Post ALIStrdaKdqc2DpX8K by straw@plma.plus.st
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(DIR) Post #ALIHnSM8JeaIOOPQp6 by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-08T21:21:06.010573Z
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You know, it's kind of silly when the ARM ThinkPads Lenovo is currently selling are capable of booting third party operating systems fine ootb, but the Ryzen models they're selling now aren't.
(DIR) Post #ALIHznlmWgeOHTIDVg by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-08T21:23:19Z
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@allison wait what? Is x86 over?
(DIR) Post #ALIIAxlhgvlKTcZvSi by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-08T21:25:20.745601Z
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https://twitter.com/mlarkin2012/status/1541760799533944832 receipts for third party OS on ARM ThinkPad
(DIR) Post #ALIII68gy2mOSujWeu by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-08T21:26:38.289602Z
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@iska It's been over for a while now, depending on what hardware you're buying and what you're looking for. But these Ryzen 6xxx machines with Pluton seem to be the first mass market x86 machines which ship without the ability to run anything except Windows by design.
(DIR) Post #ALIIlXTiOsylebbaIi by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-08T21:31:55.062794Z
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@pleb Guess this is just a test run to gauge consumer anger then. Afaik, they actually *did* remove the requirement for OEMs to include a Secure Boot bypass around the time Windows 11 was finalized, and even on hardware where it technically can be disabled, it can be quite non-obvious how to do it (for example, on my Acer Ryzen 4xxx laptop, I had to set a BIOS password before it would even let me touch the setting)
(DIR) Post #ALILunexuJ9SJByVZQ by mikuphile@gearlandia.haus
2022-07-08T22:07:15.567584Z
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@allison @iska The day x86 dies is the day kikerosoft wincucks dies. No one other than boomers who only use word has any use for wincucks without 99.9% of its soywares. Meanwhile macfags have their interpreter and lincucks their sourcecode.
(DIR) Post #ALIMBmocIdXuc3aaJ6 by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-08T22:10:18.483564Z
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@mikuphile @iska You're much too optimistic about the edge cases, I think. Windows has a healthy future ahead of it even if everyone switches to ARM tomorrow thanks to "death by a thousand papercuts" edgecase stuff that is inherent to Win32 as a platform. The only way I can see this advantage faltering is if Microsoft completely drops Win32 or marginalizes it, which, they have tried to do, but it always fails for obvious reasons.
(DIR) Post #ALINT4ucMxLbcGCnAm by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T22:24:40.244485Z
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@allison @iska According to AMD the Ryzen 6000 series has full Linux support by default
(DIR) Post #ALINc93aKSS14oitAu by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-07-08T22:26:18.530305Z
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@dushman @allison @iska was that added?
(DIR) Post #ALINcMgLfeBNKnxWts by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-08T22:26:20.055653Z
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@dushman @iska I wouldn't doubt it. But I was talking about OEMs and their decisions, not AMD necessarily. (not that I have the kindest opinion of AMD these days for... other reasons)
(DIR) Post #ALINmk3dcDs4jEnhyK by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T22:28:13.511220Z
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@allison @iska Pluton and secure boot are pretty useless in terms of tangible security benefits
(DIR) Post #ALINss48kq3vIpxTVo by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T22:29:19.729374Z
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@allison @iska @coyote And pluton seems like a hard glowing backdoor more thanks anything
(DIR) Post #ALINwxPUpGTP2KtbQO by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T22:30:04.245037Z
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@allison @iska @coyote And pluton seems like a hard glowing backdoor more than anything
(DIR) Post #ALINymedmojKG1qnDc by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T22:30:24.052000Z
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@coyote @allison @iska Wdym
(DIR) Post #ALIO6IPA8bEokyC0n2 by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-08T22:31:43.850621Z
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@dushman @iska @coyote Still kinda fucks me up that Apple currently has the freest mass market hardware from a surveillance/hardware backdoor perspective.
(DIR) Post #ALIO7vvEhNuFbgyYIy by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T22:32:03.295810Z
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@allison @coyote @iska Same thing goes for PSP and ME
(DIR) Post #ALIOB9PF1R9MINXpCa by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-08T22:32:37.226606Z
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@dushman @iska @coyote I'd put those on a different level of badness imo
(DIR) Post #ALIOBEuGZVwDM36Akq by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T22:32:39.080040Z
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@allison @iska @coyote Don't they have equivalents of the same thing?
(DIR) Post #ALIOH2uO5pwNsfvLvM by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T22:33:41.849555Z
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@allison @iska @coyote Seems similar to pluton at least, unless there's a verifiable way to completely kill your pluton chip.
(DIR) Post #ALIOSJUKn3QyUI6urQ by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T22:35:44.251751Z
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@allison @iska @coyote Both seem like glorified backdoors
(DIR) Post #ALIOen86PTY1tTf5fM by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-08T22:37:56.438099Z
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@dushman @iska @coyote Not really, they perform different functions, and most ME/PSP functionality never gets exercised in non-enterprise deployments which is emphatically not the case for Pluton (particularly, ME and such afaik had no involvement with signing boot chains and much less in the way of "anti tampering measures")
(DIR) Post #ALIOxiebH7WFVwt6fo by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T22:41:24.835634Z
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@allison @iska @coyote Pluton talks to Microsoft servers still so I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole
(DIR) Post #ALIP6MTT6j63Kdnmjo by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T22:42:58.533054Z
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@allison @coyote @iska They specifically advertise it as "chip to cloud security"
(DIR) Post #ALIPB2tjJsPs44Jqvw by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T22:43:49.179328Z
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@allison @iska @coyote On that topic, I really hope RISC V will catch up. Only truly free architecture that's at least somewhat relevant.
(DIR) Post #ALIR66PV26URQ0wwgy by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-08T23:05:19Z
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@dushman @allison @coyote SPARC is free and arguably better but noone cares for some reason...
(DIR) Post #ALIRB9QjEUS6ESvqYy by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:06:14.936021Z
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@iska @allison @coyote It is? I thought Sun had exclusive rights to it. Nice.
(DIR) Post #ALIRIZv78q58Pugbmy by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:07:35.618594Z
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@iska @allison @coyote Well Oracle now
(DIR) Post #ALIRJNvtCEPXWnQvwG by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-08T23:07:43Z
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@dushman @allison @coyote it was for a while, sun died.
(DIR) Post #ALIRONCDMY4WguRpmi by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:08:38.288808Z
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@iska @allison @coyote Yeah but Oracle didn't inherit those rights?
(DIR) Post #ALIRUiR1JIQeIdOhvM by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-08T23:09:45Z
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@dushman @allison @coyote I think oracle open sourced it to make itself look cool idk
(DIR) Post #ALIRbkqyiSFxpOtauu by idiot@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:11:03.392591Z
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@allison Not for lack of trying, all of the official documentation/customer support shit (w.r.t. the Qualcomm one) says otherwise. If it wasn't for casually perusing this thread I would've believed them to.
(DIR) Post #ALIRycbPYkM4tkWBWK by idiot@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:15:11.232143Z
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@allison @iska @coyote @dushman >M1 (at least) Macs all don't come with coprocessors and the M1 Secure Enclave isn't any more exploitable than a regular TPM>Absolutely no upgradability or repairability, if an engineer's oopsie sends 16V to your NAND chips, your computer is dead>And they've done that before so they'll do it again
(DIR) Post #ALIS63F0upMDXmaJ72 by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:16:32.021279Z
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@idiot @allison @coyote @iska I hate modern laptops where they solder literally everything seemingly possible to the board
(DIR) Post #ALIS7HxHh7vZT5sjfU by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-07-08T23:16:45.432332Z
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@dushman @allison @iska was linux support added after the fact
(DIR) Post #ALISAODCt8kNk4oA8u by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:17:19.051942Z
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@coyote @allison @iska Consumer AMD CPUs had Linux certification for ages
(DIR) Post #ALISErq6fzS4mw8djU by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:18:06.698384Z
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@coyote @allison @iska All of them
(DIR) Post #ALISIiByUEMM1gCSrQ by idiot@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:18:49.362260Z
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@dushman @allison @coyote @iska Theoretically, it's to improve efficiency and power draw. But let's not pretend like the multitrillion-with-a-t dollar multinational corporation is prioritizing that over repeat sales.
(DIR) Post #ALISLl7w20QdzslPIu by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:19:22.226232Z
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@coyote @allison @iska Well for Ubuntu and Rhel but that means they work perfectly on any distro anyway
(DIR) Post #ALISPLA4Vq2wcnTFSK by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-07-08T23:19:58.634068Z
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@dushman (oops accidental boost)
(DIR) Post #ALISPO5vbhVxioYTui by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:20:01.742905Z
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@idiot @allison @coyote @iska I'd rather have a thick slab with less power efficiency if everything was slotted
(DIR) Post #ALISRbBJvAEMtD8Dq4 by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:20:24.051067Z
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@idiot @allison @coyote @iska And a mechanical keyboard, I fucking love them.
(DIR) Post #ALISauzbdKIWwG61pI by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:22:06.758111Z
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@idiot @allison @coyote @iska Old school laptops are genuinely better in every single way design wise if you ask me
(DIR) Post #ALIShs32ym8vpk1MWm by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:23:22.114282Z
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@idiot @allison @coyote @iska Also modern ultra thin laptops have absolutely horrible keyboards that offer a non ideal typing experience to put it mildly
(DIR) Post #ALISmL8ykCTbELvVjM by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-08T23:24:09Z
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@dushman @allison @coyote @idiot and business laptopsonly flaw with mine is that it came with geforce 8400.
(DIR) Post #ALISt7e1KgrbOFgEQS by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:25:23.985094Z
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@iska @allison @coyote @idiot Just disable it in BIOS and use the igpu. Not like you're gonna gsme or do any kind of modeling and such on a machine like that.
(DIR) Post #ALISteN9ePyqtV2jDc by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:25:29.860853Z
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@iska @allison @coyote @idiot game*
(DIR) Post #ALIStrdaKdqc2DpX8K by straw@plma.plus.st
2022-07-08T23:23:13.756565Z
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@dushman @allison @iska @coyote @idiot also no detachable battery and few ports
(DIR) Post #ALISuFGiTJobKFJbou by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:25:36.322652Z
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@straw @allison @iska @coyote @idiot True
(DIR) Post #ALISvmmZM0k3YXwt9s by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-08T23:25:51Z
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@straw @dushman @coyote @allison @idiot also cooling that makes it feel slow after a year (esp with winbloats preinstalled)
(DIR) Post #ALISvp4ipUS0fQSPjM by a7@miss.mouse.services
2022-07-08T23:25:50.807Z
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@dushman@shitposter.club @coyote@pl.lain.sh @allison@hidamari.apartments @iska@mstdn.starnix.network isn’t processor support something that would be added to the kernel?
(DIR) Post #ALIT29KCSFkdCwiJHM by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:27:01.763422Z
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@a7 @coyote @iska @allison Yeah it is.
(DIR) Post #ALIT3hkPxNlSG3ibTM by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:27:18.925383Z
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@a7 @coyote @iska @allison And AMD has collaborated with the devs on that
(DIR) Post #ALIT6AgTLKWCa83744 by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-08T23:27:44Z
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@dushman @allison @coyote @idiot (on linux) It always boots into igpu anyway, but I still have dead weight of a shitty dead gpu.
(DIR) Post #ALIT6LZQrqQILTq97Q by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-07-08T23:27:47.483230Z
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@a7 @iska @dushman @allison I think, I may be wrong, but AMD works on that before it ships
(DIR) Post #ALIT8VKVYO6bBzt7Sa by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:28:10.949639Z
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@iska @allison @coyote @idiot If it's slotted, just remove it.
(DIR) Post #ALITDe6iLXcFrat6kS by a7@miss.mouse.services
2022-07-08T23:29:06.413Z
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@coyote@pl.lain.sh @iska@mstdn.starnix.network @dushman@shitposter.club @allison@hidamari.apartments ah, alright, I think back around when it was released I remember reading some article about commits.. But true that for marketing purposes and adoption purposes would make sense to hand out code.
(DIR) Post #ALITE536B5lbQCP6MS by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-08T23:29:09Z
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@dushman @allison @coyote @idiot I CANT EVEN GET TO THE FANS
(DIR) Post #ALITPPqJCwFL66pJWi by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:31:13.880392Z
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@iska @allison @coyote @idiot Damn
(DIR) Post #ALITv9PPqM5NObNcps by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:36:58.444395Z
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@iska @straw @coyote @allison @idiot Plus a lot of laptops come with subpar thermal paste from the factory
(DIR) Post #ALITzvjA8dl8PYtZi4 by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:37:50.078865Z
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@iska @allison @coyote @idiot @straw I'm using Arctic mx4 on everything, would recommend.
(DIR) Post #ALIU6e6y25yrnrESZM by idiot@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:39:02.789329Z
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@dushman @allison @coyote @iska @straw I heard it's not so good on laptops because it tends to separate as it ages and the liquid half of the paste gets everywhere. That's just hearsay from le reddit, take it with a grain of salt, and I wouldn't know what to recommend for laptops instead.
(DIR) Post #ALIUDA4o6GIog9KRI8 by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:40:13.568203Z
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@idiot @allison @coyote @iska @straw I used it to repaste an old laptop and it seems to be doing fine so far
(DIR) Post #ALIUe8CPBjqyftk7Ga by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:45:06.213696Z
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@idiot @allison @coyote @iska @straw No thermal paste is gonna be good if you keep it on for like 4+ years
(DIR) Post #ALIUs4b5NQy9Ydw1gm by m0xee@social.librem.one
2022-07-08T23:44:58Z
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@idiot @allison @iska @coyote @dushman Do Apple's customers really need upgradability and repairability in 2022? In 99% the laptop will die in 5 years anyway and get replaced with the new one, so why bother?There is System 76, Purism, Pine64 and the Spanish whats-its-name laptop maker… Hell, even HP sells models like Dev OneThere are literally dozens of options, but people still want to buy hardware from companies with bad reputation, expect it to be open and whine about it? I don't get it!
(DIR) Post #ALIUs58PNXclDzWdd2 by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:47:36.933015Z
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@m0xee @idiot @allison @iska @coyote I'm pretty sure no one in this thread is a mac user. As for regular people, they don't know any better obviously.
(DIR) Post #ALIV6vOrqzRDNSIm0m by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-08T23:50:18.288949Z
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@m0xee @allison @coyote @idiot @iska And/or just don't care
(DIR) Post #ALIb1XxWBAvIx9KOjg by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-09T00:56:32.400236Z
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@idiot I think the main stumbling block is bootloader/device tree stuff tbh, Qualcomm stuff is all pretty well supported in kernel because their corporate sponsors (Google etc.) demand it to be.
(DIR) Post #ALJRT07InC03iaJhh2 by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-09T10:44:09.958579Z
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@dushman @allison @iska @coyote @idiot I disabled my Nvidia 4000 or whatever it is. Wayland 💓
(DIR) Post #ALJcP4VfcGvNgF2mI4 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2022-07-09T12:46:42.642480Z
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@iska x86 was over decades ago. It's all AMD64 now (intel implements AMD64 as well).
(DIR) Post #ALJcwh7f4laezYqXq4 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2022-07-09T12:52:47.028141Z
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@a7 >isn’t processor support something that would be added to the kernel?Linux has generic drivers for x86 and AMD64 out of the box, so you can use really old version of Linux on modern AMD64 hardware and it will work.Newer processors generally have newer power management+temperature sensor hardware+new backdoors, which requires an updated or a new driver in Linux to interface with.AMD generally starts working on drivers before the hardware ships, but generally doesn't get around to getting it working properly until a while after the release.
(DIR) Post #ALJdJXpDoFnSoi7KKG by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2022-07-09T12:56:54.738881Z
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@dushman >I really hope RISC V will catch up. Only truly free architecture that's at least somewhat relevant. So far things aren't looking good.The standard practice for RISC-V implementations seems to add extensions to the base design, patent the extensions and make the modified design proprietary.Companies have also started to patent ways to make fast RISC-V implementations (as we can't have progress can we).Hopefully work will be completed to free faster that current FGPA's, so a performant entirely free hardware design can be ran on a FPGA.
(DIR) Post #ALJdL5evV8bS2a2Sbg by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2022-07-09T12:57:12.527705Z
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@dushman >I really hope RISC V will catch up. Only truly free architecture that's at least somewhat relevant. So far things aren't looking good.The standard practice for RISC-V implementations seems to add extensions to the base design, patent the extensions and make the modified design proprietary.Companies have also started to patent ways to make fast RISC-V implementations (as we can't have progress can we).Hopefully work will be completed to free faster FGPA's, so a performant entirely free hardware design can be ran on a FPGA.
(DIR) Post #ALJdbxEW58zapZj8fA by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-09T13:00:12.137485Z
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@m0xee @idiot @iska @coyote @dushman Sure they do. At least to the extent of like, being able to replace SSDs if they fail (which sure, I can buy the performance arguments for soldered RAM, but there's no justification for the SSD thing besides extorting customers)
(DIR) Post #ALJdu8V8vSw4zVApXs by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-09T13:03:31Z
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@Suiseiseki amd64 is just a superset of x86, it boots into real mode too...
(DIR) Post #ALJeFR1jF9K2WoZUbA by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-09T13:07:22.267207Z
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@iska @Suiseiseki Depends on the hardware actually, some x86 iron never touches real mode outside of the firmware (afaik SGI's ARC workstations were like this and UEFI non-CSM is also like this)
(DIR) Post #ALJeOWYU3h32HRE6Jk by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-09T13:09:01Z
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@allison @Suiseiseki I mean that it still boots into real mode at first.
(DIR) Post #ALJfPYiXbZ9rEJzJYm by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2022-07-09T13:20:24.812447Z
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@iska AMD64 implements x86 as part of a compatibility mode, rather than being a superset of x86.I believe there's a good chance that there's no hardware specifically for handling 32bit instructions anymore - "real mode" probably has all instructions turned into micro-ops by microcode.
(DIR) Post #ALJfYzlcP8DTjGvX4i by m0xee@social.librem.one
2022-07-09T13:15:42Z
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@allison @iska @coyote @dushman @idiot You can see a good example of such a justification on the attached image 😂The absolute most of Apple's customers don't have a slightest clue about thermal design. They will buy storage options that overheat A LOT and it is a huge issue with the tight cases we have nowadays.This was a non-issue ten years ago and they were user-replaceable at the time. When they started the MacBook Air line and later MBP Retina the all-glued-in approach came up.
(DIR) Post #ALJfZ0CYmxld4pX34K by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-09T13:22:05.754539Z
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@m0xee @iska @coyote @dushman @idiot I'm talking about on desktops (mainly the 2020 Mini comes to mind here as an example of hardware that is effectively blacklisted for me due to this which would otherwise be damn near ideal for my purposes)
(DIR) Post #ALJft6XCx6dQVgm8Ey by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-09T13:25:45Z
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@Suiseiseki amd64 CPUs can boot into MS-DOS just fine, problem is some drivers, many of which also keep linux-libre from being used.
(DIR) Post #ALJijusVDn65c92vL6 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2022-07-09T13:57:06Z
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@allison @iska @coyote @dushman @idiot I gave up on Apple and stopped keeping track on the new models, so I can only speculate why they did this. It might be easier for them to follow the same hardware design principle everywhere and since it's soldered-in on the laptops, it's the same on the Mini. It might also be more efficient supply chain wise to use similar parts in desktops 🤷
(DIR) Post #ALJisJ0dO0ZolwqlCy by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-09T13:59:12.919309Z
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@m0xee @iska @coyote @dushman @idiot Probably. Either way, I'll just keep doing the Optiplex secret strat until I can no longer get away with it, then, idk, retire to a monastery or something
(DIR) Post #ALJqyaGIx9Y5eSgUaW by m0xee@social.librem.one
2022-07-09T14:50:49Z
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@allison Why Apple then, still like the OS (OS X? macOS? Whatever it is called now)?There is a wide selection of PCs on the market in the vein of Mac Mini. System76 has it, Purism has it, a few lesser-known brands have them, ARM-based too.Some can accommodate both SATA and M2 drives at the same time, up to 64 gigs of RAM, newest CPUs — you can't have a decent GPU in it, but otherwise a real powerhouse in a small box!
(DIR) Post #ALJqyjsvAwmnUpoxWq by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-09T15:29:53.723883Z
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@m0xee Yeah, software reasons. Also I don't think any other ARM64 computers are capable of driving a 144hz monitor in any sort of performant way
(DIR) Post #ALJsoCakItJzFgQHOy by a7@miss.mouse.services
2022-07-09T15:50:33.292Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com yes these are things I realize, was saying what I said because the listing of support by distro
(DIR) Post #ALJsyXKc34HsTGnwkS by a7@miss.mouse.services
2022-07-09T15:52:25.042Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com or we’ll first half knew, second half assumed
(DIR) Post #ALJuJze04s60JhfUIa by m0xee@social.librem.one
2022-07-09T15:57:57Z
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@allison Yes, you are most probably right!I am a man of the last decade in this regard. It did matter in the CRT days, but not anymore, not for me. I know there are nice things like HDR, HiDPI and way higher refresh rates, but I'm still perfectly fine with my two 30" Cinema Displays 😄
(DIR) Post #ALJuU17vQ61JoLReeu by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-09T16:09:17.481589Z
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@m0xee I'd probably just use CRTs if they didn't give me eye problems, but since they do, I seek the lowest input latency I can afford. High refresh rates help with that.
(DIR) Post #ALK1N6DSnaoDFOgSzw by m0xee@social.librem.one
2022-07-09T16:52:09Z
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@allison Yes, CRTs=eyestrain. Even IPS-panels are a bit hard on the eyes IMO. I turn off the second display when I don't need it.Now I see, your demands are pretty specific. The solutions to save you from the monastery should already be on their way though. I mean even midrange phones have 120 Hz now. ARM-based desktops and laptops will follow suit soon enough as mainstream moves away from Intel.
(DIR) Post #ALMtzCkCw9GaNByFJw by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-11T02:47:50.880217Z
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@iska @dushman @coyote Late, but this has been true for quite a while. SPARC was a royalty free standard going all the way back to the 1990s (I actually have the implementation reference for V9 dated to 1995 and credited to SPARC International), and while only a few vendors really took up on it outside of Sun/Oracle themselves (Fujitsu, MCST and Gaisler Research come to mind), there are some *very* good reasons for it (asm weirdness, Sun influence (remember, Sun was fairly litigious while it was still alive), and ARM and MIPS eating out the low end with MIPS in particular absolutely dominating most of the spaces a putatively open SPARC would have shined, at least until x86 just ate everyone's lunch)
(DIR) Post #ALMxBTtpHQFIus10Vc by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-11T03:23:42.711559Z
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@allison @m0xee
(DIR) Post #ALMxSJEoAllIlyqzWC by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-11T03:26:45.485759Z
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@allison @m0xee I mean even my phone would be capable of driving a 144hz monitor without lag. It has a 1.8 TFLOP GPU. The display is only 90hz tho.
(DIR) Post #ALMxYY0KBV7oJ83OAi by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-11T03:27:52.856882Z
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@allison @m0xee Unless you're talking about gaming, you don't need a very powerful GPU to drive a 144hz monitor.
(DIR) Post #ALMxbRfID5FpW1b8Nc by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-11T03:28:24.525529Z
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@allison @m0xee My phone is more powerful than an Xbox one or PS4 in every way though.
(DIR) Post #ALMxfXzGe89eHWtfmK by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-11T03:29:03.697933Z
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@dushman @m0xee I am indeed talking about gaming. Not the heaviest use, but in general, I do need something fairly powerful to the extent that, for example, most Intel iGPUs simply don't cut it.
(DIR) Post #ALMxnRy8uCP7vw8h3Q by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-11T03:30:34.737154Z
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@allison @m0xee I mean who gets an igpu for modern games anyway?
(DIR) Post #ALMxum10lwSS8IyOYa by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-07-11T03:31:51.269355Z
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@dushman @m0xee I've actually done it before, it was actually pretty serviceable at the time
(DIR) Post #ALMyCfZPTRvDM8b1do by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-11T03:35:08.183836Z
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@allison @m0xee Depends on what you play. I have a 6.4 TFLOP GPU on desktop but mostly play old shit anyways.
(DIR) Post #ALNEUAeokCXHxdUc6K by m0xee@social.librem.one
2022-07-11T06:33:52Z
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@dushman @allison Phones are getting too powerful. The cheap Chinese device I've got myself this year for two hundred bucks can build mesa in a couple of minutes. This is crazy! Who needs all this computing power? And it's even got 120 Hz!At least it can make it through 6 days on a single charge which is very good!
(DIR) Post #ALNEUHNLlXisnUNGLY by m0xee@social.librem.one
2022-07-11T06:36:45Z
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@dushman @allison I don't think it's on par with the game consoles though. Because even with all the quirks you can't make the heat dissipation efficient enough.The laptops also have these nice 8 core CPUs, but still get throttled under continuous workload in half an hour or so.
(DIR) Post #ALNF9Ss7vYI0KFPOGO by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-11T06:45:02.543246Z
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@m0xee @allison I mean not under sustained load cuz overheating, but for shorter periods of time it's absolutely better than a ps4/xbo.
(DIR) Post #ALNFPPjTMs0tDnxwa8 by dushman@shitposter.club
2022-07-11T06:47:55.524455Z
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@m0xee @allison >The laptops also have these nice 8 core CPUs, but still get throttled under continuous workload in half an hour or so.Yeah true, unless you have one of the chonkier gaming ones.
(DIR) Post #ALNPCQT6JryZHUkmbw by m0xee@social.librem.one
2022-07-11T08:37:35Z
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@iska @dushman @allison @coyote I think OpenSPARC happened before the Oracle acquisition.There is also OpenPOWER with very liberal licensing, but no one seems to care.
(DIR) Post #ALNV609zoqQzfw8Zf6 by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2022-07-11T09:26:46.828988Z
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Simple reason, time and cost.It just doesn't makes sense to put resources in a effort which requires a lot of research, equipment and money to make a product that's only a few people are demanding.Like it's not just about the hardware, there's almost no software on those platforms what would increase the demand even by a bit.
(DIR) Post #ALNV60gFsuErHzEKwa by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-11T09:43:40Z
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@colinsmatt11 @allison @coyote @dushman @m0xee RISC-V runs even less stuff... To me gcc and linux support are enough support; don't care about nonfree software, let it burn.
(DIR) Post #ALNV7j2wQ1MvB2ex1M by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-11T09:43:59Z
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@colinsmatt11 @allison @coyote @dushman @m0xee RISC-V runs even less stuff... To me gcc and linux support are enough; don't care about nonfree software, let it burn.
(DIR) Post #ALNVOOcRcWYgkIDOHA by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2022-07-11T09:45:50.909001Z
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RISC-V is only popular because they targeted IoT and microcomputers instead of consumer stuff.Everything was setup to make sure it getting interest from venture capital.
(DIR) Post #ALNVOP5rr85uDXyt8a by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-11T09:46:59Z
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@colinsmatt11 @allison @coyote @dushman @m0xee microcomputersmy laptop is a microcomputer by definition
(DIR) Post #ALNWTMI7nnLmvcdn2u by m0xee@social.librem.one
2022-07-11T09:59:05Z
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@iska @colinsmatt11 @allison @coyote @dushman Nope, having a C compiler is not enough nowadays. I have a couple of PPC-boxes so I know.For example go is a very popular language and it is considered cross-platform because ARM and Intel are supported, but you can't even build reference toolchain on PowerPC. Well, you can on PPC64LE and you can even jump through several sets of hoops to build it for 32-bit PPC, but won't be able to build anything with it — third party modules aren't that portable.
(DIR) Post #ALNWZ0b1NSQhNaAp5k by m0xee@social.librem.one
2022-07-11T10:00:06Z
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@iska @colinsmatt11 @allison @coyote @dushman Rust is better, but you'll still need a Tier 1 supported system for bootstrapping, I think.