Post ALBRZ0bh81f5JZMESW by infev@soc.phreedom.club
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(DIR) Post #ALA6ZdJMvy3p9uHZI0 by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-04T22:35:42.847308Z
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Leftists explaining why using a permissive license and letting corporations use your code to empower the bourgeoisie is actually good:
(DIR) Post #ALA8SFsRra3oMOIfk8 by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2022-07-04T22:58:44.247013Z
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@w me when I'm explaining why Microsoft doesn't give a fuck about your GPL licensed software and will steal your code anyways
(DIR) Post #ALA8cgg54fbUNOUQnA by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-04T22:58:37.242228Z
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@nyx Unless you don't allow corporations to privately use or hos- Oops! Stallman says that isn't freedom! I can't say that!
(DIR) Post #ALB8PLH7X1ZlOIPYn2 by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T10:32:47Z
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@nyx @w It puts heavy pressure on them tho
(DIR) Post #ALB9OaqWFn0DLdAwca by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2022-07-05T10:43:59.159334Z
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@iska @w it puts pressure on them to co-opt a project if it's notable enough that they care and will receive scrutiny and an actual legal threat if they just steal the code, as has happened with Linux
(DIR) Post #ALBBwIPJVz9nuneHk8 by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T11:12:29Z
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@w @nyx uses cool packagestarts a businessuses it at workturns out I can'tget suedgo bankrupt
(DIR) Post #ALBC3ZWKHrk719Okmu by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T11:11:48.832439Z
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@iska @nyx Just read the license.
(DIR) Post #ALBCFj9MJJNuMGS3fc by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T11:15:53Z
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@w @nyx it still fucking sucks I'm not able to use a favourite tool at work because some neckbeard said it's illegal.What's the point of works if humanity can't benefit from it?
(DIR) Post #ALBCMi06yuGioySHs8 by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T11:15:18.581829Z
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@iska @nyx Kill your boss.
(DIR) Post #ALBCRbq1K0pP9i4WLg by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T11:18:09Z
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@w @nyx I'm the boss, but you want some lawyers to boss me around.
(DIR) Post #ALBCeje7bQyV8WlVoW by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T11:20:31Z
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@nyx @w send again in readable form, I have no clue what you're saying.
(DIR) Post #ALBChTZNpaCC93r81w by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T11:19:03.581684Z
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@iska @nyx Just don't use my package at work, or advocate for worker ownership.
(DIR) Post #ALBCpMPiJw14Gg5oLg by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T11:22:26Z
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@w @nyx ??? what does worker ownership have to do with that.Also, noncom software isn't even open source.
(DIR) Post #ALBCvPeDD5Qq2ElBVg by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T11:22:23.513600Z
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I think it’s more of a warranty by the libre software dev themself that they won’t just fuck over their users and a way to show support for the libre software movement. Certainly if a libre software dev fucks up they will be raped in the ass.Now, still, the pressure of GPL on corporations is definitely stronger than on the state, say. I don’t think we should necessarily abandon it just because it “isn’t effective enough.” Who said libre software is effective enough? People can’t even get enough cash from it to support themselves. Libre software isn’t revolutionary and shouldn’t be treated as such, that’s just utopian. Treat it as a tool.Everything that might help us in applying pressure on the current system is good. And I mean EVERYTHING. YES, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING THAT MAKES THEM BLEED.@w @iska
(DIR) Post #ALBCvQ31ipHVHCN0Bk by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T11:23:31Z
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@cyberspook @nyx @w libre software is just software that doesn't suck
(DIR) Post #ALBDmoVVVso6U39U7k by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T11:25:24.837069Z
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Worker co-op. They suggest transforming the private company into a worker co-op.@w @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBDmox9r4vPro5ZDs by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T11:33:10Z
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@cyberspook @w @nyx eeh? What does that have to do with anything...
(DIR) Post #ALBE06wcH869QkAlmK by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T11:33:35.752146Z
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@iska @cyberspook @nyx I'm suggesting that you should advocate for becoming a worker coop so you can use my free labour.
(DIR) Post #ALBE26mdqPnXViSYRk by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2022-07-05T11:35:57.606812Z
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@iska @w
(DIR) Post #ALBE9CqPi0FuKpbmPg by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T11:35:16.898325Z
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@iska @nyx >noncom software isn't even open sourceDon't care. Stallman's definition of free software is flawed, and open source is that plus more corporate bootlicking.
(DIR) Post #ALBEM2rK93x98A9kLQ by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T11:39:33Z
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@w @nyx How is it flawed?You're saying that people can't benefit from other's work? That freedom doesn't matter if it's for profit?
(DIR) Post #ALBEPGbdUUEydQM2eu by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T11:40:08Z
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@w @nyx just don't use my packageHammers are banned, just don't use them lol
(DIR) Post #ALBEPkEzJFwwXrzNWS by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T11:40:14Z
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@nyx @w kat
(DIR) Post #ALBEZXN80g87WtSwz2 by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T11:42:00Z
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@w @nyx How is it flawed?You're saying that people can't benefit from other's work? That freedom doesn't matter if it's for profit? That we shouldn't do something with a slight chance of big tech taking advantage of it?
(DIR) Post #ALBEiWrtFihEZb8slM by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T11:41:39.793126Z
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@iska @nyx > How is it flawed?Open Sauce/Free Schoftware is a farm of free labour for capitalists. Capitalism should be rejected. Especially when corporations take from us for nothing in return, and spit in our faces whenever they get the chance. Stallman having a monopoly on what is considered free is cultism.> You're saying that people can't benefit from other's work? > That freedom doesn't matter if it's for profit?Freedom doesn't matter for the capitalists, because it isn't freedom. It's oppression. I'd rather not feed them.> That we shouldn't do something with a slight chance of big tech taking advantage of it?Don't use my code in a non-worker owned company. That isn't not-doing-something-with-a-slight-chance.
(DIR) Post #ALBEv4fjOdFCtBR9pA by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T11:44:52.071261Z
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Uhhhh, that approach doesn't have much support and kinda suffocates the movement, not to mention that it creates conflicts with other licenses. So you either jump on the bandwagon or remain alone and contribute nothing to the larger community. Your choice. You are always free to choose. I've made my choice.It's all about long-term planning rather than principles. No principles are sacred and shall be compromized if they don't serve me. If anarchy does not serve me, it will also be compromized. It certainly doesn't serve n1x, she NRx.@nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBEv59Vbv40NXMwEq by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2022-07-05T11:45:52.243981Z
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@cyberspook @w I'm not necessarily NRx I just think it has some useful ideas. suya
(DIR) Post #ALBF2UOc9asOhIxz0a by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T11:45:49.209042Z
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Uhhhh, that approach doesn't have much support and kinda suffocates the movement, not to mention that it creates conflicts with other licenses. So you either jump on the bandwagon or remain alone and contribute nothing to the larger community. Your choice. You are always free to choose. I've made my choice.It's all about long-term planning rather than principles. No principles are sacred and shall be compromized if they don't serve me. If anarchy does not serve me, it will also be compromized. It certainly doesn't serve n1x, she's NRx.@nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBF2UkErCApmN5FiK by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2022-07-05T11:47:13.889444Z
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@cyberspook @w >_> thread broke. I'm not necessarily NRx I just think it has some useful ideas. anyway time for suya
(DIR) Post #ALBFicBpZCeh234eie by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T11:54:49Z
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@w @nyx Free software means that YOU are free to use it, if you don't want it in "capitalists" hands, just don't share with them.If you share with everyone then cry because companies use it, you're a huge pussy.capitalism should be rejectedno comment.You're oppressing people to "stop oppression"
(DIR) Post #ALBFxSkMxQvm5aJEHY by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T11:46:58.765002Z
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It's the best we have, Welt.@iska @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBFxTFv48ATfR4QSW by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T11:55:33.352467Z
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@cyberspook @iska @nyx> WeltNo caps when you spell the man name.> It's the best we haveWe can do better.
(DIR) Post #ALBGXhr8GAT7NFkrHk by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T12:04:04Z
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@w @nyx Free software means that YOU are free to use it, if you don't want it in "capitalists" hands, just don't share with them.If you share with everyone then cry because companies use it, you're a huge pussy.capitalism should be rejectedno comment.Freedom doesn't matter for the capitalists, because it isn't freedom. It's oppression.You're oppressing people to "stop oppression".Don't use my code in a non-worker owned company.What even counts as one? Are you gonna count pinball tables to see if I'm commie enough? Isn't it oppression too?You also need someone to check if something is "woker owned", which opens loopholes and corruption.
(DIR) Post #ALBGcsCTEBfwu6CPyK by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T12:05:00Z
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@w @nyx Free software means that YOU are free to use, modify and share it, if you don't want it in "capitalists" hands, just don't share with them.If you share with everyone then cry because companies use it, you're a huge pussy.capitalism should be rejectedno comment.Freedom doesn't matter for the capitalists, because it isn't freedom. It's oppression.You're oppressing people to "stop oppression".Don't use my code in a non-worker owned company.What even counts as one? Are you gonna count pinball tables to see if I'm commie enough? Isn't it oppression too?You also need someone to check if something is "woker owned", which opens loopholes and corruption.
(DIR) Post #ALBH1Zjj0oyAsaX5rU by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T12:08:19.019095Z
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We can do better.I prefer pragmatism over wishful thinking. Show me any reason to believe that it will succeed. Because I don’t see any. I don’t see any reason. Libre software is already having a hard time succeeding. You will only make the situation worse. And for what? What is the point?Overfocusing on one aspect of resistance will achieve nothing. Overfocusing on syndicalism/agorism/illegalism/whateverism will achieve nothing. Overfocusing on one aspect of software development will achieve nothing. Just look at Mastodon. It is copyleft. Not like it matters, Mastodon is still cancer. There are many other aspects of software that need focus. Like decentralization. Cryptography. Peer-to-peer networks. Anonymity, etc., etc. There are so many problems that the license will just not solve. And yet you want to isolate yourself from the rest of the libre software movement. I say it’s a suicide.@iska @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBHgWYVk9d2t3oUNs by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T12:14:54.889127Z
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@iska @nyx > If you share with everyone then cry because companies use it, you're a huge pussy.This is why I want to normalise non-commercial licenses.> You're oppressing people to "stop oppression".Companies aren't people. They deserve to be oppressed, because they are oppressors in and of itself. I don't care if normal people use my software.> What even counts as one? Are you gonna count pinball tables to see if I'm commie enough? Isn't it oppression too?> You also need someone to check if something is "woker owned", which opens loopholes and corruption.Worker co-ops I'd consider worker-owned. That has a very specific legal definition.
(DIR) Post #ALBId2eIZxx7DcQL68 by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T12:25:29.536366Z
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@cyberspook @iska @nyx > I prefer pragmatism over wishful thinking. Show me any reason to believe that it will succeed. Because I don’t see any. I don’t see any reason. Libre software is already having a hard time succeeding. You will only make the situation worse. And for what? What is the point?> Overfocusing on one aspect of resistance will achieve nothing. Overfocusing on syndicalism/agorism/illegalism/whateverism will achieve nothing. Overfocusing on one aspect of software development will achieve nothing. Just look at Mastodon. It is copyleft. Not like it matters, Mastodon is still cancer. There are many other aspects of software that need focus. Like decentralization. Cryptography. Peer-to-peer networks. Anonymity, etc., etc. There are so many problems that the license will just not solve. And yet you want to isolate yourself from the rest of the libre software movement. I say it’s a suicide.Worst-case scenario I'll keep using the AGPL (or my dream license if I ever get that written[0]) and do things as I usually do. > Show me any reason to believe that it will succeed.There is already a lot of people moving to licenses that reject this kind of thing, just under a less cohesive movement.> Libre software is already having a hard time succeeding. You will only make the situation worse.Then maybe Stallmanists need to stop giving ammunition to the companies trying to destroy them.[0] https://welt.spiderden.net/2022/05/15/dream-license/
(DIR) Post #ALBJyNcrslwuJSUejA by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T12:41:19.113171Z
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Ah, so you are against the requirement to release the source code. That’s an OSI-esque position too. I would say this: releasing the source code is a guarantee to the users that you’re trustworthy and also allows easier porting, modding and polishing. I consider it a desirable thing. Stallman’s argument is more about closed-source software leading to power abuses like DRM rather than closed-source software by itself restricting you somehow. That would be a silly argument, both anarchy and libre software are about the long-term consequences rather than the immediate.@iska @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBKGCe9RSXzTQamdk by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T12:43:46.441205Z
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@cyberspook @iska @nyx I never said that.
(DIR) Post #ALBKJbMjzczd0X4MIS by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T12:46:20Z
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@w @nyx This is why I want to normalise non-commercial licenses.noncom licenses oppress normal people too.Also, when I talked about running a business I was mostly referring to a self-run one.Reminding that GNU/Linux dominates because GLAMP is very commercially viable.What did your dogma achieve?companies aren't peopleThey're run by people.I don't care if normal people use my software.Just don't write or share the software then.Worker co-ops I'd consider worker-owned.Why would I complicate business?I make pie, my workers give material, advertise and deliver pie. It's simple, and everyone benefits; no need for commie BS.
(DIR) Post #ALBKu7ogoqZw4pYeBM by hayley@social.xenofem.me
2022-07-05T12:51:35.841536Z
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@cyberspook @w @iska @nyx I guess this comment is about this paragraph:> This is not the (A)GPL. Not only is it ideologically against what I’m going for, but it doesn’t allow you to release binary-only versions. I don’t care about what Stallman decided is free, I care about freedom from copyright.Why is allowing for binary-only distribution desirable? Sure, one is free from copyright with those rules, but the result still does not appear desirable. Reverse engineering wastes time in the grand scheme of things, even if it is legal.
(DIR) Post #ALBKu8FzBMPfRUKRjE by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T12:52:56Z
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@hayley @w @nyx @cyberspook "free from copyright"uses copyright
(DIR) Post #ALBL1ypw5dwUXit1Em by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2022-07-05T12:54:10.850645Z
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The only thing free from copyright is public domain.
(DIR) Post #ALBL5mmCs5BcIUxNBo by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T12:55:02Z
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@colinsmatt11 @w @hayley @nyx @cyberspook She's too obsessed with communism for that :cirno_shrug:
(DIR) Post #ALBLOwYSjw567tfAhc by hayley@social.xenofem.me
2022-07-05T12:56:37.337759Z
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@iska @w @nyx @cyberspook It's all a hack to make copyright play itself (c.f. Kleiner's Telekommunist Manifesto). As copyright is automatic in many countries, you have to interact with the system in some way to rid yourself of copyright.(As long as one doesn't suggest to release with no license, and suggest that everyone should steal your code basically, I have no issue with having to interact with copyright to reverse one's "rights." Yes, that does happen.)
(DIR) Post #ALBLOwvrKwnRISbrAe by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T12:58:27Z
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@hayley @w @nyx @cyberspook I'm talking about noncom licenses. If there was no copyright everything will be copyleft without the BY clause.
(DIR) Post #ALBLaZqT01t9AWdEMi by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T13:00:12.008010Z
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Iska, you're being anti-communist again.@colinsmatt11 @w @hayley @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBLaaMj45h0mZizeC by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T13:00:36Z
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@cyberspook @hayley @w @colinsmatt11 @nyx :YESChad:
(DIR) Post #ALBLzoIYOtenEXnkHY by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T13:03:13.269627Z
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@cyberspook @iska @nyx (Actually re-reading that I misinterpreted what you wrote, my bad.)Copyright gay, but so is corporations. It manages to not only scare them off but nullify copyright.
(DIR) Post #ALBMhkbtTRgEXLnec4 by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T13:11:09.752074Z
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@iska @nyx > noncom licenses oppress normal people too.They oppress corporations. Corporations are not people.> Also, when I talked about running a business I was mostly referring to a self-run one.Cool! Register it as a co-op.> Reminding that GNU/Linux dominates because GLAMP is very commercially viable.>php is shit>reduces productivity>companies use itWTF? BASED STALLMANISM?> What did your dogma achieve?Stallmanism is dogma.> Just don't write or share the software then.I don't care if normal people use my software, as in people should be free to use my software, because I don't care if they do. I don't get what your point is here anyways. Are you trying to say that releasing code as non-commercial is worse than not releasing it at all? Why does that even matter to you? Just use another piece of software.> Why would I complicate business?So you aren't oppressing people.> I make pie, my workers give material, advertise and deliver pie. It's simple, and everyone benefits; no need for commie BS.Read a book.
(DIR) Post #ALBMkiC2usKluT7bs0 by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T13:11:42.395501Z
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@iska @hayley @nyx @cyberspook Yes, nullifying copyright. That's the point.
(DIR) Post #ALBN7Zp2CqTgbjGFs0 by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T13:15:49.776259Z
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@hayley @iska @cyberspook @nyx Copyright gay. Its only good use is for abuse.
(DIR) Post #ALBOUMPGLqTpc8dP3Q by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T13:33:05Z
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@w @nyx php reduces productivityIt didn't have the legal hurdles of nonfree software; Plus people just copied scripts without caring.Stallmanism is a dogmaHow come? Stallman just preaches for computing without arbitrary rules.This also didn't answer my question. Free software did achieve a lot though ;3I don't care if normal people use my software, as in people should be free to use my software, because I don't care if they do....Unless they run a non-commie business with it.So you aren't oppressing peopleSo you want to move oppression to government instead of businesses? (which workers chose and can leave at any moment.)Read a bookAlright, what book?
(DIR) Post #ALBOVe7zwsCkrlAkFc by hayley@social.xenofem.me
2022-07-05T13:19:30.850109Z
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@w Sure, but my question was why binary-only distribution are useful. It would appear they only require more wasted time, if one has to reproduce the sources by reverse engineering binaries. @cyberspook @iska @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBOVfDht8MiFkqomu by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T13:31:23.551020Z
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@hayley @iska @cyberspook @nyx It's annoying having to include source code with everything. For the kind of stuff I write I would like to avoid it where possible. For a big project that would make a capitalist salivate I would use the AGPL or something, but for a project like murse I don't really need to care. Especially since it's mostly kids working on modding stuff using it.
(DIR) Post #ALBOmIUhdTYwh1jRuy by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T13:35:53.862223Z
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weit, private software is not the same as proprietary software, it's software with restricted access. If the source code is available for a limited number of people, it is definitely libre software to them. You are not obligated to release it. FSF and GNU Project aknowledged this.@iska @hayley @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBOqFu1DIO5oUSctM by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T13:37:03Z
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@w @cyberspook @hayley @nyx It's annoying having to include source code with everythingJust tar czf project.tgz project
(DIR) Post #ALBOxmFPM0O09m3Hvc by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T13:36:28.096150Z
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@cyberspook @iska @hayley @nyx I know this.
(DIR) Post #ALBP0tt7P3pOip7E7U by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T13:37:02.533648Z
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@iska @cyberspook @hayley @nyx Except dependencies are a thing. That can become hellish.
(DIR) Post #ALBP4JkbhczDnolQHo by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T13:37:44.187365Z
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@wI might surprise you but you may also sell your software together with the source code. You don't have to post it on GitHub/GitLab/SourceHut/whatever the fuck, it's just encouraged to do so for easy access.@hayley @iska @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBP4KCG2p6XBZhVNw by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T13:39:35Z
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@cyberspook @hayley @w @nyx Yeah, I just upload my repo folder in the same place as the project.
(DIR) Post #ALBP5FqdhMH3zK23k0 by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-05T13:37:49.708114Z
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@cyberspook @iska @hayley @nyx I also know this. I'm even working on a piece of software that I plan on selling with the AGPL. I used to be a Stallmanist, you don't need to repeat this.
(DIR) Post #ALBPFsbAToSt4ArVcO by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T13:41:41Z
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@w @cyberspook @hayley @nyx Just put in dependencies in the README.If the user's using windblows or mac'n'cheese it's his fault.
(DIR) Post #ALBPX6tsYk1ELTpX3g by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T13:43:59.687572Z
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I used to be a StallmanistYou know, you don’t have to agree with Stallman 100% to support libre software. Ideological purity is a giant spook. Stirner, like Zizek, was pretty much anti-ideology. Here’s mah boi Wolfi’s short remark on this: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/apio-ludd-burn-all-bibles@iska @hayley @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBPeZPOxpkKn28EKm by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T13:46:02.463210Z
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MacSUS.@w @hayley @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBPhqkgwEOZRqebCa by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T13:46:44Z
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@cyberspook @hayley @w @nyx Mac Single(sussy) User Station
(DIR) Post #ALBPiwUl4U3RY7ipo8 by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-05T13:46:56.558854Z
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@cyberspook @w @iska @hayley @nyx this sounds like the same shit as proprietard software.It just replaced license agreement that give you access to sources to something else, would it be just giving a USB flash drive with source code to your friend or posting the archives on private forums. I don't know how it makes it libre, open or free, or whatever.
(DIR) Post #ALBQ0xy8KYFnKh3ZAm by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T13:50:12Z
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@MischievousTomato @w @nyx I'm talking about noncommercial software.
(DIR) Post #ALBRZ0bh81f5JZMESW by infev@soc.phreedom.club
2022-07-05T14:05:22.939582Z
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@iska >it still fucking sucks I'm not able to use a favourite tool at workI haven't seen any copyleft license that makes you unable to use software. You may not be able to use its code in proprietary projects, if code, for example, licensed under gpl, but you still can use it... I think, i didn't actually read all gpl text😅@w @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBRZ1CCwGrv8oRON6 by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T14:07:32Z
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@infev @w @nyx ]I was talking about noncommercial software.
(DIR) Post #ALBReLLVRuO35DKTgG by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T14:08:31Z
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@MischievousTomato @w @nyx It's hypothetical. Thankfully I haven't seen commie software that's any good.
(DIR) Post #ALBRsjFfMfj5HPSPQ0 by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T14:11:07Z
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@MischievousTomato @w @nyx Good.
(DIR) Post #ALBS84vj2zRArFRvVY by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T13:53:21.718010Z
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The thing is, free software must remain free if you share it with someone else. If you don't share it with others and don't give access to its binaries, for others this software may as well not exist. Free software is about protecting its end-user's freedom. But if this end-user doesn't get the software then their freedoms weren't violated to begin with.@w @iska @hayley @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBS85J7e09W1oObya by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-05T14:13:52.321217Z
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@cyberspook @w @iska @hayley @nyx thanks Captain Obvious.Except you said about when source code only available to limited number of people.Unrelated, this logic has some flaws because it's not easy to define who the end user is.In my experience, there were cases where heavily modified copylefted software was available to download through unintentionally public FTPs. And after asking them about sources, they just quietly shut down FTP. Thankfully, archive.org remembers that.Same happened to some other company, who also distributed the binaries on their intentional public FTPs that mirrored to a bunch of servers worldwide. Yet they never acknowledged the license terms, as "the end user is a person or organization who bought a computer from them".To be specific, I'm talking about MCST and Astra Linux here, who violate GPL and just don't care about it unless you're an "end user" in their mind.
(DIR) Post #ALBTmmHVO51EqZbiuu by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T14:18:18.148917Z
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Except you said about when source code only available to limited number of people.Yes. Like your team. I didn’t say that the source code is available to a limited number of people while the binaries are available to the rest. If you redistribute the binaries without the source code it’s obviously proprietary.And FSF says that private software is libre software in a trivial way because the source code is available to all users. But not to all people.@w @iska @hayley
(DIR) Post #ALBTmmnPTSXWRWXCe8 by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T14:24:32.289597Z
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@a1baNot end-users. Just whoever uses the software. And that includes server-side software as well, that’s why AGPL exists.Actually, you may not know this but not sharing the sources of your server-side modified version of GPL software is not in violation of GPL. That’s why AGPL exists. Because GPL was not designed for servers.@hayley @iska @w
(DIR) Post #ALBTmnJJYq3o2TSgNM by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-05T14:32:23.361815Z
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@cyberspook @w @iska @hayley I, for sure, know the difference between GPL and AGPL.>Just whoever uses the softwareThat was their point too. Since I don't have a special machine to run these binaries on, me and my friend reverse-engineered it's ISA and developed an emulator. We can use it, it's very slow, but we can. :)That still didn't convince anyone, of course.The software in question was modified Linux kernel, glibc and binutils, and I wanted to request the source code for them, to be available for everyone.In the end, I got them anyway. But it's not something I would post either, because some group people would be very upset at the other group of people and probably fire them :)
(DIR) Post #ALBTpSliOLonCL1C3E by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-05T14:32:57.645873Z
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@cyberspook also, delete and redraft is for losers
(DIR) Post #ALBTtcgfSN517Odo0G by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T14:33:41Z
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@a1ba @w @hayley @cyberspook That was their point too. Since I don't have a special machine to run these binaries on, me and my friend reverse-engineered it's ISA and developed an emulator. We can use it, it's very slow, but we can. :)Doesn't this make java and some lisps nonfree?
(DIR) Post #ALBTwhB3DeHJueJkjw by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T14:34:15Z
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@a1ba @w @hayley @cyberspook That was their point too. Since I don't have a special machine to run these binaries on, me and my friend reverse-engineered it's ISA and developed an emulator. We can use it, it's very slow, but we can. :)Doesn't this make programs in java and some lisps nonfree?
(DIR) Post #ALBUMAAGa8rh3T5vEm by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T14:35:52.968206Z
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Talking about whoever has the access to software in general, you don't get it. If you have the access, if you can get the binaries, then obviously you should get the source code. And then you should be able to share that source code without royalties or any obligations whatsoever.@w @iska @hayley
(DIR) Post #ALBUMAaqzI8GNvX9g8 by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-05T14:38:50.116521Z
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@cyberspook @w @iska @hayley And again, let's go convince MCST publishing source code because you somehow got binaries.Spoiler: you can't. GPL in this country just failed.I don't defend them if you don't get it.
(DIR) Post #ALBV1O3DrDxdznSO7U by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T14:45:03.570370Z
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Firstly, them using public channels was retarded. They should have known better. Secondly, if you are making software for personal use, you don't need to copyleft it. Thirdly, again, do they use the binaries for SaaSS or do they only use it internally for development purposes? What was the purpose of these binaries?@w @iska @hayley
(DIR) Post #ALBV1OVEB6MXOeYkls by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-05T14:46:16.698815Z
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@cyberspook @w @iska @hayley you don't know what Linux, glibc or binutils is? I have to explain this?
(DIR) Post #ALBW5de5v0lLTTIKHo by w96k@fosstodon.org
2022-07-05T14:58:17Z
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@w @iska @cyberspook @hayley @nyx Guys, you have invented freeware
(DIR) Post #ALBWHNzBy0CgNilSF6 by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-05T15:00:00.964906Z
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@cyberspook @w @iska @hayley what do you mean data? It's an operating system base. As a bonus, it's the only completely working for their platform.And they include it with machines, offer downloading it through Internet, selling it and so on. As everybody else does.Ideally, a normal person will never see these binaries since they do not own the machine, but again...1) There was an unintentional leak.2) There was an intentional leak.3) There are machines with public access, and you can grab binaries from here too.4) There are x86 builds available for free that built from same patched sourcesAnd that's the case of GPL violation that nobody cares about.
(DIR) Post #ALBWQEJhHoDZ00ZZHk by w96k@fosstodon.org
2022-07-05T15:02:00Z
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@iska Maven (java package manager) downloads compiled java bytecode. Guix devs see that as non-free, because there is no guarantee that the code you have received is reproducible with source code of that package. So yes, such stuff can be non-free in theory. In practice nobody cares about that.@a1ba @w @hayley @cyberspook
(DIR) Post #ALBWiSQ9aOoBxGHgES by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T15:03:49.205956Z
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By "data" I mean that noone does computing on the servers outside of those who have access to source code. That is, that the servers aren't SuSS. That they do not provide cloud computing.@w @iska @hayley
(DIR) Post #ALBWiSxTaVSncbsIAi by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-05T15:05:17.237982Z
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@cyberspook @w @iska @hayley and...How it's connected to GPL?
(DIR) Post #ALBWv46LJhc2IH1tvE by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T15:06:58.001564Z
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I was talking about private software technically being libre. If it's private and noone outside your team has access to it or the servers running it.@w @iska @hayley
(DIR) Post #ALBWv4SJzzC3ORJSBE by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-05T15:07:34.477078Z
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@cyberspook @w @iska @hayley It doesn't make sense. It's not private.
(DIR) Post #ALBYzZupAqqS1wvDCi by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T15:17:45.313975Z
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Copyleft says that anyone who redistributes the software, with or without changes, must pass along the freedom to further copy and change it.So I don’t see an issue here. The leak was simply an error on their part, they shouldn’t have done this. I’m not sure if they are legit legally responsible in that case.@w @iska @hayley
(DIR) Post #ALBYzac4a3RKC59kcC by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-05T15:30:47.759833Z
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@cyberspook @w @iska @hayley still, there is second, third and fourth points, that was never acknowledged.
(DIR) Post #ALBYzbyRWMvaPkd87c by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T15:28:50.287140Z
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@a1baLet’s put it this way: a copy of the software is libre if the user posesses all four freedoms. Otherwise it is proprietary. Now, due to the employees not posessing these freedoms it does make sense that to them the software is indeed proprietary so the workers (or others on their behalf) can easily sue the company to shit.@hayley @iska @w
(DIR) Post #ALBZo1J3brEnSdJDc0 by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T15:34:47.144908Z
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There was an intentional leak.Pure speculation.There are machines with public access, and you can grab binaries from here too. There are x86 builds available for free that built from same patched sourcesYeah, that’s kinda scammy. If you had enough legal power I think you could have sued them into oblivion.@w @iska @hayley
(DIR) Post #ALBZo2nw2XX06glONc by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-05T15:39:51.222117Z
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@cyberspook @w @iska @hayley I would say it's a speculation if I didn't poked them, telling it's probably not what they wanted.They removed a source package for binutils that was indeed leaked, but left all the binaries.I would say from actually providing source for one package, and therefore respecting the license, they went to violating it.
(DIR) Post #ALBaWcDJkYYqfWtB2n by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T15:46:02.294740Z
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They removed a source package for binutils that was indeed leaked, but left all the binaries.Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…Destroy them. Make them suffer.@w @iska @hayley
(DIR) Post #ALBaWcgO0ToU7gUOLw by a1ba@expired.mentality.rip
2022-07-05T15:47:57.105349Z
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@cyberspook @w @iska @hayley yeah, pipe bombs to the mail! Except I'm not a terrorist. :D But I'm telling this story just to show that Astra Linux just a bunch of bootlicking clowns.
(DIR) Post #ALBiTC5TEMcMP468pM by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T17:16:59Z
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@a1ba @w @hayley @cyberspook The government can just ignore any license as they are the ones enforcing it.
(DIR) Post #ALBiu97iMGI91v01om by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-05T15:01:47.666147Z
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…freewareMore like cringeware.@w96k @w @iska @hayley @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALBuv9ogSvx8v2LYZc by w96k@fosstodon.org
2022-07-05T19:36:31Z
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@cyberspook It is not easy and can be done in eu, us, canada or au I think. Anyway In Russia GPL doesn't work, because text license is not in russian. Russia has "open-source" license, but it is not free, because it says that software can be used only in ru and ally territories, so it doesn't share free software values at all.I wish non-commerce license even if it means reducing freedom for users, because we've seen free software used for semi-proprietary products.@hayley @a1ba @iska
(DIR) Post #ALBvD8zCI9sNYWqCGG by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T19:39:44Z
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@w96k @cyberspook @hayley @a1ba You're basically saying that people shouldn't be free because freedom can be used for evil.
(DIR) Post #ALBvHVivhCt3EYJX1s by w96k@fosstodon.org
2022-07-05T19:40:33Z
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@iska Basically yes, at least in my political views making profit is not about contributing to society.
(DIR) Post #ALBvvXTqaFaEGWLX6m by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T19:47:47Z
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@w96k basically yesOne of the cringiest takes today.making profit is not about contributing to society.One's profit is another's spending. If you don't want the wrong people to grow, don't reward them. Big tech got so big because of unawareness, ignorance and lack of will. Punishing self employed men and small businesses will not improve anything.
(DIR) Post #ALBw4NPtN021ewi71c by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-05T19:49:23Z
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@w96k basically yesOne of the cringiest takes today.making profit is not about contributing to society.One's profit is another's spending. If you don't want the wrong people to grow, don't reward them. Big tech got so big largely because of unawareness, ignorance and lack of will. Punishing self employed men and small businesses will not improve anything.
(DIR) Post #ALDGGUtwlBRyzC95yC by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-06T11:09:28.316820Z
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…evil.HA! HAHA! HAAAAAHAHAHAHA! Fucking moralists. Imagine caring about “evil” instead of doing “evil” things if it’s in your self-interest. SPOOKED.@w96k @hayley @a1ba
(DIR) Post #ALDGGVIlGvIeE9kueG by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T11:10:21Z
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@cyberspook @w96k @hayley @a1ba Tell that to Mike.
(DIR) Post #ALDpvmczFsIyESdQmm by idiot@shitposter.club
2022-07-06T17:50:00.736732Z
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@iska @w @nyx >What's the point of works if humanity can't benefit from it?
(DIR) Post #ALE6WfPUeS0VpPvtfE by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-06T20:52:51.287637Z
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The more I see this, the more left-leaning I become. I'm already way past my ancap phase.@w @iska @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALE6WqPBlvIdvesJDU by idiot@shitposter.club
2022-07-06T20:55:51.773364Z
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@cyberspook @w @iska @nyx Bold of you to assume the government's going to help fix your problems instead of just exacerbating them for fun and profit. Or, you know, any other living breathing human being, for that matter.
(DIR) Post #ALE6hgV6w9KMOcoWkC by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-06T20:56:00.024844Z
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@idiot @iska @cyberspook @nyx Left Leaning != Authoritarianism
(DIR) Post #ALE6jL3hd3bWTRmap6 by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-06T20:57:13.786278Z
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Bold of you to assume that I care about the government.@w @iska @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALE9CVoqttg09YsKgq by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-06T20:49:15.666736Z
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He already lives in Russia so…You know what’s the funniest shit Putin did? He essentially made it so the foreign companies aren’t protected by the Russian copyright law. But not the other way around.@w @iska @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALE9GmwTBEECPvTer2 by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T21:26:42Z
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@cyberspook @w @idiot @nyx anarchy isn't progressive technically
(DIR) Post #ALE9IzM20DU3UaTzZw by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T21:27:07Z
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@w @idiot @cyberspook @nyx it leads to authoritarianism though.
(DIR) Post #ALEBo5DKSyBKYEMp3A by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-06T21:53:41.091190Z
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That's not how politics work, Iska. It's not about forced equality. It's about the opposition to capitalism. You understand that it's a very vague category, right?@w @idiot @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALEBo5h6gG082aIbSq by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T21:55:07Z
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@cyberspook @idiot @w @nyx what do you define as "capitalism" and why are you against it?
(DIR) Post #ALEBpGgFJtgiP3SRl2 by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T21:55:21Z
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@cyberspook @idiot @w @nyx what do you define as "capitalism" and why are you and so many retards against it?
(DIR) Post #ALEBqSdeLTa3mQoPz6 by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T21:55:34Z
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@cyberspook @idiot @w @nyx what do you define as "capitalism" and why are you like so many retards against it?
(DIR) Post #ALEC69MFnWnycF9lSK by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-06T21:57:14.603696Z
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Did you just call me a retard?@idiot @w @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALEC69m8FJVNuVGQnA by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T21:58:14Z
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@cyberspook @idiot @w @nyx maybe, who cares.
(DIR) Post #ALECCSYVKnvhtStZKq by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T21:59:32Z
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@cyberspook @idiot @w @nyx I was referring to commie who just yell ohh capitalist this capitalist that
(DIR) Post #ALECE5Dl3yLa6MxvWK by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T21:59:50Z
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@cyberspook @idiot @w @nyx I was referring to commies who just yell ohh capitalist this capitalist that
(DIR) Post #ALECV4jO8aK3VOrYW0 by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-06T22:01:31.878155Z
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I do care because you're kinda acting like a jerk for no reason. And I don't really want this discussion to turn into another hellthread.
(DIR) Post #ALECV5JXy9FJJXmQsK by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T22:02:46Z
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@cyberspook I like hellthreads. Either way you're as retarded as I am.
(DIR) Post #ALEDqZNlTK6mbVYt3g by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-06T22:06:38.585351Z
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Capitalism is the kind of system that creates two social classes: the producers (the workers) and the owners (the capitalists). Capitalism rests on the so-called "private property" (or absentee property, to be specific). The unique characteristic of capitalist absentee property is that you do not need to work or be on your property to posess it, which allows the owning class to posess land and factories, thus forcing the workers to sell their labor to survive.@idiot @w @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALEDqZsxbL3uAG9ngO by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T22:17:58Z
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@cyberspook @idiot @w @nyx You can go from one class to another at almost any time; most people were self-employed until recently. Mostly because dickheads told lawyers to not let people create.There were home labs centuries ago but today's equivalents have some NAS with stock FEDora and arduinos...
(DIR) Post #ALEDqbG2V17KQ7xkIK by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-06T22:13:03.945776Z
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@iska @idiot @nyx @w And I don’t mean “land” as in your own house. Any land. All the land. It’s like with feudals owning the land with peasants. And the biggest land owner is… the state. The state owns a huge piece of land and thus posesses the sole monopoly on violence on this territory.
(DIR) Post #ALEE0wcXvWzXZYQGrw by w@arachnid.town
2022-07-06T22:17:54.321211Z
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@iska @cyberspook @idiot @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALEE2jGOYmE8izueFk by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T22:20:12Z
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@w @idiot @cyberspook @nyx bruh on deez nuts
(DIR) Post #ALEE4vGQuf4AWUybC4 by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-06T22:20:08.781241Z
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You can go from one class to another at almost any time…How’s that working for you, fella?@idiot @w @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALEE4vclZcvldlQR0K by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T22:20:35Z
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@cyberspook @idiot @w @nyx I'm a NEET
(DIR) Post #ALEEDSom2nrGuC6zfE by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-06T22:21:31.814536Z
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Well, here's your answer.@idiot @w @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALEEDTKg8BNYV92TOS by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T22:22:05Z
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@cyberspook @idiot @w @nyx NEETs rule, pal :gigachad:
(DIR) Post #ALEEFgpaukVmwhYb6O by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T22:22:32Z
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@cyberspook @idiot @w @nyx I can do dumb things with my PC all day
(DIR) Post #ALEFQKNepEMYSL7srw by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T22:35:39Z
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@cyberspook @idiot @w @nyx I also didn't say a liberal copycucked economy is good.
(DIR) Post #ALEFdDjaqZf3bkXBUO by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-06T22:37:59Z
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@cyberspook @w @idiot @nyx oh shit you were ancap.Why did you stop being based
(DIR) Post #ALFBdgguyrvgl1D5LE by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-07T04:42:32.361611Z
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Iska, your absentee property requires a centralized authority for enforcement. How are you going to own multiple factories on a large territory in a truly decentralized society?@idiot @w @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALFBdh9zEnBKDAoIeO by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-07T09:27:57Z
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@cyberspook @idiot @w @nyx your absentee property requires a centralized authority for enforcement.Just pay the goons mate.Unless it's like IP that I hate anyway.why would you want someone to own multiple factories?If his product is good, I can buy lots of it.Corpos aren't gonna be so large and terrible if we don't reward the bad ones; that's true for anything.And any attempt at reducing responsibility is cringe and futile.
(DIR) Post #ALFBdiZXzFDoajmE88 by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-07T04:47:15.516700Z
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@iskaAnd why would you want someone to own multiple factories? You want large corporations to exist or something? I know I don’t. What is the benefit of this? I only see drawbacks.@idiot @nyx @w
(DIR) Post #ALFGG67pGXLsSbMo4W by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-07T09:39:54.747715Z
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Corpos aren’t gonna be so large and terrible if we don’t reward the bad ones…Oh. Oh, boy. Yes, definitely. False advertising, market manipulation and anti-consoomer practices will definitely not exist in a stateless capitalist society. And in order for that system to function we don’t need copyright either because branding is not copyright somehow. And buying the goons will definitely not give you the monopoly on violence.Iska, there are more holes in your theory than you can possibly imagine. You cannot save the hierarchies. Either you go full-in or you’re stuck with this system. So you have two options: join us and actually start engaging and learning about anarchist politics or be stuck in this limbo where you cooperate with conservatards in strengthening the power of megacorps instead of doing any meaningful change. The biggest problem with ancaps is that they’re like social democrats: they don’t really achieve anything while telling ancoms and mutualists to stop doing political action. You’re too fucking moderate.@idiot @w @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALFGG6hz66H8GkHgQq by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-07T09:49:04.038604Z
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@iska Why do you care about hierarchies in the first place? Why do you hold them sacred? This mindset really limits your political options, this is a utopian thinking. Thinking of anarchism or libertarianism as some kind of an ideal society is a waste of time. If you embraced anarchism then you would actually have more options to maneuver and have less things that tie you to the current system to rely upon. There is literally no reason to preserve hierarchies if we are able to do without them. No reason. Like, we have Tor. We have P2P networks. And yet you want to preserve hierarchical relations even though non-hierarchical, truly decentralized solutions are as effective, if not more so. I don't care about hierarchies. Caring about hierarchies is pointless, they breed such thing as the dumb masses in the first place because the masses should remain dumb in order to not start *GASP* self-organizing.@nyx @w
(DIR) Post #ALFGG7I8vfCO4tCYnA by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-07T10:00:12.364782Z
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@iskaHere's a little introductory text for you: https://c4ss.org/content/4043@nyx @w
(DIR) Post #ALFGG7kVEDsrUqTCzo by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-07T10:19:42Z
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@cyberspook @w @nyx I never said I'm ancap bruh, I'm just saying it's better than ancom.
(DIR) Post #ALFGgNLdr1KJPBMLGi by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-07T10:24:28Z
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@cyberspook @w @nyx I just wanna buy and sell product/service without govs involved.
(DIR) Post #ALFGqdKZHmMrs1kStU by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-07T10:23:59.642055Z
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No, it's not. And woketards being annoying isn't the argument, that just shows that you take your politics from social media and imageboards like the rest. Similar to how Russians hate America and support Putin because they watch propaganda news too much. It's all propaganda and psyop.@w @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALFGqdvn3O8rjTABua by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-07T10:26:16Z
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@cyberspook @w @nyx And woketards being annoying isn't the argumentIt never was, I hate judging people instead of ideas.
(DIR) Post #ALFH7jHMQJdTF2Os3k by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-07T10:28:12.889767Z
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@iska"You are cringe because people on Twitter who hold views similar to yours are cringe." WTF is this argument? It's literally argumentum ad hitlerum. "You believe in this? That's what Hitler believes in!"@nyx @w
(DIR) Post #ALFH7jncUNRKr5UdLE by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-07T10:29:23Z
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@cyberspook @w @nyx that's a strawman but you make me sound like a gigachad
(DIR) Post #ALFHongVv2DtMEhexE by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-07T10:31:25.575895Z
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This is just a very terrible political take. The only thing it shows is a complete ignorance of the person saying this. It's literally the woketard logic but reversed.@w @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALFHoo9aAxTWoOIsGO by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-07T10:34:43.044588Z
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@iskaThis is the sole reason why people become alt-right. Because sharing any political opinions with radlibs is a no-no. So they just take every opinion that the radlibs dislike.@nyx @w
(DIR) Post #ALFHooYkfNbm4S4yUi by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-07T10:37:11Z
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@cyberspook @w @nyx bro just take the joke...
(DIR) Post #ALFHr7mABwIwFSSCki by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-07T10:37:38Z
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@cyberspook @w @nyx bro just take the joke... That wasn't even a political take or anything.
(DIR) Post #ALFI35st3AZ9rBJ3FQ by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-07T10:29:27.732440Z
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You want Pinochetism or something?@w @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALFI36OR9rnrR24FQO by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-07T10:39:46Z
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@cyberspook @w @nyx authoritarianism bans the leftfuck no.
(DIR) Post #ALFKNsFx76Ola18DNg by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-07T10:53:11.506289Z
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The point I was trying to make is that hating communist anarchism is pretty unreasonable since it's the woke anarchists who are the problem. Frankly, I don't want to deal with them anyway. No more than I want to deal with woke liberals. I mostly talk to anti-woke anarchists regardless, my distaste for Mastodon should have made it obvious enough. And I generally do not sugarcoat my political opinions either to appeal to the PC culture.Now, ancaps can be as irritating as woke ancoms. I call these guys Misestards because they parrot Mises and Hayek's talking points and are McCarthyist as fuck.@w @nyx
(DIR) Post #ALFKNslVDndT9rtPYe by cyberspook@soc.redeyes.site
2022-07-07T11:00:16.083190Z
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@iskaIt's generally a more pleasant experience to hang out with the anti-idpol left rather than with the right-wing anti-SJWs. These are well-educated and very sensible people which struggles and concerns I actually understand. I think ancaps should do the same. There are already left-Rothbardians and Konkinites who are more willing to cooperate and listen to what left libertarians have to say and are more left-leaning overall. And I think that's what they should have been from the beginning.@nyx @w
(DIR) Post #ALFKNtDVXg2MYizmD2 by iska@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-07-07T11:05:56Z
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@cyberspook @w @nyx Most people are just dumb.