Post ALrEC3tbSZzrA2hU5A by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
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(DIR) Post #ALrAN6ybwjrq5J3XlY by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-07-25T17:12:48.273250Z
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are we doing the pleroma vs akkoma thing again :akko_eeew:
(DIR) Post #ALrASUedLALOy4HIzw by sfr@ralsei.moe
2022-07-25T17:13:02.142359Z
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@fristi i mean. _they_ are
(DIR) Post #ALrASV97VojMUcXeW8 by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-07-25T17:13:44.306235Z
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@sfr hegh :akko_eeew:
(DIR) Post #ALrAwegOcSsKl3U7Mm by FloatingGhost@ihatebeinga.live
2022-07-25T17:13:34.936783Z
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@fristi lanodan _really_ wanted to so it seems it
(DIR) Post #ALrAwfBakTpSJo51zU by dielan@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:19:14.175810Z
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@FloatingGhost thats gas lighting lol you posted a passive aggressive issue on their git and then made a post mocking the lack of replies you got on it, but its not you picking a fight here?Its ok to be mad about previous drama but at least have the decency to not misconstrue events that we all just saw. Thought you were better than that. @fristi
(DIR) Post #ALrB9RhCDThaFAxSD2 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T17:21:31.930855Z
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@dielan @fristi @FloatingGhost what is it this time around?
(DIR) Post #ALrBDdMyks19blUynI by dielan@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:22:18.474987Z
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@hj dont bother lol@fristi @FloatingGhost
(DIR) Post #ALrBH2Q84auUAdayUy by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T17:22:53.410114Z
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@dielan @fristi @FloatingGhost yeah i probably shouldn't trying to get floaty on board is a lost cause, at least for now.
(DIR) Post #ALrBQtKaioWesOhgC8 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T17:23:59.553592Z
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@FloatingGhost @fristi @dielan that gives me zero bits of information
(DIR) Post #ALrBT0gQMEpOG2vSue by pleb@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:24:29.128898Z
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@fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan stop stooping to the level of alex please
(DIR) Post #ALrBT1ACZWeBkOrFKK by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-07-25T17:25:04.118611Z
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@pleb @FloatingGhost @hj @dielan seconding this, can we stop pissing up each other's legs please
(DIR) Post #ALrBYDLKiSsUyAXgNk by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T17:25:59.479923Z
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@fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan @pleb look, all i want is people working together. I'm just saying that I failed in this endeavor in regards of floaty.
(DIR) Post #ALrBaJzYy0ImAaMe8W by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-25T17:24:11.096587Z
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@hj @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan This is now a spider thread.
(DIR) Post #ALrBz73yAo5LJLFMtU by FloatingGhost@ihatebeinga.live
2022-07-25T17:26:21.990502Z
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@hj @fristi @dielan that was intentionalessential flow of events were- private post about how the longest standing bug in pleroma has a fix and nothing has been done- lanodan saying "why is it passive-aggressive" (which admittedly it is a tad, but nothing extreme)- me responding with "why should i be 100% civil given hj, your ostentible maintainer's subposts calling me dumb and then trying to get me 'on board'"- landodan equating this to me "burning bridges" and such
(DIR) Post #ALrBz7RikV5GV0MKum by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T17:30:51.131850Z
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@FloatingGhost @fristi @dielan hey i only called you dumb because i think idea of hard fork for given purposes is dumb (and misguided). Just being honest, probably should have picked better words. I think we both just exchanging passive-agressive remarks (me calling you dumb, you calling us inferior product etc), let's just stop, take a chill pill and work together? Please?aec36a8becc6f3ea3c63fee294edc24…
(DIR) Post #ALrC39k89QM6mUtZJo by dielan@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:31:37.109529Z
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@FloatingGhost I'll admit I didn't pay attention to the scopes on the posts, thats my badStill gaslighting tho@fristi @hj
(DIR) Post #ALrC4IHBuUOTXItxZI by pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb
2022-07-25T17:31:48.926641Z
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@hj @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan I think we both just exchanging passive-agressive remarks (me calling you dumb, you calling us inferior product etc), let’s just stopyes, escalate into active aggression
(DIR) Post #ALrC6u06cez77E9bQe by pleb@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:30:13.319266Z
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@fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan it does kinda look like you're being the piss baby here from past behavior, stop it and improve yourselffloaty might have been gloating needlesly, but at least someone's proud of their recent accomplishments, and is mostly returning shade thrown their way for it
(DIR) Post #ALrC6uRkxr6QUz5gWm by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T17:32:15.790627Z
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@pleb @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan hey i'm proud of my accomplishments too, have you seen magi.shitposter.club ?
(DIR) Post #ALrCVQ7mq2HnhDRCQi by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-25T17:34:32.154851Z
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@FloatingGhost @fristi @hj @dielan
(DIR) Post #ALrCWTGCfIdli8sL4a by dielan@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:36:52.259025Z
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@hj @@pleb hold up what's this? :pogelemental:
(DIR) Post #ALrCYXEWrfMAc14oEa by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-25T17:34:59.178441Z
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@pleb @fristi @FloatingGhost @hj @dielan
(DIR) Post #ALrCajGL6xc6V0yAwC by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T17:37:39.571706Z
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@dielan newer PleromaFE, basically
(DIR) Post #ALrCf7eAOQI5HgD2q8 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T17:38:27.506607Z
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@w @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan @pleb8b041ceedd519d96110b53c920e1e66…
(DIR) Post #ALrCgyIW7kIurpxsYq by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:38:48.590264Z
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@dielan @hj it kicks ass is what it is
(DIR) Post #ALrCkxdIXOgpxoaSkC by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-25T17:37:19.926492Z
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@hj @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan @pleb This is so confusing. Is the girl and the spider separate? Is her head attached to the body or is it holding her?
(DIR) Post #ALrCvmuAlPstsSduhk by dielan@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:41:23.380560Z
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@hj @fristi @w @FloatingGhost @pleb
(DIR) Post #ALrCvrLcFKDHejVt2G by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-07-25T17:41:29.765275Z
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@dielan @FloatingGhost @hj > Still gaslighting thotbh the gaslighting is on both sides. Frankly the constant passive aggressive bumps back and forth aren't doing anyone good. While I can understand doing so out of frustration, it's not helping anything.Frankly I think everyone can better stick to their own projects for now. If the Pleroma devs want to take something back from the Akkoma project, they can do so themselves at their own leisure, because that's what the fucking GPL is for. No interactions required. If they have no such desire, then don't. Akkoma will further deviate off and become it's own thing. And that's fine.
(DIR) Post #ALrCxxt6tuFWWGBTI8 by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-07-25T17:41:53.210716Z
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@hj @w @FloatingGhost @dielan @pleb this is a cute spider
(DIR) Post #ALrD46wU9KKgL3h2wq by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T17:42:55.873091Z
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@dielan @fristi @w @FloatingGhost @pleb i prefer artists' renditions31c957130480cb76164dd17057adc33…af2c8f5e436c6dea8ff963b27702bb2…ee730aeb13df08fb73eeebda75fe8ce…
(DIR) Post #ALrD5yl9XmC1XVHdOC by iceloops@lizards.live
2022-07-25T17:43:20Z
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@pleb @fristi @FloatingGhost @hj @dielan >it does kinda look like you're being the piss baby here from past behavior.and all i hear from you is a faggot
(DIR) Post #ALrDE7TZ1LBYtBwDaK by dielan@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:44:48.102781Z
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@fristi yeah that would be nice cuz free software is good like that.That's not what happened today tho. Just calling it as I'm seeing it. @FloatingGhost @hj
(DIR) Post #ALrDPSR3Qxt94zAdm4 by iceloops@lizards.live
2022-07-25T17:46:51Z
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@pleb @fristi @FloatingGhost @hj @dielan reminds me like you telling me i should not have my computer. all i see in you a loser.
(DIR) Post #ALrDU4VtnnhSKpdY24 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T17:47:39.080350Z
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@fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan i just feel we'll end up with situation where Akkoma's BE will be overdeveloped with FE being underdeveloped while on Pleroma side it will be quite the opposite, and given Pleroma's being understaffed especially on BE side I feel it would be mutually beneficial to both of us - floaty can see pleroma's heading closer to their desired destination, we could see pleroma being developed more and possibly faster.
(DIR) Post #ALrDXWVcAkcy1v9LIe by iceloops@lizards.live
2022-07-25T17:48:18Z
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@pleb @fristi @FloatingGhost @hj @dielan let soydevs piss and moan.
(DIR) Post #ALrDawZ9kVQXiIRAFk by dielan@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:48:55.883579Z
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@Moon @hj holy fuck this is great :2b:
(DIR) Post #ALrDj0MhVYYToSSHFw by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:50:23.543732Z
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@dielan @fristi @FloatingGhost @hj what are kidding free software sucks and paid software is good.
(DIR) Post #ALrDn7y5BMyQYEuEQS by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T17:51:05.873677Z
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@1iceloops123 @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan ice are you feeling ok? put something cool on your head, you're being a hothead right now
(DIR) Post #ALrDuErbwWpbxsGn44 by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:52:23.698634Z
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@hj @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan when am i ever ok?
(DIR) Post #ALrDw8xir5pkF02KyO by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T17:52:43.809540Z
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@1iceloops123 @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan quite often
(DIR) Post #ALrEC3tbSZzrA2hU5A by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:55:38.435882Z
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@hj @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan dealing with lot that and i bet people think i'm weak because of it.
(DIR) Post #ALrETTTjb51NQYu4hc by dielan@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:58:47.189647Z
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@Moon @hj is there a setting I need to set to make these go away?I've already blocked it on my browser like I was doing for the regular FE
(DIR) Post #ALrEWnwvwWmNmm9Ioa by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:59:22.884904Z
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@dielan @hj i don't even know why they happen
(DIR) Post #ALrEXhdMuSP4UJQT5s by dielan@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T17:59:33.009775Z
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@Moon @hj >inb4 go back to Bromite I will eventually
(DIR) Post #ALrEYhqdbDrBRQ6wNs by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T17:59:41.305713Z
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@dielan @Moon those don't look related to chrome issue, it's just failure to fetch :vanShrug:
(DIR) Post #ALrEcphGMMT6wTh4JU by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T18:00:28.274184Z
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@hj @dielan i've tried to configure them away but they remain
(DIR) Post #ALrEkx40qyXY6hCq6i by lewdthewides@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-25T18:01:54.342889Z
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@Moon @hj @dielan I only see them on my phone, and when I have the browser window in the background. I suspect it's because the browser is closing the websocket connection, and pleroma doesn't know how to handle it gracefully
(DIR) Post #ALrEryUzupawaMB23s by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T18:03:11.028592Z
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@lewdthewides @Moon @dielan try disabling websockets
(DIR) Post #ALrF93erzFjNVdwMyW by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T18:06:18.233322Z
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@hj @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan i find the whole software thing is dumb. because its like candy people might lik3chocolate ,hard candy or skittles. some people like me will say it doesn't matter because it all sucks just pick the one you like. others will be say hard candy is better than chocolate and so on. like people can just make software or keep acting lame about things. but i know my opinion doesn't matter.
(DIR) Post #ALrFHskntkUmIRvKfQ by lewdthewides@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-25T18:07:51.869800Z
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@hj @Moon @dielan I don't think you can do that at the browser without disabling javascript
(DIR) Post #ALrFJqQTWYizejLov2 by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-07-25T18:08:14.293444Z
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@hj @FloatingGhost @dielan It doesn't have to be like that. But both sides will have to learn to respect each other's decision making. And that's currently where the big crack is, and I doubt that crack will ever be mended. But that doesn't have to be a problem. Floaty managed to do what she did because she was not constrained to pleroma's internal decision making. But Pleroma can pull in those changes as well. For free. Because GPL. As such, even if Floaty breaks off and does her own thing, it doesn't have to be a massive issue or anything. Perhaps this model of forking off might prove beneficial, if you decide to work with it.And if Akkoma somehow "wins" so to speak, well, maybe that would say something about the pleroma project being misguided. Frankly I currently do not know what the state of the project is, who is leading it and what the end-goals currently are. Would you blame me if I said I didn't want to invest time in a project that looked like a dead fish on dry land to me?
(DIR) Post #ALrG5HBFrx2aFBqh0a by ilja@ilja.space
2022-07-25T18:16:47.180666Z
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@fristi @FloatingGhost @hj @dielan Basically this btwThe way I see it, people have often learned that "sticking together" is a good thing. But honestly, one thing I've learned in the past when working around the concept of consensus, it's that splitting up can actually be a good thing. Even when your goals are alike (not saying that's the case here), the road to get somewhere can be different. People need to be free to explore that, and you can't do that by forcing everyone to stay within one project.
(DIR) Post #ALrGqYlQJQWMO8JSoC by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T18:25:19.583565Z
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@fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan I don't understand still. What decision making? What constrains? In pleroma everyone decides for themselves but we have to work together and coexist. You can always have your own fork or branch with your own changes but normally people try to contribute at least something upstream.From my perspective what floaty is doing is: contribute a tiny bit some time ago, do a hard fork because didn't like the direction Pleroma is going, act like Akkoma is the new upstream and Pleroma is outdated and dead.>Would you blame me if I said I didn't want to invest time in a project that looked like a dead fish on dry land to me?Isn't that's what floaty doing here? What is your point?
(DIR) Post #ALrIeiau8a3HJGsFs0 by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-07-25T18:45:37.443988Z
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@hj @FloatingGhost @dielan > Isn't that's what floaty doing here? What is your point?No, I'm merely stating how things look from the outside. I've seen pleroma dip in the mud twice now, first with the gleason fiasco and then with the flopped "newroma" thing. For an outsider the project looks like a disaster zone. Maybe though that's not entirely true, but I cannot blame anyone for thinking that way. That said I have not witnessed the exact moment float decided to fork off so I cannot really say much about it since I don't know the details. Maybe things were said, I wouldn't know. And that's not the point I wanted to make anyway.All I'm saying is, not everyone will like the way the pleroma project progresses and they will do their own thing instead. That doesn't have to be a problem for pleroma though. The only thing that's a problem now is the bickering from both sides, so my suggestion is: just go your own ways.
(DIR) Post #ALrIonMfFx1d061Cwi by billiam@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T18:47:27.959838Z
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@dielan @Moon @hj maybe they can be dynamically blocked by ublock origin?
(DIR) Post #ALrK68HQqUcikKOzDc by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T19:01:45.599225Z
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@fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan >I've seen pleroma dip in the mud twice now, first with the gleason fiasco and then with the flopped "newroma" thing. i've seen pleroma dip in the mud many more times than that, and newroma isn't one of those at all.What I don't understand is why not just take over? I mean when I started contributing I only was just another rando submitting my shitty code, but my investment in project lead to me being maintainer (although against my will) and now people (floaty at least) think i'm the "ruler" or something. Same could happen with floaty but i guess they want different name and disassociation with pleroma (despite being associated with us anyway).Yes, pleroma can still pull stuff from akkoma but the best person to do it... refuses.
(DIR) Post #ALrKEL8quVCQx7Ip0q by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T19:03:14.903175Z
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@billiam @Moon @dielan i' advise against that, as it just hides the display of error, not fixes the error.i mean it's the same as blocking out "low fuel" lamp in your car
(DIR) Post #ALrKKjqpxDgBKCvXY8 by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T19:04:22.987809Z
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@hj @billiam @dielan i almost never see it but sometimes it will happen incessantly for an hour then go away
(DIR) Post #ALrLPvMkfayiRItL2e by FloatingGhost@ihatebeinga.live
2022-07-25T18:45:29.967996Z
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@hj @fristi @dielan >contribute a tiny bit some time agoyou're only digging yourself a deeper hole herei was right at the forefront of newroma, tried to work with you lot but the pleroma committee system failed to get the project anywhereand i've got a not insignificant number of PRs merged, just for the record
(DIR) Post #ALrLPvyKPt2IJqTLc0 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T19:16:32.455239Z
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@FloatingGhost @fristi @dielan newroma only "failed" because of miscommunication within pleroma-dev, which was resolved by yours truly and essentially bringing everyone back together, alleviating the very need and basis for newroma. I guess you didn't get the memo or something.>but the pleroma committee system failed to get the project anywherewhat committee system? what failure? we keep on developing but slowly, and not because we stuck bikeshedding but mostly because we don't have enough people maintaining the project. People get burned out, especially when there's shit brewing.>and i've got a not insignificant number of PRs merged, just for the recordthen what's the problem? You have 14 MRs merged and 4 closed in BE, 1 merged and 1 closed in FE.I really, truly don't understand - we merge your MRs, we're open to discussion, our direction is flexible enough, we can work together, but you just prefer to act like you're better than us and refuse to contribute upstream.
(DIR) Post #ALrLRdlZ4noGQxJeQy by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-07-25T19:16:52.380814Z
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@hj @FloatingGhost @dielan > What I don't understand is why not just take over?This isn't about taking over, and that wouldn't solve anything. > now people (floaty at least) think i'm the "ruler" or somethingI don't, and I doubt float does (but I can be wrong). What I see is a project with a number of contributors and that's about it. > Yes, pleroma can still pull stuff from akkoma but the best person to do it... refuses.So? Someone else can do it. I don't see the problem here. It's merging, not developing from scratch.
(DIR) Post #ALrLzHTcSEv59Mxm4W by PorkCow@freespeechextremist.com
2022-07-25T19:22:58.818946Z
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@hj @dielan @FloatingGhost @fristi @pleb @w Spider thread, step on the gastumblr_pnhm50eipV1x908lio1_400.png1200px-Squitter.jpgArich_Artwork_-_Donkey_Kong_Country_3.png220px-Spider_DKJB.png
(DIR) Post #ALrMAwTyKvnPVpglV2 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T19:25:02.225417Z
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@fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan >This isn't about taking over, and that wouldn't solve anything. how's that different than akkoma? what akkoma solves then? From what I remember talking to floaty it was pretty much exactly about taking over - hard fork to disassociate from pleroma and for it to be heading in right direction, steered by floaty.>It's merging, not developing from scratch.it's backporting, which is development as well. It's maintaining and being responsible for the code. Don't forget that we only have like around 4 people total, so people not contributing is a problem.
(DIR) Post #ALrNbkMDcpA9gEPJq4 by FloatingGhost@ihatebeinga.live
2022-07-25T19:29:30.267654Z
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@hj @fristi @dielan I've explained, several times, in excruciating detail, how I believe pleroma's project management to be naive at best and harmful at worstand how I don't believe you have any form of visionand how you're beholden to the worst usersand how you've gone essentially nowhere in 6 monthsthese are fundamental flaws in pleroma as it is and I cannot fix them, they're too deeply entrenchedyou've several times described how "everyone decided on what to do" then go "wait there's no committee system" as well, I don't want to keep saying it but you must acknowledge the power structure that's there, and find a way to get it to work for you, instead of denying it's presence
(DIR) Post #ALrNbkuFaINvNmKUsq by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T19:41:06.171739Z
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@FloatingGhost @fristi @dielan >and how you've gone essentially nowhere in 6 monthsexcuse me we got 3column mode, vue3 and many other improvements in frontend and we're also getting editing support. Sorry it's taking so long, it's hard to be focused on work and do stuff when people keep stirring shit up and saying nonsense like "lack of vision", "behoding to worst users" and that those issues somehow are deeply entrenched and cannot be fixed but supposedly akkoma fixes them all somehow.You keep explaining in excruciating details what the issues are but you never explain why they're supposedly "deeply entrenched" and that you can't fix them.I can also keep spewing nonsense saying that akkoma goes nowhere, deeply flawed etc, but I would prefer working together, or I guess, just working - with people who want to work together.I don't see how anyone would want to work with you so i guess good luck pulling upstream changes and fixing conflicts. If lanodan said something about you "burning bridges", he's probably right.
(DIR) Post #ALrO5cjIY83Ai7Rtw0 by FloatingGhost@ihatebeinga.live
2022-07-25T19:43:51.186187Z
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@hj @fristi @dielan this is a very long "I know you are but what am I" which is pretty pathetic as responses go if I'm honest
(DIR) Post #ALrO5d6h98lVsgOaP2 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T19:46:29.107320Z
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@FloatingGhost @fristi @dielan what does that even mean
(DIR) Post #ALrOGlwIeG1wSXqXdQ by shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu
2022-07-25T19:47:34.603237Z
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@fristi @FloatingGhost @hj @dielan dunno what all's about here, but looking from around-forever person using's perspective, just i wish there isn't some drama and that people stop reimplementing all the worst parts of misskey (quotes, spinny-bouncing formatting, etc) to make them normal so it's impossible to escape
(DIR) Post #ALrOsfKHgTwyxA8Mds by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-07-25T19:55:22.440929Z
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@hj @FloatingGhost @dielan > From what I remember talking to floaty it was pretty much exactly about taking over - hard fork to disassociate from pleroma and for it to be heading in right direction, steered by floaty.As I said, I wasn't there, didn't see. And if float did say it that way then she's wrong. You cannot "take over" with a fork in that sense, you just go your own way. >it's backporting, which is development as well. It's maintaining and being responsible for the code. Don't forget that we only have like around 4 people total, so people not contributing is a problem.Point taken. Anyway, as I've said, I think it's best if both parties just put some distance between each other for now because I can elsewhere in the thread that things aren't going anywhere soon. It's shitty, but I think it's for the better in the long run.Anyway, this is where I peace out. I hope this drama can be sorted out in the future some time.
(DIR) Post #ALrPR2PGNX8UNhqvlA by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T20:01:35.037796Z
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@eris @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan >Pleroma is unsafe for trans users, and has beenHow come? Quite a few of our contributors are trans or queer at least, including lanodan.What is the glaring flaw? I can't follow all the fedi threads and issues pleroma has.>"everything should be public and we should publish to blocked instances" everything should be public - yes, but I don't remember saying that we should publish to blocked instance. Also, that's just my opinion, backed solely by understanding the technicalities of the network and internet in general - don't publish stuff you don't want to be public. And you can see that it's my opinion only as Pleroma still has scopes which i still hate, but people need them and want them, so they will remain forever and I'm forced to cope with it.
(DIR) Post #ALrQjhWcL5Wd4ikv2G by FloatingGhost@ihatebeinga.live
2022-07-25T20:00:20.701277Z
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@hj @fristi @dielan I'm going to be really blunt with you for a bit, since you seem incapable of retaining context across postsI'm going to lay out why, precisely, I do not want to work under the banner of pleroma and why I do not believe you can recover, one last time, and you can never again claim that I didn't explain1. the project lacks coherent leadership, and hence direction. you've stated that it's aiming to be "flexible" but not limited the scope in any way, leading to there being no defined niche, or image for what the software should be. it's a nebulous cloud that fits in "social" but does not know how to pick which bits to do2. pleroma's brand is tainted. this cannot be denied, the sheer amount of hostility flowing both ways between developers and users have made it a toxic environment. the userbase leans"free speech" and that leaks into the projects goals when they exist3. the project management is ill or undefined. this was exposed for all to see with the gleason thing. there is no consensus over what gets merged and who decides. this leads to PRs sitting untouched or wrongfully merged4. there is no central community. this contributes massively to the above. the community has been fracturing for years with segments of the userbase unwilling to cooperate for varying reasons. this leads to a lack of contributors since it's likely that one segment does not want to assist another. thus adopting one segment and making something specifically for them will lead to far better results, and is ultimately my course of action I'm not going to say anything good about soapbox, but they too have adopted one corner of the userbasemaybe it's time to accept your dream of a unified core that provides for everyone is dead, and it's not coming back
(DIR) Post #ALrQjhvQqpNIJgMjiK by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T20:16:08.693818Z
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@FloatingGhost @fristi @dielan thank you very much, it's hard to keep context because of so many things happening in life at same time.1. I don't see how akkoma is different in this regards, the only difference i see is instead of flock people it's just you being the leader2. Akkoma's brand is also tainted by association, at least that's how it works for people who think brands can be "tainted". We don't cater to any groups in particular and avoid politics in general, but everyone is free to contribute and steer project, and you're contributing against that. I'm starting to think you just want Pleroma to be "the bad" so that akkoma looks better in comparison.3. I think we more or less established processes now, if we had more people collaborating we'd get this over quicker, and have better management, I can't do EVERYTHING myself, and neither can you.4. There is central community, it's in #pleroma-dev IRC chat and on pleroma gitlab. And your course of action to fix the fracturing of the community is... fracturing it even further?I don't have that dream. My dream is for PleromaFE to be the greatest and PleromaBE to serve as a backbone for it and rivals to PleromaFE. Just how it originally was.
(DIR) Post #ALrRsQPpQAaKZUIukC by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T20:28:53.172900Z
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@eris @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan man if only we had people to fix these issues, what if, imagine for a second, people started contributing to pleroma, becoming maintainers, and steering into right direction. Especially when it's in this weak and almost incapacitated state.>You can't be ignorant to the issues pleroma has.>Block bots making us turn off outgoing block federation,>admins like p orchestrating mass harassment,>poast,>the inability to make pleroma safe for those who experience harassment,>blocks not properly federating to us or preventing us from interacting with those who block usHow's all of these a PLEROMA problems? Welcome to fediverse, it's fucking broken. All of these issues would apply to mastodon and other server software. If anything - it's MASTODON problem - mastodon lured people into fediverse thinking it would be safer here SOMEHOW, well aware how broken network is, and how hard it is to ACTUALLY make stuff "safe". Why are you complaining about this stuff to us? Why aren't you complaining to gargron? If you want to avoid harassment at all you should move to "networks" that actually provide some sort of governance and moderation, like Twitter, or some mastodon/pleroma "instance" that has whitelist federation or no federation at all.Stuff is there - blocks, mutes, but it's all fucking broken because the network itself is broken, and fixing it far from being trivial, and people keep being burned out by it. Do you know how fucking deletes are completely busted and how there's very little we could do about it?>quarantine being useless, if something wrong with outgoing blocks then yeah it's probably our fault>and getting harassed for raising these issues at all.harassed? maybe pleorma devs are being harrased for using ActivityPub at all, people keep complaining that our software is broken, we say it's the network that is broken and there's little we can do about it, people think it's harrasment and stir up the drama.we're not ignorant, ok? we know about some of the broken shit with blocks and stuff, but the nature of the network we're on doesn't always let us fix things without breaking other things or without DDoSing everything or without overloading instances. You can bring this up but your proposed solution will most likely wouldn't fly.
(DIR) Post #ALrRxYMzH7GKglQ8Su by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-07-25T20:29:53.287345Z
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@hj @fristi @eris @FloatingGhost @dielan are you guys ever gonna respond to your serious loss of credibility resulting from alex gleason's actions (pushing through breaking changes and telling other people to get over it)not sure why i'd want to contribute when only his opinions matter
(DIR) Post #ALrRztoIWyGTlSJUfI by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-07-25T20:30:19.077586Z
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@hj @FloatingGhost @dielan @eris @fristi Or would you rather continue to pretend that this never took place?
(DIR) Post #ALrU1my58mgZ1zv11M by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T20:53:01.369051Z
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@neo @fristi @eris @FloatingGhost @dielan yes, that was awful and so was when other people were pushing things onto us, like user URLs. I don't know what else to say other than that we restructured or at least in the process of doing so, it burned out most of us more than you'd think.My old assumption always was, from experience, that Pleroma's dev processes are always subject to discussion, and in 2019 that was violated multiple times, until (after some pauses) it reached boiling point in 2022 and I brought people together to discuss and clarify the situation, to clear the miscommunication that we had this whole time. We are trying to improve, and I don't think it's a good idea to try to disguise ourselves under a different name like "newroma" or "akkoma", I'd rather rebuild our credibility, and mostly with actions, not words, i'm tired of this thread already.Think it's hopeless to regain credibility? No Man's Sky did that.
(DIR) Post #ALrU98Q9mIUnapYMS0 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T20:54:21.699184Z
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@eris @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan > These issues are unique to pleroma, and FG has been the only one willing to say hey let's try to fix this.So did they fix them? I honestly don't think they're the first one to try.>Please delete your replies to me Sorry but I refuse. Can't you just mute him? Firewall against fse?
(DIR) Post #ALrUSLxfetyX5fORXc by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T20:57:50.193563Z
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@w @fristi @eris @FloatingGhost @dielan what I'm saying is - blocks are hard. You either never tell other person you've blocked them and they never unfollow you technically from their side, while all the others are oblivious to it, or you do tell them you blocked them and get ridiculed because block is federated and they know, just as small example.if it's really pleroma-specific then we need to talk specifics.Just so you know that for most people it's hard to work on something that's at least partially attached to a drama, so take this "ignorance" with a grain of salt.
(DIR) Post #ALrUf8HDqiCuPedEyO by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T21:00:09.720686Z
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@eris @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan then don't federate with FSE
(DIR) Post #ALrUuPln5oLl0hDWb2 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T21:02:54.224945Z
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@eris @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan i do care and i do listen but there are limits to what I'm willing to do. Go ahead - tell me to kill myself and whine that i won't listen and don't care. My posts are my posts and I'm not deleting them unless I see fit, and I don't see fit in this situation.Without my posts in history how can anyone be sure of what I've said? You can always claim that I said nasty things to you and then deleted them in case if I accept.Not to mention, it won't do jack shit if FSE drops deletes, since as i said before, DELETES ARE FUCKING BUSTED
(DIR) Post #ALrV1xvYUiEoyVNvn6 by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T21:04:17.806589Z
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@hj @fristi @w @eris @FloatingGhost @dielan >attached to dramaAnd people take the internet seriously and I dunno jack off or something because they are a joke. Oh no I'm offended not everyone going to like them. Like you learn this in 3rd grade.
(DIR) Post #ALrV6G2V61qWJ4gEXw by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T21:05:02.243994Z
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@eris @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan yeah i made a fucking choice, i'm not letting you take control of me and guilt-trip me into submission.
(DIR) Post #ALrVAj5b1zuXYtG7KS by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T21:05:51.965298Z
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@eris @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan people will always do that, they'll find a way. Be it akkoma, twitter, mastodon, pleroma, newroma, friendica, twitter's federated shit, real life, IRC, astral plane, whatever.image.png
(DIR) Post #ALrVECbbkMGZyQtDZg by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-07-25T21:06:28.835567Z
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@hj @eris @FloatingGhost @dielan could you guys untag me please, I peaced out quite a while ago. Thanks.
(DIR) Post #ALrVIMYggTEI05VWqG by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T21:07:11.168813Z
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@fristi @eris @FloatingGhost @dielan mute thread. I will TRY to untag further down the line, however.
(DIR) Post #ALrVLCH3NThSyMbvn6 by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2022-07-25T21:07:46.410906Z
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@hj @FloatingGhost @dielan @eris @fristi @w I don't know what to tell people like this other than take a break. Or ignore people yes it's hard delicate little flower life isn't fair get over it.
(DIR) Post #ALrWCFBnGml7MURfii by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T21:17:19.555002Z
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@eris @fristi @FloatingGhost @dielan >you asked what issues pleroma has, and I listed themand most of them sound like issues with the network, otherwise it needs detailed investigation case-by-case. I don't really know what exactly is broken with what, so I can't say a lot on it, especially since i'm not overly familiar with backend.>you said no, for no reasoni provided my reason - i don't trust you or anyone, asking to delete my own posts just because it supposedly MIGHT attract some people that you could block/mute is really sus, so i trust you even less. I might need my posts for historical reasons so that people don't put words in my mouth that i never said. On top of that, your reasoning is also invalid so there's even less reason to do it. I might delete my posts, but delete won't federate to q (and with amount of my replies the chances only get worse) and he might still harass you. Hell, he probably doesn't even need me to harass you, so why am I to blame?>How did the option to not respect deletes get there in pleroma in the first place hm? Pleroma is Free and Open-Source, there is no option to disrespect deletes, but it's probably piss-easy to do so if you have the know-how for it.>Wild how the problem falls on fedi but never the developers! Oh we have a lot of problems that do fall on us. More than you can imagine.>I once considered you one of the good pleroma devs but now I see that these issues will never be addressed and there's no hope in trying to work with you or the pleroma team.Good fucking riddance then, you sound like a pain in the ass to work with and I'm glad I don't work with you. Ciao!
(DIR) Post #ALrXwcsfcKMu7BBHsm by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-25T21:36:56.113785Z
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@amolith @eris @dielan huh.026ea337483151219e3738053881746…
(DIR) Post #ALrkkPRN3qDuMLuuaO by neko@rdrama.cc
2022-07-26T00:00:26.609771Z
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@FloatingGhost @fristi @hj @dielan Akkoma being a project made for a community is what is already showing how it can be bring down to a failure. Software needs to quit focusing so hard on community and remember what it truly already is; Software. Free software doesn’t need “leaders”, it needs people to write code, efficiently and effectively. All Akkoma, judging from most of the commits so far, is focused on just adding features, nothing but features, instead of really fixing and cleaning up the backend issues that have rotted in Pleroma for months. Pleroma has mostly focused on just cleaning up bugs and issues. You spent a good amount of time removing features from Pleroma too, instead of having discussions on whether X feature or Y feature is wanted. This breaks compatibility with other clients for example, you’re creating your own beast at this point.Gleason, in my personal opinion, did quite a lot for Pleroma. He did force merge some things, which I do frown upon, but he shit out a lot of code on a plate for people and merged over his own fixes onto Pleroma. The majority of the real disappointment from Gleason was that he was a TERF, which I can promise you one thing, will never matter in a million years. He pushes no politics onto the software itself, he is still respecting to Trans contributors; that’s how he maintains it in a mature way.Stop sounding entitled too, nobody has to do this, absolutely nobody. This is Free software, contribute and discuss what you want to be changed, or fork (which you do), but lashing on other developers of where your code is inherited from doesn’t help. I do remember you applying some security patches on Akkoma (with private instances leaking public threads), but you never sent a PR over to the Pleroma side to check out these things. You want everyone to use your fork and are consistent on shitting on Pleroma at this point.The backend is really just in a bugfix mode at this point. We don’t really need any new features, although some are handy, a lot of it is inherited from GNU Social and what we had before. It doesn’t JUST have to be the backend that improves, the frontend side of things for example is a huge mess. The backend constantly needs to be cleaned up before new shit just gets piled on, but you are just doing the latter.I started developing Treebird only because I saw how PleromaFE was a hack that was spiraling out of control, and I saw that really, the Fediverse just needed a lightweight, clean, simple frontend that stays out of the way and sticks to the true nature of the web. Gleason saw the same and started working on SoapboxFE. It is a lot more performant and cleans up all the issues that were riddled with PleromaFE, and introduced a familiar experience into the community as a whole. It brought things, not necessarily bad things.This is free software, stop being so entitled about it, everyone does it in their free time
(DIR) Post #ALsTGaSU1n9tmTahl2 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2022-07-26T08:19:13.023512Z
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@amolith @dielan @eris btw this is being worked on now, seems to be an oversight/confusion related to some internal thing: https://git.pleroma.social/pleroma/pleroma/-/issues/2904