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(DIR) Post #ALGQ2JNQORVQClgiDA by binarycat@fedi.9til.de
2022-07-07T23:43:50Z
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I'll give up linux for plan9 and stick with it for a whole year (which has now ended), but i won't try wayland.honestly it just doesn't look that exciting, don't even know what it has over X (besides having an actual reasonable name)
(DIR) Post #ALGRetidp1nbsPZi3U by dredmorbius@toot.cat
2022-07-08T00:01:56Z
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@binarycat As far as the name goes, "X" was the next iteration after the "W" windowing system.(See also B -> C and S -> R.)
(DIR) Post #ALGRkPBUGKUOuch3rM by theruran@hackers.town
2022-07-08T00:02:57Z
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@binarycat I thought Wayland the compositor is not even finished yet? besides, there were supposed to be multiple implementations, but people settled on the prototype/reference implementation of the spec? please correct me if i'm wrong. it's too glitchy for me to use last time I tried it in KDE. but now a GNOME dev is hinting they will drop support for X11 in GTK 5 😱
(DIR) Post #ALGRmm2iFJocNyid5k by migratory@banana.dog
2022-07-08T00:03:27Z
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@binarycat just little things like not having graphical glitches and being able to use system-wide hotkeys while right-click menus are open
(DIR) Post #ALGSroq1NegESPkgwi by be@floss.social
2022-07-08T00:14:53Z
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@theruran @binarycat Wayland is a protocol, not a program.
(DIR) Post #ALGSrpINgDMhsN1L9M by binarycat@fedi.9til.de
2022-07-08T00:15:33Z
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@be @theruran so is X??
(DIR) Post #ALGY6bJKSMaAcMKQCm by theruran@hackers.town
2022-07-08T00:59:22Z
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@be @binarycat are you memeing? no one can remember the name of their compositor. 🙄
(DIR) Post #ALGY6bjYspZ9vibN5s by binarycat@fedi.9til.de
2022-07-08T01:14:15Z
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@theruran @be once again, X is the protocol, i'm really confused what people are going on about.
(DIR) Post #ALGYGleMrzkLa317Sq by be@floss.social
2022-07-08T01:15:41Z
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@binarycat @theruran kinda, though in practice there's one implementation of an X server that various window managers share. With Wayland there is no distinction between the window manager and server; they're one application, the compositor.
(DIR) Post #ALGa4W6x196fovflrc by robdaemon@tech.lgbt
2022-07-08T01:30:47Z
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@binarycat @be @theruran So is X11, but, while this is true, it’s a distinction without a difference for users. -10 points for being unnecessarily pedantic.
(DIR) Post #ALGa4WXXQINF9O70Iy by binarycat@fedi.9til.de
2022-07-08T01:36:17Z
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@robdaemon i asked how they were different. i was told a way in which they are the same. how am i being pedantic?and if i am being pedantic, this is a discussion about display protocols, what did you expect?
(DIR) Post #ALGaSg9DLz0DtkFjMm by vertigo@hackers.town
2022-07-08T01:34:53Z
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@theruran @binarycat besides, there were supposed to be multiple implementations, but people settled on the prototype/reference implementation of the spec? This is quite normal; if the prototype works well enough, on a wide array of systems, it will become a de facto implementation for the protocol.This is what happened to Python. There are many different implementations of it (PyPy, et. al.), but CPython remains the default that everyone judges compatibility against.
(DIR) Post #ALGaSgcdaaXRN01EEC by binarycat@fedi.9til.de
2022-07-08T01:40:39Z
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@vertigo @theruran ok so, from what i've managed to put together:* x has one dominant implementation, while wayland has severalthat's like, good i guess, but hardly a convincing reason to switch over.i guess there are like, some quality of life fixes?
(DIR) Post #ALGay88FMGstfQnUaO by robdaemon@tech.lgbt
2022-07-08T01:46:16Z
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@binarycat Look at the threading. My reply wasn't a reply to your post. The Mastodon client left everyone on the thread.
(DIR) Post #ALGb1aiTXT1FBlORlY by vertigo@hackers.town
2022-07-08T01:47:00Z
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@binarycat @theruran To be clear, I was addressing a specific point that Theruran made, for he seemed somewhat incredulous that a reference implementation would be adopted as a de facto standard; my goal wasn't to convince anyone to switch over to Wayland per se.I'm also an X11 user at the moment. For me, I'll switch only once it becomes a default for my current Linux distribution. Wayland just does not offer me any compelling features which drives me to adopt it.
(DIR) Post #ALGbBxHmTsj25Aqhvc by binarycat@fedi.9til.de
2022-07-08T01:48:51Z
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@robdaemon usually the person being replied to is mentioned first, yours seems to have added new mentions in the middle, very strange.
(DIR) Post #ALGbH8fHbLG0p1JVcu by robdaemon@tech.lgbt
2022-07-08T01:49:43Z
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@binarycat I'm using Metatext on iOS, I never noticed the order it puts the @'s. I'll try to be more aware of that going forward.
(DIR) Post #ALGbR3rcJ3XspMoXjc by alcinnz@floss.social
2022-07-08T01:51:30Z
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@binarycat @robdaemon The differences between Wayland & X are:* Wayland removes a lot of backwards-compatible cruft which isn't used in anymore in X.* In doing so Wayland is significantly simpler & faster.* Wayland runs in the window manager, not as a separate intermediary daemon.* Wayland is necessarily non-blocking, X if used wrong is blocking.Simple, understandable, & fast. Just what I like to see in software! I can't wait until elementary OS runs Wayland!
(DIR) Post #ALGbptSM8cNdmyq7AO by binarycat@fedi.9til.de
2022-07-08T01:56:02Z
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@alcinnzcool. does that provide any benefits to me as a user?speed is nice, but i feel like xorg is not the bottleneck on my system (usually it's all the firefox tabs unswapping and dragging everything to a halt)@robdaemon
(DIR) Post #ALGcFH5lOlYGKiNITg by alcinnz@floss.social
2022-07-08T02:00:23Z
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@binarycat @robdaemon Yeah, as a user: no difference. Nothing to get excited by. Though devs certainly are, for good reason!Yes, I hate the state of the web...