Post ALYN15cEzMHYPhDTQO by pixelcodeapps@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #A8oYcjzmvJe4uxxfxw by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2021-06-30T14:42:31Z
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So GitHub copilot… correct me if I’m wrong here: it was trained on open source (including GPLed & AGPLed code?) by *spit* Elon Musk’s OpenAI and now it regurgitates said code and this doesn’t violate the GPL/AGPL because…?
(DIR) Post #A8oYl2mSxrzdUmgoCW by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-06-30T14:44:34Z
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@aral Because gigantic corporations would never do such an unethical thing of course!Trust us, we are Microsoft.
(DIR) Post #A8oZ0BHPeC5gCONlfE by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2021-06-30T14:46:55Z
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@ParadeGrotesque I know, right? :awesome:
(DIR) Post #A8oZ7RkMp0dLIVOFGq by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-06-30T14:48:36Z
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@aral See? Everything is just fine, it's just a question of attitude! 🤣
(DIR) Post #A8oZMMGDVB8QcrOjCK by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2021-06-30T14:49:57Z
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@ParadeGrotesque I feel better now, thank you :)#JustKeepSwimmingJustKeepSwimming
(DIR) Post #A8oZYsdmwH4kWgOVfs by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-06-30T14:53:33Z
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@aral You are very welcome! 😂 (Ahem, M. Nadella? Yes. Hello, Sir. Feel free to send the check to the usual address. And a good day to you, Sir.)#SarcasmButOnlyHalf
(DIR) Post #A8oq2px36JTo8hi3uK by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2021-06-30T17:58:18.927818Z
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@aral Would that ordinarily violate GPL/AGPL?
(DIR) Post #A8oq7fVnLHvxD3GX4q by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-06-30T17:59:11.109020Z
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@realcaseyrollins @aral because the courts haven't said it does yet.
(DIR) Post #A8oqHeE8yQc67Ylg0G by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2021-06-30T17:59:19Z
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@realcaseyrollins I don’t believe we can speak of “ordinarily” at this point :) (There is no case law to speak of.)
(DIR) Post #A8oqHehZD29JaoXArg by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2021-06-30T18:00:58.427258Z
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@aral what the heck is so different about this instance that we would need a new legal precedent for this?
(DIR) Post #A8oqaGeyotlaWyCP32 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2021-06-30T18:03:47Z
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@realcaseyrollins Because it uses machine learning. So Microsoft will argue it’s fair use (based on properties unique to machine learning) and I’d argue, for example, that it is not different to any other use and should come under the terms of the license as a derivative.
(DIR) Post #A8oqdlPuvFegn5owCG by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2021-06-30T18:04:59.519393Z
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@aral Oh I didn't even know there was a question as to whether or not it was derivative. Has anyone argued otherwise? Other than #Microsoft perhaps
(DIR) Post #A8orPD3zx2Cu94ByU4 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2021-06-30T18:06:03Z
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@realcaseyrollins No idea. They just released it yesterday and I only saw it today :)
(DIR) Post #A8sZLl90HDgk8yZuCG by josias@theres.life
2021-06-30T14:50:14Z
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@aral Does it regurgitate this code or merely "learn" from it? If the latter, humans also learn from GPL code. I think this falls under "fair use"
(DIR) Post #A8sZLlYsj0O9REgZX6 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2021-06-30T15:01:10Z
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@josias Sounds to me like we need new clauses added to “share alike” free/open licenses (including non-code ones like Creative Commons) that specifically disallow use in generating proprietary machine learning models.
(DIR) Post #A8sZLm44r1LGzzHU9o by pippin@mastodon.xyz
2021-07-01T00:31:42Z
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@aral it does not look like the people making AI training datasets consider licenses as applicable to their actions, for grave ethics violations involving CC licensed (and not) photos, consider https://exposing.ai/megaface/
(DIR) Post #A8sZLmagtlQid8XWzY by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-07-02T12:58:17Z
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@pippin@aralCopilot already caught red-handed..https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27710287
(DIR) Post #ALWQooqqy81LIZfwi8 by tychosoft@fosstodon.org
2022-07-15T16:54:46Z
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@realcaseyrollins @aral There is now some case law that specifies machine generated "inventions" are not patentable with the ai as inventor, and that violations would follow the "operator" of the ai. Is the output of copilot a "derivative" work, or a "product" of Microsoft is yet to be clearly determined. However, if it is a derivative work, Microsoft would be liable as the "operator". It sounds like a massive undisclosed risk that should have been in their SEC filings...
(DIR) Post #ALYN15cEzMHYPhDTQO by pixelcodeapps@mstdn.social
2022-07-15T21:52:47Z
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@aral I argue that #Copilot doesn't violate #Copyleft licences for multiple reasons. Most importantly, #GitHub's terms of use most likely override the repos' chosen licences, allowing #Microsoft to use any code uploaded there. Also, Copilot's outputs are too small to be copyright-protectable. Though, there are more reasons as well as other things to consider too: https://forgoodeyesonly.codeberg.page/blog/2022/07/why-github-copilot-doesnt-violate-free-licences/
(DIR) Post #ALZdTSTDP29npPVIBM by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2022-07-16T18:28:15Z
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@pixelcodeapps I argue Microsoft are cunts and can go fuck themselves.
(DIR) Post #ALeIcc9VIfrCMCegjo by nicemicro@fosstodon.org
2022-07-19T12:13:59Z
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@pixelcodeapps @aral Hmm, if this is true, maybe we should train our own AI on Copilot's outputs :PI wonder how would that fly in terms of copyright and / or other intellectual property rights.
(DIR) Post #ALeImr0wtlJtLYXK40 by pixelcodeapps@mstdn.social
2022-07-19T12:15:50Z
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@nicemicro @aral Good idea! On their website, they say they waive all copyright. 🤷😉