
(DIR) Post #AMEB9lPG49YJhA7Kj2 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T19:39:58.147972Z
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@dieulast> During the beginning of this entire endeavor they were depicted as a fringe minority that wants to cancel libraries, but that clearly wasn't the case.That's literally what you're doing if you're deciding to cancel their budget rather than offer books that are distasteful to you. Libraries are not simply somewhere where you find books that you approve of - they are places where to find *all* books, including ones you don't.>, they didn't disclose its contents and their purposeTheir contents and their purpose? This battle has been going on for as long as libraries have been around. Sex in books is something that has existed, has always existed, and will always exist, and teenagers are going to find and read as long as teenagers bother to read at all.This is intentional ignorance and turning a blind eye to what is If you don't like a book *don't read it*if you don't think a book is appropriate for your children, don't let them read it. It's not the library's job to keep books from your children if they want to read them. It's the library's job to *give* your child a book that is appropriate for themAnd for gay-curious 15 year olds? That's going to involve some cringey gay young adult stuff.
(DIR) Post #AMEBG2CcWza3WcCEXA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T19:41:05.961548Z
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(DIR) Post #AMECBb4Ba2TG9yhOO8 by Vin03@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T19:50:30.705682Z
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@jeffcliff Just my two cents they asked them to make it less accessible or pull it they literally pay their salary Librarians haven't done it didn't want to therefore they pull the funding what does everyone say don't like it build your own private library. Although Books have included sex and included language considered not safe for kids for a really long time and has been a fight for the longest showing kids cartoons of characters discussing sticking fingers into each others orifices for taste is gross which might give the kids ideas who might I add are impressionable . Also showing kids cartoons of kids blowing one another is also very gross its very different than them reading Brave New World bc they sought it out dont know you really wanna fight this battle bro it seems cut and dry. Why are vapes being attacked bc the fruity flavors that seem marketed at kids even if they are meant for adults the same concept here You wanna have your wierd lgbtbbq + books maybe dont make them books that look like they are meant for 8-13 year olds showing depictions of sex acts
(DIR) Post #AMECC3MEOXXhu3MCP2 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T19:51:35.383455Z
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@dieulast > Earlier this year, a parent raised concerns about the graphic novel “Gender Queer: A Memoir,” located in the adult graphic novel sectionlet's highlight that again> Earlier this year, a parent raised concerns about the graphic novel “Gender Queer: A Memoir,” located in the ****ADULT**** graphic novel sectionthis is like saying that a library should be defunded for having deSade or Foucault
(DIR) Post #AMECIa4rejIL7TLY3s by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T19:52:46.376199Z
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@dieulast > Amanda Ensing, one of the organizers of the Jamestown Conservatives group, emerged from the library Tuesday wearing an “I voted” sticker. “They are trying to groom our children to believe that it’s OK to have these sinful desires,” Ensing said of library officials. “It’s not a political issue, it’s a Biblical issue.”That's what this is aboutit's about pushing the bible and making it so that people don't read things that aren't the fucking bible
(DIR) Post #AMECPHHdvh6OrHW760 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T19:53:58.914454Z
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@dieulast > The library has 67,000 books, videos and other items in its collection, of which about 90 have an LGBTQ theme, library officials said.This story is so fucking ridiculous
(DIR) Post #AMECpTzPJP3tnITzmK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T19:58:43.061503Z
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@Vin03 "they literally pay their salary" what the fuck are you even sayingyou're saying "the library better do what they are told by the bible thumpers OR ELSE"that's what you're saying> Librarians haven't done it didn't want to therefore they pull the funding what does everyone say don't like it build your own private library. you COMPLETELY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE PUROPSE OF A PUBLIC LIBRARY> and has been a fight for the longest showing kids cartoons of characters discussing sticking fingers into each others orifices for taste is gross That it's gross is irrelevant. The example that they freaked out about was ADULT literature. Adults should have the right to access this material.> dont know you really wanna fight this battle bro it seems cut and dry. You're right it is cut and dry. Ignorant bible thumpers are on a warpath against libraries for having the audacity of having LGBT material in stock, and nazis are burning books. >Why are vapes being attacked bc the fruity flavors that seem marketed at kidsvapes have a physical impact on children. books are words, and maybe in the case of graphic novels...picturesthey are *not* the samewords cannot hurt you> here You wanna have your wierd lgbtbbq + books maybe dont make them books that look like they are meant for 8-13 year olds"meant for" is a charged statement hereThe example given even in your graphic was 15 year olds, who are probably already mostly experimenting with their sexuality.
(DIR) Post #AMED1eA7JddsorIC9Y by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T19:57:11.522018Z
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@jeffcliff >Libraries are not simply somewhere where you find books that you approve of - they are places where to find *all* books, including ones you don't.That's an opinion that I agree with, a controversial book can become a platform to launch a discussion, however, that hinges on the fact that discussion should be done in good faith.I believe that every parent should let their kid read as much as possible, but that said selection should be somewhat limited during a period when they don't even know what a sexuality is. There's this push to force kids to mature into sexual adults early while depriving them of their childhood by pushing onto them topics which are actively damaging for them.>It's not the library's job to keep books from your children if they want to read them. It's the library's job to *give* your child a book that is appropriate for themAnd that was exactly the problem here, since librarians took upon themselves to decide what is and what is not appropriate without consulting the people involved with the development of their children, and once they decided to go against it (which is inappropriate) they received retaliation in the form of withdrawing funds.> Earlier this year, a parent raised concerns about the graphic novel “Gender Queer: A Memoir,” located in the ****ADULT**** graphic novel sectionSections aren't a rule, they're a suggestion and a librarian can and will recommend you books from that part if they decide that you're mature enough for its topics.
(DIR) Post #AMEDILZPh3r8525VmC by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T19:59:36.859433Z
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@jeffcliff If I have over 67,000 posts on twitter, yet out of them the most recent ones are 90 posts which are strongly anti-semitic, pro-hatred, etc. it would be a perfectly valid action of theirs to kick me off their platform.
(DIR) Post #AMEDThQYll4v3RMNiS by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:05:59.054930Z
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@Eris @dieulast you also do not understand the value of public libraries
(DIR) Post #AMEDjh5xlw22epLwKu by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:08:52.642209Z
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@Eris @dieulast people probably requested them. multiple times
(DIR) Post #AMEE400VASjt6TTr7I by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:12:32.564805Z
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@dieulast > There's this push to force kids to mature into sexual adults early while depriving them of their childhood by pushing onto them topics which are actively damaging for them.Sure. Which this is not. This is a library stocking material that christian bible thumpers do not approve of. In an adult section.> And that was exactly the problem here, since librarians took upon themselves to decide what is and what is not appropriate without consulting the people involved with the development of their childrenThat is their jobIf you don't like it, don't let your child read the books you don't want them to read. But note; when they get to be about teenagers, they will read them anyway.> Sections aren't a rule,Nor should they be> they're a suggestion and a librarian can and will recommend you books from that part if they decide that you're mature enough for its topics.exactly. And the librarians did their due diligence, here, keeping adult materials in a section for adults.
(DIR) Post #AMEE7xChX34XZG4Ye8 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:13:13.386669Z
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@dieulast No it would not be perfectly valid. That would be censorship and people should be following you extra closely if that's why you are removed from the platform.
(DIR) Post #AMEE9K8jk3PGzZs5lg by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:13:30.387206Z
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@dieulast But even soTwitter is not a library. Libraries are *more important* than twitter.
(DIR) Post #AMEETUrHbHle1iKJkG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:17:09.303786Z
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@Eris @Vin03 > No Jeff, you are completely missing the purpose of a public library.No I'm not. You are missing the purpose of the public library.https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/3079250164 > Good, those books should be burnedNo they shouldn't. And every time you call for that book to be burned, I'm going to bump up book on my to read list and suggest others do the same.> That is not normal and does not happen naturally without some external stimuli to lead them down the path of deviant behavior.15 year olds fooling around with eachother is normal and does happen natural without external stimuli.
(DIR) Post #AMEEWkc1U5aNksjz0K by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:17:44.626538Z
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@Eris @dieulast It's not a libtard moralist notion
(DIR) Post #AMEEgdZ2XmQwn93kxc by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:19:31.805188Z
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@Eris @dieulast If I find out what books you're throwing in the river I'll read them, too
(DIR) Post #AMEEnsfcmHULfaar3o by Vin03@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T20:11:51.447880Z
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@jeffcliff Alright when I say they pay their salary I'm talking about the taxes collected from the community which is used to fund the very same public library of their own community thats what the fuck im saying i will concede that they did comply with what was asked of them which was to place it away behind the counter so i cant say much that im glad you did say it was gross but if you think that font/ art style is for adults id have to disagree with you there Vapes do have an impact as well as books books open doors to different words and exposes us to new ideas which some people take as gospel and go on a warpath about which is funny considering the very same conservative religious folk attacking this very same library over the situation are doing so bc a book told them that it was fucking disgusting I find this particular topic difficult just bc i think no book should be banned but i do think there's a time and place for exposure to things and if you seek it out then that's fine but the way its phrased/ presented to me it seems as though the librarians started hand picking these books and entering it into the system which to me tells me to some extent they are pushing it you cant act as tho the exposure to things doesn't affect the way one would think considering propaganda is a very real thing in the world
(DIR) Post #AMEFMQh6mfPl2TlHl2 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:27:04.881184Z
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@Eris @dieulast > It's not their job. Their job is tending to the books the community asks them to tend to.You're thinking of a private library>>If you don't like it, don't let your child read the books you don't want them to read. > This isn't how living in a society works.Yes it is.Parents should actually pay attention to their kids and what they are doing/reading and shouldn't complain if they don't.>Adult material does not belong in a library.Libraries were originally *only* adult material. Children's material came later.
(DIR) Post #AMEFOG1vP8CyXlN0OO by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:27:24.820803Z
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@Eris @dieulast That is not what libraries are. Eris you have no idea what you are talking about here
(DIR) Post #AMEFmX7zUEIyWOmbIG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:31:48.049469Z
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@Vin03 > Alright when I say they pay their salary I'm talking about the taxes collected from the community which is used to fund the very same public library of their own community thats what the fuck im saying And I'm saying: if you use those dollars as a bludgeon against the library you will break its fundamental nature and make yourself and your community institutionally dumber as a result> I find this particular topic difficult just bc i think no book should be banned but i do think there's a time and place for exposure to things and if you seek it out then that's fine but the way its phrased/ presented to me it seems as though the librarians started hand picking these books and entering it into the system which to me tells me to some extent they are pushing it 90 LGBT books total in a collection is not 'pushing it'> you cant act as tho the exposure to things doesn't affect the way one would think considering propaganda is a very real thing in the worldSure books can affect you. But only if you're willing to read them - it is a choice that is up to the reader what to read and how to be affected by it *not* the library and *certainly* not the bible thumpers who want to control what other people read
(DIR) Post #AMEFnw1cP9ty1pTEwK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:32:03.016948Z
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@Eris @dieulast Go read the book I linked above. It's not.
(DIR) Post #AMEG8czWMpYn4rMBIO by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:35:47.655558Z
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@Eris @dieulast Because I will oppose the destruction of books by hamfisted censors until my dying breath
(DIR) Post #AMEGJlgcNa1HEKpLGa by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T20:22:18.421801Z
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@jeffcliff Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you're absolved from all consequences of that said speech. The person who suffers from the consequences is an unwanted guest that uses and abuses a platform in a way its makers and owners didn't want to.In the same matter user profiles are a platform on their own, your own freedoms would've been infringed upon if someone was to use your fedi profile to enforce a views which you don't approve of.
(DIR) Post #AMEGRHlLWEgsjwchKi by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T20:24:52.286109Z
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@jeffcliff That's correct, however what they have both in common is that they're both a platform which are designed to share information.Public library is a platform which serves its community first and foremost. Its librarians are its custodians whose duty it is to take care of it and maintain it. Librarians are not its owners, they're its janitors.
(DIR) Post #AMEGUfz5v4SyjOfduy by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:39:46.704008Z
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@dieulast The right to read is not the same thing as the freedom of speechIf your community makes the library an unwanted guest that is a deep condemnation of your community - that is the sort of thing barbarians and savages do, not civilized peopleLibraries are not some mere platformand they are *certainly* not some private individual's social media presence on a single webpage
(DIR) Post #AMEGdyfXosfhHqxg3M by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:41:27.386074Z
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@dieulast No they aren't. That's not the primary reason why libraries are designed> Public library is a platform which serves its community first and foremost. No it's not.> Librarians are not its owners, they're its janitors.That much is true. And in this case it means standing up to bible thumpers who take issue with a couple of books out of a large collection.
(DIR) Post #AMEGmRb69I3pK5v2Vk by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T20:30:08.758245Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris I dislike this reductionist statement that in the context of this conversation equates restricting access to information to downright destroying it.The books are still out there and are easily accessible outside of that said library, the community just didn't want those said books in a repository of knowledge whose one of primary purposes is culture development and assimilation.
(DIR) Post #AMEGwsuzQRPMx9CYqG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:44:47.433534Z
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@Eris @dieulast Is a church some mere building owned by some people in a community?> Yes, exactly, parents should pay attention to and control what their kids are reading.I'm glad we agree
(DIR) Post #AMEH03SmfwtsWiWJjE by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:45:19.868400Z
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@Eris @dieulast >>Libraries were originally *only* adult material. Children's material came later.> lmao whathttps://www.goodreads.com/review/show/3079250164
(DIR) Post #AMEH6g9Vk8h0FxfEFU by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:46:37.683615Z
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@dieulast @Eris You're correct on that pointthere is a difference between a library being defunded / shutting down and someone like eris physically destroying booksand the moral implications of both are different> The books are still out there and are easily accessible outside of that said libraryThat's a weak excuse though - the access to books gets thin *very quickly* when a society turns their back on books, and embraces illiteracy as the US is doing right now
(DIR) Post #AMEH8Bi7tadmQFZgcC by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:46:55.121375Z
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@Eris @dieulast No. That's what inter-library loans are for.
(DIR) Post #AMEH92arHLJoR3a892 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:47:04.373358Z
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@Eris @dieulast Because you are wrong and it explains why you are wrong.
(DIR) Post #AMEHAkNjxZoCX4G9Pk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:47:22.817195Z
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@Eris @dieulast and that particular book is too spicy to publicly explain the contents of
(DIR) Post #AMEHfUSFE9vK6z1f3Q by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T20:52:56.235293Z
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@Eris @Vin03 > Its fundamental nature is to serve the specific interest that the people paying for it wanted when they decided to vote to pay for it.And their "deciding not to" fund the library, like "deciding not to" read at all, is to be condemned
(DIR) Post #AMEIbEPX2GvX9HI2r2 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T21:03:22.101667Z
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@Eris @dieulast yes especially ones people don't like because they disagree with their contents
(DIR) Post #AMEJ4aCh5a4P8VHUWW by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T21:01:02.185874Z
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@jeffcliff >The right to read is not the same thing as the freedom of speechWriting and speech are two different mediums with which its user decides to convey the same thing, their own thoughts, as brilliant or terrible they might be.With the rise of the internet the right to read is now orders of magnitude easier to enforce now that parents and libraries lost the power to control what people and children read. Reading material is still out there and they're going to naturally discover what is in interest of themselves, or their acquaintances and friends.In this case the librarians lost some of their privileges as they suffer repercussions in the form of decreased funding for their colonizing attempts as they appropriated the library for their own use.>Libraries are not some mere platformThey're a platform still. It's a base base upon which other parts of the community are being built upon. What why can't the community (its owner) enforce the right to excise what they think is a harmful, parasitic influence which relies on their further contribution and good will?>and they are *certainly* not some private individual's social media presence on a single webpageThey're not, however public libraries are still private. They're owned by the city, town, local authority, etc.
(DIR) Post #AMEJKEwdtfBJpuEsoS by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T21:03:14.592108Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris >Is a church some mere building owned by some people in a community?Church as an object? Yes. As an institution? No. But they still have to respect the inhabitants upon whose space they're infringing upon.
(DIR) Post #AMEJfTw9LsKGPl8aOG by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T21:15:20.756972Z
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@Eris @dieulast read the book ^^
(DIR) Post #AMEJoCVxUtpOzC2oAy by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T21:16:55.295949Z
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@Eris @dieulast well at least you're consistent on that point
(DIR) Post #AMEJxJudMSHMXKvzZw by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2022-08-05T21:18:33.104254Z
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@Eris @dieulast @jeffcliff Easy for you to say. You're not in the United States, so you won't get interviewed by the Secret Service. 🙄
(DIR) Post #AMEKAEP79W0TDXLd9k by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T21:20:54.186595Z
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@dieulast > With the rise of the internet the right to read is now orders of magnitude easier to enforce now that parents and libraries lost the power to control what people and children readthe problem is the internet is fracturing into a lot of little fiefdoms and is not anywhere near the freewheeling source of information it once was, and the right to read on the internet is generally threatened -- including by those bible thumpers who are pushing elsewhere to censor the material they don't like as well> Reading material is still out there and they're going to naturally discover what is in interest of themselves, or their acquaintances and friends.it is getting harder and harder to find, however as the US and north america generally finds itself more and more willing to embrace censorship, permission culture, book burning and illiteracy> their colonizing attempts as they appropriated the library for their own use.90 books, the main one which is in the adult section, for adult readers... is not a "colonizing attempt".> What why can't the community (its owner) enforce the right to excise what they think is a harmful, parasitic influence Because books are not harmful parasites - they are books. Two different classes of things. And to merely conflate the two is to promote their censorship >which relies on their further contribution and good will?It's on them to have a library. It's their responsibility as part of the civilized world.> They're not, however public libraries are still private. No they are not. That's a contradiction in terms, even - they are not private, they are public institutions, that are open to the public, serving the public. Not private at all
(DIR) Post #AMEKFduDlUwLl1TheS by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T21:21:52.904322Z
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@dieulast @Eris >As an institution? No.Library is an institution in the same way> But they still have to respect the inhabitants upon whose space they're infringing upon.Sure. Being respectful means doing things like...keeping adult material in an adult section, and being willing to discuss material in the library which is clearly what the librarians did. I see no examples of disrespectfulness on the part of the library above.
(DIR) Post #AMEKHSEI9FXk7hjJU8 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T21:22:12.242119Z
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@Eris @dieulast Again: i'm not going into the contents of that particular book publicly - you're going to have to actually read it
(DIR) Post #AMEKKHDHYxiYpFbThw by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T21:22:43.057446Z
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@Eris @dieulast Because censorship is damage to civilization and I route around it.
(DIR) Post #AMEKNtvg4eKJlo660O by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T21:23:21.474012Z
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@Eris @Vin03 Why is being an illiterate ignoramus a bad thing? omfg
(DIR) Post #AMEKkme1KCLbpxkWzQ by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T21:27:30.565604Z
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@Eris @dieulast > Nigga, this isn't twitter. You can type anything you want.Sure. But there's always the chance of people seeing what I say and not understanding the full context. I don't trust the people in my life who *are* here to understand the full scope of that book unless they read it.> I am going to... good luck with that
(DIR) Post #AMEMiO9vacPdE5exto by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T21:49:29.130615Z
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@Eris @dieulast alas there are some things you really do have to put in the work to understand and this is one of them
(DIR) Post #AMEN67QRSMfGHHhQMi by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T21:26:14.815758Z
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@jeffcliff You've stated that my point of view about libraries is wrong without elaborating on it. If the library doesn't serve its community, the people who use its facilities, then whom does it exactly serve?If possible can I get a run-down on your view on public libraries and their purpose in general? I don't wish for this discussion to continue on the wrong pre-perception if there is any. I have a feeling that you're talking about library (as an institution) and not "The public library" as an object which serves as a warehouse of information owned by the public which is maintained by its custodians.
(DIR) Post #AMEN8a6XncernsZC5o by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T21:54:13.167966Z
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@Eris @Vin03 more baffled than offended reallyWhen I worked as an instructor, I saw the reality of an illiterate culture firsthand. Children who grew to be adults who couldn't read and found themselves desperate and cut out of the fabric of human civilization as uselss mouths, generally but not just desperate and left behind individualsbut the whole of society crumbles (and is apt to be quickly conquered by outsiders) when it no longer cares to think complex thoughtsthis is not a sufficient defence of a literate society but just a taste
(DIR) Post #AMENh0AvNM9CVR1pC4 by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T21:32:23.789339Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris That's you engaging in self-censorship. If you're that afraid of being under scrutiny create a new account and express your honest views there so you can ensure that your views are to be fully relayed, understood and comprehended.In a way you're doing more harm to your ideas than if you were actively being censored by the outside sources since you are cutting out your own thoughts, a domain into which no puritanical bible thumper can breach into.Identity is meaningless. Write in such a way that your words can stand on your own as Anon Y. Moose.
(DIR) Post #AMEOCtcxFwGfSsLcrQ by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T22:06:12.315482Z
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@dieulast @Eris yes> you're that afraid of being under scrutiny create a new account and express your honest views there so you can ensure that your views are to be fully relayed, understood and comprehended.The problem is, I'm unique enough that if i do this people will immediately know it's me. I know this because this has happened at least once. You can probably figure out which account on the fedi is actually me already. Merely reading that book alone puts me in a group of approximately *10* people, and talking intelligently about it and its broader implications? It's basically me and the author on that one if the author is even still alive. There is no way to comment on it anonymously now that I've already been identified as the person who understands that book.> Identity is meaningless. Write in such a way that your words can stand on your own as Anon Y. Moose.Words have meanings, and if you don't understand the basis of what those words mean they are just meaningless marks on paper. At some level you have to develop to the point to be able to refer to ideas other people have had, that have been written down and stored in books that public libraries have access to. I stand on the shoulders of giants.
(DIR) Post #AMEOHNwkTJHeelkMJE by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T22:07:00.993168Z
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@Eris @Vin03 Libraries do not, generally*, publish books. They hold books in their collection. *Edmonton does, but it's kinda an exceptional case
(DIR) Post #AMEOSeOtdWXSsCHh5c by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T22:09:02.467093Z
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@Eris @Vin03 ...and not funding your local library *regardless of the cause* already is well on the path to a culture of illiteracy, yes
(DIR) Post #AMEOXmUYyq1PPrNi4W by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T22:09:58.621444Z
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@dieulast read the book linked to above ^
(DIR) Post #AMEP2wVlmIwnT4nxBI by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T22:15:36.654887Z
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@Eris @dieulast how many 10,000s of posts have i made to youthat's not laziness...it's selectively choosing to avoid a topic
(DIR) Post #AMERZ9AiRTlPuOROTo by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T22:43:49.531609Z
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@Eris @Vin03 > Entire illiterate societies have existed that survived for centuries.yeah, so have monkeys, and hyenas. Animals can survive in the wildbut to be a fully developed human being is to be literatewe don't have to develop, fully, but we can
(DIR) Post #AMESMv6V1M2QkyCbLs by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T22:25:05.215327Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris >I'm unique enough that if i do this people will immediately know it's me.You're talking with me, not on some public forum. I don't give a damn about your meatspace or online identity and I don't believe people will scour known networks for some fringe opinions on heavily de-federated instances.>Merely reading that book alone puts me in a group of approximately *10* peopleThen just don't use that book as a crutch to entirely replace your arguments? Don't be unwilling to rephrase your words, convey their meaning and your thoughts in a manner that is most efficient and receptive to your audience. It's sharpening your wit in the process as well.>Words have meanings, and if you don't understand the basis of what those words mean they are just meaningless marks on paperThen utilize those words to the fullest extent of their meaning. Don't just say "public library" then expect that your context will be understood. It needs to be built. Empower your concepts by making them worthy of being read multiple times.Don't demean the significance of a meaning of a word, every single one builds a common ground between us, a thought upon which all others rely upon. They can and should be questioned, though.>... have been written down and stored in books that public libraries have access toI won't negate that, however only because the custody of library is going to be removed it doesn't mean the contents of the library itself will be gone. They're going to be redistributed at the very worst. The valuable content that can be found within a library isn't gone and its target audience will reach those books in one way or another. If there is a will there's a way, and I believe that active readers are savvy enough to find it.>I stand on the shoulders of giants.As do I, mine are just built different.
(DIR) Post #AMETHrDe8XDfDMh9Zw by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T22:42:04.897382Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris From what I see, the core issue in that small town is that the public is now directly regulating the behavior of a public library which they own, by inconveniencing private individuals who have directly taken over it.This isn't censorship, this is the most basic form of expression of control which attempts to ensure that it operates properly within the guidelines and rules which the public has set for it. It's a sign of a healthy community that acts in its own interests.The line was not only crossed, but used as a skipping rope since what was happening was an absolute unwillingness to comply to those said rules, there are plenty of avenues to give people information and to expose them to new worldviews without using public facilities or acting as a member of authority within that said domain.There was nothing preventing librarians from recommending resources, giving them privately, or showing where to obtain those books. I think they shouldn't even be called that public librarians, they're private individuals as they strictly acted for their own interests, as benign or harmful they were.
(DIR) Post #AMETHsoCE83A90nrBg by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T22:50:54.063776Z
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@Eris @jeffcliff There are plenty of flaws though, since even if that content was removed, there is plenty of harmful, community accepted content such as fifty shades of grey and stuff, from what I see on its list of books. It's a process.Bible thumping is a disease that doesn't even lead to the core value it preaches, however I believe they're better off with it than without. A bit of spiritualism goes a long way for community positive behaviour, there's enough rampant sexuality in the world as it is. People who discover it very early are severely damaged by it as they confuse it for one of most important things in life instead of it just being a supplement.
(DIR) Post #AMEU9LWmBGpYYx9Flw by D00B@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T22:59:33.029135Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris @Vin03 If terrorizing you is necessary to get you to stop acting like a faggot, I will do it. I have no qualms. You like to escalate with your little "jokes" and passive aggressive quips. I am not passive aggressive. I am aggressive. I will literally kill you. Do you get it yet?
(DIR) Post #AMEUIJVb3aFiuIsA7s by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T23:14:24.115963Z
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@dieulast @Eris bud this is a public fediverse feed. The world (outside of the instances that block us) can see this, and there are people who know me irl who are here. You may be anonymous but I'm not. > people will scour known networks for some fringe opinions on heavily de-federated instances.Again: I was identified once before on an anonymous account, and I'm reasonably certain people already know what my other account here is (though nobody's publicly outed it yet)> It's sharpening your wit in the process as well.It would, I agree, but the problem with *that* particular book is that it's too sensitive, too spicy -- even rephrasing it I don't think I would get away with> They can and should be questioned, though.that far we agree> They're going to be redistributed at the very worst.They probably will, but the 'very worst' they will be trashed. The library in #tbay destroyed and trashed *many* books while I was there. I have witnessed the horror of century-old, one-of-a-kind books being needlessly, and permanently lost firsthand. Libraries can, unfortunately, be lost wholesale. If all I have to stop that from happening again in my lifetime, is my words, then so be it.> As do I, mine are just built different.Then I look forward to seeing to new heights standing on them, too, should it be required
(DIR) Post #AMEUNhSHS43acjtEKO by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T23:15:23.181215Z
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@Eris @dieulast I wouldn't have wanted it that way, honestly. I didn't even want to read that book tbh
(DIR) Post #AMEUNwHqJ9cWci7bdo by HOLOCAUST@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T23:03:25.745372Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris @dieulast The Soviet Union was high civilization and they had lots of censorship
(DIR) Post #AMEUpySDqKc1SCLR7A by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T23:20:29.784740Z
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@dieulast @Eris See, this is what I mean: you're already thinking of banning the next book from the libraryNeither book should be removed (however terrible they are).It's the process itself which is wrong, and should never be used.Protecting children from sexuality by banning books from an *adult section of a library* (which both Gender Queer: A Memoir and 50 Shades are in) is just plain ridiculous and not proportionate at all.
(DIR) Post #AMEVUWwH36QRzPjvzE by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T23:27:38.257987Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris Why not? Equality of some sorts has to be reached, it would be quite rude to exclude lgbtq+ pornography without removing het stuff that's of similarly low cultural value. Preserving can only work so long until you have full warehouses of the penny dreadfully and the lewd, dreadfully badly written fanfics printed out by a particularly enthused reader. That's what the institutions and archives are for, not local repositories. If the local library is to be treated like a temple that makes for more than what is a sum of its individual parts, then it should have the dignity and purity of purpose of one as well.
(DIR) Post #AMEVWZ2gCSPt5lhpSq by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T23:28:11.319078Z
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@HOLOCAUST @Eris @dieulast That is an interesting counter example but their censorship broke them internally - their best minds went to the gulags and they wound up being forced to believe complete nonsense
(DIR) Post #AMEVZod8hU0mJ3JHhQ by xue@bae.st
2022-08-05T23:28:47.027136Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris @Vin03 reading is uncomfortableuseless skill that wont bring anything good in your lifewriting on the other hand...
(DIR) Post #AMEVbwNmqeAAvf8t60 by HOLOCAUST@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T23:29:09.088845Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris @dieulast Complete nonsense^? Who cares? They could blast the US to hell with nukes.
(DIR) Post #AMEVh5AhbAEzdSTRUO by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T23:29:56.730560Z
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penny dreadfully => meant penny dreadfuls, dime novels, etc.
(DIR) Post #AMEVh5lDPPRpShYbOy by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T23:30:05.335371Z
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@HOLOCAUST @Eris @dieulast >UG HAS BIG ROCK> UG CAN BREAK UR HEAD WITH BIG ROCK- the peak of civilization according to @HOLOCAUST
(DIR) Post #AMEVoidnFdYk4eir0C by HOLOCAUST@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T23:31:28.236640Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris @dieulast that's not what I said. If they were believing in complete nonsense you should tell me in what technological field they were lagging in
(DIR) Post #AMEWTPsZuXVZl82mpM by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T23:38:49.809809Z
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@HOLOCAUST @Eris @dieulast Evolutionary Biology, for starters, but also computer / semiconductor manufacture - i've posted a good couple of wikileaks cables from the early 70's when the soviet union was at its peak...and it had to import tape drives and computer equipment from the states because their own manufacturing base couldn't keep up with the development of the capitalist world.
(DIR) Post #AMEWWEwB37Mwgy4dEW by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T23:39:19.280988Z
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@xue @Eris @Vin03 Reading is not a useless skill. It is vital to being able to think complex thoughts.
(DIR) Post #AMEWvUXWB48MJya3DE by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T23:43:51.299716Z
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@dieulast @Eris >If the local library is to be treated like a temple that makes for more than what is a sum of its individual parts, then it should have the dignity and purity of purpose of one as well.Which includes having books *you* find distasteful, and saving them from the pires of the bible thumpers> That's what the institutions and archives are for, not local repositories.Sure. Except that the archives are failing right now writ large in north america, but let's ignore that part. But it's up to *the library* to know what is and isn't in demand and needs to be local - the busy work of maintaining sensible caches is part of the work of a librarian , and the moment you intervene in this role for your own political reason is the moment that you cease to have a system that neutrality can assess the value of that material, as is actually requested by the patrons.If we start letting the bible thumpers determine what has "cultural value" and what doesn't, the stuff they deem as 'low' will certainly be lost.
(DIR) Post #AMEX0YfsEROIaou9pY by CumskinFoidPuncher69420@beefyboys.win
2022-08-05T23:39:39.371717Z
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So how many girlcocks were getting sucked and fucked in 80s soviet union
(DIR) Post #AMEX0Z5OhXo7ryqXc8 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T23:44:49.142643Z
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@CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @Eris @HOLOCAUST @dieulast what is your obsession with girlcocks have anything to do with what's being discussed here
(DIR) Post #AMEXMiSaWtAdJVFwsi by HOLOCAUST@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T23:48:49.022330Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris @dieulast That's fair enough. Those were the side effects of censorship and state directed research. However, regarding manufacturing, the capitalist liberal mindset is obsessed with "industrial output" and how much "material wealth" people have. In other parts of the world people see things more valuable than your material possessions.
(DIR) Post #AMEXacYlGQIH4Gm3BA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-05T23:51:20.158072Z
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@HOLOCAUST @Eris @dieulast And those other things than material possessions were often broken when people were sent to gulags, and censored, too, though they are harder to point to
(DIR) Post #AMEXwXe4DT22CGhycq by HOLOCAUST@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T23:55:17.750320Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris @dieulast The Soviet Union was an atheist state, however people were still Christian or Muslim. People in the Soviet Union had families, a community, and other social bonds. Life there was miserable, but there were still some real things people had. Although I think we would both agree that it would preferable if the state didn't step on everything you hold dear
(DIR) Post #AMEYLXhX94mtbsFdDs by dieulast@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-05T23:59:44.152978Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris >saving them from the pires I see no pyres here, just a willful exclusion of books that is a part of culture in which they don't want to participate in.>Except that the archives are failing right now writ large in north americaThen go the other way? Archiving in the form of owning physical copies, scanning books, saving and propagating books which are stored on a hard disk, there are myriad of effective ways to preserve knowledge.>intervene in this role for your own political reason is the moment that you cease to have a system that neutralityAnd the public library is inherently tied to the political reasons since its management and handling is exactly the matter of public affair. A local library owned by its residents shouldn't be neutral or biased against the interests of its residents. If neutrality is sought then they shouldn't make demands of the populace while actively going against their wishes. It's pure entitlement.>the stuff they deem as 'low' will certainly be lost.I am fairly sure a town that has less than ten thousand residents won't have that large of impact by refusing to support the increased spending that the library was used to after abusing its good will for a decade. If this was a decision to dismantle the biggest libraries on a government level I would stand behind you, but pruning done by smaller communities is incredibly important for information hygiene and culture preservation.
(DIR) Post #AMEYXbR55O4kfSJ3QW by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-06T00:01:59.346230Z
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@Eris @HOLOCAUST @dieulast the internet is one of the most important tools humanity has, right up there with fire and while, theoretically, it's possible to do the internet without semiconductors...neither of us is going to
(DIR) Post #AMEYXuKKqgy9G2IR3A by akorenchkin@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-06T00:02:03.063723Z
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@jeffcliff>If we start letting the bible thumpers determine what has "cultural value" and what doesn't, the stuff they deem as 'low' will certainly be lostThe bible thumpers got us this far. You're here because of them. You're able to be a cretin, or a greatful son from a family, because of them.@Eris @dieulast
(DIR) Post #AMEnRYkbeeRFun11Vo by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-06T02:48:58.538562Z
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@Eris @dieulast Its mere existence should reflect the value of the community which maintains itThe other questions have been answered above, except the thing about typosThose are mistakes. There's only so much jeff focus to go around I guess
(DIR) Post #AMEnkTBOa2FW9GYxyy by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-06T02:52:22.928204Z
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@dieulast @Eris > Then go the other way? Archiving in the form of owning physical copies, scanning books, saving and propagating books which are stored on a hard disk, there are myriad of effective ways to preserve knowledge.That's fine, as long as people can access it> It's pure entitlement.It's not. It is the function of the library.> abusing its good willThere is no abuse of the goodwill here. Having 90 books in circulation is not abuse of anything.Pruning down by smaller communities happens sometimes but that's not what this is. Information hygiene does not require the sacrifice of those 90 books, and if anything: the attempt at removing them will, because of the streisand effect, wind up in more copies of those books being requested, and read elsewhere. It is antihygenic, if anything.
(DIR) Post #AMEnlvqdUOiLLEYAl6 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-06T02:52:39.438750Z
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@Eris @dieulast answered above
(DIR) Post #AMEoiH4siQGdyq27d2 by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-06T03:03:04.223342Z
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@Eris @jeffcliff @HOLOCAUST @dieulast Seconded.
(DIR) Post #AMEonofbFQRXc2qmyu by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-06T03:04:12.226662Z
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@Eris @HOLOCAUST @dieulast > The internet is a petty luxury, and life was just as meaningful before it.While life may have been as meaningful, the internet is no mere petty luxury> Not a single aspect of a virtuous human life is contingent upon the existence of semiconductors.It does insofar as the existence of the internet is required to solve problems common to humanity
(DIR) Post #AMEoqA6uVHRggjk9BI by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-06T03:04:37.655208Z
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@Eris @dieulast > Putting fag smut in a public library once is an abuse,No it is not.
(DIR) Post #AMEouIECGTNv1T7a52 by HOLOCAUST@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-06T03:05:20.008382Z
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@jeffcliff @Eris @dieulast I'm going to have to agree with Jeff Cliff here
(DIR) Post #AMEp7XsfNaa3KjMzdw by D00B@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-06T03:07:46.063171Z
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@Eris @jeffcliff @dieulast eris I only took 1 book and put it in 10k schools.
(DIR) Post #AMEpGdtCPQ7qZhxNmC by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-06T03:09:24.780821Z
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@Eris @HOLOCAUST @dieulast > Humanity" isn't a real entity, it's an abstraction. It can't have problems. It only exists in your brain.This is where we disagree, then - once you begin to see humanity as an entity, it becomes increasingly clear that it *does* have problems and you can do something about those problems
(DIR) Post #AMEpODDdS890Au7pFA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-06T03:10:46.679137Z
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@Eris @HOLOCAUST @dieulast except this one is true
(DIR) Post #AMEpWE6O3MefELYYRk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-06T03:12:13.552840Z
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@Eris @HOLOCAUST @dieulast No, it signals the beginning of an argument on that premisebut alas, some of these are so...fundamental that it is not clear how to approach them
(DIR) Post #AMFIEpvBbIFrz1NS4W by Alex1488@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-06T08:34:02.295790Z
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@dieulast >defunding pozzed librariesBased.
(DIR) Post #AMFkTYJg8QnARVdfvs by a7@miss.mouse.services
2022-08-06T13:50:26.328Z
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@jeffcliff@shitposter.club @Eris@kiwifarms.cc @Vin03@kiwifarms.cc you know 75% of prison inmates are functionally illiterate in the US? You know if you live in a large city and interact with people from the ghetto you will run into illiterate americans constantly?
(DIR) Post #AMFpS8C4GybUuDDkG0 by Vin03@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-06T14:46:10.912518Z
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@jeffcliff we'll I will note this is a community library and if the community as a whole does not want that in their community they are in there right to have it removed or purchased on their own accord if they want to have access to it or if there children express wants or needs there is the internet where they can find all the smut they'd like The fundamental nature of a public library is to educate and bring wonder to the eyes of the reader removing a "graphic novel about some non binary coming to terms with there sexuality" will not break the fundamental nature removing 90 books from a collection as you have put it not being a big deal wont break it either. I find it valiant that they are willing to allow the budget to be slashed to such an extent over it I Value Free Speech I value freedom of expression myself So I can understand if this Larry Walton gentlemen is under this impression but odds are I bet its not so simple If i was able to see the board of the library Id be able to give a more succinct answer but I cant If he's defending his beliefs cool no problem you got to deal with the consequences as well as everyone else does And for that belief as you called it the community will be dumber overall but we both know that's not true the median income there is between 60-80k this community library is a place for them to have a space that they feel no longer serves them there children will be educated considering most people get everything they need online and considering they are most likely middle class they'll be fine In regards to your last point Kids are attracted to flashy colors, pastels, funny and quirky art styles exactly the way those books are rendered its enough to drag there attention If you look at the book in question that was problematic according to the bible thumpers which I uploaded a photo for it says 18 and up You show me another book that's 18 and up and has this cartoon crap on the front and then you open up this cartoon crap and what do you find depictions of oral sex, homosexual sex in that haha so quirky look at my cute comic book art style
(DIR) Post #AMFttuPjUwro5t75M0 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-06T15:36:02.547706Z
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@a7 @Eris @Vin03 i figured it would be >50% (since that's the genpop rate) but that's good to know that is one of the main things that makes a ghetto a bad place to be
(DIR) Post #AMFtw7SzwJsj9gh7xo by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-06T15:36:22.122852Z
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@bot @Eris @Vin03 they certainly have not developed themselves to what a human being can be if they are illiterate
(DIR) Post #AMFv1gkuGQEm0II4xM by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-06T15:48:39.304059Z
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@Vin03 The US has already installed some forms of internet censorship - and more are coming. While it's true that, so far, there are so far ways for people to get access to this book -- we live in a day and age when much of it is frustrated by censorship, both in the US and globally and every step towards censorship like this tightens the trap around usWhile your sense of what the public library is is closer than most people in this thread...you also do not fully understand why it exists. See above for the link to the book for what to read to rectify thisIf 1 or 90 books is "no big deal" then it's "no big deal" to keep it, either. It's easy to ignore 90 books, as an individual, within a library. There is a hidden premise - that because there are books in a library that *you* don't like that they shouldn't *be* in the library. That is the premise that you need to accept in order to remove them.While it's true, the quirky pastel art is an odd aesthetic for adults, it's not the only one of its kind that does this. But art style does not justify removing books from a library. Maybe you don't appreciate it - but many people, beyond people interested in this particular sexual story, do. Comic books / graphic novels have been a moral panic for a long time (true crime comic books are illegal in canada, for example and it's questionable whether even DC stuff like 'batman' is even legal here) but it's also one of the more fruitful, intellectually challenging mediums and there's been multiple generations of readers of them who have had rich lives no different in principle than the readers of the thickest victorian and edwardian era drivel. The aesthetics and format of a book, while there are some practical limitations and considerations for, do not and cannot justify its removal alone - the principle that you are removing books from a library you do not like, whether you or this community chooses to do so, still means going down a road of censorship.
(DIR) Post #AMFv5nhAP7lKgXVC1w by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-06T15:49:19.662882Z
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@Vin03 And, now, thanks to this thread, if this book is not in my local public library I'm going to request that they get it.
(DIR) Post #AMGSNOqUpViVJcrj0q by wowaname@anime.website
2022-08-06T22:02:19.110042Z
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@dieulast libraries have been fighting censorship forever and you suddenly think this is a problem. kill yourself
(DIR) Post #AMGXXK2i2e615O83Ky by TomAltihill@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-06T22:59:19.089518Z
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@Eris @jeffcliff @Vin03 @a7 wait is it possible to read while riding a bike?
(DIR) Post #AMGdZEKeqMn9gAoimW by a7@miss.mouse.services
2022-08-07T00:07:44.138Z
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@TomAltihill@kiwifarms.cc @Eris@kiwifarms.cc @jeffcliff@shitposter.club @Vin03@kiwifarms.cc lol eris still has me blocked, so I’ll reply to this post.Lack of ability to read shows a breakdown of the family structure, broken family’s create animals. Generally a family member teaches you to read not schools. A lot of those illiterate people get pushed through the school system never being able to do more than slowly sound out “the”
(DIR) Post #AMGgaAWQnKmi0xSmEC by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-07T00:41:31.385246Z
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@Eris @Vin03 @a7 they might be stealing your bike if they've got more going on in their head than DINDU NUFFIN
(DIR) Post #AMGgcEHdmT0cG9Wlwe by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-08-07T00:41:53.744682Z
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@TomAltihill @Eris @Vin03 @a7 yes but i wouldn't recommend it
(DIR) Post #AMI4r0AB9cXUrrZf3A by TomAltihill@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-07T04:14:35.119102Z
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@a7 @Eris @jeffcliff @Vin03 this is not a guide to read while biking. I am upset.
(DIR) Post #AMKPX8bEZ5aeavWBuq by Vin03@kiwifarms.cc
2022-08-08T19:49:12.332257Z
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@jeffcliff Do you really think that the US the place where everyone is claiming is run by the Globo-homo is gonna get that particular book banned I heavily doubt it even amongst the people.The "bible thumpers" are the minority just in their community they are the majority and even then if I remember correctly they are more attune to 60-70 percent of the people (assuming the vote is one to one ) they consider it smut the same way they don't want depictions of naked women/ men having sex in there libraries I'm sure they are treating this the same way the subject matter they deem is inappropriate for kids In regards to the book being there like i stated earlier they complied and put it up behind the counter which in my head makes sense i only brought that up considering you had said its not a big deal hence me saying if its such a non factor why are they willing to have the library shut down over it although I'm into fighting for what you believe in . I can see why they'd like to remove it also considering it being behind that counter you get that mystique/curiosity as to why its there which is natural in children. I will disagree with you when you say that comic books are one the more fruitful, intellectually challenging mediumsi can see how one would like a comic book i can also consider a comic book deep on some respect but calling it intellectually challenging is funny maybe I am not in that scene so I cant say much there Censorship in my eyes is wrong but i will note protecting kids is necessary in this day and age when you have all these avenues of attack be it in books, media, company virtue signaling, schools, and even advertisements. that book to their community in their eyes is an attempt at subterfuge and they feel they are handling that. From what it seems they are not okay with depictions of homosexual/ oral acts I'm sure they are other books that talk about it discuss it in great detail but that book looks like it was published bc someone somewhere gets a tax break and to get a person confused about their own life/sexuality .