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(DIR) Post #AKyeoOzZgyAGTAyKMy by EU_Commission@social.network.europa.eu
2022-06-29T10:04:01Z
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What do hydrogen, quantum computers and satellites have in common? 🫧💻🛰️ They're all key technologies to reach climate neutrality by 2050.Our #StrategicForesight report identifies 10 areas for action to maximise synergies between the green and digital transitions in the EU.
(DIR) Post #AKyeyfJlqeDfzzJR9E by EU_Commission@social.network.europa.eu
2022-06-29T10:06:00Z
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In your opinion, which factors have the greatest influence on the EU's green and digital transitions?
(DIR) Post #AKyf53xV9BIS9swl3Q by thatguyoverthere@charlestown.social
2022-06-29T10:07:46.947116Z
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Fascism disguised as altruism
(DIR) Post #AKyfE6sbejiXp9yGoK by TheThirdMan@mastodon.technology
2022-06-29T10:08:24Z
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@EU_Commission Business, unfortunately.
(DIR) Post #AKyfLvd7MmVTFZSFVI by EU_Commission@social.network.europa.eu
2022-06-29T10:10:01Z
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Technologies, social, economic, regulatory and geopolitical factors will be key to a successful twinning by 2050.ℹ Read our #StrategicForesight report → http://europa.eu/!6wbd3v
(DIR) Post #AKyfMEPzVoIPWMSXBI by boss@xarxamontgri.masto.host
2022-06-29T10:10:49Z
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@EU_CommissionThe power of money is the main one. (perhaps the one and only one)
(DIR) Post #AKygCXsqNxJEwxtrtY by witchescauldron@activism.openworlds.info
2022-06-29T10:19:24Z
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@EU_Commission the #EU is still worshipping the #deathcult dressed up in green cloth... you guys need to be braver, try the #openweb as a way to get up on one knee.
(DIR) Post #AKyi7cdtSrCSAagg6q by csepp@merveilles.town
2022-06-29T10:40:56Z
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@EU_Commission > blockchainseriously?more degrowth please
(DIR) Post #AKyikG9wzOuRjZ6b5M by wolf@mastodon.egroc.de
2022-06-29T10:48:03Z
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@EU_Commission @EU_Commission Except for micro grid (which comes closest to decentralization) the rest ist your winning point for bullshit bingoBlockchain is a solution for a problem that doesn't exist, eats energy like hell, a hype fed by people making money out of itQuantum computing computing is still in it's early beginnings. In the end a two sided sword that will lead to more security threatsArtificial intelligence is another hype to report statistical analysis and get funding from you
(DIR) Post #AKyjFLuhe6ISYandzc by jonn@social.doma.dev
2022-06-29T10:53:33Z
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@EU_Commission have you heard of Kessler Syndrome? Look it up. Satellites are NOT sustainable.
(DIR) Post #AKyvw97SI0JWmIw7s0 by Saket@appdot.net
2022-06-29T13:15:40Z
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@EU_Commission I love technology but it will only partially contribute to the solution.This problem needs social, political & economic courage. We need degrowth, reduction of our exploitation of natural resources & marginalized people, an end to fossil fuel & making climate-unfriendly activity illegal or expensive (especially for big business).All stuff we could’ve started with decades ago but will now be forced to do in a few short years if we can muster the urgency.
(DIR) Post #AL2Y6n1eypvoLEM2l6 by silmathoron@floss.social
2022-07-01T07:07:35Z
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@EU_Commissionbeen a long time since I had seen some full on bullshit about the environmental/digital transitions!Blockchain and IoT for the win, and quantum computing for good measure... Thank you very much!And how are we going to extract all the metals and energy necessary to build, run, then replace all these things, pray?Do you know that just making the transition to renewables in some fairly growth limited scenarios requires us to get more than half of all the copper we can access?
(DIR) Post #AL3myrxCT0VhmNuSZc by wim_v12e@cybre.space
2022-07-01T21:28:48Z
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@EU_Commission These claims go entirely against the consensus in the field.The projected growth in AI, blockchain, IoT will lead to a massive rise in emissions, not a reduction. And contrary to your claim, none of these technologies is essential in reducing emissions.Quantum Computing is unlikely to be mainstream by 2050 and has currently no promise of energy efficiency. There are much more promising compute technologies. Space-based services cause emissions in the upper atmosphere which leads to additional warming of those layers, making global warming worse.Please check with experts before posting things like this.(fwiw, I am an expert in low-carbon and sustainable computing so green & digital transition is my area)
(DIR) Post #AL3rT6KhyAxksbZo7E by grob@mstdn.social
2022-07-01T22:19:11Z
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@EU_CommissionErrr what? Hydrogen, fine. But satellites and quantum computers? Hard to believe. I vividly recall a LOT of scientists saying it's not an engineering challenge anymore but a doing challenge.
(DIR) Post #AL59BVSHosm3uoqCR6 by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-07-02T13:13:21.375821Z
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@wim_v12e @EU_Commission Embarrassing to justify fake going assed boilers to become mainstream.What quantum computing?
(DIR) Post #AL59EXzmpbHGf9xbkm by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-07-02T13:13:53.737557Z
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@wim_v12e @EU_Commission Quantum Computing is only a white paper for the boiler.Change my mind.
(DIR) Post #AL59HXotwN5WzGIXbs by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-07-02T13:14:27.716745Z
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@EU_Commission @wim_v12e đź’Ś
(DIR) Post #AL59JyyLxXN1mIsio4 by PawelK@qoto.org
2022-07-02T13:14:54Z
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@wim_v12eGreen bitcoin mining. Hahahaha. Haha. Ha. Haha. Ha.@EU_Commission
(DIR) Post #AL59S0QYQyEmbgtlGS by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-07-02T13:16:21.102904Z
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@EU_Commission @wim_v12e The idea to spend more bits to hold logical binary and presume it would be able to tell, simply is just binary with a third set.Nothing quantum about it, although it’s quite fucking quantum right now, since quantum means incomplete, the same way artificial means fake.
(DIR) Post #AL59WpyEjtqBcjxNmC by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-07-02T13:17:13.551044Z
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@EU_Commission @wim_v12e The idea to spend more bits to hold logical binary and presume it would be able to tell, simply is just binary with a third set and quite dumb, because consuming more bits than the efficiency is oils provide.Nothing quantum about it, although it’s quite fucking quantum right now, since quantum means incomplete, the same way artificial means fake.
(DIR) Post #AL59YYHNUC8RKnjAKO by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-07-02T13:17:32.196148Z
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@EU_Commission @wim_v12e The idea to spend more bits to hold logical binary and presume it would be able to tell, simply is just binary with a third set and quite dumb, because consuming more bits than the efficiency its oils provide.Nothing quantum about it, although it’s quite fucking quantum right now, since quantum means incomplete, the same way artificial means fake.
(DIR) Post #AL5IqMFzp3LSqde9Zo by neauoire@merveilles.town
2022-07-02T15:00:37Z
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@EU_Commission is it possible to access that report with a modern web browser? The site requires a heavy load of Javascript.
(DIR) Post #AL5JOsPYmQXuQ0a0ae by RLetot@mamot.fr
2022-07-02T15:06:52Z
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@EU_Commission damn, you really are out of your leage there... AI can help, but most problems have far better and ecological «classical» solutions. Blockchain a neat technology in search of a use case: I still haven't seen any that is not better covered (and with far less energy) via other means. IoT can help, but the majority of deployments are just generating revenue and huge data sets for big tech, while again using much energy. Seriously, get your acts together...
(DIR) Post #AL5T6Nd9TzGZHakwqG by wim_v12e@cybre.space
2022-07-02T16:51:47Z
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@volume I happen to do research on quantum computing. I am not going to try and change your mind. Quantum computers will become more mainstream and it could be within 20 years. For cracking crypto, it will be sooner, but those machines will consume a lot of electricity.Quantum computers have advantages for certain classes of problems, and that includes weather and climate simulations, so eventually some good could come out of that. But quantum computing is a distraction. It is not what we need to tackle the climate crisis.
(DIR) Post #AL5T6OENFb2Z92AfrM by volume@fr13nd5.com
2022-07-02T16:56:32.327490Z
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@wim_v12e No it wont, because the same flawed approach to make artificial intelligence self aware or sentient. By design it will not work, not without #mainvolume's true || quantum design, but that demands binary intelligence, which in turn requires all sorts of licenses not to implode when the bots reach nothing.
(DIR) Post #AL5WBp4VBUUnhTpsno by ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social
2022-07-02T12:34:44Z
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@wim_v12e FUCKING LEGEND@EU_Commission
(DIR) Post #AL5WBpbpBb9PMpQUk4 by tinyrabbit@floss.social
2022-07-02T12:39:50Z
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@ekaitz_zarraga @wim_v12e @EU_Commission I've heard for a decade now that Blockchain would ensure greater transparency in the lifecycle and value chain of products. It's been tested. It's never actually succeeded or brought anything meaningful that couldn't be more efficiently implemented by traditional means.It's proven to hugely effective at producing massive amounts of carbon pollution and electronic waste in a very short time though. And a very lucrative framework for running ponzi schemes
(DIR) Post #AL5WBq6fKvowuTr7oW by drgo@bitcoinhackers.org
2022-07-02T17:31:06Z
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@tinyrabbit @ekaitz_zarraga @wim_v12e @EU_Commission yeah, it’s only good for money. All those other uses are just attempts to take money from fools. But if you think bitcoin is carbon intensive, you should see paper currencies…these government decreed fiat currencies are talking orders of magnitude less efficient than Bitcoin.
(DIR) Post #AL5WBrGd1NNsVfWayu by tinyrabbit@floss.social
2022-07-02T12:42:09Z
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@ekaitz_zarraga @wim_v12e @EU_Commission As for AI one should be very, very critical towards use cases. AI is very good at analysing huge datasets, and that sounds fine and dandy. But again it's often applied to problems that can be solved with some clever heuristics instead.And an AI engine burns through massive amounts of energy while learning.
(DIR) Post #AL5WO3o6DxMMsP006y by drgo@bitcoinhackers.org
2022-07-02T17:33:21Z
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@wim_v12e @EU_Commission beggars the point: carbon neutrality isn’t necessarily a valid goal…naively implemented, such a policy will kill billions of people.A legitimate goal would be producing far more energy for far less carbon emission…
(DIR) Post #AL5XtTkTvJyGGRqtbU by pingviini@pleroma.shunderdo.me
2022-07-02T17:50:13.417630Z
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@wim_v12e @EU_Commission
(DIR) Post #AL5cKwvfwFy4OxRUi8 by cybeardjm@mstdn.social
2022-07-02T18:39:59Z
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@PawelK @wim_v12e Hey @EU_Commission stop being this delusional, it hurts to see you spitting such BS written and pushed by snakeoil lobbies - just hurting the planet again for money in your pockets...But I suppose you can't feel shame anymore...
(DIR) Post #AL5e9YMf84XiwEl7Ts by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-07-02T19:00:21Z
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@drgo can you help me understand how fiat currencies (especially digitized) can use orders of magnitude more energy than crypto & distributed ledger?
(DIR) Post #AL61ZlMnhw3zjsI4Su by drgo@bitcoinhackers.org
2022-07-02T23:22:49Z
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@duncan_lithgow well, one takes a literal army to enforce
(DIR) Post #AL6jOCWJK2IESh2HCq by aiquez@troet.cafe
2022-07-03T07:32:42Z
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@EU_Commission Listening to #BasicNeeds would have a Huge #effect #esntials Blockchain or just Labels fĂĽr #RFT #RealFairTrade would be Nice ! Can control directly how much illegal/exploitive workforce and env. Damage was used to produce the product. And the #Tax it.Learning again to live without excessive, ad and lifestyle based consumption incl. Reduction Non-disposable garbage #consoum . tech to support/ finance high #transparency projects/trade would be helpful
(DIR) Post #AL6oRUO5qb7YW4Zz7o by SylvieLorxu@social.tchncs.de
2022-07-03T08:28:41Z
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@EU_Commission Banning Blockchain would really accelerate going green.I'm 100% serious, it is an energy wasting scam. Getting rid of it would save us more energy than the complete power consumption of the Netherlands.Instead of promoting Blockchain like you do in your post, we should be getting rid of it as soon as possible.
(DIR) Post #AL92oMVD7MXoOad43k by Gargron@mastodon.social
2022-07-04T06:46:22Z
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@wim_v12e @EU_Commission The social media people running these accounts do not have the authority to decide what gets posted. There is a long chain of command, I hope you understand that. Contacting a MEP is probably your best bet.
(DIR) Post #AL92oN5MwvT4CjXwQ4 by wim_v12e@cybre.space
2022-07-04T09:59:30Z
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@gargron @EU_Commission If the Commission wants to communicate to the public, then they have to communicate back the public's views to the decision makers as well.
(DIR) Post #AL92oNZ9ADHrh5Tipk by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2022-07-04T10:03:19Z
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@wim_v12e @gargron @EU_Commission I live in Brexit island (I didn't support or vote for it) so no longer can contact MEPs etc; but the way the Commission have set this up with 0 replies to the public comes across almost like a 1980s propaganda operation (even though I agree with and support a lot of what they are saying and doing!) It was a perception of Brussels being "unaccountable" and "untouchable" which in part led to Brexit in my country..
(DIR) Post #AL96ZuWcjtRBO8eeae by anatra@queer.party
2022-07-04T06:29:16Z
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@wim_v12e @EU_Commission I read it as "somehow some technology in the future will fix our problems" and that attitude has been a huge problem since the industrial revolution.
(DIR) Post #ALBEkYhzNhdwrNTkp6 by liaizon@social.wake.st
2022-07-05T11:42:56Z
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@EU_Commission who wrote this post cause not only is it entirely made up drivel but "praocesses" is uh a cool neologism that you may have coined just for this image
(DIR) Post #ALBMcznjZCrqCe4Rc0 by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-07-05T13:12:15Z
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@drgo the state monopoly on violence ensures (among other things) property rights not currency. But once a gang has you locked into a room with your girlfriend in another room with some nasty guys - crypto or fiat - you're probably getting robbed. So doesn't crypto also need protecting by force?
(DIR) Post #ALBP2rCSMuC0xq5sYq by drgo@bitcoinhackers.org
2022-07-05T13:39:21Z
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@duncan_lithgow absolutely. But the payoff of violence is far less than with fiat. You can take currency with minimal effort from a large number of people…often within the bounds of the law. But with Bitcoin, you’d need to discard rule of law & apply substantial force to individuals to pressure people to divulge their keys.
(DIR) Post #ALBPZ8b7DfsQBm1KIy by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-07-05T13:45:10Z
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@drgo you're assuming people use cash. I haven't paid cash for anything significant for years.
(DIR) Post #ALBXBLiVaefhYpe7zk by drgo@bitcoinhackers.org
2022-07-05T15:10:31Z
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@duncan_lithgow no. Assuming people use bank accounts
(DIR) Post #ALBjmtbrjt46qHD21I by Mr_Teatime@social.tchncs.de
2022-07-05T17:30:42Z
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@EU_CommissionSoo... the microgrids idea is concievably and plausibly directly helping to update electricity grids so they can cope with new and different types of electricity generation.All other fields are generic technology which may be used for all kinds of purposes (or not...).I work in aerospace research, and for decades people have been selling gradual operating cost reductions as contributions to climate protection. It's not honest. 100 times 1% CO2 reduction does not 100% make.
(DIR) Post #ALBkWPvGRnMi5dzN32 by Mr_Teatime@social.tchncs.de
2022-07-05T17:39:58Z
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@drgoWe've been doing the efficiency dance for 30 years, and it has not resulted in reduced emissions, but in increased consumption (turns out if something becomes cheaper, people use more of it, and it becones accessible to more people).Efficiency helps, but it cannot possibly solve the problem. Reducing consumption can help, but obviously only consumption that's not actually needed for people to live decently.What really counts is quitting fossil fuels, ASAP.@wim_v12e @EU_Commission
(DIR) Post #ALBmXNRjL7T0bjlBho by drgo@bitcoinhackers.org
2022-07-05T18:02:34Z
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@Mr_Teatime @wim_v12e @EU_Commission if you stop fossil fuels today, you will kill roughly 1/6 of all humans on the plant. There is no suitable alternative available without massively increasing the amount of energy that can be created with much less carbon production. The standard of living is in almost every respect determined by one metric: average amount of energy available affordably to the average person.
(DIR) Post #ALBoyZuDK87MydBIXY by wim_v12e@cybre.space
2022-07-05T18:26:09Z
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@Mr_Teatime I don't see drgo's post for some reason, so I don't know what you are reacting to, but I agree with what you say@drgo
(DIR) Post #ALBoyaU1B0l2lfvtLc by drgo@bitcoinhackers.org
2022-07-05T18:29:51Z
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@wim_v12e @Mr_Teatime his point is perfectly valid: all efficiency gains, meager as they may be, have gone into increasing standard of living rather than decreasing carbon emissions. Energy use will only ever increase and at the moment our legacy technology dictates that decreasing carbon emissions means decreasing standard of living…substantially…and almost certainly means less living humans.
(DIR) Post #ALBq4ql1gKwWvwREPI by Mr_Teatime@social.tchncs.de
2022-07-05T18:42:14Z
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@drgoNewsflash: stopping with fossil fuel burn is not a trivial task!I've no idea what kind of silly scenario you're imagining, and whether you actually read what I wrote. I *am* pretty sure, however, that more than 1/6 of the world population will die due to climate change if we don't adapt our energy production *and* consumption to stop adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, *pronto*.@wim_v12e @EU_Commission
(DIR) Post #ALBqiM23KyiRDwEuS8 by FreePietje@x0f.org
2022-07-05T18:49:20Z
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@EU_Commission Decentralized Energy Grids is the only one which could be useful.Blockchain? What Byzantine general problem are you trying to solve? Oh, you don't know what that is? Then you don't need a blockchain.This is just the wishlist of #BigTech fishing for the € billions you'll spend on this.Lobbying is #LegalizedCorruption Maybe talk to actual subject matter experts, like scientists, who actually want to solve the problems?This is just a #BullshitBingoCard
(DIR) Post #ALBrTvpI4bLTqcxN7g by Mr_Teatime@social.tchncs.de
2022-07-05T18:57:57Z
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@drgonooo, that's *not* what I said.Less than half of those gains have gone into increasing the standard of living. The people who can barely afford it, use old, inefficient stuff. The ones who can, drive fucking landrovers, which efficiently accelerate 3 tons of lightweight structure at horrendous rates, to serve no purpose that a Mini and a fancy hat couldn't fulfill equally well, with a third of the fuel burn. I.e.: they're horribly inefficient fig leaves.@wim_v12e
(DIR) Post #ALBrbB3fq6df7G8hNY by FreePietje@x0f.org
2022-07-05T18:59:17Z
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@EU_Commission Decentralized Energy Grids is the only one which could be useful.Blockchain? What Byzantine general problem are you trying to solve? Oh, you don't know what that is? Then you don't need a blockchain.This is just the wishlist of #BigTech fishing for the € billions you'll spend on this.Lobbying is #LegalizedCorruption Maybe talk to actual subject matter experts, like scientists, who actually want to solve the problems?This is just a #BullshitBingoCard
(DIR) Post #ALC8aiSHsojZct1AnI by drgo@bitcoinhackers.org
2022-07-05T22:09:41Z
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@Mr_Teatime @wim_v12e @EU_Commission climate change can be invoked to justify any claim of death at any scale at any time. It is unfalsifiable, or perhaps nearly so. Anyhow, no governmental body is interested in decreasing carbon output. They haven’t even realized that humans will continue to use ever increasing amounts of energy; energy use is a very good thing…it’s the side effects that are bad. Can’t simply focus on carbon, need enerfy
(DIR) Post #ALCsrXA9iWgnPxUiA4 by Mr_Teatime@social.tchncs.de
2022-07-06T06:48:09Z
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@drgo @wim_v12e @EU_CommissionHumanity in general is currently hard at work confirming the claims of catastrophic climate change, by charging headling into just that ... if you have any trust at all in laws of nature, you can calculate what will happen.Energy use is not a good thing in itself. Even at the highest abstraction (2nd law of thermodynamics), it's producing more entropy, which is irreversible -- so use it wisely!
(DIR) Post #ALD0G9pCKrZwdKxFLc by duncan_lithgow@mastodon.social
2022-07-06T08:11:02Z
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@drgo a general comment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivated_reasoning
(DIR) Post #ALEKynTRf9wqIv5ZU8 by FourOh-LLC@pkteerium.xyz
2022-07-05T22:28:02.023458Z
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Can we build a (partial) Dyson Sphere? Put the computers in orbit to crunch and store. I heard cooling / heating is guaranteed, energy is plentiful.
(DIR) Post #ALEKyoHme0DKp2dlwm by Mr_Teatime@social.tchncs.de
2022-07-06T06:50:20Z
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@FourOh-LLC @EU_Commission @wim_v12e @drgo Cooling things in space is pretty hard, and getting things into space is effing expensive. Way more energy than those computers would use in their lifetime. Dyson spheres are only possible in scifi stories since they'd use more material than our planet consists of. And that's before figuring out how to even build one.
(DIR) Post #ALEKyq4O0mgaM4O6LI by FourOh-LLC@pkteerium.xyz
2022-07-06T07:27:19.525926Z
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I think it was in the book the 3-body problem when I first read the idea of a "space elevator", as a way to negotiate Earth's gravity well to move things into orbit.Of course the "fiction" part of it was a light-enough, strong-enough material to be able to hold it together, and if you evolve the idea by adding some sort of mass driver to make the interim hops between this "elevator" hanging from orbit and tower from the ground. At both terminals the atmosphere is clear of cloud cover and they are exposed to the sun.Its possible to calculate the payload, then brainstorm what kind of payload worth the effort to try and build it.If I was a sci-fi author I could make this functional in a week LOL!
(DIR) Post #ALEKyqYAE4VNqQJsky by FourOh-LLC@pkteerium.xyz
2022-07-06T07:59:03.132439Z
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Of course part of the cargo must be some sort of propellant to keep the space terminal in orbit, and for now that pretty much makes this Sci-Fi only.
(DIR) Post #ALEKyrMVCulsMXs5Dc by Mr_Teatime@social.tchncs.de
2022-07-06T11:38:35Z
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@FourOh-LLC...and that's before considering coriolis forces, or wind during construction, or robustness to [any number of things], or material fatigue, or maintenance/repairs ... or, of course, cost, in terms of money, material and energy required.I'd say we have way more urgent issues to deal with right now. Like getting drgo to stop believing that burning Terawatts of electricity for Bitcoin was somehow saving lives or something. @drgo @wim_v12e
(DIR) Post #ALEKyvvkDpL2X0OHho by drgo@bitcoinhackers.org
2022-07-06T23:37:52Z
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@Mr_Teatime @FourOh-LLC @wim_v12e lol…you will learn eventually. Bitcoin is a total mindfuck, not because it’s hard to understand, but because everything in society has trained you to work against your own self interest…and conveniently to fight hard for the ultra-wealthy.