Post AL3jbWRtxIa0YoRhLs by metalune@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AL3Nh9jJ8k2yqNruSG by metalune@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T16:46:31Z
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I wish I could know that Firefox will be there forever, I love firefox and I love it's interface. Fuck why does it have to go away
(DIR) Post #AL3OFBDi6aUtJPJT96 by joel@benign.town
2022-07-01T16:52:40Z
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@metalune wait what is happening?
(DIR) Post #AL3QpQRjAjuertHRom by metalune@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T17:21:38Z
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@joel it is kinda obvious that Firefox won't be here forever... righ?
(DIR) Post #AL3gjI8gk9UidKTKHQ by Mehrad@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T20:19:45Z
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@metalune I partly see your point. But Firefox devs are not so good in UI/UX design and marketing (like many other FLOSS software). I wish there was a fork of FF that was as feature rich and as customizable as Vivaldi. The ***only*** reason I use FF is to keep browser diversity. It is ironic that Linux gives the user the freedom to customize to the core of their machine, and yet large majority of distros have FF (the least customizable browser after IE) as their default browser.
(DIR) Post #AL3jbWRtxIa0YoRhLs by metalune@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T20:52:02Z
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@Mehrad well, I personally really dig the Firefox look, and honestly I don't mind them changing stuff up every other day, I have come to accept that the browser will never fit into my system. Anyway, I think you can make Firefox much more into anything you want with stuff like vertical tabs (which just plain don't exist on chromium/chrome) and with a userChrome.css you can seriously make it look like anything.
(DIR) Post #AL3kXVTHkSlyK9k47U by Mehrad@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T21:02:29Z
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@metalune yeah,... no. One should invest countless hours to change the look of FF when:1. This should be done by pros who know their field2. The main problem is lack of customizability. One should change the damn source and compile to get what they want. FF has zero builtin feature to facilitate simple things like keyboard shortcuts3. The only feature FF has added in the past decade is the "cookie protection" and "do not follow". Everything else has been purely aesthetic
(DIR) Post #AL43RkNvHm4by9CWdU by shortwavesurfer2009@dragonscave.space
2022-07-02T00:34:18Z
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@metalune ff really needs to break geko into its own thing that any browser can build a UI and features around. I have. Heard its damn near impossible to seperate them
(DIR) Post #AL4iSRxtLsvxFdTl5c by fedops@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T21:29:34Z
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@Mehrad #3 simply isn't true and actually quite derogatory towards the developers. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_historyUI is a matter of taste obviously, but I personally think Chrome looks much more dated than FF. OTOH I don't care enough about the visuals so don't really know what could be fixed and tweaked in each.@metalune
(DIR) Post #AL4iSTEadHsvBiIbku by paul@notnull.click
2022-07-01T21:37:45.007924Z
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@fedops @Mehrad @metalune don't know about anyone else, but when I'm using a web browser I tend to not look at the visuals of the actual web browser window too much... 😁
(DIR) Post #AL4iSTiipFzIhAOfiq by Mehrad@fosstodon.org
2022-07-02T06:14:56Z
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@paul @metalune @fedops ok, I fold. It seems none of you really want to read the main points which are *not* graphics but rather customizability and feature richness. I personally don't care much how it looks like, but I personally am nauseated that after all these years, I still cannot change the damn keybindings. Something that one could have done in Chrome world and perhaps Opera over a decade ago. Anyways, thanks for your comments.
(DIR) Post #AL4iSU7tJg7XxEAlxA by metalune@fosstodon.org
2022-07-02T08:13:50Z
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@Mehrad @paul @fedops I agree with your points, but I don't think having Firefox do it is the right approach, similar to how people can use Chromium as a base, people should be able to use Gecko as a base to build their own projects around it so something like a customizable Vivaldi with Gecko as backend can exist
(DIR) Post #AL4jvRhfVIKmn9HT6m by fedops@fosstodon.org
2022-07-02T08:30:19Z
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@metalune yeah but that's possible isn't it (I honestly don't know)?@Mehrad @paul
(DIR) Post #AL4t9wq7R4bN07Duim by Mehrad@fosstodon.org
2022-07-02T09:21:31Z
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@fedops @metalune @paul I'm no expert by any stretch, but not having any more Gecko-based independent and actively developed browser out there perhaps indicates that either maintaining a browser is ridiculously costly, or Gecko is not as easily tamed as Chromium. The former hypothesis gets rejected by considering why no other browser has chosen Gecko when they started or when they switched including but not limited to Opera, Vivaldi, Brave, and Edge.
(DIR) Post #AL4t9xH3ou9WLfpQiO by metalune@fosstodon.org
2022-07-02T10:13:46Z
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@Mehrad @fedops @paul I heard too that Gecko is harder to tame, and so I think there should be more effort put into fixing that.
(DIR) Post #AL4ukQJzOsymof9TMm by fedops@fosstodon.org
2022-07-02T10:31:35Z
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@metalune @Mehrad @paul according to Wikipedia:"Other web browsers using Gecko include GNU IceCat, Waterfox, K-Meleon, Lunascape, Portable Firefox, Conkeror, Classilla, TenFourFox."Seems like there are at least a few options, though honestly I've barely heard of and never used any of them myself.