Post AKnfaPHS3L6zo6eqTA by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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(DIR) Post #AKnJcxlKcg4IL3Rozw by skadi@stereophonic.space
2022-06-23T22:45:30.154503Z
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This is how computer programming should be portrayed
(DIR) Post #AKnK3KCRp8eXSKhY7U by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-06-23T22:50:07.505065Z
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@skadi why is there a picture of me in tarot? :comfypeeksweat: Not even kidding, I hate candles and aroma sticks on my desk, among other stuff.
(DIR) Post #AKnK8nHp6jNf7Ap840 by allison@hidamari.apartments
2022-06-23T22:51:14.391923Z
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@skadi Way of gazing into the infinite. Whether that is a desirable thing, of course, is something you can only answer for yourself
(DIR) Post #AKnKd2obw6hRxpaHz6 by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-23T22:56:46.022386Z
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@skadi eh computer programming gives people materialist brainworms
(DIR) Post #AKnKxbIRRhYAhHL6MC by diresock@freespeechextremist.com
2022-06-23T23:00:31.509152Z
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@skadi This is how women code, men just use a keyboard.
(DIR) Post #AKnLQmU0vugPn1fO2y by genmaicha@stereophonic.space
2022-06-23T23:05:46.565339Z
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@skadi she's got the murderous femcel glasses and hairdo
(DIR) Post #AKnLX84RaGKyTojWtM by sathariel@gentoo.live
2022-06-23T23:08:32.681997Z
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@georgia @skadi getting trapped in one's own trick is the risk of the magician
(DIR) Post #AKnSN9G70j8OwrNYPI by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2022-06-24T00:23:32.522512Z
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@skadi SICP intro moment
(DIR) Post #AKnc3eF16nGcmwCt9s by skadi@stereophonic.space
2022-06-24T02:12:03.401567Z
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@allison Stare too long into the Obsidian Rectangle and your soul shall be forever lost
(DIR) Post #AKnc7COWaFana8LaWO by skadi@stereophonic.space
2022-06-24T02:12:43.581123Z
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@georgia That's just the culture, it doesn't have to be that way
(DIR) Post #AKnc8dWPD9mM0Lidf6 by skadi@stereophonic.space
2022-06-24T02:12:57.058635Z
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@diresock Based women
(DIR) Post #AKncF0pBU6VC0yXiGu by salarua@koyu.space
2022-06-23T23:53:50Z
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@skadi what tarot deck is that, i want
(DIR) Post #AKncF1eEQJKqZIQTq4 by skadi@stereophonic.space
2022-06-24T02:14:05.161538Z
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@salarua No idea, I found it on Telegram somewhere
(DIR) Post #AKncG2jjrQAqEcUGfY by darckcrystale@pipou.academy
2022-06-24T00:30:23Z
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@skadi omg yes
(DIR) Post #AKnduP4kKBez3T7eSW by skadi@stereophonic.space
2022-06-24T02:32:48.542718Z
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@genmaicha Goals tbh
(DIR) Post #AKnewh6KNRKvUeWCJs by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-24T02:44:23.877600Z
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@skadi @salarua i've seen it on tg too
(DIR) Post #AKnfLmxbjGuQuCPCkq by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-24T02:48:57.241281Z
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@skadi eh i feel that tech people inevitably conclude that world is code. code is the way to describe things. everything is just information. descriptive object without subject. sign without interpreter. it would be cool if coding were seen as an act of creation, imbuing a material with your will. but that is too impractical to happen so you'll only have a couple chaotes who use gpt in their sigils.
(DIR) Post #AKnfaPHS3L6zo6eqTA by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-24T02:51:32.030763Z
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@skadi plus good coders hate computers. cursed profession if you ask me.
(DIR) Post #AKnfduMExssd3nZEYq by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2022-06-24T02:52:15.409439Z
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@georgia @skadi >good coders hate computersOnly the ones who use shitty mainstream languages
(DIR) Post #AKng1wC9mk97i0JDhw by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-24T02:56:34.004544Z
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@nyx @skadi the ones who aren't poor or in academia yeah
(DIR) Post #AKngPMyEOvM1PZy7EG by nyx@social.xenofem.me
2022-06-24T03:00:50.564066Z
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@georgia @skadi I am both poor and not in academia (didn't even study CS in uni) and don't hate computers. I hate how the parasitic wreckers in the tech industry have forced their shitty systems onto the profession of programming and even influenced what people learn in CS programs, but this isn't the fault of computers. There are many examples of beautiful and visionary programming languages/programs/OSes that fulfill the vision of computers being a "bicycle for the mind", but sadly as with many other things we are forced to deal with gimped shitty versions of everything because the worst solutions seem to always win out
(DIR) Post #AKngo8gycmDUMri1aK by skadi@stereophonic.space
2022-06-24T03:05:16.748723Z
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@georgia I feel like that's more because a lot of tech people are into nerd and IFL soyence culture rather than an inevitable result of programming computers>it would be cool if coding were seen as an act of creation, imbuing a material with your willThat's what I love about it, especially with really dynamic and malleable languages like Common Lisp. Literally devising incantations to bend the spirits that inhabit this fantastically complex megastructure into enacting my will
(DIR) Post #AKnhFsezpAcsko0jIG by skadi@stereophonic.space
2022-06-24T03:10:11.127843Z
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@Arcana @georgia I lost that feeling when I went to uni and entered my foss bro phase, but I've really started to rediscover it in the past few months; it's a wonderful feeling
(DIR) Post #AKnhZEcKPfVkM1zXjk by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-24T03:13:48.740667Z
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@nyx @skadi yeah i can imagine hobbyist coding stuff can be very beautiful
(DIR) Post #AKnhdETMtNhX43htCa by inference@plr.inferencium.net
2022-06-24T03:14:32.621519Z
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@nyx @georgia @skadi This has never been put so perfectly.
(DIR) Post #AKnhnNhdQhr0aSDfGa by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-24T03:16:21.980799Z
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@skadi @Arcana sounds like a neat headspace. i'd like to learn a language for the purpose of sys admin stuff so like shell or lua
(DIR) Post #AKnhuVJTX79oDWJbyS by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-24T03:17:38.659728Z
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@Arcana @skadi isn't perl the one with the one liners
(DIR) Post #AKnhvkv2znxmuLUCjA by shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu
2022-06-24T03:16:58.189020Z
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@georgia @skadi that's backwards. computability theory and the accompanying theoretical work (gödel, church, turing, etc) was about behaviour in the actual world, how to classify behaviours and delimit the boundaries of what things are possible and impossible. modern programming and computers are just cool stuff it was finally possible to build after figuring that out, after banishing platonist dualism and replacing it with constructivist monism
(DIR) Post #AKniuS7vTnAqHzS7jk by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-24T03:28:48.859054Z
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@shmibs @skadi i'm referring to how programming changes peoples minds not saying computability theory or type theory or related are new. it's a way of describing reality which itself is a truth, but the way its disciples cling to it as descriptive truth is incompatible with mysticism. it's a bad kind of monism imo
(DIR) Post #AKnj39bfhsERSKVzQu by mia@movsw.0x0.st
2022-06-24T03:28:09.603Z
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @skadi@stereophonic.space the real coder brainworm is conceit.programming languages and computer systems are complicated, and there are many pitfalls. it takes a lot of time and effort to learn all that. some people overdo it a little and become nerds. sometimes they let their knowledge and skills get to their heads, and believe that their understanding of technology somehow makes them just very competent in general. and they look at the world, its politics and conflicts, the media, human interaction—and think they understand it all.but programming languages and computer systems are not that complicated. anyone with the inclination could become a skilled computer toucher within a year or two. everything is (mostly) deterministic and there is a finite number of concepts to learn.the real world is not like that.
(DIR) Post #AKnj3A1u8LDQlgmwK0 by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-24T03:30:24.674702Z
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@mia @skadi tech without hubris, imagine that. transhumanism wouldn't exist
(DIR) Post #AKnj9IEoWpKbxlkcCW by skadi@stereophonic.space
2022-06-24T03:31:29.612426Z
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@mia @georgia >sometimes they let their knowledge and skills get to their heads, and believe that their understanding of technology somehow makes them just very competent in general.Ugh, I used to be guilty of doing this a lot, it's so frustrating how common it is
(DIR) Post #AKnjDow4tuJGX297Vg by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-24T03:32:20.228533Z
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@skadi @mia you're like 20 so you get a pass
(DIR) Post #AKnjw3Uy7NT2RHYhZw by mia@movsw.0x0.st
2022-06-24T03:31:53.231Z
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@skadi@stereophonic.space @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz i mean same lol
(DIR) Post #AKnkVggMQS846IsUWO by shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu
2022-06-24T03:45:51.753043Z
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@georgia @skadi well i mean it's just a certain collection of mathematical notations for describing the world. you can always invent another one but, if church turing holds, it should either be equivalent or wrong. for something categorically different you'd have to like dump information conservation and so give up on causality altogether; otherwise it's just a palette swap
(DIR) Post #AKnmJm4kkNcBGGjanw by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-24T04:06:59.236605Z
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@shmibs @skadi it's descriptivism itself i take issue with. it's a limiting perspective. we can be described as information so it can be said we are merely information. not the whole truth and definitely not conducive to mysticism which is the subject of op.
(DIR) Post #AKnnvauomy3zbggY4G by shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu
2022-06-24T04:24:09.875118Z
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@georgia @skadi sorry if this discussion is no fun, but don't understand what that could mean other than yeh, saying "stuff just happens for no reason". like if there's order/causality to something then it can be described and so should be implementable in a turing machine or whatevertell me to shut up if annoying, though XX
(DIR) Post #AKo2v6BkWskZcapIrw by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-06-24T07:12:54.390418Z
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@skadi dammit! That’s “I have”, not “I hate” :blobcatfacepalm:
(DIR) Post #AKoQD2Ljq4KnsE1NU8 by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-24T11:33:58.904261Z
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@shmibs @skadi oh i genuinely think causality and time are spooks of sports. it's not required to be fun!
(DIR) Post #AKoQQjnlb2DQP0fFXk by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2022-06-24T11:36:28.264687Z
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@shmibs @skadi i get your point and the thing is i'm not saying information worldview is "wrong", but it is limiting
(DIR) Post #AKok8yEpBJox2y7rLE by teledyn@mastodon.social
2022-06-24T14:57:45Z
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@skadi I rather think, based on my observations of the state of the industry, that it's more like...
(DIR) Post #AKqpLFRHsFt1ClG7g8 by nodefunallowed@mas.to
2022-06-25T06:22:53Z
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@shmibs @georgia @skadi FWIW Carl Hewitt insists the Actor model can model non-determinism that e.g. lambda calculus and Turing machines cannot; I guess as actors express concurrency whereas the others do not, but I haven't read too much into the topic.
(DIR) Post #AKqpLG3DbEEB6P0Pnk by nodefunallowed@mas.to
2022-06-25T06:33:59Z
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@shmibs @georgia @skadi So at the least, you could carve programming languages into the sequential kind and the concurrent kind, and the latter has non-determinism the former lacks. You can still arrange for a simulation of the latter on the former, but the simulation will be deterministic. Similarly any execution on a real computer will pick a deterministic execution ordering (though the ordering is arbitrary, and can vary between runs) so idk how it affects what you can model/compute exactly.
(DIR) Post #AKqpLGbbXNjWp35sOm by shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu
2022-06-25T15:24:02.420796Z
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@nodefunallowed @georgia @skadi it doesn't affect it at all. assuming the issue is about "concurrent threads may terminate and return results in an unpredictable order", it's equivalent to just reading a "random variable" (local temperature fluctuation or something) and using thatof course, in the actual machine you should have output patterns more predictable than "just random", and to match those you could always implement the computer itself inside another computer. no computing power lost; only runtime efficiency, like using a more or less efficient algorithm to calculate the same thingas long as you have information conservation (= causality) then everything is by necessity deterministic and can be implemented in a turing-complete runtimeand the only places non-conservation of information (= stuff just happens for no reason = getting energy for free from nothing or energy disappearing into the void) are still wondered about are in cosmology (where naive reading of universal expansion seems non-conserving) and quantum mechanics (where conservation is its central tenet, required for all calculations, but then in copenhagen (not the only interpretation but still sort of a no-thought default) it gets thrown out the window as soon as you "measure" something, = strong emergence = incoherent (saying information both is and isn't transferred, i.e. dualism) ).
(DIR) Post #AKrLf4iGezv8GNhR44 by zens@merveilles.town
2022-06-24T08:12:11Z
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@skadi where’s the estrogen pills?
(DIR) Post #AKrLf5RdwIDUX6vfn6 by skadi@stereophonic.space
2022-06-25T21:27:10.345323Z
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@zens >taking estrogen pills>not taking the connection of mares' urine and ergot brewed under the waning moon by shrouded priestessesngmi
(DIR) Post #AKtMOj7Q3b9ZjJPOAi by liam@shitposter.club
2022-06-26T20:44:53.823742Z
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@georgia @skadi @shmibs I've got to admit causality being "a thing" because it is whatever RCTs study
(DIR) Post #ALxUw7P2k8KVE5BYZ6 by ryancoordinator@fosstodon.org
2022-07-28T18:06:37Z
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@skadi YES!and also https://archive.org/details/unix-magic-poster-gary-overcare-1
(DIR) Post #ALxUxv2DhMcbRjMuXY by skadi@stereophonic.space
2022-07-28T18:31:48.487246Z
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@ryancoordinator Those posters are fun, I'd love a Lisp version
(DIR) Post #ALxZF5nTL0mNZ1umdU by Placholdr@qoto.org
2022-07-28T19:05:01Z
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@Arcana @georgia @skadi the reasons im learning programming and computing in general is really to extend my mind tbh.I do project euler stuff for fun and all that, but it doesnt really get me anwhere in life, it just makes me better at doing said probems.i dont really care about creating anything i just want to do stuff that make me smarter and stuff.just useless sidepiece if you dont want to read it.
(DIR) Post #ALxZOpzkwZUXS2J7dg by skadi@stereophonic.space
2022-07-28T19:21:29.515966Z
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@Placholdr I kind of get that, for me it's more about designing computer systems to act as external brains, handling all the stuff like maths, distance communication, and verbatim recording that I'm bad at @Arcana @georgia
(DIR) Post #ALxZZWWxeVOwGivzIu by Placholdr@qoto.org
2022-07-28T19:01:13Z
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@skadi @ryancoordinator sicp cover