Post AMBmtrnx64tpFKDX5E by wim_v12e@cybre.space
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(DIR) Post #ALLyK0WVm4d5D6mOZc by itzzenxx@plma.plus.st
2022-07-10T16:00:28.962479Z
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@maloki The pandemic is not that much of a problem anymore, as more and more people are getting Covid-19 vaccines and boosters. For those who haven't had a vaccine yes it can be problematic but for the ones who are fully vaccinated they don't need to worry much.
(DIR) Post #ALLydW1qrV46QPjzm4 by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2022-07-10T10:32:05Z
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@maloki this is more complicated than "pandemic is going on". People are going literally crazy in lock-down and without human contact. Vaccination and boosting rates are quite high in most places. ICU admissions are down even as cases are going up.Calling people "these people" just because their assessment of risks and benefits involved are different than yours is not helpful, sorry.
(DIR) Post #ALLynTCUEVBOY4ShVo by itzzenxx@plma.plus.st
2022-07-10T16:05:48.449015Z
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@maloki how am I wrong? Please tell me why I am.
(DIR) Post #ALMJUH3xEa4KRK9vIe by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-10T19:58:54.338960Z
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@k3vk4 @meganeko @wim_v12e @rysiek @maloki based
(DIR) Post #AMBZbL4MlhpF6RjInI by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2022-08-04T13:29:43Z
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@samuteki @rysiek @maloki Exactly! It's all about your own risk tolerance and personal health.Like if you're all vaxxed and boosted, or have natural immunity, or both, I completely understand not being worried about being in public crowds. I don't think it's fair to hate on people for making their own personal decision to start interacting with others in public, or to not go to public events.
(DIR) Post #AMBa2IjFZwPLf8i30q by wim_v12e@cybre.space
2022-07-10T11:23:49Z
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@rysiek If think what matters most is adequate masking.Not wearing a mask means putting other people at risk. If one thing has become clear in this pandemic, it is that (in the UK), 90% of people do not care enough about other people to wear a mask.Also, booster effectiveness wanes after 6 months and it doesn't look like most people will get another one any time soon. And the vaccine or booster does not prevent long covid, you have about 1 chance in 10 of getting it when you get covid.ICU admissions are not up a lot but in Scotland they are definitely up, and non-ICU hospitalisations are really high, it puts a high burden on the health service. @maloki
(DIR) Post #AMBa2NumIVbFkL8pAu by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2022-08-04T13:34:34Z
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@wim_v12e @rysiek @maloki Weren't masks the least effective #COVID19 prevention method? The only study I'd found that pointed to the effectiveness of masks said they were somewhere between 2% and 5% effective, and it's at the point now where (IIRC) fewer official sources now are recommending mask wearing. (This includes the standard cloth masks, not the #N95 masks which were proven to be highly effective from the beginning.)Vaccinations and natural immunity seem to be the most effective ways to get protected from #COVID19. Ignoring the health concerns of the vaccinations, from what I've heard they do substantially and conclusively decrease symptoms, if you still happen to catch the virus.
(DIR) Post #AMBcC9slWa8j1tzKXA by wim_v12e@cybre.space
2022-08-04T13:58:46Z
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@realcaseyrollins @rysiek @maloki Masks are very effective, especially FFP2/FFP3Here is a very recent study (July 31, 2022. Preprint)https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.28.22278153v1.article-infoFor the benefits of wearing FFP2/FFP3 (N95/N99), seehttps://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/10/commentary-what-can-masks-do-part-1-science-behind-covid-19-protection
(DIR) Post #AMBcY6GXeRFMBTZWPQ by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2022-08-04T14:02:45Z
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@wim_v12e @rysiek @maloki Does that first study refer to FFRs or all masks, including cloth masks? I'm more specifically positing that cloth masks were minimally effective, the science is pretty conclusive that #N95 and other such masks were effective in limiting the spread of #COVID19
(DIR) Post #AMBkuyeGwB50qy5iiG by wim_v12e@cybre.space
2022-08-04T15:36:31Z
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@realcaseyrollins @rysiek @maloki The paper says "We used this data to make an evidence-based correlation between wearing masks of any type and the incidence of COVID-19 disease or positive COVID-19 test."I would of course recommend that you wear at least FFP2. I wear only FFP3 now.
(DIR) Post #AMBlMs2r5B5MTttGZk by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2022-08-04T15:41:34Z
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@wim_v12e @rysiek @maloki Ah. So the effectiveness percentage is most likely an average of all types of masks? That's not helpful at all unfortunately, it doesn't really demonstrate that cloth masks are effective.I actually don't wear any masks rn, since I'm a healthy boi and already have natural immunity.
(DIR) Post #AMBlr2H1cLXctMtzHc by wim_v12e@cybre.space
2022-08-04T15:47:01Z
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@realcaseyrollins @rysiek @maloki The main purpose of wearing masks is to protect others, not yourself though. They are much more effective at stopping what goes out than what goes in. Your natural immunity may stop you from getting ill but it does not mean you can't be spreading the virus. If you are an asymptomatic spreader, you would not even know that you are transmitting the virus to others (unless you take daily PCR tests). So I would still recommend that you wear a mask, esp. in crowded enclosed spaces.
(DIR) Post #AMBlxuOtHuxGV7rHge by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2022-08-04T15:48:15Z
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@wim_v12e @rysiek @maloki I'm not particularly worried about spreading it since vaccine access is so widespread now; the vulnerable can get vaccinated if they are at risk
(DIR) Post #AMBmtrnx64tpFKDX5E by wim_v12e@cybre.space
2022-08-04T15:58:43Z
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@realcaseyrollins @rysiek @maloki I'm sorry but that is a bit of a misconception. The current vaccines protect only against severe illness and death, not against infection. For immunosuppressed people, being vaccinated does not guarantee that they will be fine. It only means that they *probably* won't die. And "vulnerable" or "immunosuppressed" is much more common than you think: anyone who uses e.g. medicines for asthma or rheumatoid arthritis is immunosuppressed. That is a very large group of people. We should do our best to protect them, and the best way to do that is wearing good masks.Also, when you get covid, you have a 10% chance of getting long covid, which is a terrible illness.
(DIR) Post #AMBnwiGf6yTiUUZDwu by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2022-08-04T16:10:27Z
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@wim_v12e @rysiek @maloki > I'm sorry but that is a bit of a misconception. The current vaccines protect only against severe illness and death, not against infection.> For immunosuppressed people, being vaccinated does not guarantee that they will be fine. It only means that they *probably* won't die. True. There are no guarantees that anyone will be fine, but there are things people can do to protect themselves. By getting vaccinated, you can increase your likelihood that you won't get seriously ill from #COVID19.It makes more sense to me to expect to catch #COVID19 and prepare yourself pre-emptively as necessary than to hope or expect that you can avoid catching it.
(DIR) Post #AMBqVwXKFhZqmwHvV2 by wim_v12e@cybre.space
2022-08-04T16:39:13Z
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@realcaseyrollins @rysiek @maloki I didn't say that people should not get vaccinated. Everyone should get vaccinated, that is obvious.But for vulnerable people that is simply not enough to protect them. That is why they are vulnerable.
(DIR) Post #AMBqowBllkHVDDGLRo by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2022-08-04T16:42:40Z
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@wim_v12e @rysiek @maloki ...wait so how effective are the vaccines then? I had assumed that they were effective enough to drastically improve the safety of the vulnerable.> Everyone should get vaccinatedI think we have different ethics here, my roommate last year felt that same way you do, it seems, which is that everyone has a duty to protect each other, while I believe that everyone has a duty to protect themselves, although if someone wants to take measures to protect other people on their own that should by no means be discouraged.
(DIR) Post #AMBsmnWvBvFXgcGPoW by wim_v12e@cybre.space
2022-08-04T17:04:40Z
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@realcaseyrollins @rysiek @maloki Over the whole population, vaccine+booster protects about 90% against severe illness. But of course the other 10% are precisely those that are vulnerable. After 4 months it drops to 80%. Protection against illness is a lot less good, drops to <30% after 4 months.