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(DIR) Post #ALQmeDOOPyjyGix7IW by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-07-12T23:44:26Z
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This is the kind of thing I worry about when it comes to our modern technology. BMW charging a monthly fee to use a feature in the car you've "purchased". #BMW doesn't need to do anything to make this work. You already have everything you need to have the feature. It's just you need to be paying the fee for BMW to LET you use a feature in your own car. The subscription economy is out of hand.https://www.motor1.com/news/597376/bmw-heated-seats-subscription/
(DIR) Post #ALQn76MBeg9mqWh90q by DarkWraithLord@mastodon.social
2022-07-12T23:49:40Z
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@mike Subscriptions is becoming the norm and actually owning anything is becoming less important. But this is odd to charge for a feature. I would buy something else.
(DIR) Post #ALQnN2p4YwJaWDoACm by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-07-12T23:52:32Z
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@DarkWraithLord I can understand subscriptions where continued labor is required for the product. Software or news are good examples. Updates are required so even after a purchase is made more work is being done. Heated seats though? Big no there. It's whether they're on or off. Maybe a temperature adjustment. No one is playing Doom on their seat. This is a horrible idea. I fully agree. Buy something else.
(DIR) Post #ALQqlfEPi9Q8SC5mbo by RL_Dane@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T00:30:36Z
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@mike It's a very old game from IBM's playbook. They realized (around the 80s, maybe?) that it was cheaper to ship a single SKU of mainframe and then let the customer pay for upgrades which consisted of the IBM tech punching some hardware key codes into the console than have various SKUs with various hardware configurations. But making it a subscription is a new level of fsckery. I hope someone drives a sedan through their bloody front window.
(DIR) Post #ALQr6BrO6mOdRQ6rxI by pim@writing.exchange
2022-07-13T00:34:18Z
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@mike Especially this subscription which is essentially by the rich, for the rich.
(DIR) Post #ALQtJQwDYn9tsSoNKS by twann@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T00:59:07Z
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@mike yeah that's concerning. The subscription model gets more popular everyday (Spotify, Netflix, etc.) and it's slowly invading everything, just as this example illustrates.
(DIR) Post #ALQtXJDf3S6nzbaRuq by adamsdesk@mastodon.technology
2022-07-13T01:01:38Z
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@mike Toyota has tried this too. Last I heard they stopped doing a subscription model.
(DIR) Post #ALR98yQUJHLdow0Kno by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T03:56:31Z
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@adamsdesk They still do subscriptions for some things in the Toyota. There's the obvious like Internet and SiriusXM, but there's stuff like remote start and door lock too. Nothing as lame as heated seats though. Everything Toyota charges for is "remote" as far as I know. I have no idea how you'd use heated seats remotely.
(DIR) Post #ALRLnTkQTWjtzoPYAK by MonkeyMatt@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T06:18:18Z
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Is there a "everything is a subscription and you don't actually own anything" black mirror episode because this feels like we're heading into a black mirror episode
(DIR) Post #ALRSuY0ZjUAiuqHZui by pixelherodev@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T07:38:01Z
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@mike The subscription economy isn't out of hand.It's working exactly as intended.
(DIR) Post #ALRhzJftwy4lDoLQ00 by pyre35@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T10:26:59Z
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@pixelherodev @mike lolz. don't fix it if it ain't broke 😂
(DIR) Post #ALRqxx8BBJWmbJznu4 by pixelherodev@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T12:07:35Z
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Don't be ridiculous; *it*'s not broke, it just seeks to ensure as many people as possible stay that way!
(DIR) Post #ALRtA9AGSyTNJ1uhTU by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T12:32:10Z
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@mike that’s disgusting.
(DIR) Post #ALRuUo5s6P8zzWH3ei by murph@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T12:47:06Z
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@mike I wonder, if that feature breaks while you're renting it, will they fix it for free, since you don't own it, you're renting it?
(DIR) Post #ALRv0FLAqiRjTNQIb2 by Corvus@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T12:52:47Z
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@mike hmmm...I wonder what someone in Arizona would pay to turn off their heated seats...?
(DIR) Post #ALRvwCm0YHoCJ4bxkv by archit3ct@social.ssbx.dev
2022-07-13T13:03:14Z
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@mike yeah unfortunately that's where things are going, Tesla is also using a subscription model for self-driving features, but that one is a bit more justifiable since the AI model is a software and so on, but charge for a heated seat is a pure greed.
(DIR) Post #ALRxCyeQPZjLNscs0O by pixelherodev@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T13:17:30Z
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@kev @mikeYet another reason I'm never going to use a car.Another being, of course, THAT I HAVE FEET.
(DIR) Post #ALS4BWgpaIRQ3O0T1k by dflag84@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T14:35:38Z
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@mike I couldn't agree more! Is everything has to become a subscription? Soon people will be forced to pay 1K$ a month tu use their technology. At the price they sell the car it should be part of the deal. I hate this subscription model. I get it for music and tv or stuff that makes sense but now it's everywhere. That's why I try to use FOSS as much as possible. I'd rather make a generous donation to a good project instead of a stupid subscription for something I already paid for.
(DIR) Post #ALS4CktCHDUUNkNPqy by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T14:35:53Z
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@pixelherodev feet are all well and good, but they wouldn't get me 26 miles each way to work. 🙂 @mike
(DIR) Post #ALS58euOfdZ8d4Y48m by dflag84@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T14:46:21Z
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@mike I'm seriously thinking about building my own open source platform to convert existent car into electric. And maybe start my own line of electric vehicle that are not remote controlled by corporation so people can save the planet while still owning their cars...
(DIR) Post #ALS5VgfuGmT2lekeoK by timapple@mastodon.technology
2022-07-13T14:50:26Z
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@mike never liked BMW, but now I would never buy one for sure. Actually, I think the next car I buy will most likely be from the 80s or earlier.
(DIR) Post #ALSAQRu4GJsDHFhGfQ by utahcon@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T15:45:36Z
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@mike sadly they aren't the first to have this horrible idea. Toyota charges a small fee (after 3 years of ownership) for remote start on their vehicles. Now, I can understand IF the service requires the App/internet access (and they don't additionally charge me for internet connectivity), but yeah heated seats. No EFFING way!!
(DIR) Post #ALSEeEZ13SD5mBg8mW by andrewski@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T16:32:52Z
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@mike Outrageous. 10 years ago tethering your PC to your phone became an added subscription. I was furious because I already paid them for that cell data and had the soft and hard capability to use the feature. This is another step off the ledge.
(DIR) Post #ALSLPoAL6XXDWsCky0 by adamsdesk@mastodon.technology
2022-07-13T17:48:43Z
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@mike Well some of that makes sense, but subscription model is just too much.
(DIR) Post #ALSZTTsvqfbr97hy1Q by pixelherodev@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T20:26:14Z
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Ahhh, the joys of remote work :DMore helpfully, if you can't run 26 miles each way to work, you clearly don't care enough about your job.a REAL capitalist would not only run 52 miles a day for their job, they'd figure out how to turn that into a successful business venture!aTo clarify, when I said "helpful," I meant that it might help you smile, not with the transportation :)
(DIR) Post #ALSgOkXDDXP311Evku by MurrayWindripper@fosstodon.org
2022-07-13T21:43:51Z
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@mike#Bosch have a "premium" feature on some of their e-bike motors where you pay to lock the display to the controller so the motor can only be operated by the owner's display. It's a one off modest fee but it should be enabled by default.
(DIR) Post #ALeXgN26xBx1w7RkHI by PowellDean@fosstodon.org
2022-07-19T15:02:43Z
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@mike The trend is getting worse. According to The Register, some customers of Sage, the accounting software company, are complaining they are being forced to a new subscription-based model even though they have already purchased perpetual licensing.
(DIR) Post #ALedSvK9GP3XxUr2gq by wrongthink@cdrom.tokyo
2022-07-19T16:07:32.397704Z
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@andrewski @mike Apparently phones can no longer be mounted as USB storage on PCs?Actually just looked it up and phones now (abstract storage out through something called MTP](https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=240347) so phone drones have even less ability to understand their device.
(DIR) Post #ALedVaqnq6DVKYOwzo by wrongthink@cdrom.tokyo
2022-07-19T16:08:02.164621Z
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@andrewski @mike Apparently phones can no longer be mounted as USB storage on PCs?Actually just looked it up and phones now abstract storage out through something called MTP so phone drones have even less ability to understand their device.
(DIR) Post #ALee1Je3LRm7EcZ2i8 by mint@ryona.agency
2022-07-19T16:13:10.326036Z
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@wrongthink @andrewski @mike Mounting as USB storage is simply not feasible today due to an actual user storage filesystem not being stored on a single unencrypted block device anymore. MTP sucks, yes, so I prefer to use rsync and SFTP/sshfs either over wifi or through ADB port forwarding over the cable.