Post AKVTKoXVnYHMvXpgfI by kosmoplan@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AKTUhORTrqBC20aiLQ by Gina@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T09:15:22Z
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Update. I bought glass straws so I can drink #coffee again. About to have my first sip after a week long detox 😁
(DIR) Post #AKTUjHzuncF8cgbMlE by Gina@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T09:15:43Z
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Life is good again ☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️
(DIR) Post #AKTUm2nPm6qiLR4IW8 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-06-14T09:16:14Z
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@Gina Why do you need a straw to drink coffee, let alone a glass one ?
(DIR) Post #AKTV3DwRaZsNpqU2wy by Gina@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T09:19:20Z
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@freemo Because I just did a week of teeth whitening. Don't want to stain them again. Also I'm not sure if paper or plastic straws are good in hot coffee.Even though this will still stain the back of my teeth. Worth it.
(DIR) Post #AKTV84yeLVUPTqpYg4 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-06-14T09:20:12Z
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@Gina plastic is probably fine in coffee, but yea that makes sense :)
(DIR) Post #AKTVBNadbJ5c4kAmDA by Gina@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T09:20:47Z
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@freemo Plus, these are infinitely reusable as well.
(DIR) Post #AKTVL5P64TYWZHP3nk by freemo@qoto.org
2022-06-14T09:22:33Z
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@Gina That is true, but plastics are weird in that they are a secondary product. So by not buying it you dont really reduce the rate they are produced. Even if no one bought plastic the plastic would still be produced and just thrown away never seeing use since its a byproduct of other primary processes.
(DIR) Post #AKTVQX86PknO0S3GEq by Gina@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T09:23:32Z
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@freemo Ah crap :(
(DIR) Post #AKTVZbkUbrR0wGKr6O by Gina@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T09:25:10Z
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I will say that I'll limit my coffee intake from 2 to a single cup every morning. I think I felt less wired this week.
(DIR) Post #AKTW0ZdCah4mBpmds0 by lasombra@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T09:30:03Z
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@Gina Life finds a way
(DIR) Post #AKTWwZJLwHsXzc9ZBI by FreePietje@x0f.org
2022-06-14T09:40:32Z
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@Gina Why not go straight for the 'infuus' (intravenous) solution? ;-P(btw: I don't think straws make a meaningful change)
(DIR) Post #AKTWyz516PXSUabEf2 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T09:40:59Z
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@FreePietje Why not?
(DIR) Post #AKTXDKcPopTzLc3xdw by FreePietje@x0f.org
2022-06-14T09:43:33Z
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@Gina Because it still ends up in your mouth.If it went straight into your 'strot' (dunno English word), then it would be fine (I think).
(DIR) Post #AKTXMAJvTcIy0xcvuC by Gina@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T09:45:08Z
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@FreePietje from what I've noticed I think it works in keeping the coffee from the front of your teeth. It'll still stain the back of course (I'm drinking water in between and immediately brushing my teeth after).
(DIR) Post #AKTXfD4VTIhU38UnKq by FreePietje@x0f.org
2022-06-14T09:48:36Z
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@GinaI *could* be wrong.But I'm quite sure it'll also get mingled with your saliva f.e.It's not so simple as the liquid not directly touching your teeth on intake
(DIR) Post #AKTXt1GUAKu1UAgRqi by humanetech@mastodon.social
2022-06-14T09:51:03Z
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@Gina ☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕🍏☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕🍏☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕🍏☕☕☕☕🍏☕☕☕🍏☕☕☕☕☕☕🍏☕🍏☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕🍏☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕
(DIR) Post #AKTYqI9T1ZuQwcfEcy by FreePietje@x0f.org
2022-06-14T10:01:46Z
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@Gina @freemo I applaud you for using glass straws. 👍 We should reduce the production of plastics (drastically) and a great way to do that is decreasing the demand. https://x0f.org/@FreePietje/108398848090304179
(DIR) Post #AKTZEyoU3romCtcaye by freemo@qoto.org
2022-06-14T10:06:14Z
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@FreePietje The problem is since plastic is a secondary product off nonrenewable sources (natural gas and gasoline) you have no impact on reducing production by reducing consumption of plastics directly. You'd have to stop the production of gasoline and natural gas to have that outcome.@Gina
(DIR) Post #AKTZecHUSSAzr0PhIW by gabriel@toot.cafe
2022-06-14T10:10:53Z
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@Gina You're such an addict 😂 Finding workarounds so you can have your fix haha
(DIR) Post #AKTaGxO4QyoOJkm144 by jinxd@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T10:17:50Z
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@Gina Life is too short, to drink coffee through a straw :)
(DIR) Post #AKTaPuFlSIwHCi9ifg by FreePietje@x0f.org
2022-06-14T10:19:27Z
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@freemo I only know that plastics are made from oil. But I have a hard time believing that it would have *no* impact (at all).Plastic production is still production with its own emissions (f.e.) and the result, plastic, is FAR more harmful then most people (seem to) realize.It's really bad for the environment and affects/infects the whole food chain and thereby also ends up in human bodies.Also, I'm fine with keeping (more) fossil fuels in the ground ;-) @Gina
(DIR) Post #AKTajd0pGaftWXZYgK by freemo@qoto.org
2022-06-14T10:22:59Z
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@FreePietje If no one bought any plastic at all then you'd have a plastic-like liquid waste that would come from gas refineries and similar sources. This slurry would have all the harm of plastic and just skip the consumer and go straight to the dump.This, I'd argue, is in fact **worse** than people not buying the plastic at all since the overall volume of waste is the same regardless. The difference is that if people dont buy the plastic (which at least for a time keeps it out of the trash) then other products need to be produced to fill that need as well. So take plastic straws being replaced with glass ones, you have the same plastic waste being produced by buying a glass straw, but now you have the additional burden of a glass straw being produced on top of that.@Gina
(DIR) Post #AKTbKGbXXcQmk3DRhY by FreePietje@x0f.org
2022-06-14T10:29:37Z
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@freemo > This slurry would have all the harm of plastic and just skip the consumer and go straight to the dump.I'm doubtful of the claims you make, but I don't have better insights to counter (most of) it.But going straight to the dump itself is already a win. Then it won't end up in the environment and oceans and (severely) affecting life everywhere and ending up in our food chain.That is *quite* a big win already.@Gina
(DIR) Post #AKTbQxmXvAowOMYayO by clacke@libranet.de
2022-06-14T10:30:24Z
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@freemo @Gina @FreePietje Easy. Buy less plastic and buy less gasoline.For the situations where we cannot avoid liquid fuel, like airliners, people are working on other sources than fossil fuel.
(DIR) Post #AKTbRThLG3fhNUMtIu by freemo@qoto.org
2022-06-14T10:30:56Z
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@FreePietje Yes if properly handled and making it to the dump is one small positive aspect. But the downsides as I mentioned dont really make up for that, as now we are mass producing all the objects plastics used to server without reducing the plastic waste itself.@Gina
(DIR) Post #AKTbZWxuzgQbpOxfv6 by freemo@qoto.org
2022-06-14T10:32:23Z
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@clacke Actually just buy less gasoline and non-renewable fuels, the production of plastic will automatically reduce regardless of its demand (the cost to make it as a primary product would be prohibitive and it just wont be made even if there is demand since the price would be enormous).@FreePietje @Gina
(DIR) Post #AKTcR5gicuwyrlSKgK by clacke@libranet.de
2022-06-14T10:42:02Z
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@freemo Either way it's money into the same machine. Buy less of one, the other gets more expensive.I agree with @FreePietje ; If you are correct about plastic being the inevitable side-product, a big solid block of plastic in the landfill must be better than a thousand little trinkets, packagings, device parts etc sent all over the world.There's also the further energy use and pollution from turning it into the many different consumer-grade types of plastic.@FreePietje @Gina
(DIR) Post #AKTcgbgHxYD4R0eZZQ by freemo@qoto.org
2022-06-14T10:44:52Z
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@clacke I'd argue the money into the machine isnt as important as the pollutants and where they go.The plastic slurry is liquid not solid usually (large/heavy alkanes and related chemicals). I do agree that if look in isolation it is better to throw that directly into the ground and regulate its disposal better. The problem is, as I stated, your offsetting that by now **also** replacing all the products made of plastic with things made from wood, glass, or metal which all have their own economic and enviromental costs with it as well. @FreePietje @Gina
(DIR) Post #AKTcpTlckjHIUpNbFI by ericbuijs@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T10:46:30Z
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@freemo This is not true. Plastics (or polymers) are made from monomers. The most common monomer is ethene or ethylene which is a flammable gas and not a 'plastic like liquid waste'. Ethene is produced by a process called steam cracking where large hydrocarbons from the petrochemical industry are first converted into ethane. If plastics were not produced the large hydrocarbons could be used for other purposes (like gasoline). @FreePietje @Gina
(DIR) Post #AKTd64H2mzEMLxzCwS by freemo@qoto.org
2022-06-14T10:49:28Z
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@ericbuijs Yes I explained this, long chain alkanes mostly as I said. Those long chain alkanes are a liquid as they arnt usually "cracked" except when making plastics and also why I pointed out natural gas can be used too.@FreePietje @Gina
(DIR) Post #AKTdISYeKNe58y870a by FreePietje@x0f.org
2022-06-14T10:51:42Z
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@freemo @clacke As @Gina already said, the glass straw can be used again and again.And when the time comes to replace it, glass *can* be recycled, which is ~ impossible with plastics as described by the (indirect) link I shared in my initial response.
(DIR) Post #AKTdSXrjRrH2V8rg1Y by freemo@qoto.org
2022-06-14T10:53:32Z
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@FreePietje Doesnt change my point.. the plastic waste is created regardless. Adding on top of that another thing that needs to be produced to replace it, no matter how renewable, doesnt change the fact that not only do we have the same waste being produced but now we also have the waste produced from an additional product to replace it.Yes glass straws are nicer than paper since glass straws can be reused, but this isnt helping matters when its a new source of waste just added on top of the plastic waste.@clacke @Gina
(DIR) Post #AKTdgysjncs6LRDcLg by tfb@functional.cafe
2022-06-14T10:56:08Z
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@Gina very nice maté aesthetic!
(DIR) Post #AKTgWTqUdVNN3Qqy0m by gnomon@mastodon.social
2022-06-14T11:27:48Z
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@freemo @FreePietje @clacke hey folks, this is an interesting conversation but maybe consider untagging @/Gina@fosstodon.org so she isn't spammed by the entire thread?
(DIR) Post #AKTgfyFIyibPwez5Jw by freemo@qoto.org
2022-06-14T11:29:34Z
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@gnomon I'd be happy to but usually I wait until the person requests it.For starters we have no idea if she is interested in the thread or not, so best to have her ask.Second, you can just right click the thread and select "mute conversation" so its really never needed in the first place.That said if she asks I'd have no problem doing that.@FreePietje @clacke
(DIR) Post #AKThZJ5hB8YWWPsMBU by hyperreal@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T11:39:35Z
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@Gina Heck yeah!
(DIR) Post #AKThdAVV2ECr3emq5Q by ericbuijs@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T11:40:17Z
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@freemo My point is that there is no slurry that ends up as waste if we don't make plastics out of them. If no plastics was made out of oil or natural gas it could (and would) be used for any number of other purposes like fuel or lubricant. Such is the beauty of organic chemistry.And contrary to what you wrote even if you want to make plastic you first have to crack the long hydrocarbons to create ethane (C2H6) and then the monomer ethylene (C2H4). @FreePietje @Gina
(DIR) Post #AKTi61pCOVxMWolKfQ by freemo@qoto.org
2022-06-14T11:45:29Z
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@ericbuijs I didnt get into the cracking process, so not really contrary, but yes, you'd have to crack the wastes and do some things to them before they appear as plastics.As for the waste going to other users, yes and no. Most of the uses of long-chain hydrocarbons are all secondary products like plastic, so really doesnt change the equation much here, most of them are even single use. So really no matter how you dice it, even if you can keep it out of going direct to the landfill, the general idea is the same, and that is, dont use plastic and you havent done much of anything, those chemicals still get made and either thrown away or used for something, many such things being even worse for the environment (such as lubricans which generally tend to get out into the environment).@FreePietje @Gina
(DIR) Post #AKTi8N0uaMTwp8MEYS by Gina@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T11:45:56Z
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@freemo @ericbuijs @FreePietje Yall I just wanted to drink coffee.
(DIR) Post #AKTrmkg6v60vO9xTu4 by bocan@mastodon.technology
2022-06-14T13:34:04Z
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@Gina - I'm curious, does that not burn your lips?
(DIR) Post #AKTs2rEgJ4f4MNoBLU by Gina@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T13:36:58Z
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@bocan hahah no its not that hot.
(DIR) Post #AKTtDL4oJX1Pl9kksq by Cambria@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T13:50:04Z
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@Gina ☕☕☕☕☕☕😬
(DIR) Post #AKUPXYxtaFnR9uCpzk by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T19:52:14Z
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@Gina ew coffee through a straw just seems wrong.
(DIR) Post #AKUPw3WRclOwse2rb6 by maplemuse@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T19:56:43Z
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@kev @Gina I'd be concerned that it would cool the coffee too much. Coffee is supposed to be hot. :)
(DIR) Post #AKUQrT6Are88gxVSs4 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T20:07:05Z
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@maplemuse @kev I'd rather have cold coffee than no coffee 😅
(DIR) Post #AKUR0TBntcBfa0Qq7E by maplemuse@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T20:08:43Z
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@Gina @kev I guess there is that. At least a glass straw isn't going to actively suck all the heat out like a metal straw would. And yes, it must have been difficult going without coffee for awhile.
(DIR) Post #AKUW73LMt6S5Dbrd4a by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T21:05:54Z
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@kev @Gina After a week of no coffee I'd lick the coffee stain off my desk if that was the only way to get it.
(DIR) Post #AKUaACwI4H0BfDtTv6 by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T21:51:19Z
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@mike @Gina 😂😂😂
(DIR) Post #AKUbQwETXIkkj4wQPw by joel@benign.town
2022-06-14T22:05:33Z
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@Gina I know right lolAt least nobody is getting cancelled xD
(DIR) Post #AKUbc1scsY4bQY0gsa by joel@benign.town
2022-06-14T22:07:34Z
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@Gina Soo, when are we getting a profile pic with the new whitened smile? :P
(DIR) Post #AKVTKoXVnYHMvXpgfI by kosmoplan@fosstodon.org
2022-06-15T08:09:31Z
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@GinaBut, aren't teeth affected also with straws? 🤔
(DIR) Post #AKVUgzNMI2CCrODluy by Gina@fosstodon.org
2022-06-15T08:24:42Z
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@kosmoplan yeah the back sort of. I'm constantly drinking water and immediately brushing my teeth after.