Post AKU5Do7vVMCDJ7CURE by sickburnbro@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #AKTP5drXaSr957xa2y by josh@kiwifarms.cc
2022-06-14T08:12:29.717406Z
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I wrote this as a reply via email but maybe others will find it interesting.Tidbits about America's history with gold, silver, the Federal Reserve, and Fiat.
(DIR) Post #AKTPESb8pzkwkfUhvc by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2022-06-14T08:14:09.961811Z
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@josh Borruso!https://archive.secondspring.co.uk/articles/borruso.htm
(DIR) Post #AKTSy2Mj09UqZnAvqa by milk@poa.st
2022-06-14T08:56:00.259873Z
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@josh The takeaway: these people who have the power and control over “money” and its value will never stop in making sure you stay poor and they stay rich; there is no political solution.
(DIR) Post #AKTcUAqvsfbpkkhgcS by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T10:42:39.947815Z
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Clearly money is too important to be trusted to politicians. Gold is a good solution to this problem since gold is gold. They can't magic it out of nowhere and it's supply is limited.Crypto is potentially a better solution since it allows for innovation and competition.Either way we need to learn the lesson that allowing politicians the power to rule commerce is disastrous and begging for bad actors to take over the political system.
(DIR) Post #AKTdIA11Gg37dSG05g by Salastil@pleroma.salastil.com
2022-06-14T10:51:40.973369Z
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@josh The Brettpn Woods system collapsed because Kennedy and LBJ let the gold reserves deplete because of spending on NASA, Great Society, and Vietnam, France orchestrated a strike and called in a large conversion when Nixon was President and he had no gold on hand to convert such an order. Negotiations to a new rate failed and the system collapsed. Gold bugs just cannot comprehend that nations are largely incapable of keeping a proper gold reserve on hand, its always the same fucking story when the outcome ends up the same way "well that wasn't a real gold standard."
(DIR) Post #AKTf7GSRAwOAL30uKu by colonelj@kiwifarms.cc
2022-06-14T11:12:08.341620Z
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@josh >Wikipedia as a sourceoh no no no Josh
(DIR) Post #AKTlA5fkKaF3TwyAxk by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T12:19:52.377577Z
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@josh There's a reason we spent a thousand years executing usurers
(DIR) Post #AKTlH5DkPNik6nCwZk by null@poa.st
2022-06-14T12:21:08.738587Z
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@Godcast @josh Perhaps we return to tradition?
(DIR) Post #AKTm5Z91QVjROX4MlM by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T12:30:15.956875Z
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@Godcast @josh to some degree, talking about usury is a great way to get started with normie republicans, because charging people 30% on credit card debt doesn't actually match with their internal conception of "capitalism" and they also think that a) you should only buy what you need but more importantly b) you should be able to buy food and gasoline necessary to live.Critical to this entire stack is b) here, which has only been recently activated. Before they could cope that people could all afford things you need to live and all those people drowning in credit card debt were buying 80" flatscreens or something
(DIR) Post #AKTmoOOiEKW35wmdXc by laconicif@thebag.social
2022-06-14T12:38:18.001172Z
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Number 1. is interesting, but appears to apply to the states specifically, although there could be context I’m missing:https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S10-C1-1-2/ALDE_00001098/No State shall … make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts
(DIR) Post #AKTn6FriguTlqTrvwe by WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2022-06-14T12:41:34.841654Z
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@josh Another point is that, in the 70s, we had a very nasty economic outlook due to the removal of Bretton Woods reducing global dollar demand, which is why Kissinger's negotiations with the Saudis to establish the petrodollar was so important. We still felt the pinch in the intervening 70s/80s as the establishment of the system helped lead to the gas crisis, but when it got traction the "good times" were rolling again.
(DIR) Post #AKTnBzpvCQZNrzlWZE by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T12:42:37.818991Z
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Debates over usury are a cul de sac: Essentially it's just a request for things to be more "fair." Most of these problems happen when people give the government power to regulate "fairness." Politicians love vague mandates like that because they can be turned into anything they need it to.Adults need to remember that the world is not fair, no one owes them fairness and the government sure as hell isn't going to give it to them. The *only* way they're going to get a better deal is massive amounts of competition and even then it might not be what they consider fair. Governments cannot provide competition, they can only ever take it away.
(DIR) Post #AKTnRaQVRNoXhCJNho by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2022-06-14T12:45:22.338315Z
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I recall reading an essay on this, apparently the "nothing but gold and silver legal tender" was a point of a lot of discussion, it was understood that the constitution would allow the federal govt to issue paper money, but not the states - and some people were angry about this because they wanted to abolish paper money entirely.Mostly the constitution was not completely ignored, just the meanings were bent a lot (ye olde Commerce Clause).Under FDR the constitution was completely ignored, because he interfered with the court.
(DIR) Post #AKTpiUtdSFtRNL7zyC by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:10:54.797086Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh That's a cute take, until you recognize that that the overwhelming majority of people are actually not even a little bit rational nor informed economic actors. Usury is a "market solution" in the same way heroin is. Regardless of the amount of "market competition," usury has no actual value and serves only to deprive people of their wealth. If you want a concrete example of why usury deserves the death penalty, look no further than student loans.
(DIR) Post #AKTpv11bpLMCUmpK8O by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:13:10.871333Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @josh lot of guys have conservative priors.And to them, I ask: What do you think the purpose of a government is, but to make the world more fair?A big coordiated group of people from another land coming and stealing your shit because your'e an individual isn't very fair, is it?
(DIR) Post #AKTq28ac6IOLz3b0QC by josh@kiwifarms.cc
2022-06-14T13:14:23.122053Z
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@sickburnbro @Godcast bro I just found out one of my ccs I don't use has a 27% APR. I thought it was a fucking typo. Luckily I have a credit union with a rate that's way more reasonable.
(DIR) Post #AKTq5BicvG6OYdnZeS by runescape@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:11:35.218576Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh good post
(DIR) Post #AKTqCs2by2v1qSoFt2 by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:16:24.504047Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh Usury is only tolerated for as long as growth is infinite (because of hydrocarbons). It's a euphemism for burning oil.
(DIR) Post #AKTqO5yQVV7eF2Cjzc by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:18:25.832306Z
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People misuse that term "rational" in order to strawman and suggest free market economists argue everyone always makes the best choice all the time. Of course they don't, they're human. Darwinism is not a bad thing and if you try to protect everyone from their mistakes you will only succeed in becoming a hated tyrant who makes different mistakes instead.As for "usury" (aka interest) having no purpose, again, you're wrong. Time has value. If you want a loan for ten years you need to compensate me for the other uses I could have been putting that money to. Risk is also a cost. If there is a possibility you won't pay me back then you will have to compensate me for that risk. Until that ceases to be true there will always be interest, and if those costs are higher than you think they should be then tough titty, sometimes life is hard.Student loans are a hilarious example for your argument, they're purely a product of state intervention. The student loan market could not exist unless it were backed by state guarantees. If those were taken away then most student loans given out today simply would not be granted.
(DIR) Post #AKTqUhGImbRRcuiI8e by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:19:37.746655Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh "there's no promise of growth for next year, it looks like it's going to be worse actually, I can't pay this outrageous interest that the man in the funny hat is charging me. Shouldn't be too hard to get some friends who owe him money too and get him to leave for good."
(DIR) Post #AKTqkFj0vrCUr7YpjE by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:22:26.488230Z
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I'd feel bad if it was some illiterate peasant who doesn't understand what interest is, but these days everyone learned how compound interest works when they were 12. If you know all that and *still* try to live off your credit card then you're a fucking idiot and don't deserve protection.
(DIR) Post #AKTqnSmmpRScERr9jk by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:23:01.219890Z
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@sickburnbro @Eiregoat @josh I would say the government exists to enforce order, and that's going to vary between people groups. Even without tiny hat gang, usury is still cancer to order as it produces nothing of value and concentrates wealth in the hands of the unproductive
(DIR) Post #AKTqoZhsaBX9zD5iAS by runescape@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:16:53.585232Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh burn the oil,
(DIR) Post #AKTqovS1jnvRQPqMVs by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:23:17.138803Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @Godcast @Eiregoat @josh exactly. it quickly becomes "what the fuck is he doing to deserve a profit with no risk"
(DIR) Post #AKTqrqdI6nTzLlVPhQ by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:23:48.797647Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast 50% of the country can't read at a 6th grade level.
(DIR) Post #AKTqxSrrNZubNizxiq by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:24:49.736621Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro >it was different before, people are literate and know how money works so fuck themEveryone did NOT learn how compound interest works when they were 12 and to imply they're literate as far as money/credit goes is extremely optimistic
(DIR) Post #AKTr26WXsdzFX1F0U4 by runescape@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:25:26.655891Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro "Who prints money?"... the government..?"???
(DIR) Post #AKTr4k85bBs0wf3n8K by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:26:06.066342Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast The history of modern banking is the history of slimy business practices.Look into, for example, why some of the credit card laws are the way they are on the books.
(DIR) Post #AKTr5NmWAoNlvLH840 by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:26:09.376000Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh parasites aren't necessary
(DIR) Post #AKTr9OQ7jxQ93ziGEC by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:26:59.150821Z
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That's the point though. Interest exists because lending is risky. Even the best debtor in the world might fall under a bus.The real problem happens when banks bribe the government to cover their risk for them. That's when you get the absolutely insane shit we're living through now. The 2008 crash happened because the government used Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure the mortgage business was risk free for banks, so the banks made a bunch of trash loans and left the taxpayer with the cost.Now they're back to doing exactly the same thing, but they're doing it with student loans too.
(DIR) Post #AKTrIP3mjOhReaYoW8 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:28:36.812848Z
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Finance is necessary as an industry. Fundamentally what it does is it takes unused resources and tries to put them in the hands of people who are capable of using them. Or at least it used to back in the savings and loans day, nowadays it's essentially just central planning with extra steps.
(DIR) Post #AKTrL7Rgg5drtN2H68 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:29:06.295792Z
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Agreed.
(DIR) Post #AKTrPEUgPkYSuVOlfc by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:29:50.743411Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost a unsecured loan is risky. a secured loan is only risky when the world is on fire.
(DIR) Post #AKTrTNp7fWbr0JwDi4 by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:30:35.701214Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh I wouldn't go as far as death, but I would make the lenders' lives a living hell, just like Nehemiah (Chapter 5) did when (((lenders))) abused the poor and farmers in Judah.
(DIR) Post #AKTraFGRtFzmU8zXo8 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:31:49.048876Z
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> Everyone did NOT learn how compound interest works when they were 12Maybe I'm wrong, where I live it's one of the first things that gets taught after basic arithmetic.> and to imply they're literate as far as money/credit goes is extremely optimisticThen we badly need a cull. White people got to where we are by being self sufficient and responsible for ourselves as adults. The ones who couldn't plan for winter didn't reproduce.Same goes for making shitty decisions with their money, the result should be failure, not being insulated from any possible negative effects of their choices.
(DIR) Post #AKTrlOD8y0vpPzlA5g by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:33:51.128451Z
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A secured loan is still risky because the bank then has to try to turn the securing asset back into a liquid one.Anyhow, what are you suggesting, that loans should be free? The result of that will be that there will be no loans and unused resources will just gather dust.
(DIR) Post #AKTrpogMUP6qfxXMfo by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:34:39.051535Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro This reads jewishly
(DIR) Post #AKTrqpJrbdXwwQUmqu by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:34:50.020427Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @Ottovonshitpost >Anyhow, what are you suggesting, that loans should be free?Usury was a crime punishable by death in Europe for a thousand years and yet Europe had a very intricate system of banking for that entire time.
(DIR) Post #AKTrriuGvyLlLGx8jo by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:34:59.729077Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast I think you are either a bit older or from a part of the country that did not deteroriate as fast.Not many places had home ec and those related classes past the 1980s.
(DIR) Post #AKTrtvOnSVZkfKHRCK by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:35:23.637248Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast as I said, conservative priors.
(DIR) Post #AKTrzABvt7OXzXlFlg by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:36:20.497714Z
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I learned that in math class in the mid 90s. It was part of the lesson on percentages, we learned how to calculate simple and compound interest.Pain in the ass to do it out by hand but no one in that class can say they weren't warned.
(DIR) Post #AKTs0U0Phku5jZ0DCK by MeBigbrain@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:36:34.738720Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro In jewish school, compound interest is elementary-level
(DIR) Post #AKTs2SDPKfmulC1JOC by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:36:56.063855Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro I think we will be okay without it.I'm willing to accept economic inefficiency if it means we don't have to live with a parasitic merchant class
(DIR) Post #AKTs353qu8JlEqqjPU by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:37:02.432342Z
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Okay.
(DIR) Post #AKTs83T0G9Rbk2zANE by anonmoose90@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:37:56.950184Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro I used to work retail in middle TN….most people don’t even understand extremely rudimentary basic economics or finance. I saw this doc in 2009 and it changed my life.youtu.be/W5yfTAFzYz4
(DIR) Post #AKTsBGNCjK32dgnqSm by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:38:29.122620Z
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@JSDorn @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh right the key here is that you must at a society level have something you optimize for. What we are seeing since probably the 1980s is optimizing for economic efficiency - and it sucks. It's anti-human, anti-animal, anti-planet and is driving everyone insane.
(DIR) Post #AKTsCx6VLO4xSInUVk by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:38:49.932879Z
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They still charged interest, they just defined a number beyond which it was considered "unfair."So if market conditions became risky for whatever reason (war, recession, civil unrest, plague, etc.) then lenders just stopped lending and anyone who needed a loan was told to eat dirt.
(DIR) Post #AKTsHhMzGpxA6Ylo1I by FederalAgent69@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:38:33.306324Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro >where I live it's one of the first things that gets taught after basic arithmeticWhat hasidic neighborhood did you grow up in?
(DIR) Post #AKTsHhrpQAcheDCR5k by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:39:41.115629Z
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Dublin. Although I was in waterford when I did that particular class. It's on the national curriculum, every kid does it.
(DIR) Post #AKTsK6JFW4Uq27AQNc by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:40:07.393391Z
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@Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @Ottovonshitpost as opposed to if market conditions become risky, the government gives banks boat loads of free money.
(DIR) Post #AKTsKUWtSzff9Njeym by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:40:11.701083Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro >fuck everyone who didn't learn the dark jewish financial arts, it's not my problem, they should die, play by the rules of the jewish money systemI'm not joking when I say this reads jewishly.
(DIR) Post #AKTsLDdVlEhd2wB52e by johnnyappleseed@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:40:18.970459Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro You’re overestimating how many people are financially literate.
(DIR) Post #AKTsODGZaos8lesO6y by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:40:52.049658Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast it's just an extended conservative cope for why boostrapping worked for them and a denial of looking at a systematic critique.
(DIR) Post #AKTsRRLngTtFJmrO1g by CenturianFrend@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:41:27.169862Z
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@sickburnbro @Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast >You should've learned cryptic jew magic when you were 12 like me!Uhh.... what?
(DIR) Post #AKTsTTWSa1HedKog8O by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:41:49.105459Z
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@johnnyappleseed @Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast I'm extremely financially literate and I dread trying to explain the CDS market to people.
(DIR) Post #AKTsXU2caqMpOtlrhA by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:42:32.644882Z
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That's the problem with technology, if it has the potential to give your society a massive upper hand then you can't just say "nah, I'll be fine without it," because that leaves you at the mercy of everyone who kept up with the times.I admire the amish, but the only reason they still exist is because they're in the middle of peaceful people willing to defend them.
(DIR) Post #AKTsYTIKr2BLNIam9o by Giga_Vril_Breaker@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:42:36.168452Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh I, for one, don't want to have to be an economics major with a lie detector and nose measuring equipment, to have just the bare 50-50 chance of being scammed out of my socks.
(DIR) Post #AKTse5ddilzzk9Ehg8 by James10550088@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:43:44.218996Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro *reads jewishly* is what I do in my head whenever i read a post by someone i expect to be a jew
(DIR) Post #AKTsjxSv1Lho8J1HVI by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:44:47.643007Z
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No. Local savings and loan institutions used to be the norm back in the 19th century. They worked pretty well for the most part, it's just financial matchmaking.- An elderly farmer wants to put something aside for when he retires- A young couple needs some capital to get their business going- The elderly farmer gives the young couple some cash, and in return they give him a steady income in his senesence.Savings and loans institutions just spread out the risk.
(DIR) Post #AKTsk4qDb7VD0ayUIC by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:44:48.633288Z
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@Eiregoat @JSDorn @josh @Godcast You actually don't know as much about the Amish as you might think.
(DIR) Post #AKTsoHKh62MquPEUtM by Giga_Vril_Breaker@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:45:34.835406Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro People have busy, depressed lives. You expect too much.
(DIR) Post #AKTsqqwRfs2XvX7OJE by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:46:02.499441Z
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Ok, fair enough, exception in your case. If you can't divide by a hundred and multiply by five then I agree you shouldn't be in control of your own money.
(DIR) Post #AKTsr9xUyBAiuIl05Y by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:46:05.864385Z
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@Eiregoat @FederalAgent69 @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro It's all making sense now. The Know-Nothings were right (not about women though lol)
(DIR) Post #AKTsueazWD6cnKtadM by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:46:43.284764Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn I'm well aware how these systems worked, but what I'm trying to have you look at is how those systems transitioned to the systems we have now, and the forced which intentionally caused this.
(DIR) Post #AKTsweN7JzgcgDMGDw by CenturianFrend@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:47:05.556891Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @FederalAgent69 @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro always a potatoe nigger behind every kike, it all makes sense now.
(DIR) Post #AKTswnUBR5gcwjjWzI by GLObalMARinePR@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:47:07.161260Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @Godcast Anti-usury laws are not a vague request at all, we had them for over a thousand years, including well over a hundred in this country. Furthermore, we used to have stronger bankruptcy protections for debtors, so even with the usury laws if they somehow managed to get in over their heads, they could get clear again.
(DIR) Post #AKTswsU0r9WMRegxuq by Bellerophon@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:47:08.063528Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Case study on the elements you're overlooking in this assessment. This creature and progeny not only don't understand interest, but are fundamentally incapable of understanding it. youtu.be/RBqjZ0KZCa0
(DIR) Post #AKTsyeye2fNr8Vryvw by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:47:22.777925Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @FederalAgent69 @josh @Godcast stop stealing content from Amerika, I'm going to tell.
(DIR) Post #AKTt08vIBnMoIl0bTs by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:47:43.291065Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @sickburnbro When I said "people aren't rational economic actors," I didn't mean "people sometimes make mistakes." I meant exactly what I said: rationality plays almost no part in the majority of economic decision-making. A person just slightly below average intelligence cannot wrap their head around a what-if statement. How are they supposed to understand compounding interest? You mention in another poast that "people are taught about interest when they're 12," which isn't even true. But assuming it was, they can be made to regurgitate a textbook definition, but do they actually *understand*? Obviously not, which is why credit card usage is out of control."Time has value" is a usurer's canard, and when applying the logic of usury to borrowing anything else, it falls apart. If I were to borrow your shovel for a landscaping project, would you expect both your shovel back (the principal of the loan) plus three garden trowels and a spoon (interest paid on the loan)? The canard further breaks down when you consider that in the overwhelming majority of cases *nothing else was being done with the money lent at interest.* In fact, that money is there for the specific purpose of being lent at interest. As far as risk is concerned, that's a very valid one, which is why collateral exists and why loaners should be careful about who they lend money to. What you're advocating for is that huge financial interests have an easier time fleecing ignorant rubes of their money, devaluing currency, raising the general price level through the easy availability of money, and that these already powerful financial institutions have to do even less work in vetting potential clients.You're under the mistaken impression that there's acrimony between government and powerful business interests. There isn't. In fact, even on a very libertarian view of government, the government would be obligated to enforce inescapable debt slavery because one role of government is the enforcement of contracts. If the contract signed by some ignorant rube who couldn't possibly understand the terms says there's no escaping the debt they owe, then there's no escaping the debt on a small-government view. As you say: tough titties.
(DIR) Post #AKTt14Vm4pPwuPW2l6 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:47:53.297768Z
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And I'm not joking when I say I don't care. Calculating a percentage is not an excessively harsh requirement for a literate adult. If we allow people who can't even do that to reproduce then that's the definition of dysgenics.
(DIR) Post #AKTt3ogHOIpcgDjpjc by FederalAgent69@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:46:37.252010Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro That makes sense, Ireland is a financial hideout for lots of crooked people and corporations. Good to see that in the fight between Catholics and Protestants that Ireland decided judaism was the best way to go.
(DIR) Post #AKTt5lwmWgvamRODku by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:48:44.394119Z
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Exactly. She is a perfect example of what happens when you protect people from failure.
(DIR) Post #AKTt5u2ORiAbsA4oc4 by cunnyoisseur@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:48:14.944704Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @Godcast >"Adults need to remember that the world is not fair, no one owes them fairness and the government sure as hell isn't going to give it to them."No, I'm pretty sure that governments were supposed to make life easier for citizens rather than figure out how to hypertax you, their slave, in order to do some wacky post ww2 thing like sending money to Israel.
(DIR) Post #AKTt8q95NBfGfcbjJQ by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:49:17.715439Z
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Whine more about how you can't do basic math. I find it highly entertaining.
(DIR) Post #AKTtBfnuHNIdSu3Ijg by AnonymousBosch@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:49:48.363806Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro >sonnenrad in name>wants to cull poor whitesCurious!
(DIR) Post #AKTtDy33Pzn2d0EP3o by CatLord@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:50:12.853654Z
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@Eiregoat @JSDorn @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Not really. Those functions can easily be filled (and still are in countries like Germany) by small banks or national banks for big projects. There's no real reason significant allocation of resources be privately decided.
(DIR) Post #AKTtFl8uN7QXBIp960 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:50:32.695321Z
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> but what I'm trying to have you look at is how those systems transitioned to the systems we have nowGovernments stepped in and promised to "make life fair." The result is that life got even less fair and useful idiots are calling for them to stop in even more.And so the cycle repeats...
(DIR) Post #AKTtJD4Mzsx4fCLXjU by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:51:10.200073Z
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I know that in other countries they came close to being wiped out and had to ditch pacifism.
(DIR) Post #AKTtKDXwi1RuQsf2RM by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:51:20.987975Z
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@AnonymousBosch @Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast it's the, softer, kinder anti-white hatred.
(DIR) Post #AKTtKKcoOKV6NzzWUq by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:51:22.253892Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro No, they didn't charge interest. As stated, interest was a crime punishable by death. It wasn't until the mid 1500's that the definition of usury was changed from the charging of interest to the charging of "unreasonable" interest.Yup. If market conditions weren't suitable for lending, then loans didn't happen. I am 1,000% OK with this.
(DIR) Post #AKTtOoYr20WAOEHHvM by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:52:10.816424Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @Godcast Take the Black Sun from your profile, you're a LOLberg normiecon FFS
(DIR) Post #AKTtPxCeO1wZTvR3fk by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:52:23.212056Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Usury isn't rocket science bro.The Amish don't need compound interest in order to defend themselves from outsiders.
(DIR) Post #AKTtQDEInelvBgKbT6 by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:52:25.494718Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @JSDorn There's no difference between the government and powerful business interests. You're operating under a false dichotomy.
(DIR) Post #AKTtQhCvLLUkA5uvU8 by CenturianFrend@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:52:31.418982Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @FederalAgent69 @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro the only troubles you saw were who was bullied for being more soulless you or moishe down the street.
(DIR) Post #AKTtSDLhKMMm8WkGDA by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:52:47.705949Z
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Yes, so instead of not signing contracts you don't understand, you ask big-daddy-globohomo to make the world fair for you. Then your enemies use the power you just gave them to scam you out of your socks and leave you wondering what happened.
(DIR) Post #AKTtTJfvIAwu2wjNB2 by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:52:59.129317Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn and what do you think about that?
(DIR) Post #AKTtXss6NHqQMfbawy by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:53:49.273613Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Carry water for the unnatural jew money system, you're spiritually a jew to me. This is me tapping the sign.
(DIR) Post #AKTtYDoyU6oxL3ItUW by CasperDoogan@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:53:52.494644Z
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@JSDorn @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @sickburnbro >someone from nicecrew defending usuryoh my biases can only get so confirmed
(DIR) Post #AKTtbTRYrE7Kevu32e by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:54:27.799034Z
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No I'm not. Most people are idiots. We coined words like "normie" and "npc" for a reason.Thing is, if you try to make life so safe that even idiots can navigate it then by definition you'll create a whole bunch of corruption due to the sheer amount of handlers required to make sure they don't walk off a cliff.
(DIR) Post #AKTtc8a9uAM8FTEzdQ by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:54:35.338421Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh those conservative priors are a bitch
(DIR) Post #AKTtdIdW0dp1ijMgrY by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
2022-06-14T13:54:47.822645Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro GET IN THE LOCKER, JEW-LOVING MATH NERD
(DIR) Post #AKTthMGsR9Ro9UiAYy by sapphire@shortstackran.ch
2022-06-14T13:55:32.114570Z
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@JSDorn @josh @Eiregoat @Godcast @sickburnbro counterpoint: the sentinelese repeatedly murder anyone who comes to their island and they're pre stone age, all their arrows are tipped with shipwreck metal
(DIR) Post #AKTthX0yUcGNTMM7ns by CatLord@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:55:33.434636Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @Godcast @JSDorn That's not a fair representation of what happened. There has been massive overcentralisation for the purposes of parasites - any ostensible promise of fairness is irrelevant. It's not actual fairness. If it were, we would have the productive capacity of our civilisation much more equitably distributed.You can't boil the problems we've had with finance over the past 100 years to "government". If Larry Fink had 0 integration with government, he'd still be a disgusting bloated leech, using his money for nefarious purposes.
(DIR) Post #AKTthp7JBo1bcDSRAu by jasontaverner@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:55:37.163366Z
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@josh This is a great documentary on the history of American currency and usury. Very normie-friendly. odysee.com/@RadioRelayOne:6/The-Money-Masters-1996-FULL-DOCUMENTARY:5
(DIR) Post #AKTtik1xaMcC88OTFg by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:55:47.031867Z
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"Usury" is an inherently vague concept.Anti-usury laws try to get around this by just picking a number and saying "anything above this is usury," it works about as well as Maduro and Chavez trying to make the cost of living go down by introducing price controls.
(DIR) Post #AKTtjwX2ajRjBxVKyG by bebe@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:55:59.071516Z
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@Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro Actually they did not charge the interest. They usually made the money by requiring you to pay in a different currency than you received, and they would get favorable conversion rates. Alternatively they also had late fees for paying back too late, and if someone consistently paid back their loans on time they would be less likely to receive another loan in the future. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #AKTtlVVI3KgJwcQoD2 by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:56:16.890238Z
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@Eiregoat @johnnyappleseed @josh @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro Nobody here is advocating a total nanny state. We're pointing out that usury is a means of financial enslavement that benefits an extremely small minority at the very explicit expense and misery of everyone else.
(DIR) Post #AKTtlr8LdJOz1prnVI by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:56:20.558517Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Weird that your definition of eugenics hinges on " can understand how the hebrew money markets work"
(DIR) Post #AKTtmqKW6gNgpF1sRM by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:56:31.543995Z
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This is me still not giving a shit.
(DIR) Post #AKTtnH9oMarQ1rED0C by FederalAgent69@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:54:47.186157Z
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@Eiregoat @CenturianFrend @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro The long arc of history tends to see usurers getting booted out of their homes as the best result they can expect. Enjoy your day in the sun, kike.
(DIR) Post #AKTtnHWqyvIBBK0buy by doctorsex@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:56:36.116505Z
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@FederalAgent69 @Eiregoat @CenturianFrend @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro lmfao aint this the dude who made some huge spergfest about wanting to use natsoc iconography but not being a socialist? Of course he'd wind up going to bat for userers. What a faggot piece of shit.
(DIR) Post #AKTto9p9780hZgyyvY by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:56:45.170928Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn so why then did germany step in and stop banks from pulling those tricks?
(DIR) Post #AKTtonPfvFP4MHNCmO by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:56:52.550470Z
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Weird that "can you divide and multiply" is too high a bar for you.
(DIR) Post #AKTts8oIpB6BabUIPA by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:57:28.911026Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast compound interest is more correct defined as an integral
(DIR) Post #AKTtsJKZi2r6DafD60 by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:57:30.640819Z
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@Eiregoat @GLObalMARinePR @josh @sickburnbro We're using "usury" to mean "interest charged on loans."
(DIR) Post #AKTtsfdolBJtPdpt8y by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:57:34.705819Z
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Statistically speaking it's unlikely you're taller or stronger than me. Good luck with that.
(DIR) Post #AKTtuod2JeilrjUdtI by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:57:57.438081Z
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@Eiregoat @JSDorn @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro I definitely agree that finance is necessary as an industry. I think it can only work with state guidance (assuming its a state governed by good people) and heavy regulations. You want a situation where there is enough liquidity to keep the market going but not enough to cause overconsumption and major private deficits.
(DIR) Post #AKTtx67OGFmUghmNHM by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:58:22.765179Z
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Ok, so *any* interest, not just a specific level of interest like it used to be defined in those medieval laws you mentioned.
(DIR) Post #AKTu1aGC8U0TKW2KbA by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
2022-06-14T13:59:11.216614Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro then why do you talk like a fag
(DIR) Post #AKTu1r4PdXgPStef5s by PunishedD@kiwifarms.cc
2022-06-14T13:59:05.446156Z
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@josh Yes. The only thing I would add is this chart. You can see naturally corrective deflation ended once the Fed was established in 1913; only WW1 and the Great Depression caused any. From WW2 onward, the inflationary system was locked into place. We never even got a post-WW2 correction.The important thing is that the inflation/deflation shown here is cumulative. Every red year represents an attack on earners and savers.
(DIR) Post #AKTu1wY1GtKwSAXsR6 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T13:59:15.295308Z
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> I definitely agree that finance is necessary as an industry.Well that's a start, glad we agree. I just think we need to take it back from the jews. Community banks run by people who you know at least second hand are a lot harder to corrupt.
(DIR) Post #AKTu1yKycM5m0ISUNs by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:59:15.481441Z
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@Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR I mean, I could get behind all loans are unsecured and jubilee years
(DIR) Post #AKTu3Sa3ewow5iDpfE by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:59:31.561703Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @sickburnbro As I already pointed out, usury wasn't defined as "interest above X point" until after the 1500's. But more to the point, when we say "usury" we mean "any interest at all."
(DIR) Post #AKTu3kgkKorkFfUQaW by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:59:34.926482Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro "if you can't thrive under evil kike money magic, you're dysgenic."Wow gee I wonder what race this automatically promotes to the top
(DIR) Post #AKTu3qygx0mll3vqOO by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:59:35.778943Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro People don't deserve financial enslavement for being taken advantage of by sharks. Any disagreement on this point is jewish.
(DIR) Post #AKTu46Gy5LJlC5b9Si by Bellerophon@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:59:38.733176Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro I think we agree on that; the missing element is that the group of people making money from industrial-scale usury are the same group of people who protect and lobby for the type in that video.
(DIR) Post #AKTu58OzeZlU5VqSrA by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:59:49.381499Z
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@Eiregoat @JSDorn @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Japan and several other countries used their financial sectors to reward positive production and manufacturing of stuff like new homes and cars. The way the federal reserve operates is much different from how a financial system that actually helped people would operate.
(DIR) Post #AKTu5PUw5jcT6rkwym by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T13:59:52.548990Z
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@sapphire @josh @Eiregoat @Godcast @sickburnbro somehow they do this without the complete financialization of their economy
(DIR) Post #AKTu8gKJykkQAjLq7M by sapphire@shortstackran.ch
2022-06-14T14:00:28.125030Z
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@JSDorn @josh @Eiregoat @Godcast @sickburnbro oh this wasn't a counterpoint to you, it was a counterpoint to the guy above you my bad
(DIR) Post #AKTu8uamwKEqPrABjE by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:00:29.545318Z
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Every day we get closer to that fucking film, I swear to god...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_obeR1OIm8
(DIR) Post #AKTuB6C0mTECyOcJzU by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:00:54.312617Z
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@sickburnbro @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast they were Socialists.Which are supposed to be bad.
(DIR) Post #AKTuGSDEL7TIiJjyz2 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:01:52.272291Z
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I think people should be free to secure loans to bring down the interest rate, but fair enough, if interest rates are still subject to competition then that could work.Remind me about jubilee years, is that where all loans are forgiven every so often? If so then... ok I guess, but it'll just make loans more expensive to compensate for that risk.
(DIR) Post #AKTuHlWs0QJIugYJLE by GLObalMARinePR@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:02:06.759586Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro It's not vague at all. You're ignoring literally the totality of western political history, both civil and ecclesiastical, and then projecting your ignorance onto people such as William Blackstone.
(DIR) Post #AKTuJBtxRJ4Azm1zXs by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:02:20.167293Z
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@Eiregoat @Pvt_Property @josh @Godcast @JSDorn as an industry? no, as a technique, yes.
(DIR) Post #AKTuJff6n50vIPJYZ6 by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:02:27.464951Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro only half of the population can read at a sixth grade level in the US.
(DIR) Post #AKTuMQhqqtoTmQuf56 by sapphire@shortstackran.ch
2022-06-14T14:02:55.373095Z
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@skylar @josh @Eiregoat @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro "statistically speaking its unlikely you're taller or stronger than me. Good luck with that"
(DIR) Post #AKTuOgrFluWGS8O9Am by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:03:21.921863Z
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@Frosche @Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro ew pete davidson vibes
(DIR) Post #AKTuPcv9tY6cX2f5JQ by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:03:31.370439Z
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Then that's essentially a prohibition on lending.Incidentally I have heard one alternative model that could work: Requiring all loans to be investments instead. Thing is, small businessmen like being independent so they're probably not going to want to sell shares just to buy new equipment.
(DIR) Post #AKTuQ7FP8q7saWMg2C by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:03:36.936567Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro The major problem I see aside from Jews is the fact that we have been in a low growth market environment for decades. When nobody productive in your country is having kids importing immigrants doesnt actually grow GDP as much as youd think. The economy will have to shrink if we want to have a functioning society again. Finance needs to suffer before it can ever be a benefit
(DIR) Post #AKTuUghBHxUxgcXM7U by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:04:26.863807Z
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@Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR no, it's a prohibition on making money from lending.Way, way, way different.
(DIR) Post #AKTuV7E2ePETy46xwu by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:04:28.733788Z
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Again, if you can't multiply and divide (literally the only tools needed to understand interest) then yes, you shouldn't be reproducing.
(DIR) Post #AKTuVw9XIuvpurOaVU by CatLord@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:04:40.586223Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Don't you feel compassion for your countrymen when they're exploited?I guess my view of nation and society is much different from yours. I see these things as holistic - with the more intelligent of us using that ability to care for the less intelligent, just as they use their strengths to contribute and care for us.Since most societies have a (fairly) wide distribution of IQ, we can even reasonably assume that it is a natural homeostatic state and that society would suffer were there to be overselection for intelligence.
(DIR) Post #AKTuWj9Z7b4Pt8mnr6 by Giga_Vril_Breaker@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:04:49.114220Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro They already have all the power they could ever want. What I advocate is that the power is given to people explicitly against such practices. I'm not a reformist - I don't think, frankly, any policy changes could change the situation so long as heads don't roll, pyres don't burn and forks aren't bloodied.
(DIR) Post #AKTuX6OEjDTJxIpLPs by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:04:53.053820Z
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@sickburnbro @Eiregoat @Pvt_Property @josh @Godcast imagine working together as a people/province/city/community to pool available resources for worthy projects without jews skimming off the top.Somehow this is hard
(DIR) Post #AKTuYSz0DInCJeftNw by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:05:06.583460Z
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@Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR thus: it is the prohibition of lending becoming a market.
(DIR) Post #AKTuYhezdyhRpwQcmO by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:05:10.511584Z
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@dew_the_dew @Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Pete is so fucking disgusting to look at. Him being described as "most handsome man" is a sign the kikes are increasingly mask off
(DIR) Post #AKTuf1wFA9PySxVw5g by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:06:18.545836Z
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@Eiregoat @JSDorn @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Yeah, so you're conflating finance/banking and investment with usury. Usury is lending in exchange for an amount greater than the principal. Investment is purchasing a portion of future outcomes. A bank is some where that handles capital.The west was capable of making many great things (the entire gothic era) without usury. Usury was banned (or capped) in the west until the Renaissance under the Italians. After the reformation it remained taboo and illegal for a long time. Usury didn't become normalised until the 17th century and it has been disastrous for the west.The actual job of allocating capital is done by investment. The old rule was the bank would front two thirds the capital, the lendee would front 1/3 and all their labour. This entitled the bank to 1/2 the profit and 1/2 went to the lender. Other agreements also existed. What's different here (and in all lending) is that the payment that the bank gets (and their incentives) align with the ventures that are the most likely to actually workUnder usury (remember bankruptcy is a modern mercy, we used to make people saves for debt) the lender has no such incentives. They don't care if you turn a profit or the capital was well allocated. Instead they care that you can pay them back. The longer it takes the better. Banks under usury seek out to loan to as many as they can on terms then can barely withstand. We see this clearly with the housing market.You can do finance without usury Banks used to hold money. Rich people or collectives could invest (stocks, partial ownership, claims on profits). It worked. It lasted for centuries. People still built buildings (better ones), they still went to war, and they still did great things. Usury isn't necessarySadly, it was Christianity that held usury back. And when we abandoned that we became slaves to bankers and money became unhinged from real value.We can't free ourselves from this cycle of the rich accumulating more, financial crashes, and "you'll own nothing" without first destroying the system that underpins it (usury)
(DIR) Post #AKTugKSbmeqECVGue0 by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:06:32.562938Z
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@JSDorn @Eiregoat @Godcast @Pvt_Property @josh YES. it is.Conservatives have had their brains FRIED of this concept."whoa whoa, what EXACTLY are you doing with that donation plate, father? You better be putting that in a CD!"
(DIR) Post #AKTuhFwM4jVKTGcyQK by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:06:43.269142Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro Hey nigger, it's not about basic math and you know it.If I put a landmine in your front yard with a glowing neon sign pointing it out, it would be a very simple matter to avoid it, but some asshole still put a giant deadly trap in your life where there didn't need to be one
(DIR) Post #AKTuk6WbXP4o8ewPMO by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:07:13.980994Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @sickburnbro No, it isn't. It's a prohibition on charging interest on loans. As mentioned repeatedly, even when usurers got hanged, plenty of loans got handed out. Lenders just had to do their legwork and make sure the borrower was good for the loan or had collateral to guarantee repayment.I think your issue is that you conceive of economics in terms of 21st century, alienated, financialized, computerized transactions where there can't possibly be any other incentive besides monetary gain. Interestingly, that's not even the case today. Look at Hollywood and the gay propaganda they put out to see that it's not always about the money.
(DIR) Post #AKTukPa8gUC3F7k00W by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:07:17.279016Z
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@CatLord @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Its clearly a conservatoid, a shabbos goy for jewish capital. No sympathy for anyone, not even other White people, it's all "fuck you I got mine" materialism. Spiritual judaist.
(DIR) Post #AKTunvBBf5lY6rk9Ng by CatLord@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:07:55.047934Z
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@Eiregoat @Pvt_Property @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro Community banks are good.
(DIR) Post #AKTupI7vpSfRZNsFbk by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:08:09.874983Z
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People don't deserve lots of thing. They don't deserve to be eaten by tigers because they got distracted picking berries. They don't deserve to freeze in winter because they didn't bother gathering firewood. They don't deserve to be raided by barbarians just because they didn't bother to build a palisade.Whites became what we are because we dealt with unfairness and overcame it. If we protect everyone from ever having to deal with unfair things and ensure no one can ever fail, no matter how inept, then we will regress.It's not fair, but it's the way it is.
(DIR) Post #AKTupyAXW9i1xdPvVI by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:08:17.567638Z
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@sickburnbro @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR Late fees were ok for lenders to charge, which is how medieval banks made most of their money. Granted, they leaned really hard on people to pay back their loans late, so it's a de-facto lending charge.
(DIR) Post #AKTurrMzleBxS991f6 by RoyalJohnny242@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:08:38.248203Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @CatLord @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Sounds like a proud house nigger for the Zionist Devil Machine
(DIR) Post #AKTusX4gi6VGnWtzxQ by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:08:44.994885Z
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@JSDorn @sickburnbro @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh In a functioning market finance is the pool and the resources form to build said projects. Credit unions are finance. Only the forces of capital cause it to be as horrible as it is. If you get rid of its ability to be horrible, it can function again. I say this because it functioned for 300 years or so before America took over the world. The state needs to act as or directly administer the primary investor class. You never want private investment taking the main stage and running things on its own.
(DIR) Post #AKTuum7fjUTw32MqPI by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:09:09.331239Z
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@JSDorn In a functioning market finance is the pool that the resources form to build said projects. Credit unions are finance. Only the forces of capital cause it to be as horrible as it is. If you get rid of its ability to be horrible, it can function again. I say this because it functioned for 300 years or so before America took over the world. The state needs to act as or directly administer the primary investor class. You never want private investment taking the main stage and running things on its own.
(DIR) Post #AKTv0fnSALmOAJirho by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:10:13.313460Z
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I fully agree.My proposal is that white communities should take control of finance back from globohomo. Start organising local banks and credit unions and use those exclusively. Eventually ditch the dollar and euro entirely.This necessarily will require unpalatable things like interest however and it appears some people can't stomach that.
(DIR) Post #AKTv0qDhPciQUc4y0G by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:10:15.524957Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro "it is what it is, we just have to overcome it by playing along with it" referring to an entirely unnatural and predatory systemExtraordinary.
(DIR) Post #AKTv3RICY2yq3CQKsC by FederalAgent69@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:09:32.186510Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @CatLord @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro He argued that banks should be taken from jews for our own uses. Aka, a handful of white people should be abusing poor whites and destroying their lives through usury
(DIR) Post #AKTv71Ys9qDxPBvmgC by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:11:22.382633Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR right. and then you get into the whole issue of how valid is fractional reserve.And I think we should certainly have entire systematic critiques in order to have a solid reasoning for making any specific choice
(DIR) Post #AKTv8j2xxvgYYvonfE by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:11:40.615632Z
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@sickburnbro @JSDorn @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh A lot of the boomer con mindset of perpetual obsession with economic growth came from our detachment from the metal standards. If youre having a gun held to youd head and being told to invest your money or have it lose value, you will become obsessed with growth. Its not entirely their fault
(DIR) Post #AKTv9kjLBy0y4b81xY by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:11:52.163854Z
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@sickburnbro @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR I agree
(DIR) Post #AKTvHtyMiH5x3R2ezQ by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:13:20.640785Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Dickless conservatives carrying water for a system that hates them and wants them dead?Impossible!Also, I'm not entirely convinced you aren't a "fellow white", so appealing to our development rings hollow
(DIR) Post #AKTvIhXqP9acnf1Baq by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:12:03.655954Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Bro all you have to do is accept terrible injustices and allow evil people to exploit you, your family and your neighbors.
(DIR) Post #AKTvIsoYVMUdkfvBfU by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:13:30.778600Z
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I mean... the economy is suffering because wealth is constantly being siphoned off by jews. If we returned to local financial institutions and a sound money system it would probably result in an economic boom similar to when Germany stopped paying ridiculous amounts of money in war debt and sovereign debt.
(DIR) Post #AKTvJFKYn3ALaJ43bk by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:13:35.128184Z
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@Pvt_Property the state or local representatives of the state, need to be in control. The full scope of these projects need to be limited too.A lot of 'wealth" can be generated through financialization. Wealth that obscures the value and purpose of what is being invested in.A bridge connecting one town to another becomes not an opportunity to bring communities together but an opportunity to make money for local investors.If there is a legitimate need for public investment, in the name of the common good, profit should be tertiary, if even permissible.
(DIR) Post #AKTvLxIaHxPMWpQqqu by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:14:04.622974Z
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@Dadbolgainz @Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro "it's unfair, but it is what it is"Not necessarily
(DIR) Post #AKTvM4C6eRNxulSHE8 by tengumatingpress@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:14:05.392037Z
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@Ottovonshitpost @Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh If you're going to use Darwinian arguments to justify misconduct, corrective murder should be on the table
(DIR) Post #AKTvMptJJcs5qN1wau by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:14:14.170468Z
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Right, so lending becomes a risky practice with no reward. The result is that people won't do it.
(DIR) Post #AKTvOgp20MmOIOueOG by CatLord@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:14:33.721770Z
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@JSDorn @Pvt_Property Very well put.
(DIR) Post #AKTvPknYhsokuwjPG4 by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:14:45.663371Z
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@Eiregoat @Bellerophon @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost I don't know if you're familiar with banking laws in the united states, but you can't just step into this.
(DIR) Post #AKTvSAHquaaCY33CfA by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:15:08.892627Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR This is observably untrue.
(DIR) Post #AKTvUFbq5uDhdOOUE4 by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:15:34.390210Z
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@Frosche @Dadbolgainz @Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @josh @sickburnbro youtube.com/watch?v=fZBjTU088qQ
(DIR) Post #AKTvVW4EODHEy2HGJE by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:15:48.173531Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast Oh, I must have missed it that people stopped donating to charities
(DIR) Post #AKTvXgHfNJe1EVasr2 by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:15:54.268793Z
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@Frosche @Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Saint kalashnikov gave us the tools of liberation. (I do not endorse violence)
(DIR) Post #AKTvYE2brnnpveoL6e by Bellerophon@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:16:17.707339Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro Seems like we agree more than I realized; apologies if I misunderstood your argument. I'm still not a fan of charging interest as a general principle, but you seem like a good dude.
(DIR) Post #AKTvZjVuL1UtpSEYBU by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:16:34.019577Z
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@Dadbolgainz @Ottovonshitpost @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Violence? Nothing wrong with a little airsoft, friend!
(DIR) Post #AKTvbSfruw2iBKiW48 by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:16:52.210722Z
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@JSDorn Im a national socialist but I think the smartest modern implementation of things has been partially the Nordic model. You are exactly right about not wanting to over financialize everything. Public investments are important but totally impossible without state buying power. Conservatives are allergic to thr state having buying power because they think there is no such thing as a good guy government.
(DIR) Post #AKTvslkwE0eiHmLDRA by Nidoking@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:12:53.481080Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro It's my duty to protect my tribe from being harmed by others. You exist to protect your kids, faggot, not to expose them to dangers. This is a fight, and your excuse for not fighting is exposure to harm.
(DIR) Post #AKTvteDrifsfD8I51U by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:20:09.410796Z
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> Don't you feel compassion for your countrymen when they're exploited?Sure. It makes me mad, but even if I were made dictator tomorrow I couldn't fix the situation by just undoing all their bad choices and making their decisions for them.They need to learn the hard way that what they're doing now doesn't work. Otherwise they'll do it again.> I guess my view of nation and society is much different from yours. I see these things as holistic - with the more intelligent of us using that ability to care for the less intelligent, just as they use their strengths to contribute and care for us.Ok, but who decides who counts as intelligent enough to make those choices? In the long run aristocracies tend to get corrupted by jews, then jews use their power to milk the lower classes.The only solution to this problem I can see is if people are mostly self-ruling and self-sufficient. There has to be some kind of hierarchy to get larger projects done, but it should be as easy to exit and replace as possible for when it eventually gets jewed.> Since most societies have a (fairly) wide distribution of IQ, we can even reasonably assume that it is a natural homeostatic state and that society would suffer were there to be overselection for intelligence.There's always going to be a left hand side to the bell curve, but evolution can still shift the curve to the right as a whole, as undeniably happened with whites.I'm fine with caring for incompetants just as I'm fine with caring for cripples, but they shouldn't be able to freely reproduce at the expense of everyone else. Adults should be expected to stand on their own two feet, if they can't they don't deserve the same rights as those who can.
(DIR) Post #AKTvxcbnf7C9MbNfU0 by RoyalJohnny242@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:20:53.013273Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Ok kike, enjoy being crushed along with your Yehudi Demonic Regime
(DIR) Post #AKTw25u8gPS9Nh5j1c by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:21:41.302983Z
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@Eiregoat @CatLord @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost You don’t get it.This is a system DESIGNED to exploit the poor and stupid, and makes up infinite excuses for it.The reason you hate caring for the poor and stupid is because the system has told you that you are required to care for blacks and mexicans.
(DIR) Post #AKTw3gQSNpXAwIxv0K by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:21:58.670636Z
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Awesome. That's literally all I want. Also community currency because clearly organising that at a national level hasn't worked out well.
(DIR) Post #AKTw6KQ6ekhRYi3xE8 by FederalAgent69@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:21:04.598910Z
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@Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Sounds you'd support jewish refugee organizations shipping all those niggers into Ireland as well.It just is what it is. White people need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and outbreed a never ending flow of niggers, right?
(DIR) Post #AKTw88Rk92Yd0DgqKO by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:22:46.263907Z
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My proposal is to walk away from central banking and organise our own finance at a local level. And this benefits ZOG how...? 😂
(DIR) Post #AKTw9V0jjiSbH4hyXA by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:23:01.761132Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast You're right. I guess the singular path to financial assistance is some obese pedo kike getting wealthy while doing zero actual labor in his entire life and just skimming a loan that doubles in cost due to interest.
(DIR) Post #AKTwAqAWYcbfBSvSoS by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:23:15.678463Z
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@Eiregoat @CatLord @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @Pvt_Property again, this is what I was talking about before. Those are a previous system. You are not allowed to return to this.This is going to be a systematic critique.
(DIR) Post #AKTwAqhUa2ygpiLnCS by sapphire@shortstackran.ch
2022-06-14T14:23:16.357169Z
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@tengumatingpress @josh @Eiregoat @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro Hmmm... Damn bratty kike..... !!!! !!! Charging interest...... 💢💢 Death correction is needed 💢
(DIR) Post #AKTwD3XzmrmhFvxduy by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:23:40.334747Z
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No problem! It's good to talk this stuff out. I got to where I am today by listening to different ideas.
(DIR) Post #AKTwD7tPdBICjW0nr6 by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:23:41.086060Z
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@Pvt_Property exactly.Too much money will warp private or public interest the same.
(DIR) Post #AKTwGv0dTPhfvyCOEy by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:24:22.268746Z
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@Eiregoat @RoyalJohnny242 @josh @CatLord @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro this is hopefully what crypto and defi eventually enable us to do, otherwise it's back to barter.
(DIR) Post #AKTwJ6LCJVMjeprDX6 by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:24:45.775331Z
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@sickburnbro @Eiregoat @CatLord @josh @Godcast @Pvt_Property our society is dying of stage four cancer.It does no good for us to dream of the halcyon days of stage one cancer.We need to rip out the entire tumor
(DIR) Post #AKTwKayjt9eyy745wG by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:25:02.105024Z
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The provos are commies, but at least they're nationalists. Or were anyhow, not sure where they stand these days. Sinn Féin are globalist cucks sadly.
(DIR) Post #AKTwOwZDZ7ft59CWe0 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:25:49.332799Z
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I'm hoping so too.
(DIR) Post #AKTwP8Nbe7W5ibrQDA by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:25:50.866198Z
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@JSDorn getting rid of metal standards and balanced budgets has fucked us beyond belief. Inflationary economies are literally the most dysgenic horrible thing ever. Screw all of that shit
(DIR) Post #AKTwSOxkRoS41CK8ae by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:26:23.554587Z
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@Bellerophon @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost imagine my shock
(DIR) Post #AKTwXYdbu2TvTPMZd2 by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:27:22.698228Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @CatLord @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @RoyalJohnny242 @sickburnbro either is acceptable but crypto would make it much easier to network over a larger area with smart contracts and escrow services and whatnot because otherwise you'll never be able to compete with other economies of greater scale and you'll end up inevitably getting run over.
(DIR) Post #AKTwYEyeUCGimpWyG0 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:27:29.950096Z
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My point is that giving a monopoly the power to decide what contracts you can/can't sign doesn't result in less jewing or less corruption.
(DIR) Post #AKTwejqQdQ98G1matE by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:28:40.082160Z
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@JSDorn In the past under metal standards we actually had a deflationary environment. What happens in a good economy is people make more technology, technology makes a thing easier to produce, so the price goes down, and you then divert your extra money to new cooler things, and so on.
(DIR) Post #AKTwfgpPKrO1Bwl6zQ by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:28:50.824079Z
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@Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @Dadbolgainz @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro >pro usury>anti globalistthink you got some wires crossed
(DIR) Post #AKTwhwzsBuwXuwjRjs by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:29:15.197971Z
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Ok, that's a good place to start. So you have all of these projects that want resources, but obviously there's never going to be enough resources for all of them, so how do you decide which ones to fund?This is the basic question any economic system tries to answer.
(DIR) Post #AKTwkURymdiEFa5bqS by CatLord@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:29:42.299443Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @Pvt_Property @sickburnbro National currency has worked fine in various places. In another argument between us, I brought up the Third Reich and Imperial Japan. They had extremely efficient capital/resource allocation. Since you're clearly libertarian oriented with your economics, you might be interested in reading about the savings programs run in the Japanese communities for the war effort. Read Princes of The Yen.
(DIR) Post #AKTwlOZi75AeJm8Zfc by Telvannichad@kiwifarms.cc
2022-06-14T14:29:52.557271Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro The provos fucking drug dealers now and should be strung up. The only vague party I like now is Aointú and NP but there definitely have their cons to their pros. Everyone I would consider a nationalist here is desperate to get their kids in a gaelscoilleanna anyhow lol
(DIR) Post #AKTwqJrJ4jTJ8fiQwS by sapphire@shortstackran.ch
2022-06-14T14:30:45.825774Z
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@tengumatingpress @Eiregoat @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @josh @sickburnbro I hope this post is submitted for evidence at my inevitable war crimes trial so all my bros can laugh at it again before we hang
(DIR) Post #AKTwqZrBawskkvmYyW by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:30:49.006726Z
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Who would lend when there's only ever risk?At the very best you don't get to use your money for a few years then you get to use it again.At the worst you never get to use it again and you might as well not have earned it.
(DIR) Post #AKTwriCC4pHMuM9KRE by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:31:01.116994Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Pvt_Property @sickburnbro whatever best serves the public good.This is a difficult question but it's made easier by having the right leadership, a clear moral vision and minimal temptations to use access to public funds to reward friends and punish enemies.The WORST thing to do though is trust that unrestricted self interest will somehow make the right choice.
(DIR) Post #AKTwzRIolkBupbvslU by FederalAgent69@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:28:05.003759Z
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@Eiregoat @RoyalJohnny242 @josh @CatLord @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro You want to be the person loan sharking poor whites instead of jews. You want to replace jews with a white facsimile.
(DIR) Post #AKTx31lXej4mmz4xMG by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:33:03.469360Z
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@JSDorn @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @sickburnbro Kind of unrelated but the right will probably have to try its best to form its own credit unions or other financial institutions because payment processors and banks will ban more and more people as time goes on. There isn't really another option outside crypto but we know how crypto is going at the moment.
(DIR) Post #AKTx7VmtydLZ3hqy4e by Irishblackpilled@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:33:52.349984Z
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@Telvannichad @Eiregoat @josh @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro Ireland is gone mate. Only thing now is a new Ireland to be born. It's either neo Sinn Féin or Fine Gael with even more globohomo for government now.
(DIR) Post #AKTx8GREX0wNk74pKC by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:34:00.627696Z
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I'm fine with charity, but it's not the answer to everything. The bigger an economy gets the more there's a need for some way to measure and communicate value.
(DIR) Post #AKTx9CiFrt1EThUEuO by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:34:10.826347Z
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@Pvt_Property @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @sickburnbro they won't let us do that.Novel forms of Crypto or in person cash payments/barter will be what we are reduced to.It sucks and it's not what I want, but I don't see how they will leave us alone
(DIR) Post #AKTxA7jzq5HRLbjw2K by CatLord@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:34:20.265801Z
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@Eiregoat @RoyalJohnny242 @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro Central banking is fine when the bank is state controlled and tethered to the interests of the Nation. It's literally just the bank that organises the banks of your country and oversees them. If you don't like the central bank having that decision making responsibility, you can give it to a ministry of finance, instead.
(DIR) Post #AKTxFGa6OjuUDIZ2P2 by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:35:15.997110Z
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@JSDorn @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @sickburnbro Well something will have to be done at some point. If we can't we're totally fucked until and assuming we live through a Mad Max level of anarchy where the government literally can't stop you from doing whatever the fuck you want
(DIR) Post #AKTxHTB0XYEvr8sQoC by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:35:40.263945Z
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@Irishblackpilled @Telvannichad @Eiregoat @josh @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro my brain knows what you say is true, but my heart can't accept that the fenian soul, which resisted Anglo extermination so long, would so easily die.😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
(DIR) Post #AKTxJYZxQPqZBsXg6i by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:36:03.226132Z
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@Irishblackpilled @Telvannichad @Eiregoat @josh @Dadbolgainz @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro this, but for the entire white worldglobal white revolution when
(DIR) Post #AKTxO0C4hCjlzjUVCS by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:36:50.845058Z
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More like if I sold you a buzz saw and you cut your hands off because you couldn't read the warning sticker.Loans are pretty useful things, they only become a problem if you don't plan properly or don't stick to the plan.
(DIR) Post #AKTxOQSH3b8zRVGo3k by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:36:55.173063Z
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@JSDorn @Irishblackpilled @Dadbolgainz @Eiregoat @Frosche @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @Telvannichad @josh I don't think the Finnian soul is dead, it is in hiding
(DIR) Post #AKTxV0HOm6s4HvJski by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:38:07.316153Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro That analogy works if we assume that the buzzsaw is going to take portions of your flesh whether you use it responsibly or not
(DIR) Post #AKTxVocjb3eAQZgcwy by Irishblackpilled@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:38:15.363697Z
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@JSDorn @Dadbolgainz @Eiregoat @Frosche @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @Telvannichad @josh @sickburnbro Ireland is just like Canada now.
(DIR) Post #AKTxVz8eVF7V2ShG5Y by CatLord@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:38:17.951489Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro In short, I think we can integrate a general improvement of intelligence, agency, and self-sufficiency while caring for each other and protecting the vulnerable from exploitation, internal or external. >Ok, but who decides who counts as intelligent enough to make those choices?I didn't actually mean that it would be formalised. This is just the natural state of societies with functional communities, national or local.
(DIR) Post #AKTxXXjVMpdkcYg2rI by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:38:34.869723Z
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@Irishblackpilled @Telvannichad @Eiregoat @josh @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro America is totally gone too. We're gonna have to redo some kind of ethnogenesis because the continuity between Americas cultural life and ourselves has been broken. Most of us were never alive when American culture was actually still a thing.
(DIR) Post #AKTxbzqoldU4zADmZk by Telvannichad@kiwifarms.cc
2022-06-14T14:39:22.980586Z
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@Irishblackpilled @josh @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro When chicken fillet rolls get too expensive and everywhere else is just as shit as here nobody will emigrate and actually have to fix shit. Everyone highly competant or successful leaves immediately for greener pastures lol.
(DIR) Post #AKTxnmwmZLbQRLdMrQ by D@wei.mentalswarf.com
2022-06-14T14:41:29.247919Z
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@Christ_is_Lord @josh @Eiregoat @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro The problem now is that with the destruction of community, everyone is terrified of “what could happen” if they didn’t live this way.Americans are captive to four business sectors working in tandem to turn them into slaves: banking, insurance, law, and medicine.Other countries don’t live on borrowed money. You save. Your family contributes. If a couple gets married and needs a new home, the families work together to find the best deal through their connections and pitch in their savings and the couple pays what they can and works to support the family. You live within your means. You don’t lease a car: you buy the car you can afford or you walk.Since you own everything and still have a functioning community, you don’t need to insure it all either. Homeowners insurance is basically unheard of in China. When shit breaks you fix it. When tragedies happen you work to recover. There is no protracted five-year battle between repairmen and insurers to get them to pay out on the rare occasion something happens.And when people don’t sue everyone for everything because everyone understands that the less you come to the attention of the evil government the better, law isn’t such a big deal. There are relatively few lawyers and everyone is well aware of how corrupt and broken the system is. Most things end up settled in arbitration.As for medicine: when doctors can’t bill medicaid whatever they want and have insurance companies recover the money from the ever expanding tax purse, they have to be a lot more realistic about how they practice. Maybe the hospital doesn’t need a new skywalk Italian marble floors. Maybe we can just keep using our X-Ray machine instead of upgrading to the latest model and then upgrading all our computers to match. Maybe you see a few more patients each day and don’t spend 15 minute shooting the shit and being friendly and talking about golf because time fucking matters.You can get insurance in a lot of these countries, but it really doesn’t matter. You are paying the same amount of money. All it changes is which prescriptions they will write you: domestic generic, imported generic, or imported name brand.
(DIR) Post #AKTxtXyZ929VkGDKhk by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:42:32.904428Z
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> Lenders just had to do their legwork and make sure the borrower was good for the loan or had collateral to guarantee repayment.Ok, and what was their reward for all that legwork?I fully agree that there is work involved in a functional banking system. That's why banks used to be local: They had to know who could safely be lended to and who couldn't.The fantasy is that all that work can somehow be done without reward or compensation for risk.> I think your issue is that you conceive of economics in terms of 21st century, alienated, financialized, computerized transactions where there can't possibly be any other incentive besides monetary gain.Not at all, I have a lot more respect for pre-20th century economic structures and my favorite economist is Bastiat.I'm also all for people doing things for their community without expecting a return. I do and that's always been a part of commerce. The problem is that solution only works up to a certain scale before a more formal communication method is needed, like price signals.> Look at Hollywood and the gay propaganda they put out to see that it's not always about the money.How much do you know about black-rock and Larry Fink? At an international level it no longer matters if companies make a profit or not, all that matters is access to newly printed dollars. Larry Fink is subcontracted by the federal reserve to decide who gets that money and he requires anyone looking for it to be woke.It's still about money, the customer just isn't who you think it is. All those gay ads aren't for you, they're for him.
(DIR) Post #AKTxxc8XcHrjoAorEu by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:43:17.178575Z
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Nah.
(DIR) Post #AKTy0HUCqqEgd9DzPs by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:43:46.182679Z
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> Aka, a handful of white people should be abusing poor whites and destroying their lives through usuryNope
(DIR) Post #AKTy19MyVwXNkMFyds by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:43:55.643251Z
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@Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR again. The question to be asked is: why should money be made from a loan
(DIR) Post #AKTy3vAVlmlcZVkS5w by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:44:25.887710Z
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@FederalAgent69 @Eiregoat @RoyalJohnny242 @josh @CatLord @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro the correct thing to do is to become a landlord in a predominantly nonwhite area and get in touch with as many white landlords as you can. Form a mafia and price fix the whole block with extortion rates.
(DIR) Post #AKTy9l3GIU3uvr8m3M by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:45:28.914625Z
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That's kinda like saying pitbulls are fine when they're taking a nap and not chewing some kids' face off. It's not even a false statement, it's just not a good argument for having one.Central banks are a central point of failure. Same for ministries of finance, it doesn't matter what you call the institution, the problem is the centralisation and disconnection from the communities it has power over.
(DIR) Post #AKTyDyhLVACuPktyGe by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:46:15.008987Z
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Ok, so we start calling interest "late fees" and you're fine with it?
(DIR) Post #AKTyGecoabDX1m3hFg by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:46:43.840298Z
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@Pvt_Property @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @sickburnbro "something will have to be done"
(DIR) Post #AKTyLbJGLKzWC2Gutk by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:47:37.495336Z
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@sickburnbro @Irishblackpilled @Dadbolgainz @Eiregoat @Frosche @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @Telvannichad @josh God willing.
(DIR) Post #AKTyPBclmaVHgp6d7o by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:48:16.216319Z
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Fractional reserve inflation can only really exist with modern fiat currency. With gold (or even scarce crypto) the amount of currency on the market can't be increased just by lending it around.
(DIR) Post #AKTyUselDYqIbDkhjk by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:49:16.998530Z
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> Sounds you'd support jewish refugee organizations shipping all those niggers into Ireland as well.Nope> It just is what it is. White people need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and outbreed a never ending flow of niggers, right?White communities need to retake the power they have given to governments, including border control.
(DIR) Post #AKTyV89RblIcejDv96 by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:49:20.874565Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @sickburnbro You're under the very obviously mistaken impression that nobody ever made loans without being able to charge interest. I'll reiterate: we have a thousand year period in Europe where usury -- the charging of any interest at all -- was a capital crime. They still had bankers and loans were still made.None of the economics "at a certain scale" are dependent on charging interest. Price signals still work without interest. Buying, selling, trading, etc all still work without charging interest.I'm painfully aware of Black Rock, Vanguard, etc. Every single person involved in all of those companies enriched themselves and became powerful because of usury. In the case of large investment firms, they took advantage of the difference in the price of money to make investments with borrowed money. Without the federal reserve lending money at interest, these people wouldn't exist.
(DIR) Post #AKTye3D7LZovwGCA9A by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:50:56.918205Z
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Charities are fine for some things, but they're not a solution to everything. We still need a way to decide which projects are more valuable, like whether to build a railway line or a hydro dam.Market economics gives us a clear answer to making that calculation: Price signals.A gift economy would be blind.
(DIR) Post #AKTyfTHlszpb6B37cO by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:51:12.980127Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @sickburnbro No, because that would be usury by another name. The charging of interest is a precondition of receiving a loan. A late fee is penalty for failure to repay in a timely manner. The two are fundamentally different issues. One is avoidable, the other is not.
(DIR) Post #AKTyiNZ1cEaMDoVRVA by CatLord@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:51:44.691472Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @RoyalJohnny242 @sickburnbro I disagree with this assessment completely. Central banks have serviced their nations just fine at various times in history. Their corruption is obviously a problem, but you're basically arguing a cockroach shouldn't have a brain because it can be hijacked by a parasitoid wasp.
(DIR) Post #AKTykmH6iBmnROGjlA by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:52:10.525303Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR I don't think anyone is advocating against the price mechanism. We're advocating against charging interest on loans.
(DIR) Post #AKTysO3GenAad9QLia by bebe@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:53:32.833439Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @sickburnbro Yes I have heard from my grandmother of the amish who live in her area, even to this day, their community will give out big interest free loans to their members so that they can buy the homes and land and things like this. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #AKTyxEimm4dR8n9k5A by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:54:25.534665Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast modern fiat currency makes is much easier; without that, the tricks necessary to shift future money to now is much more evidence ( and the risks there-in )
(DIR) Post #AKTyxFkEy9OQJaqPzM by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:54:23.563512Z
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I'm fully aware that banks don't tolerate competition, I never said this would be easy. However there are paths forward with a reasonable chance of success:- Credit unions are still legal and reasonably easy to organise. The trouble is that they're subject to equality laws so there would have to be some way of preventing shaniqua from taking out a loan she never plans to repay.- Cryptobanking is quasi-legal but it's one of those things that even if they tried to ban it, it'd be very difficult to actually suppress.- Might be possible to organise some kind of black market gold backed bank, but it'd be very vulnerable to fed raids and asset confiscation laws.
(DIR) Post #AKTz0q46O5BlpTqPlg by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:55:04.171969Z
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I think you need to pick up an economics textbook.
(DIR) Post #AKTz837QFkRcLDpsVE by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:56:22.987120Z
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Oh I know all too well, I'm trying to get out and set up a lifeboat community. The only hope I can see is if we can somehow get ~100,000 Irish people into an expat community somewhere until we have the numbers to retake our homeland.
(DIR) Post #AKTzDNk8zzUxksUSfo by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:57:20.704029Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Bellerophon @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost Pax Dickenson was looking into this 6 years ago. The problem at hand is that the only way to succeed is by flying under the radar. If you were found out, you would be subject to attacks as progressives went to make an example of you.
(DIR) Post #AKTzHHY7y9g7hgjHXc by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:58:02.976306Z
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@Eiregoat @Irishblackpilled @Telvannichad @josh @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro That shouldn't be too much of a problem. The Irish are everywhere. There's a totally uncontacted tribe of Irishmen in the middle of the dark heart of Africa that can only say "Well, you'll have one?"
(DIR) Post #AKTzI0fSDlHFdRVGi0 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T14:58:10.917054Z
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I think you're under the impression your opinion matters more to me than it actually does.
(DIR) Post #AKTzOv4PQlY6ImTF1k by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T14:59:25.727333Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Bellerophon @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost Different ways of flying under the radar would be a) founded/run by people who have no public affiliation with anything more extreme than the republican party b) no advertising c) operating without internet presenseBut it all falls down to "how long before antifa finds out", essentially.
(DIR) Post #AKTzP1T5durA9442KW by Ricotta@yggdrasil.social
2022-06-14T14:59:26.755927Z
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@Eiregoat @Irishblackpilled @Telvannichad @josh @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro Boston already exists.
(DIR) Post #AKTzUe67RkqrOt07Tk by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:00:27.857845Z
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Agreed. So we rip it out and then what?We have to rebuild something. The only concrete proposal I've seen in this thread (from people who disagree with me) is to make a central bank and hope it doesn't get jewed again.They're literally arguing for the same system and just hoping for better results.
(DIR) Post #AKTzZNV4aDuLN7vgYK by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:01:19.367594Z
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True, and chicago, but we need volkism, not urban jewish hegemony.
(DIR) Post #AKTzd5gikZt3Hr9Edk by Ricotta@yggdrasil.social
2022-06-14T15:01:59.574844Z
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@Eiregoat @Telvannichad @josh @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @Godcast @Irishblackpilled @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro Chicago is mostly Italians and niggers.
(DIR) Post #AKTzpoQMFSblVaYoAy by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:04:17.258656Z
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I mean, sure, but that applies to everything we do. Those are options with tolerable risk though.
(DIR) Post #AKTzuiLwFThk7upZUe by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:05:10.523053Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Bellerophon @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost so then the question is - why not just form a lending society where no interest is charged?
(DIR) Post #AKTzvd0dbLXBqMIrho by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:05:20.610388Z
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Pretty much. I think the ultimate solution is "have cohesive tight knit communities."Building communities needs to be treated like organising a resistance cell from now on, because that's what they are.
(DIR) Post #AKTzwXhSpJ47fOlrEW by CatLord@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:05:30.038624Z
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@Eiregoat @JSDorn @josh @Godcast @Pvt_Property @sickburnbro That's not a fair characterisation of what I've said. The fundamental distinction between a jewed central bank and a non-jewed one is just that. I never said anything about how we would prevent future jewing. There are heaps of realistic ways to do that (ban them from the country for example).
(DIR) Post #AKTzzLZgMiEEveT6GG by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:06:00.831809Z
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You have no idea how hard it is to find even ten Irish people who are aware of the JQ.
(DIR) Post #AKU0627h5FQUd1Z6ki by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:07:13.288144Z
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@Eiregoat @Godcast @Telvannichad @josh @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @Irishblackpilled @Ottovonshitpost just sucker them in with the British Question, then pull man-behind-the-curtain
(DIR) Post #AKU0Aqxm0I9RSqDuIi by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:08:05.673900Z
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Because that doesn't account for risk or the value of time. The only people who would have an interest in using the society would be people who intend to borrow. There'd be a lack of lenders. At best there would be no losses and they'd lose access to their money for a while. More realistically they'd be guaranteed to lose some money.Might as well just keep their money and lend it themselves to family.
(DIR) Post #AKU0C0KwdbsCpGbum8 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:08:18.215376Z
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Agreed
(DIR) Post #AKU0D6q9wZFLHljns0 by Giga_Vril_Breaker@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:08:29.013570Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro It does if you give it to based nnnguys, not kikes. I'll speak directly to your clearly lolbert priors - there's the good guy with a gun and there's the good guys with the government. And the good guys with the mmmbig mmmgovernment ought to protect people who can't for whatever reason scroll /biz/ for 10 years.
(DIR) Post #AKU0O6vjwuwWkZatFo by Teuton_Cornelius@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:10:28.991335Z
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@Pvt_Property @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro Finance is also a brain drain. One of the smartest guys in my HS class was a Sikh whose dad was a medical doctor. By virtue of being both smart and brown, he got a free ride to an Ivy League school. I looked him up years later, assuming he was going to be a doctor like he talked about in school, and he works at a fucking hedge fund.
(DIR) Post #AKU0U2DqMmUNszt1vM by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:11:33.575730Z
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Interest rates are price signals for credit. They're a communication between lenders and borrowers about the value of time and the value the borrower proposes to create.Zero interest loans are fine between friends and family, but on a larger scale we need price signals to assess value.Those companies became powerful by bribing the government to grant them victory, it really is that simple. Interest or no they simply can't lose. Every time you pay your taxes you are their captive customer.
(DIR) Post #AKU0UsqchqPH6KQjaa by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:11:42.431154Z
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@Teuton_Cornelius @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro sections of the economy being dedicated to rent seeking like this can only be sustained using the federal reserve and not even that can keep it going forever.
(DIR) Post #AKU0VkXh4RLndFzNa4 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:11:51.726455Z
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Yep. Zero interest loans work on a small scale, agreed.
(DIR) Post #AKU0gl7lFRQwcc6oU4 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:13:51.471037Z
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Not sure if I summed it up replying to you, sorry if I'm repeating myself:Interest is price signals for credit. It's me saying "I promise to produce this much value if you give me your money." Putting a hard number on that value is incredibly useful because there's thousands of different projects you could put your money to.
(DIR) Post #AKU0jaWz5cakdWFvay by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:14:22.155729Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @CatLord @Godcast @Pvt_Property @sickburnbro well, we have to remove all the jews.I don't have an autistically detailed plan for much after that just because getting to that part will be difficult enough.And I'm just a grug. Whatever role I have to play in the struggle to free our people will be a lowly one. Nobody will be coming to me for inspiration regarding a new economic model.But in general I'd support anything approaching National Socialism
(DIR) Post #AKU0m2K8jAdJPhPog4 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:14:48.572286Z
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Can you give an example? I can't think of a period in history where central banks weren't jewed. They were initially created as a way to borrow extra money from jews to fund wars. No exaggeration.
(DIR) Post #AKU0pEPIG8P5l1LjCS by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:15:22.937162Z
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@JSDorn @Eiregoat @CatLord @Godcast @Pvt_Property @josh @sickburnbro national fucking anything, really, would be just dandy rn
(DIR) Post #AKU11J6kbhc7oPQzmi by CatLord@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:17:34.547367Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @RoyalJohnny242 @sickburnbro NS Germany and Imperial Japan. I believe the Reichsbank wasn't really jewed during the German Reich either, nor even under the Weimar government.
(DIR) Post #AKU120sPsMI9Yh4AYC by Exile@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:16:07.959164Z
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@CatLord @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @Godcast @JSDorn Ethics don't naturally arise from any particular governmental or economic system. All forms of libertarianism suffer from believing otherwise (I was an Objectivist, the worst of the lot for this). Ethics are upstream from both. With external ethical policing, any system can be net-positive (contra Hayek, who conflates certain kinds of efficiency with ethics). Capitalism eschews ethics by embracing Darwinism so it doesn't even have to pretend it's pro-social. As economic systems go, it's the last one you want in the absence of a very strong external system of ethics.
(DIR) Post #AKU12j03pIYCP8ytZg by Pvt_Property@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:17:49.431955Z
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@JSDorn @Eiregoat @CatLord @Godcast @josh @sickburnbro Free summer camps for all jews
(DIR) Post #AKU16RsFRUYcRo6Py4 by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:18:30.126061Z
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@Pvt_Property @Eiregoat @CatLord @Godcast @josh @sickburnbro free and mandatory.
(DIR) Post #AKU17JYFs2eOvRADIm by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:18:39.580411Z
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That creates a really perverse incentive. With interest the bank is incentivised to lend to the lowest risk borrowers who can create the highest value (aka prime lending).With "late fees" the bank is incentivised only to lend to people who'll pay back late. Anyone who can pay back on time is pure risk with no reward.
(DIR) Post #AKU1BH0lG01mCnNwFU by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:19:21.842264Z
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@Exile @CatLord @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @Godcast @JSDorn that's anti-semitic
(DIR) Post #AKU1EfAFueOtz3RUCe by Gerfand@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:19:58.733304Z
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@Irishblackpilled @JSDorn @Dadbolgainz @Eiregoat @Frosche @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @Telvannichad @josh @sickburnbro Ireland was def cringe since the day the made Abortion legal.
(DIR) Post #AKU1IjIoTAynyZNsWm by Fellow_Groyper@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:19:09.105025Z
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@Eiregoat @JSDorn @josh @CatLord @Godcast @Pvt_Property @sickburnbro It won’t get jewed if you specifically prevent jews from taking positions of power at all
(DIR) Post #AKU1Jp3aYnCq72mgEq by yeeeeeeeman@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:20:54.718073Z
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@Irishblackpilled @JSDorn @Dadbolgainz @Eiregoat @Frosche @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @Telvannichad @josh @sickburnbro Holy shit man, how has the country that fought so much for its independence come taking up the ass so much now?
(DIR) Post #AKU1ZSW886ncqAaeky by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:23:44.711315Z
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@Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR Except since the government will bail out all banks, banks aren't incentivized to do that at all.The other issue is that the question of risk of borrowers implies a giant invasive system which forces people to keep revolving credit to prove they are worthy to lend to.
(DIR) Post #AKU1bUtYGCOwnIW8ky by MyLittleFashy@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:22:41.139323Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR I believe there needs to be a difference between business loans and personal loans, I’m all for forbidding interest on personal loans, especially “consumption” loans, but business ventures should have the financing option, maybe only with a national bank and/or with strict price controls on the interest rate, but the option makes sense there. There are quite a few industrial projects that basically can only be done with a huge capital cost, some form of financing is necessary for those, but sure, there is no reason for a middleman, the sovereign being the one responsible for money, there is no reason for a third party to be involved in “bare” financing.The risk management part is easily handled with collateral for those kind of projects, interest is mostly not about covering risk but about covering the time value of money, and that time value of money… comes mainly from the existence of interest!I have dabbled in "Islamic" banking, while a lot of that is about Talmudic hiding of interest behind complex structures, there are a few interest free/shared risk mechanisms that do work very well for what are the main legitimate reasons to loan money, which are building a house at the personal end and business seed capital at the industrial end.
(DIR) Post #AKU1eNPcXNomSItGSG by Telvannichad@kiwifarms.cc
2022-06-14T15:24:37.965909Z
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@yeeeeeeeman @josh @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @Godcast @Irishblackpilled @JSDorn @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro Everyone proactive emigrated
(DIR) Post #AKU1eUS0MusuHj3ldw by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:24:39.025118Z
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@MyLittleFashy @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR I think you're confusing "financing" with "interest." Banning usury wouldn't eliminate financing options for businesses, lenders would just have to be more careful about which business ventures they lent money to.
(DIR) Post #AKU1ekboIEEcOllp9E by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:24:42.146058Z
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Very good question.- I've mentioned it a few times before but risk and time have to be compensated for. If I'm going to give you €10,000 to grow your business, then you need to give me something to make up for the fact that I didn't have €10,000 to grow my own business. Otherwise it would only ever make sense to invest in things you personally own. It's useful to society for that option to exist so that people who have good ideas but no resources can get off the ground.- There has to be some reward for doing so otherwise there's no point, it's just extra work and no one would do it beyond friends and family.- Competitive interest rates provide a way for borrowers and lenders to signal value. The person building the more valuable project can access more resources because he can prove that the thing he proposes to create is in high demand and he can provide more interest.
(DIR) Post #AKU1iBnBgKtdZjjPxA by yeeeeeeeman@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:25:19.000270Z
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@Telvannichad @josh @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @Godcast @Irishblackpilled @JSDorn @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro Just like that in one decade in the 90s?
(DIR) Post #AKU1vEPPGVZFSFpLhg by MyLittleFashy@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:27:16.186101Z
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@Exile @CatLord @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @Godcast @JSDorn This, libertarianism is basically about assuming that meta-ethics are necessarily deontological, which imply that the consequences of moral actions are necessarily moral.Which is very funny when you look at Objectivism because it's on paper based on virtue meta-ethics but throws those meta-ethics in the garbage bin when going anywhere near economics.
(DIR) Post #AKU2CKBZ2aKQIHVGIC by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:30:45.656908Z
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@sickburnbro @JSDorn @Irishblackpilled @Dadbolgainz @Eiregoat @Frosche @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @Telvannichad @josh Like the Dixian soul. :confederateflag:
(DIR) Post #AKU2HY6ohX2uvNm2sK by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:31:42.805804Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast The problem is that overall this is missing the point of "why".Your core assumption is that money is the only acceptable reward for anything.
(DIR) Post #AKU2Q1aOzPeofAeaNU by krang@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:33:14.877825Z
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@Irishblackpilled @Telvannichad @Eiregoat @josh @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro Same with Scotland, the last stand is in ulster
(DIR) Post #AKU2WuKuLJymClgk0e by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:34:28.617537Z
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@dew_the_dew @Frosche @Eiregoat @Ottovonshitpost @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro I had to look up who Pete Davidson was. Thanks for the mental scars! :jahy_dead:
(DIR) Post #AKU2ZEJ73u6citxLCi by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:34:54.638864Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro okay jew enabler, do you then
(DIR) Post #AKU2cxufxOPP2IJ6K8 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:35:34.753078Z
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> Yeah, so you're conflating finance/banking and investment with usury. Usury is lending in exchange for an amount greater than the principal. Investment is purchasing a portion of future outcomes. A bank is some where that handles capital.I reject the term "usury" entirely, it's too poorly defined. Some people think it's any interest at all, other people think it's only interest above some number they came up with, other people think it's only collateralised loans, or loans with state guarantees.> The west was capable of making many great things (the entire gothic era) without usury. Usury was banned (or capped) in the west until the Renaissance under the Italians. After the reformation it remained taboo and illegal for a long time. Usury didn't become normalised until the 17th century and it has been disastrous for the west.Correlation isn't causation. Central banking was also introduced in the 17th century and I would argue is the cause of the disaster.> The actual job of allocating capital is done by investment. The old rule was the bank would front two thirds the capital, the lendee would front 1/3 and all their labour. This entitled the bank to 1/2 the profit and 1/2 went to the lender. Other agreements also existed. What's different here (and in all lending) is that the payment that the bank gets (and their incentives) align with the ventures that are the most likely to actually workI covered that above. Investment financing isn't appealing to most small businesses because they don't want to be owned by a bank. Also I really don't see how it's morally any different. It's still the same people making the same profits from lending money.> Under usury (remember bankruptcy is a modern mercy, we used to make people saves for debt) the lender has no such incentives. They don't care if you turn a profit or the capital was well allocated. Instead they care that you can pay them back. The longer it takes the better. Banks under usury seek out to loan to as many as they can on terms then can barely withstand. We see this clearly with the housing market.Yes they do. In either case they care if you make a profit because that's where their loan repayments and interes-sorry-"dividends" are going to come from.There are many problems in the housing market, but the existence of interest isn't one of them.
(DIR) Post #AKU2dWDIQfVPPtHS4G by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:35:40.200120Z
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> You can do finance without usuryCorrect. You can call it different names or play with the definition.> Banks used to hold money. Rich people or collectives could invest (stocks, partial ownership, claims on profits). It worked. It lasted for centuries. People still built buildings (better ones), they still went to war, and they still did great things. Usury isn't necessaryYep. If you call it investment and shareholder dividends then you don't need to have it at all. Magic!> Sadly, it was Christianity that held usury back. And when we abandoned that we became slaves to bankers and money became unhinged from real value.LMAO. Christianity is the reason we have happy merchants in our society to begin with. You chucklefucks kept inviting them in and giving them special rights. Spare me your fucking heroics.> We can't free ourselves from this cycle of the rich accumulating more, financial crashes, and "you'll own nothing" without first destroying the system that underpins it (usury)Oh fuck me. You look at a system where jews have taken over the government, passed laws to basically just shovel taxes into their pocket, and you think the problem is that you have to pay interest on loans?You're beyond hope.
(DIR) Post #AKU2osHYibDh2ygnS4 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:37:44.240036Z
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> lenders would just have to be more careful about which business ventures they lent money to.They already have to do that. If you lend €10,000 to a business that goes under then you lose €10,000.
(DIR) Post #AKU2p0etZidl1ffXw8 by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:37:45.148088Z
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@SuperSnekFriend @sickburnbro @JSDorn @Irishblackpilled @Dadbolgainz @Eiregoat @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @Telvannichad @josh you dropped this, king
(DIR) Post #AKU2tx04bXOt7xvmQi by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:38:38.038050Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast Usury is gay and should be fukcing banned maybe loans in general but compounding interest should be done away with entirely as well as speculation markets. If you disagree youre a libertarian faggot/retard and will called such.
(DIR) Post #AKU2w3nAK7uglrtozw by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:39:02.257026Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Dadbolgainz @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro me use heavy book SMASH small hat tribe
(DIR) Post #AKU2wnrh1crpfEN5RQ by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:39:10.112551Z
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@Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR @MyLittleFashy you don't understand how banking works, actually.
(DIR) Post #AKU32YA6K17YhPioYi by Nirty_Digger@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:40:12.159947Z
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@Eiregoat @Frosche @josh @Dadbolgainz @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro No
(DIR) Post #AKU3564ZDIZiS0Lcrw by MyLittleFashy@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:35:49.752316Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR I'm not, I don't want to imply that interest is the only way to finance projects, I'm just not convinced that the alternatives are *always* better.Stock corporations have a lot of issues too, and without interest based loans, they are the most obvious system, and historically came first in the modern era, it’s stock corporations that both allowed for the exploration age and the industrial age, and the socially catastrophic results of both.I’m more than happy to get totally rid of interest, I’m just being prudent, removing it without providing (and probably mandating) a better system has its own dangers, dangers that are much greater than going through a careful regulation of interest while we search for a better solution.I agree with the target, I’m wary of the path.Obviously, the whole "let's be prudent about it" thing is about business financing, personal interest based loans are inherently exploitative in every single case except *maybe* home financing, and we already have other options for home financing (including some that we could steal from Islamic thought, even if those are not even necessary in a tight-knit community, they can be as a transitional step).
(DIR) Post #AKU356SflfrDelcsRU by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:40:39.924294Z
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I'd be happy to get rid of interest if someone can propose a better system. So far I've been given provably worse alternatives or sidegrades.> Obviously, the whole "let's be prudent about it" thing is about business financing, personal interest based loans are inherently exploitative in every single case except *maybe* home financingI've never been given a good definition for "exploitative" either.
(DIR) Post #AKU3GVDY48qXcazHWa by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:42:43.827023Z
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@Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >lenders lose money>petition govt for more>govt prints money for lendersthis is how things actually pan out
(DIR) Post #AKU3Ld6SAu7ZWg76cC by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:43:39.316646Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro And? Should lenders be immune from risk?
(DIR) Post #AKU3PtqJsXfqbNbSl6 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:44:20.828218Z
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> Except since the government will bail out all banks, banks aren't incentivized to do that at all.Yes. If we give governments the power to intervene in commerce they will inevitably screw it up.> The other issue is that the question of risk of borrowers implies a giant invasive system which forces people to keep revolving credit to prove they are worthy to lend to.That system exists because we allowed governments to intervene in the banking market, they centralised all the banks, then the banks had no idea who all these strangers applying to loans were, so they demanded the power to snoop on everyone's financial history.This was not a problem before the 1920s. Local bank managers relied on local knowledge to know who was worth lending to.
(DIR) Post #AKU3VN86Q0KIshWx2e by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:45:24.871821Z
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@MyLittleFashy @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR It depends on what you mean by "better." Usury is inherently unjust and leads directly and swiftly to economic enslavement. In my opinion, banning it outright at the earliest opportunity is better than keeping it in any way, shape, or form.
(DIR) Post #AKU3XdIDINbFabL0Eq by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:45:49.226888Z
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v-Pn4W-g48
(DIR) Post #AKU3jMHeMQ7UJNfJnE by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:47:56.797373Z
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@Eiregoat @Nirty_Digger @josh @Dadbolgainz @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @sickburnbro I read books vicariously through borzoi
(DIR) Post #AKU3quazBjfEksJMuG by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:49:18.290328Z
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Of course not, but like any business they have to plan for risk.If a supermarket experiences 2% "shrinkage" of stock, then they have to increase prices by 2% otherwise they lose money and go out of business.If a savings and loan finds that 1% of it's loans go bad, they need to charge at least 1% interest on the remainder.Of course any business will try to reduce risk, supermarkets will hire security and put tags on commonly stolen items (ie. black hair products), banks will do their best to assess loans to screen out the bad ones before they lend them any money, but some level of risk is unavoidable and ultimately the consumer has to pay for it.
(DIR) Post #AKU42OGjCiW9yEJFBI by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:51:22.986831Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast governments by definition either have or will have the power to intervein in commerce, pretending otherwise is simply setting up landmines for your future self.
(DIR) Post #AKU4A8YjUo7xZ4QOsy by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:52:47.191400Z
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I don't think it's unjust. You're asking someone to do work for you, possibly with no reward at all, it's only reasonable that if things do work out they should get something back beyond what they put in.My argument is that in a competitive lending market the cost of accessing credit would be lower and you'd have to screw up harder to end up bankrupt. The reason financial markets are so awful right now is because jews are very good at using governments to prevent competition. And the excuse is always the same "we need more power to protect you from bad decisions."
(DIR) Post #AKU4EsTEjyQ97A7A8W by VarnaNecropolis@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:53:38.575682Z
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@sickburnbro @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR @MyLittleFashy The most recent M20C has a great debate on this subject beginning around the hour 45 mark. myth20c.wordpress.com/2022/06/08/the-rise-of-goldman-sachs/
(DIR) Post #AKU4H4t9XdxaCvHmPg by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:54:02.213079Z
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Then governments by that definition are our enemy. We can do better.
(DIR) Post #AKU4NtOcfVsUajFs3M by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:55:15.883897Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast There is no such thing as a free market and there never has been. It's just a construct that has been created by people who wish to abuse others with license.
(DIR) Post #AKU4WsIA8wfblzW4oa by SuperSnekFriend@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:56:53.008951Z
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@Frosche @sickburnbro @JSDorn @Irishblackpilled @Dadbolgainz @Eiregoat @Godcast @Ottovonshitpost @Telvannichad @josh Thank you kindly, king!
(DIR) Post #AKU4jCJfWFpXLu64ES by MyLittleFashy@poa.st
2022-06-14T15:52:59.278883Z
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@Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR @sickburnbro Yeah, nope, that's not what interest is only about, if it were, there would not be a "zero risk interest rate", this vision of how banking works is theoretical and does not map to the reality of how money actually works in the real world.A lot of loans are collateralized, as such they have zero credit risk, they still accrue interest.
(DIR) Post #AKU4jEYHCuhgHmwlHM by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T15:59:06.569610Z
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1. Collateralised loans are not zero risk. They're lower risk, but certainly not none. Even if the housing market is good the bank still faces a lot of extra work preparing your house for sale and hopefully getting their money back at the end of it.2. Even if it were zero risk, you still need to compensate them for their time. If some guy earns €10,000 and you want to borrow it, then that's a period of time where he doesn't have access to his money. It is not unjust to expect you to pay him extra at the end as compensation for that.
(DIR) Post #AKU4rfNNMLk1nQrwOm by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T16:00:38.862341Z
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> There is no such thing as a free market and there never has been.Agreed, we have always had governments.> It's just a construct that has been created by people who wish to abuse others with license.The people who wish to abuse and harm us certainly like to talk big about how they're just free marketeers, but if you examine their actions they're addicted to government power.I would like to take that power away. It has not done us any good.
(DIR) Post #AKU51gGQueAvRjOfIG by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T16:02:27.744122Z
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> There is no such thing as a free market and there never has been.Agreed, we have always had governments. However we can still compare outcomes in freer markets compared to more regulated ones. The pattern is clear, the more intervention a government does the harsher conditions will get. There are a very few exceptions if you restrict your lens to a specific decade, but in the long run intervention is not a good strategy.> It's just a construct that has been created by people who wish to abuse others with license.The people who wish to abuse and harm us certainly like to talk big about how they're just free marketeers, but if you examine their actions they're addicted to government power.I would like to take that power away. It has not done us any good.
(DIR) Post #AKU5Do7vVMCDJ7CURE by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:04:39.130032Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast The smart way to talk about this is what are valid structures for regulation and to understand the process of how corruption has played out
(DIR) Post #AKU5daT6uOe2TZOyJc by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T16:09:18.483493Z
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> That's not a fair representation of what happened. There has been massive overcentralisation for the purposes of parasitesYES. Governments interface most easily with large organisations. The SEC can't possibly hope to regulate a million tiny banks across a continent, so they end up creating rules which incentivise scale. So banks get more and more centralised until they're an oligopoly.> any ostensible promise of fairness is irrelevant. It's not actual fairness.I fully agree. Regulators can not and will never produce fairness. But they will promise it and weak minded people will believe them.> If it were, we would have the productive capacity of our civilisation much more equitably distributed.Life isn't equal, we shouldn't expect outcomes to be equal, although I agree the current distribution of wealth is so skewed it's evidence of corruption. Public employees and their contractors are not a million times more productive than the average person.> You can't boil the problems we've had with finance over the past 100 years to "government".I can though. Any time I follow a thread trying to find out what's going on with some fucked up industry I find jews and government officials keeping them in power.> If Larry Fink had 0 integration with government, he'd still be a disgusting bloated leech, using his money for nefarious purposes.Bold claim. So if all these jews could have gotten rich doing anything why do they try to maximise government intervention so hard.
(DIR) Post #AKU5jbBHAn0cQGvUno by MyLittleFashy@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:09:17.912490Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR Let’s look at this from a human standpoint first, why is interest bad.1: It creates a “lender” class of people with increasing power.2: It creates debt slavery.A better system would be one that removes the creation of the lender class and the creation of debt slavery while still allowing for socially beneficial high capital cost project to be financed.If we agree on these points, we can go into details, if we don’t, getting into the economic issues and potential solutions is pretty pointless.And maybe we don’t because I forgot something, I’m not asking you to agree, I’m asking you *if* you agree 😅
(DIR) Post #AKU5ofEJXw0qQclM8G by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T16:11:18.864448Z
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Enlighten me.So far I haven't been impressed by many people in this thread. Certainly haven't been any new ideas or new arguments for them.
(DIR) Post #AKU5owulnL4fHDl0AS by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:11:21.862175Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Let's apply the logic of lending money to anything else that isn't money. If I borrow your hose, would it make sense to demand I return not only your hose but also a few drinking straws as well? Obviously not. The argument that interest is the price of time doesn't hold water either, considering money lent at interest wasn't going to be doing anything else anyway. It's a justification after the fact.A competitive lending market increases the availability of money in general, making money less expensive and therefore less valuable, which raises prices. Student loans are a perfect example. Anyone can get a student loan that cannot be bankrupted out of, ergo the price of going to college increases and the value of college education decreases. Both of these issues are exacerbated by government guarantees, sure, but those issues exist without the government. Credit cards are no different. House loans, car loans, payday loans, etc. The number of examples of credit availability raising prices are endless.
(DIR) Post #AKU5w17gXxeoM7AV6m by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:12:38.441714Z
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@MyLittleFashy @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR I don't see how charging interest is necessary for "high capital cost projects" to be financed.
(DIR) Post #AKU5zOSUF5Trb9VZ32 by Exile@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:08:15.595196Z
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@MyLittleFashy @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR @sickburnbro There is always a thumb on the scales of risk vis a vis the borrower. The concept of "opportunity costs" re: the lender's money is this kind of swindle and it rests on the shaky foundation of an economy which is 100% leveraged. Money at rest is money shrinking, eternal growth must be sustained and the value of every transaction is assessed by a constant upward ratchet of "what I could have better invested in." Collateral like a generations-held family home is treated as a partial value hedge and all value beyond the fire-sale dollar amount of that property to strangers outside that community is entirely disregarded. And this is just one of the more pleasant masks usury wears.
(DIR) Post #AKU6K2uPYgN4qQPwHY by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:16:59.029352Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy to begin with, unless it's a line of credit, money a bank lends is to a business is going to be secured. That means if a business goes bust, the bank becomes a creditor on their remaining assets, and they will have recovery.This is also why corporate bonds exist.
(DIR) Post #AKU6Y4dpug3GGxLzEW by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T16:19:30.254771Z
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> Let's apply the logic of lending money to anything else that isn't money. If I borrow your hose, would it make sense to demand I return not only your hose but also a few drinking straws as well? Obviously not. The argument that interest is the price of time doesn't hold water either, considering money lent at interest wasn't going to be doing anything else anyway. It's a justification after the fact.Your example is broken. If you want to borrow my hose for half an hour when I'm not using it then I haven't been deprived of anything and it's highly unlikely I'm not doing to get it back. Even if you did accidentally run your lawnmower over it or something you'd probably offer to replace it.If you wanted to borrow my hose for five years, my business is based around using my hose and it's worth a significant portion of my savings then yes, I would want something in return.> A competitive lending market increases the availability of money in general, making money less expensive and therefore less valuable, which raises prices.No more so than spending it.> Student loans are a perfect example. Anyone can get a student loan that cannot be bankrupted out of, ergo the price of going to college increases and the value of college education decreases.Student loans are the way they are because of state guarantees. They're as close to a zero risk loan as can exist, so yes, they're skewing the market but the problem isn't the existence of interest. If it were then student loans would have been a problem long before now, but they weren't.> Both of these issues are exacerbated by government guarantees, sure, but those issues exist without the government.Then why is it only a recent problem?> Credit cards are no different. House loans, car loans, payday loans, etc. The number of examples of credit availability raising prices are endless.House loans are also subject to taxpayer guarantees and were not a problem before them. Car loans, again, not a problem until recently. Payday loansharking is sad, but fundementally comes down to idiots ruining their lives. No amount of laws can prevent them from being idiots and even if you tried to legislate them into safety you'd create so much red tape the rest of us would suffocate.
(DIR) Post #AKU6rAI988DJIYJNo0 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T16:22:52.911270Z
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In theory, yes. In practice when a company goes through bankruptcy there's a hierarchy of creditors. The government gets first bite to cover unpaid taxes and usually that's where it ends. If by some miracle there's anything left over then institutional creditors (like banks) get the next bite, but if there were enough to cover those debts then they wouldn't have gone bankrupt to begin with.Trade creditors and customers come a distant third and usually get nothing.
(DIR) Post #AKU6yR5J5ov5PKlzuK by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:24:17.078890Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy That because youre a libertarian faggot/retard"W-wont some one think of the poor banks" No faggot we wont because theyre liars and scammers. They can go fuck themselves its not even their money they loan out they arent entitled too a single fucking cent on loans
(DIR) Post #AKU7A7KwLBc3dTehn6 by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:26:23.691623Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy yes, trade creditors usually get nothing. I don't know if I've ever heard of customers getting anything.
(DIR) Post #AKU7EqYCB9JN1R6vdA by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T16:27:12.830436Z
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With small community or family projects there's social rewards for being generous. It's worth me putting €1000 into my nephew's college fund because it strengthens our family bonds and there'll be more people looking out for me if I have trouble of some kind.With a large project exceeding dunbar's number that no longer applies. Even if some stranger knows who I am and feels grateful to me for donating to a hydroelectric dam, I'm never going to see any social benefits.Furthermore there's thousands of such projects which could be invested in and I have no direct idea which of them is the most valuable. So we use price signals. Each project makes an argument as to what amount of value they'll be able to produce based on consumer sentiment, and I get a direct financial reward based on how much value my investments end up creating in practice.I'd actually argue in favour of keeping projects as local and community based as possible but that's not always practical.
(DIR) Post #AKU7MgHgEUsDUx7bMW by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T16:28:40.019666Z
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It usually comes up when the customer buys something but it hasn't been shipped, or if they send something back to the company for repair. They get jewed out of the thing they paid for and it gets sold at auction.
(DIR) Post #AKU7SJ9x7f3tW3BrGq by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T16:29:40.791479Z
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I can see you have nothing to contribute either 😂
(DIR) Post #AKU83UwCIKFAlAUQz2 by MyLittleFashy@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:28:04.508814Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR I never said it was, by looking at history high capital cost projects have been financed in the following ways:•Community investment, generally in the form of “sweat capital”, farmers cooperating to build a mill for example, this works well for things with obvious social benefits, I’m not sure it scales (and historically there has been a huge issue with governance of those projects, millers were assholes and often small j jews for their village…)•Sovereign investment, either from “corvee” (sweat tax), from monetary tax, or from money printing, depending on the level of development of the monetary system.•Community investment in the form of donations, especially in a religious setting, it’s a form of the first, but with a twist.•Indirect sovereign investment, the sovereign creates a corporation and finances it’s infrastructure “for free” because he expects the positive externalities to be worth it.•Stock based corporations; I don’t think I need to go into details in how this went horribly wrong in the age of exploration… •Bank loans, this is where interest happens.There are probably other methods, but I don’t see them in the past.My point is that I’m very wary of the results of removing the last option without removing the second to last one, because the second to last one has had and still has worse consequences than the last.Especially since the first option tends to slide into the second to last one when scaling up, at least that’s what the past seems to tell us.I’m partial to sovereign investment myself, not because it removes the governance issues, they are there, but because it merges those governance issues with politics, and politics are an inevitable governance problem anyways.And you cut the important part of my sentence, it was about financing "socially beneficial" high capital cost projects, not all high capital cost projects 😉
(DIR) Post #AKU83VSSMO32NDaCGW by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T16:36:23.971539Z
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Sovereign investment is essentially just central planning. The problem is that without competition there's no reason to ever deal with corruption or inefficiency, so it just builds up until everything collapses.It's essentially what we have now with blackrock and the federal reserve. A few moguls we have absolutely no control over decide what to spend our resources on, even though we hate their decisions.Stock investing is fine, but I've covered before how it doesn't really alter much and small businesses prefer to remain independent.Age of exploration like the east india company? Not really the same thing since that was essentially a government monopoly with private funding.
(DIR) Post #AKU8AAVwcvEfRdOJXc by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T16:37:36.549603Z
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I agree. Hence why government is the problem. If lenders lose money that should be the end of it, no recourse beyond what they contracted for. If they make shitty lending decisions and keep losing money they should go under.
(DIR) Post #AKU8LcxTDH7gqbjK1A by andreas@yggdrasil.social
2022-06-14T16:39:40.971516Z
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@Ricotta @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @Godcast @Irishblackpilled @Ottovonshitpost @Telvannichad @josh @sickburnbro italians and niggers are a toxic concoction.
(DIR) Post #AKU8V6LBL5sKa8L2yO by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:41:21.958498Z
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@MyLittleFashy @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR There's really no moral or economic issue with a company selling portions of ownership. The issues you're referring, I think, arise when the expectation is that the value of said ownership is expected to rise perpetually, an expectation which, itself, is fueled by usury. In principle, buying a vote in executive decision-making for a company, and/or being entitled to a cut of the profits via dividends, and being able to get first pick of company resources if a company goes bankrupt is morally neutral and doesn't contribute to societal decline, nor does it create a slave class.
(DIR) Post #AKU8hP6LPgMsF4GTHE by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T16:43:36.695648Z
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Ok, so value is "the public good" and the leader works out what the public good is. How does the leader find out what the public needs most? Surveys? Telebanking?In a market economy there's a simple answer for that: If people need more of something they pay more for it, and eventually rising prices make it clear what's needed. The producers don't need to know how or why it's needed, they just know they need to make more of it.Meanwhile attempts to just have a very smart person (or even group of smart people) decide what's needed haven't gone well. They can't possibly know enough to make those decisions for millions of people.
(DIR) Post #AKU8k2ht8EFdei5FvU by MyLittleFashy@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:36:39.275027Z
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@Exile @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR @sickburnbro I agree that opportunity cost is a consequence of capitalism and not a cause.But I'm not convinced that we don't need an engine of growth, not necessarily one that goes mad into a critical excursion of course, but the economic growth that came from the reification of the time value of money was not 100% negative.I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, *if* we don't have a choice, ok fine, goodbye baby, but I'm not convinced we don't.
(DIR) Post #AKU8k3CjHYvBCMVszw by Exile@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:43:48.491872Z
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@MyLittleFashy @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR @sickburnbro We're probably in agreement but for semantics. There is a certain level of investment that is beneficial to sustain new generations in their businesses, crafts and professions - stasis isn't the goal, just a sustainable equilibrium. Eventually growth stresses carrying capacity/scarcity boundaries though and when that happens, growth, not boundaries, is what has to yield.
(DIR) Post #AKU9MGxQb2tUrDa8Bc by MyLittleFashy@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:50:26.088827Z
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@Exile @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR @sickburnbro I'm a feudal enjoyer, so I don't need to be convinced that current growth patterns are "problematic".But I'm also a growth enjoyer, in part because you don't really find the limits of carrying capacity without getting near them (they exist, but history seems to prove that they are always much further away than expected :D), and if you don't get near them, someone will take your resource and use it better than you !MyLittleFascism is basically "Feudalism, with nuclear power" :ablobhyper:
(DIR) Post #AKU9co5LCFGEEaAQKG by Ropshin@kiwifarms.cc
2022-06-14T16:20:33.760178Z
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@josh @sickburnbro @Godcast Jesus fucking Christ, I remember back when card companies kept sending me offers, it as almost always something like a 23% minimum across the board. No way I'm doing that, even for my credit score.
(DIR) Post #AKU9uVOPQvKdTOWdqi by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T16:57:11.365911Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Pvt_Property @sickburnbro if you have a good leader it'll work out.No really, that's how it's been for most of history.It's not that complicated.Sure, it's not as efficient at generating wealth, but I've already addressed that.And surveys? Democracy is gay.
(DIR) Post #AKUAM81buJvh6k27dY by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T17:02:10.980045Z
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> if you have a good leader it'll work out.> No really, that's how it's been for most of history.For most of history we lived in communities of less than 500 people. It's perfectly possible to just have one guy decide everything when he knows everyone by name and sees them on a daily basis.This does not scale up to the level of a modern day nation-state. Even if a leader isn't corrupt there's no possible way they can know everything an orange farmer knows about oranges *AND* everything a coal miner knows about coal.> Sure, it's not as efficient at generating wealth, but I've already addressed that.The cost isn't "a few less numbers on a balance sheet" it's "not having enough resources left over for services considered basic and essential in an efficient economy."> And surveys? Democracy is gay.Democracy? Surveys are how centrally planned economies like the USSR used to try to replace price signals. Ridiculous I know.
(DIR) Post #AKUBiy6R41BmwukFQe by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T17:17:30.948065Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro jews are the problemI'd trust white lenders in a white govt
(DIR) Post #AKUC9ndE6SXoIBsPvE by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T17:22:18.348999Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @Pvt_Property @sickburnbro I think your catching on
(DIR) Post #AKUDSfuH9HPfn2Ppc8 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T17:36:58.881414Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro What are you contributing? Defense of banks and faggoty libertarianism that everyone agrees is a total failure?
(DIR) Post #AKULuGhHGoxjLT0Kqe by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T19:11:36.049875Z
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> La la la everyone agrees with meLol
(DIR) Post #AKUM3H2VMnUp0tEAPA by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T19:13:14.090587Z
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My position hasn't changed tho.
(DIR) Post #AKUNXZ8ijcNdnA8vVQ by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T19:29:54.911109Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Libertarianism is dead you fucking retard gary johnson finished by proving theyre retarded clowns.
(DIR) Post #AKUNbGyODgmKbj4vKq by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T19:30:34.559450Z
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Here, have some punctuation: . . . , , , ,
(DIR) Post #AKUNkdeHHWuXXb8Z9M by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T19:32:16.665493Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Lmao giving up that easy. Fuck the banks why do you think they have the right too loan out other peoples money for profit while giving them shit in return. Fuck off with this bullshit the debate has been over for years.
(DIR) Post #AKUPFK0GTMffXjcGAK by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T19:49:01.680187Z
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"Giving up" against what lol? 😂 You haven't actually made any arguments other than that you think everyone agrees with you. Did you come here from reddit or something?
(DIR) Post #AKUPN1gGTmgz27w2M4 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T19:50:24.957423Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Youre shilling for fucking banks clown i dont need an argument i need too call you dumb fucking faggot.
(DIR) Post #AKUQDEEB4iat0OgoU4 by Dan_Hulson@poa.st
2022-06-14T19:59:51.350417Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro I think Fascism as it right on usury the state would offer interest free grants and loans and regulated banking tightly.Loans should be a hand up to help you get ahead in life not a chain around your neck
(DIR) Post #AKUQWJRlYPpmfzWBNI by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:03:17.511289Z
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Ok, so let me get this straight, I'm "giving up" on debating an argument you haven't made because you don't need to? 😂
(DIR) Post #AKUQeWDrwC9mcHvlse by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:04:42.288406Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Lmao yes why not continue shilling the banks instead of whining about punctuation? And you have the nerve too call me reddit. Youre a fucking faggot
(DIR) Post #AKUQw0xOvAfirPZRLc by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:07:56.839983Z
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So central planning, some GOSPLAN type outfit gives funding to whatever industries the state approves of. And then a few generations later everyone's wondering why they can't afford toilet paper or fresh fruit.As for regulators... we've already played that game many many times. It always ends the same way: The industry and the regulators become indistinguishable and the main function the regulators perform is to protect the established two or three players from competition.
(DIR) Post #AKUR2MNYBk6R2JpNAW by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:09:05.552136Z
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@Boomerman @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro He's not even a libertarian. Libertarians used to spit at fractional reserve banks, at the FED, at free money for certain institutions.This guy is a boomer conservative.
(DIR) Post #AKUR3Gn0SHjtzUAUca by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:09:15.517120Z
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Why not, you act like a redditor. I asked you to use punctuation because your comment was so garbled I still have no idea what you were trying to say.
(DIR) Post #AKUR86W252PtZiXAoa by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:10:07.986334Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Worse i think hes NRX
(DIR) Post #AKURAuDyEfMAK5QCoq by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:10:37.836581Z
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> Libertarians used to spit at fractional reserve banks, at the FED, at free money for certain institutions.Where did I support any of those things?Give me a quote. I'm sure you have it in you to not look like an idiot. 😂
(DIR) Post #AKURE4LX3hrgaIT0oi by Dan_Hulson@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:11:12.666216Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Fascism was never allowed to fully play out so we don't know that it would fall apart as they are mixed model economies so are more stable.But its Ok to disagree my Brother all families have different opinions on things
(DIR) Post #AKURITHkHK315bnLJg by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:12:00.422193Z
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@Eiregoat @MechaSilvio @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >spend a whole thread defending usury and banking/loans>N-not those particular ones thoughFuck off fag
(DIR) Post #AKURNSJXJg5BWe0dVY by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:12:54.425537Z
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If you can't back up your claims just say so. It's considerably less soytarded.
(DIR) Post #AKURQ38RO5s2Ir3Y48 by HighChiefVercingetorix@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:02:43.688826Z
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@Godcast @MyLittleFashy @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR Just people are lazy and instead of researching 2-5 main companies to invest in and be actively involved in following them. People outsource the decision making of where to invest to Pointy line go up or line is more volatile.
(DIR) Post #AKURQqvkFZQMjxV7Dc by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:13:30.705411Z
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Sounds accurate.
(DIR) Post #AKURRrIaMkXAAkfEQa by HighChiefVercingetorix@poa.st
2022-06-14T19:54:57.707216Z
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@Eiregoat @Godcast @josh @GLObalMARinePR @sickburnbro Banks already view who they lend to as investments.
(DIR) Post #AKURSOXGnAt7FqmvOi by HighChiefVercingetorix@poa.st
2022-06-14T19:57:35.656176Z
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@MyLittleFashy @Godcast @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR Capital projects can just have guaranteed supply agreements. So X Utility company agrees to buy a set amount of electricity from a hydroelectric dam. Rather than making money from interest they are guaranteeing their supply.
(DIR) Post #AKURVT0wb5WG0u8J1s by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:14:21.334896Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro My claim is banks and loan schemes can get fucked and youre a fag for defending it. The thread backs me up.
(DIR) Post #AKURdDYByVK2N1NdUe by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:15:45.000287Z
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> The thread backs me up.Ah yes, the 'ol "trust the consensus." Do you like to hang out on upworthy also?
(DIR) Post #AKURg6dM9CoNmsAmtU by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:16:14.599209Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro
(DIR) Post #AKURk3migKsO6rRE0G by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:16:59.532316Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >cant into reading comprehension >calls people redditors and complains about punctuation
(DIR) Post #AKURpWduoeGH3ivTqS by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:17:58.692229Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy As an aside, I would mention this is the same kind of argument that is done with age of consent.
(DIR) Post #AKURqH0WQvg2r9rBT6 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:18:06.954008Z
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Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear: I would like you to back up your insinuation that I support:* Fractional reserve banking* The fed* Free money for certain institutionsYou can't of course since I never stated support for any of those things, so basically I'm just enjoying making you look foolish.
(DIR) Post #AKURyifjScOmyQ9yoS by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:19:38.419718Z
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@Eiregoat @MechaSilvio @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro You just spent a whole thread whining that the government is picking on the poor banks people can read it you fucking idiot.
(DIR) Post #AKUS12A9xuhq0CUnaq by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:20:03.258676Z
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@sickburnbro @Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy He's doing "ACKCHYUALLY EPHEBOPHILIA" but for usury
(DIR) Post #AKUS2jHv72Iq2fvylc by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:20:22.092074Z
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You mashed your keyboard and bleated out some random words. Reading comprehension can only go so far.Anyhow the time has come for you to either make an argument (seriously, anything) or leave the thread. Any further replies that do not contain an argument will receive copypasta.And no "everyone agrees with me even my mommy" isn't an argument.
(DIR) Post #AKUS55DiXXgwdv5gUC by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:20:47.483555Z
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@sickburnbro @MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy This dude is a massive bad faith fag
(DIR) Post #AKUS5NjZhps03w8Ndo by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:20:50.305116Z
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No I did not. Read again.
(DIR) Post #AKUS5QXdGh6EllZNwW by johnbudd1350@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:20:51.181763Z
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@MechaSilvio @sickburnbro @Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy But what if the desperate goy consents???
(DIR) Post #AKUS8UCy5lSt0hMZ72 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:21:24.363825Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Why are you defending usury?
(DIR) Post #AKUS8iasbeuVcuerKK by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:21:26.940461Z
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You literally told me you "don't need to make an argument." And *I'm* the one arguing in bad faith? 😂
(DIR) Post #AKUSCkFEPW8huAS6IC by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:22:10.287049Z
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I already told you I refuse to debate vaguely defined terms. Be specific with your terms and make an argument.
(DIR) Post #AKUSK6FL0VAiAY0clc by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:23:30.311454Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro What is vague about the term usury? Its exploitative loan practices whats vague?
(DIR) Post #AKUSM7T9QpUgXaQv9U by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:23:52.211286Z
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@johnbudd1350 @MechaSilvio @sickburnbro @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy You signed the contract goy
(DIR) Post #AKUSMSsjotRGx1Z9Rw by Fellow_Groyper@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:22:58.753675Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Picking an arbitrary number and then forcing banks to abide by it by force is actually cool and based
(DIR) Post #AKUSPTOONVHFP3o3c0 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:24:27.436514Z
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That's the fourth definition I've been given today.Ok, what's "exploitative" then. Define it in a manner a court can apply objectively to any situation.
(DIR) Post #AKUSQYqNayTUbGPr2O by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:24:39.967262Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Yes i can read the thread hop in and call you a retarded fag.
(DIR) Post #AKUSV9QhVoHBE9as52 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:25:29.938124Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Fuck you. Credit cards are the most common example.
(DIR) Post #AKUSXqc9vHfbk3Escq by VidMasterEon@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:23:40.700415Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast Ever heard of equity or royalties?
(DIR) Post #AKUSXrEnbcZvftJjqy by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:25:59.246041Z
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Royalties are when you licence intellectual copyright (which also belongs in the wood chipper), I don't see how they apply.Equity is the portion of a mortgaged property's value you've paid off. Ditto.
(DIR) Post #AKUSbMlErMSsJLAD2m by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:26:37.443518Z
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I know you can. You just can't do anything more than that.
(DIR) Post #AKUSbjuwlQte86smrw by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:26:41.188716Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Give an exact definition of porn. You can't but you know what's porn when you see it. Same with usury.
(DIR) Post #AKUSfGCXBsUr7mmuY4 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:27:17.624563Z
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That's not a definition. Try again.
(DIR) Post #AKUSjs4yIqNpl9RuT2 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:28:09.731386Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >idk what a word means that has existed for nearly 2000 years >im arguing in good faith here
(DIR) Post #AKUSkAkOtYDZeqyFXc by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:28:12.550199Z
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Incidentally the "I know it when I see it" standard for obscenity was dropped for being too vague if that's what you're referring to.
(DIR) Post #AKUSlBs2Ckl3Qm1jge by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:28:23.934003Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Here's a definition: you are an insufferable faggot
(DIR) Post #AKUSoCa61EWMVI4YBk by josh@kiwifarms.cc
2022-06-14T20:28:54.281816Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro thanks for including me in your discussion all fucking day
(DIR) Post #AKUSobUzNMI3mgsKCO by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:29:00.742288Z
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Ok, so this word is so well defined everyone knows what it means... but you also can't define it when asked.
(DIR) Post #AKUSqCNHl3x6RT24R6 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:29:18.422795Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Fuck off im not playing the definition game. Credit cards are an exploitative loan mechanism. Do you think theyre acceptable yes or no?
(DIR) Post #AKUSu2EJPyBq8YfGUa by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:29:59.947754Z
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"Mute conversation"I only found it last night. You need to do it on one of your own posts or comments or it doesn't show up.
(DIR) Post #AKUSvRZEhPcZ0e7hgW by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:30:15.223966Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Its been defined multiple times tou refuse too accept a definition because youre a bad faith faggot wanting too argue in circles
(DIR) Post #AKUT6R0l6hH6TDEndA by FederalAgent69@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:32:03.167391Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Boomerman @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro This guy makes me understand why Anglos treated the Irish like niggers for thousands of years.
(DIR) Post #AKUT6sw7HYCN4vHUHY by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:32:19.182109Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro "Jews and bureaucrats dropped this definition because was inconvenient for them checkmate Nazi "
(DIR) Post #AKUT7AtwUN9enOP0OO by VidMasterEon@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:29:28.901513Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @sickburnbro I think it would work better like this:I give you X money. I own Y percent of your company until you pay me back my initial investment
(DIR) Post #AKUT7DlBrMw7f7KYfQ by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:32:21.559939Z
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Yep, that's been proposed a few times in the thread (I was the first incidentally). The problem is that:1. In most respects it doesn't really make much of a difference. The same amount of money is loaned and the same amount of profit on top of the principle has to be paid back. If interest lending is morally wrong then so is investing.2. Small businesses like independence, they don't want a big bank owning a percentage of them. Borrowing money is more secure than selling shares.
(DIR) Post #AKUTCNesUC1doCq2Fs by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:33:18.752585Z
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No deal. If you can't define your terms then I'm not talking to you. You'll just change the definition to suit your argument whenever you feel like it.
(DIR) Post #AKUTD1TESuTfHfhIem by sapphire@shortstackran.ch
2022-06-14T20:33:25.966555Z
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@MechaSilvio @josh @Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro actually, funnily enough that's a spot-on comparison considering he tried to pull the "gimme a court definition goy" copoutIn the United States, pornography (or more accurately, obscenity) is legally defined subjectively.
(DIR) Post #AKUTLBnxvTibeVI0Dw by job384@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:34:54.311650Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Mute thread niggergoat
(DIR) Post #AKUTLFLkkJWmeA7Wnw by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:34:54.100252Z
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No it hasn't. So far I've gotten:* "It's just whatever I think it is."* Credit cards are an example* Fuck you I don't have to define it* It's been defined loads of timesNone of those are definitions. You can't define it because it's a vague concept. Subjective concepts cannot be used to create laws, laws need to be objective.
(DIR) Post #AKUTOozQh5a03DNppY by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:35:33.258119Z
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So when do I get mogged?
(DIR) Post #AKUTT08FD3WXlYV21o by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:36:19.150536Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Usury is a term you apply too something there is no one definition of it. Im telling you credit cards are usuris. Do you think im missapplying that label?
(DIR) Post #AKUTYLa0tVPXjX2NlY by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:37:17.074220Z
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Nope!> Pornography–"porn" or "porno" for short–is material that depicts nudity or sexual acts for the purpose of sexual stimulation. However, the presence of nudity or sexual acts in piece of media does not necessarily make that media pornographic if the purpose of that media form is something other than sexual stimulation. Pornography can take the form of photographs, videos, written material, audio recordings, or animation, among other media formats. Like I said "I know it when I see it" was thrown out for being too subjective.
(DIR) Post #AKUTbze4O8wOrYfoSu by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:37:56.227546Z
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I'm not debating porn, you are debating usury and proposing to ban it. So what exactly are you proposing to ban?
(DIR) Post #AKUTcd0Q2yzWwAQiDQ by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:37:56.478886Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro "Define usury" = "I'm the best shabbos goy I love Jews I'll suck them until the end of time"Fuck your legal definitions who gives a fuck about a corrupt judicial system that spent last 80+ years fucking with common people.
(DIR) Post #AKUTcgPhNRzlVRHRXE by sapphire@shortstackran.ch
2022-06-14T20:38:04.072564Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test time for you to learn something buddy. You'll notice I clarified to obscenity for a reason.
(DIR) Post #AKUTi9Swmx1P3gPKAC by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:39:03.231856Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Its a label you apply too exploitative loan practices so yes when someone says "its whatever i think" theyre right because its a label you apply too an action. Like when i call you a faggot for how you behave.
(DIR) Post #AKUTiFKeyfxRFiZn4y by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:39:04.457856Z
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Do you want to ban usury or do you not?If you do, what practice exactly are you proposing to ban? If you can't answer then why should anyone take you seriously?You might as well declare "I want to ban badness."
(DIR) Post #AKUTkwnqKFWueaVxFg by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:39:33.759894Z
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@Eiregoat @MechaSilvio @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro I just told you credit cards you fucking retard
(DIR) Post #AKUToLFlsMeFM1CDwG by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:40:09.016573Z
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Then it's a ban on loans, because anyone can think any loan is exploitative.This is about as watertight as banning offensive speech.
(DIR) Post #AKUTqQ1N7WmOiiS2u8 by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:39:40.999954Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro There was laws in every state in the US banning Usury until one politician in north Dakota changed the laws there. That's why many big banks are based out of ND.They jewed the US legal system to make Usury legal
(DIR) Post #AKUTqRDSg42oQV7DO4 by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:40:25.497142Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Usury isn't an abstract idea nigger. It is something that good honest white people knew was wrong for hundreds of years
(DIR) Post #AKUTsePEbnrfugg3G4 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:40:57.216409Z
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Awesome! How did they define it and are you willing to go with that definition?I just want to know what you guys are arguing for but apparently you don't know yourselves.
(DIR) Post #AKUTt411ORwfL7Y57w by LouisConde@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:40:57.013790Z
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@sapphire @Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro People don't realize the federal government still prosecuted obscenity cases.
(DIR) Post #AKUTtsFyb7cJ9yvjNY by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:41:10.266885Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Yes the majority of loans should be banned
(DIR) Post #AKUTy4baczOQcJ2fAG by LouisConde@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:41:52.348610Z
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@sapphire People don't realize the federal government still prosecutes obscenity cases.
(DIR) Post #AKUTyrmFo82R7ZPN5c by VidMasterEon@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:39:59.687561Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @sickburnbro I was just spitballingI think if we ban usury things will automatically adjust banks have to be more careful with loans but it worked in the past It will also help with price inflationCars and houses have to sell at prices the average person can afford as they can no longer risk giving out loans to every person
(DIR) Post #AKUTysBmHESGOjLksC by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:42:04.038041Z
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Ok, but what specifically are you banning them from doing?Like I said, every time I ask what usury is I get a different answer. Or they realise they don't know what it means, go red in the face and start hurling insults.
(DIR) Post #AKUU0YMgx8ypUhFwK8 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:42:19.943018Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Along with banks
(DIR) Post #AKUU6TB19iht8lcIa0 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:43:25.349231Z
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@LouisConde @sapphire Patriot front comes too mind
(DIR) Post #AKUU8Xj9Cy3xpgZMY4 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:43:32.279019Z
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Ok, progress. So which type of loans specifically should be banned. If your answer is "exploitative ones" who gets to decide which ones are exploitative and what standard do they use to decide.
(DIR) Post #AKUUCQc3bKaavU6bSK by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:44:31.669498Z
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Toddlers have been getting mad about things not being fair for hundreds of years too. Just because something makes someone upset doesn't mean it should be banned.
(DIR) Post #AKUUFQqhBCogWkNv60 by D@wei.mentalswarf.com
2022-06-14T20:45:03.212378Z
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@Boomerman @josh @Eiregoat @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro What’s an Aleppo? Can you smoke it?
(DIR) Post #AKUUI1TXyQxmhZnCro by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:45:32.212312Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro The definition is a millennia old: "if we feel exploited by numerical tricks we burn your accounting books and run you out of town or kill you"You're a faggot stop using the Black Sun, Himmler would execute you for defending usury
(DIR) Post #AKUUK0nJTerJAUzEFk by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:45:54.049006Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Anything involving compound interest. Nothing over 10% total interest on the principle. The government/populace should decide ultimately
(DIR) Post #AKUUMDAkQYPg8Yzrf6 by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:45:25.077188Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro You're being annoyingly stubborn and defending Jewish tricks. But I'll do your research for you. Here's one article. And it's SD not ND.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/07/how-citibank-made-south-dakota-the-top-state-in-the-us-for-business/425661/
(DIR) Post #AKUUQpFwm4VZPVd3TM by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:47:07.661790Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Yeah it's called JUSTICE
(DIR) Post #AKUUT7owissVZB60jw by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:47:32.844151Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Libertarian faggot
(DIR) Post #AKUUYeW0aoXCPlsELI by VidMasterEon@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:45:08.609737Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @sickburnbro Cant speak for everyone else but my definition is interest on all loansIf you lend 100 you get back 100 If you dont think you can get 100 back from crackhead johnny dont lend to him This primarily worked in the past based on honor and reputation You didnt want to be known as the guy who never pays back debts
(DIR) Post #AKUUYeu79BohcX9Tuq by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:48:32.451055Z
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So, so why would anyone lend anything? If there's only ever a risk of not getting your money back and no reward there's no reason to lend.> This primarily worked in the past based on honor and reputationWhen is "the past"? Some of the earliest records we have of civilisation are about loans and interest rates.
(DIR) Post #AKUUZUqi15zSj1xUpM by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:46:43.321197Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/10/14/when-south-dakota-became-new-cayman-islands-banks-finance/
(DIR) Post #AKUUbsploRB7gyepua by Bvst3r@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:49:07.859764Z
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@josh Don’t click any hell threadsDon’t click any hell threads Don’t click any hell threads
(DIR) Post #AKUUdNXv6x9vEY1OV6 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:49:24.085960Z
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Ok soyboy
(DIR) Post #AKUUjeqTho8mckhCvw by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:50:32.140330Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Youre banter is weak and your shits all retarded. You ever gonna defend credit cards or keep pretending you dont know what usury is
(DIR) Post #AKUUlIqKTsd0xpPWrY by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:50:38.641949Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro marketplace.org/2009/03/25/sioux-falls-town-credit-built/amp/
(DIR) Post #AKUUnPQexuvty9PNXU by Sunliver@kiwifarms.cc
2022-06-14T20:45:20.686819Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro A cap on interest rates would be a nice start. It used to be illegal for >25% interest rates in my state, and even that was far too high. Now that cap is gone, and shit is crazy. Anything over single digit interest rates must go.
(DIR) Post #AKUUnc8LjJ0jN7wRIu by CasperDoogan@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:51:15.042862Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >define "irish" define "potato" define "famine"anglos should have finished the job when they had the chance
(DIR) Post #AKUUqCB2gyEZjoQqiO by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:51:42.957302Z
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@Sunliver @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Id say 10% flat interest is ok
(DIR) Post #AKUUrTbLOXDI4GLTBA by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:50:59.758536Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro More than 10% was considered Usury
(DIR) Post #AKUUrrzGjEbxhPiuno by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:52:00.849571Z
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Ok, so you're defining usury as exceeding a *cap* on interest rates?
(DIR) Post #AKUUy48QTc6P70xeO8 by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:52:51.779333Z
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@CasperDoogan @MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Keep my potatoes out of your mouth.COME OUT YE BLACK AND TANS
(DIR) Post #AKUV0JFfFBU2ZiPtT6 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:53:32.437894Z
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Ok, so if my feelings get hurt I can destroy your property and unilaterally exile you. Just so we're clear about the standard you're pushing for here.
(DIR) Post #AKUV5GAI9CbGRxGRDU by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:54:26.399256Z
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@Eiregoat @MechaSilvio @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Yea its called history faggot
(DIR) Post #AKUV6Tv0UvX1OYhIwa by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:53:52.754458Z
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@Eiregoat @MechaSilvio @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Bankers aren't people.
(DIR) Post #AKUV7FFsV99YCtp8V6 by CasperDoogan@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:54:47.956227Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro btw you're running cover for the financial scheme that has empowered jews to displace your ethnic kin from their homeland with infinity niggers, so have fun with that retard
(DIR) Post #AKUV8mL8ygoR6k1BOi by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:55:00.677033Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy let's look at this from another way. Why are payday loans bad?
(DIR) Post #AKUV9BeUrs9Dc0GUXA by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:55:08.090961Z
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No, not "a nice start" I asked specifically what you want to ban. As usual I'm getting ten different answer and a bunch of people acting offended I even expected an answer.As for these high interest loans... have you considered just not taking them? I've never taken a double digit loan in my life, sounds like something a retard would do.
(DIR) Post #AKUVAxak7EVMaDM2xE by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:55:28.213757Z
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@CasperDoogan @MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro They think the black sun is some kind of cover
(DIR) Post #AKUVIP6aDetNwSnU5Q by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:56:48.864580Z
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@sickburnbro @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy He thinks its cool too exploit poor people because theyre "retards" thats his answer
(DIR) Post #AKUVKH8io1WnoggpWa by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:56:20.629060Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Yes, obviously.High interest rates act as a glass (more like concrete) ceiling for the middle/lower class.Class mobility is very limited because it requires the ability to navigate the Jewish credit system which is rigged against normal people.Anything over 10% is ludicrous.
(DIR) Post #AKUVLPms8jEmvU0spE by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:57:11.532308Z
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@Boomerman @Eiregoat @MechaSilvio @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro *laughs in guillotine*
(DIR) Post #AKUVM2RGR07snlCg3k by VidMasterEon@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:51:20.572521Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @sickburnbro Is it really a problem if no one lends?
(DIR) Post #AKUVM34c4hbMlnc6OO by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:57:28.037591Z
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Yes. It means resources and talent go idle. A society that's better at putting skills and resources together will win, simple as.And if a society falls too far behind they get fucked. It'd be nice if that weren't the case but it is.
(DIR) Post #AKUVMdkhhgf2WlaDzs by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:57:34.754609Z
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@LouisConde @sapphire lots of guys seem to misunderstand that people on poast aren't dumb, they're just assholes.
(DIR) Post #AKUVQdZGKcrl768aau by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T20:58:17.955590Z
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According to other people on here that's usury, but ok, let's say 10%.Next question: What do you think determines interest rates?
(DIR) Post #AKUVUuIm3a8SAhSfBY by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:59:03.840967Z
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@Dadbolgainz @Eiregoat @MechaSilvio @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >Ok, so if my feelings get hurt I can destroy your property and unilaterally exile you. Just so we're clear about the standard you're pushing for here.Yes
(DIR) Post #AKUVaAyXUZFNKdVcXo by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:00:00.165923Z
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None of that matters while jews control the money supply and education/media. Those are the two pillars of their control, interest rates are window dressing.
(DIR) Post #AKUVbJeSigNGWvf5bk by D@wei.mentalswarf.com
2022-06-14T21:00:13.398166Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Godcast defined it earlier and you read past it: the collecting of interest on a money loan.Aquinas said money was invented as an intermediary for the exchange of goods. It exists so that if you have a cow and need a knife, you do not have to find the knifemaker who needs a cow. It is unjust for fiat money to profit itself because it is only a medium of exchange rather than something of real value.You didn’t like this definition of usury so you mostly ignored it, or made dishonest arguments about how no one would lend money anymore.Yes: it would destroy personal lending, as it should. Personal lending is essentially abuse of the poor and ensures families can never amass savings because their money goes to the bank while engineered financial disasters cause them to predictably default on their loans.Business lending would continue, but in a form where the lender derives profit from a share of the venture’s success.
(DIR) Post #AKUVbMOGXMCX1Z6hHM by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:00:14.468726Z
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@Eiregoat @Sunliver @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Idc i want a hard cap at 10%
(DIR) Post #AKUVfqwEu0YkvR8kpU by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:01:02.624421Z
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Then you're not serious. A society of perpetually triggered idiots burning each other's shit would last a month at most.
(DIR) Post #AKUVlYxudeEqv8e5aK by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:02:04.951461Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @Sunliver @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Jews in the FED
(DIR) Post #AKUVonTj8SWWnj4JwO by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:02:40.184515Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Well theres gonna be ten gigachads at your door not just one.
(DIR) Post #AKUVrScH9mOyy1Kyfo by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:03:08.512333Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro I'll try to keep it short> DefinitionUsury has historically had an extremely stable and consistent definition. This isn't a nebulous or difficult thing, please don't bury your head in the sand> Central bankingWhen you decouple money from real value (usury) you create the conditions for central banks. This is causation. > InvestingThe difference between an investment and usury is that the investor invests based on what they believe will result in a return. They have to invest in things they think will succeed.A usurer doesn't have to do this. Their profits have nothing to do with the success of a venture. All they care about is whether or not the indebted can service the loan. Historically one of the side effects of this is that lenders would lend with the expectations not that the venture would succeed, but that they would be aim to claim the assets of the indebted. It creates extremely predatory practicesBecause usury decouple the lender from the outcomes of the venture. It decouples money from value.> HouseLike you mentioned with small businesses, with an investment you own a portion of the business. If the business goes to zero your dividends go to zero. With loan repayments it's completely different. The incentives of rent seeking on money and actually investment are not the same. Economies built on one or the other will look different. It's not that hard
(DIR) Post #AKUVsKK3TjufX9EBlo by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:02:25.863178Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro What the fuck do you think were living in vro.That's literally society.
(DIR) Post #AKUVv1KAZOEVTrZ8dM by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:03:47.639216Z
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@Dadbolgainz @Eiregoat @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Fuckin brain dead. What does this clown think the cops are
(DIR) Post #AKUVvenbnrxFuSdhR2 by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:03:19.507447Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro USURY IS A PILLAR OF JEWISH CONTROL YOU FUCKING THICK HEADED NIGGER
(DIR) Post #AKUVxo24RfY77pQcwS by CasperDoogan@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:04:17.184942Z
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@Eiregoat @MechaSilvio @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >110 and never again because feelingsWe just wanted to play videogames>muh precedentsWe're expelling the jews and outlawing loaning money at interest and other retarded financial schemes, the only precedent is power and the collective will to wield it
(DIR) Post #AKUVxtGmyNIFMvLx4q by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T20:58:36.482438Z
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@Boomerman @sickburnbro @Eiregoat @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy The bourgeoisie is very quick to forget thag the house of cards comes falling down when the "retard poor people" stop playing along.
(DIR) Post #AKUVzD6Kj3eXAF5lAG by Donald_McRonald@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:04:33.117385Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast The state should be in control of the banks and the state should issue credit as it sees fit to do so. This is an incredibly easy problem to solve if you just stop being a libertarian.
(DIR) Post #AKUW0KEXh2DZZgSn2W by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:04:45.204106Z
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@Dadbolgainz @sickburnbro @Eiregoat @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy Theyre not anymore the service economy is falling apart
(DIR) Post #AKUW3j9XV4aXjGkH2G by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:05:22.092917Z
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@CasperDoogan @Eiregoat @MechaSilvio @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro We do a little nationalism we do a little socialism
(DIR) Post #AKUW7OG77pj85OZEIa by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:06:01.678366Z
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I didn't read past it, I replied and tore it apart.Anyhow the problem isn't that no one has ever given me a definition it's that they've given me ten completely different ones, so when someone says "I want to ban usury" I have to ask them what tf they mean to see if they even know.Thomas aquinas was wrong. Labour is required to determine which borrowers are trustworthy to lend to so *on that basis alone* interest is justified.The inability of some people to manage money does not mean anything involving money is immoral. Some people can't drive for shit and some people can't be trusted with a gun, it doesn't justify banning cars and guns.I've covered investment lending before. It's morally indistinguishable from interest lending and has practical downsides for the business.
(DIR) Post #AKUWFO9tNlSs5jTGSm by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:07:27.160888Z
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@Eiregoat @D @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Jew lover spotted everyone point and laugh
(DIR) Post #AKUWGycJJgQVSFWLMe by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:07:45.022713Z
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@Eiregoat @D @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Youre a fucking stupid faggot and now everyone knows it. Banning guns takes power from the people, banning usury takes power from the elites who abuse it. Fuck off
(DIR) Post #AKUWNOtQXGbQgaadIe by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:08:55.404089Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @D @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >thomas aquinas was wrong >some literal who faggot on the fediverse Im starting too think a hebrew is in our midst
(DIR) Post #AKUWO17aP4VXFVVTe4 by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:09:01.582485Z
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@Eiregoat @D @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >I tore it apartNo you didn't. In fact, you stopped responding to me specifically after I reiterated that usury is interest, simple as, and after I pointed out that lending was commonplace when usury was a capital offence.
(DIR) Post #AKUWPv8NdPFxG8mmGW by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:09:22.622366Z
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@Eiregoat @D @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy but the question is do you realize that it doesn’t matter if you think you tore it apart, it matters if others thought you tore it apart?
(DIR) Post #AKUWZjKoMMSlYlHI3M by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:11:03.990349Z
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> Usury has historically had an extremely stable and consistent definition.No it hasn't, at all. It's so unstable and inconsistant I get different replies every time I ask and people get their panties in a twist becuase they realise they haven't a clue what they're arguing for.> This isn't a nebulous or difficult thing, please don't bury your head in the sandYes it is. I asked this particular group for a definition, and after a few minutes of flailing around and calling me names they eventually came up with:- Any interest, unless it's called investment- Only double digit interest- Only interest over 10%- Whatever a court feels like- Whatever anyone feels likeThat's pretty fucking nebulous if you ask me.> The difference between an investment and usury is that the investor invests based on what they believe will result in a return.Wrong. Same applies to an interest lender. If they pick the wrong business they get nothing.> Like you mentioned with small businesses, with an investment you own a portion of the business. If the business goes to zero your dividends go to zero. With loan repayments it's completely different.No it's not. If you lend to a business and it fails you lose your money. Lenders must still consider value when they lend.
(DIR) Post #AKUWcItN83aEPzfdUu by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:11:36.957596Z
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I hope you're not implying you're a gigachad...
(DIR) Post #AKUWd1vjg7DE6M7evg by SolCreed@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:11:44.874784Z
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@Eiregoat @D @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro
(DIR) Post #AKUWezPM1jngrFuWOW by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:12:05.494249Z
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The society we're living in is completely rotten and deserves to burn.
(DIR) Post #AKUWkJkhoYxZP2REUS by VidMasterEon@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:01:48.026989Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @sickburnbro Fair pointIts a faustian choiceIt is just the point where we disagreeI would personally have my country crumble than submit to eternal debt slavery to people who do nothing other than move money around I cannot in good faith make a deal with the devils children
(DIR) Post #AKUWkKKVfRbFC5BpIW by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:13:03.324148Z
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Eternal debt isn't necessary though. Back when we had small local banks this largely wasn't a problem.
(DIR) Post #AKUWlrwkAPd9kAoCa8 by D@wei.mentalswarf.com
2022-06-14T21:13:19.973130Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro I don’t see the downside of having someone else with a stake in the business.At the very least, they will challenge what you plan to do in the business before you go lighting the entire investment on fire.If someone thinks you have a good enough business idea to give you $300,000, but that your immediate plan within the business is too dumb to continue… maybe you should think a bit more about what you are doing and be grateful you have an experienced person who cares about the success of your business there to wrangle you onto the tard leash.
(DIR) Post #AKUWntBGY6WI9PZ44W by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:13:42.593245Z
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I accept your defeat.
(DIR) Post #AKUWouPzQwjOHJwDGi by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:13:53.664334Z
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@Eiregoat @Sunliver @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Fucking retard thinks because his par number is low that means he didnt get a high interest loan. Lmao bro you got fleeced you fucking tard you probably payed well in excess of 30% on the principle
(DIR) Post #AKUWpyWJfT0XI3PCIC by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:11:07.949307Z
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@Boomerman @Eiregoat @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro History is a long story about people getting ass-blasted and then killing a bunch of people.
(DIR) Post #AKUWpz2ZjWoOu6UxZg by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:14:04.927644Z
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Sure, but that's not the basis for a stable society.
(DIR) Post #AKUWrVPsqVJFbc7txI by collappsar@fediverse-lite.com
2022-06-14T21:14:18.672450Z
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@josh All of this is true and it's the shit I rant about to people constantly when they try to understand macroeconomics.
(DIR) Post #AKUWvzjg3sKEnVWdP6 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:15:10.373064Z
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If you made a well thought out comment and I didn't reply then I apologise. I had 140+ notifications earlier and I couldn't keep up with all of them.Anyhow that comment wasn't referring to you.
(DIR) Post #AKUX1bkQA3hC8aY8sS by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:14:41.678998Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro But the rich Bankers exploiting workers until they revolt is??
(DIR) Post #AKUX287DoowqWZSnrM by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:16:16.637706Z
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@Dadbolgainz @Eiregoat @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro The holocaust o gawd
(DIR) Post #AKUX2YlsiGv9CCgdqS by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:16:21.630383Z
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@Eiregoat @VidMasterEon @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast victorian-era.org/debt-prisons-of-victorian-era-england.html ?
(DIR) Post #AKUX4i74x1u2kScwqm by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:16:44.772010Z
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Nope. Truth is truth, consensus isn't reality. He commented, I pointed out the many many holes in his argument and he never replied.I'm judging you guys by the quality of your argument and so far you're coming up lacking.
(DIR) Post #AKUX75LhX1wbONbCYC by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:17:10.727432Z
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Didn't happen. Next.
(DIR) Post #AKUXA4ylMc7776IVcW by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:16:51.044992Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro BTW I've read the economics textbooks that teach Jewish capitalist values.Just because it's in a book doesn't mean it's right.Just because it makes money doesn't mean it's conducive to a productive, MORAL, society.
(DIR) Post #AKUXA5WnK5KsoeDgfI by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:17:42.593474Z
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Agreed.
(DIR) Post #AKUXCmNgy0HcImFHA8 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:18:12.508118Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @D Youve done nothing but endlessly ask for definitions while never making a point you fucking idiot. Are you ok with credit cards?
(DIR) Post #AKUXGy85EGHjtewTvk by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:18:57.991278Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro What makes you say that?
(DIR) Post #AKUXHbcaOmrENYVtOC by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:19:04.290910Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro > definitionsNow you're just being disingenuous. If you're unwilling to argue in good faith that's on you> JewsI'm happy to go further into this but you seem to have a fairly naive understanding of systems that aren't Christendom (e.g. pagans, atheist, and Muslim societies).Muslims invited Jews into their society when the west kicked them out. Muslims have protections enshrined for them. Find an example of Muslims kicking Jews out like Christians have. Pagans, including the Romans and the Greeks, did the same. It's only Christians who have taken offense the nature and behaviour of the Jews. Everyone else is happy to welcome them.(Arab antisemitism is barely 80 years old)> The problem is usuryIf you take a look at how the Jews managed to gain control of the centres of power it's has been firstly through the leveraging of capital which gave them political influence then legal protections then material rackets. The system that indebted the UK to the USA and funneled money into the hands of the Jews is a large part of the problem. The system that is vacuuming up all the land and assets while the poor have their wealth inflated away is a part of the problem. Loans to foreign nations as a form of coercion and control is a part of the problem. Engineered financial crisises that create real world crisises that flood the west with migrants are part of the problem.It was usury that allowed the Jews to become rich. Not investmentIt was that money that allowed them to bank roll the crown, making them richer and giving them political powerIt was that power that gave them legal privilegesAnd it was the power, privilege, and protections that allowed them to create all the horrific institutions like central banksAside from non Christian countries the only time merchants are invited in is precisely because they are offering lending to the crown.Usury isn't everything, but we can't begin to regain sovereignty until we free ourselves from our debtors and break their tools.
(DIR) Post #AKUXKkXLhvXAtmYxnc by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:17:53.350917Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro So you oppose Jewish power but are a proponent of Usury....
(DIR) Post #AKUXKkwADfNq8kAmTg by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:19:38.641647Z
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@Dadbolgainz @Eiregoat @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro
(DIR) Post #AKUXMDTbb1bswWVl68 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:19:54.919469Z
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What does usury mean to you again? Were you the any interest guy or the legally defined cap guy?Anyhow I oppose jews because they attack and destroy any society they latch onto, including mine. Basic math doesn't belong to them.
(DIR) Post #AKUXP16a36a1RV4pMm by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:19:54.986697Z
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@Christ_is_Lord @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro King
(DIR) Post #AKUXVhWnEdXUkgWbhY by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:13:26.600696Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Agreed. Usury played a large role in the decline of western society.
(DIR) Post #AKUXVvYN5Z7WFdN46a by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:21:40.149019Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Is acceptable too exploit someone with a loan if they consent too the loan?
(DIR) Post #AKUXWrQZuhLhkGAf0i by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:21:42.750805Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Holy shit.Let's call it unreasonably high interest rates and ditch Usury as a term because it's some sort of trigger for you.Unreasonably high interest rates are a pillar of Jewish control.See: the United StatesEurope
(DIR) Post #AKUXXoS2SuZensJ9yi by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:22:00.610977Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro *it
(DIR) Post #AKUXZpkoamrlQJ3Q6C by sapphire@shortstackran.ch
2022-06-14T21:22:22.537625Z
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@Boomerman @josh @Eiregoat @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro you dropped this king
(DIR) Post #AKUXbvi9PnykTgo7zk by lichelordgodfrey@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:22:45.202198Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro since you're still going, it was defined as *any* interest on any loans.
(DIR) Post #AKUXkKOfWAxpM8hQSe by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:24:12.733971Z
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@sapphire @josh @Eiregoat @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Thank you king
(DIR) Post #AKUXkfoFuEuPlZpel6 by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:24:17.058489Z
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@Christ_is_Lord @Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro Usury: helps Jews, harms everyone elseSimple as this. I don't know how he can be race/Jew woke and struggle with this premise.I don't care if some white chick took out $500k in loans to get a degree in feminist slam poetry, I'll forgive her debt to stick it to kikes
(DIR) Post #AKUXxzSWA4JcTM0xYO by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:26:43.923660Z
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> Now you're just being disingenuous. If you're unwilling to argue in good faith that's on youNo I'm not, that's all you guys have been doing.> Muslims invited Jews into their society when the west kicked them out. Muslims have protections enshrined for them. Find an example of Muslims kicking Jews out like Christians have. Pagans, including the Romans and the Greeks, did the same. It's only Christians who have taken offense the nature and behaviour of the Jews. Everyone else is happy to welcome them.Sorry, I'll be more precise "abrahamists." Fortunately whites have never been muslims in large numbers so that's not relevant. Unfortunately we did end up with a whole lot of christians who absolutely did invite jews in and give them special rights.Jews were not a problem for europeans prior to christianity. They were just another irrelevant tribe.> If you take a look at how the Jews managed to gain control of the centres of power it's has been firstly through the leveraging of capital which gave them political influence then legal protections then material rackets.Yes. The problem is their corruption of the political system (including the christian churches which are political in nature). They are the infection vector jews use to take over societies, therefore they need to go.> It was usury that allowed the Jews to become rich. Not investmentNo. They were only ever small scale moneylenders before they coopted religious and political power.> Aside from non Christian countries the only time merchants are invited in is precisely because they are offering lending to the crown.Nope, christians invited them in as conversion targets and the heroes of their holy book. Occasionally kicking them out again for a few years doesn't count as serious opposition.> Usury isn't everything, but we can't begin to regain sovereignty until we free ourselves from our debtors and break their tools.So long as centralised power remains jews will corrupt it and keep coming back. The existence of interest isn't relevant.
(DIR) Post #AKUY3DHOCjvemfIeBs by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:27:40.465948Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro Usury is derived from the Latin word usura, defined as “a sum paid for the use of money.” 29“The Fathers are unanimous in regarding all interest as usury, and, therefore, as a species of robbery.” 30“Whatever exceeds the amount owed is usury.” St. Ambrose, De Tobia (4th century).31“Usury occurs when more is demanded back than what is given.” Council of Nymwegen (9th century). “…the condemnation of interest taking was part of the unanimous consensus patrum…It was not until the sixteenth century that ‘usury’ was redefined as high interest rates.” 32“He then made a definition of usury, showing that it was the taking of any reward or sum above the due debt.”—Thomas Wilson, Member of the English Parliament, 1571.33Clement of Alexandria: “The issue of usury made its first appearance in Christian literature in Clement’s Paidagogos (circa A.D. 197), an instruction for new converts on Christian conduct in daily matters…Concerning the ‘just man,’ Clement quotes Ezekiel: ‘His money he will not give on usury, and he will not take interest…This subject is taken up again some years later in the second book of his major work Stromateis.” 34Tertullian considers the subject of interest in his treatise on the theology of the New Testament, Adversus Marcionem, where he teaches that the Gospel does not abolish the law of the Old Testament, it exceeds it. Tertullian writes of the just man, “He hath not…put out his money at interest, and will not accept any increase — meaning the excess amount due to interest, which is usury.”St. Cyprian of Carthage: Offers proofs in his Testimoniorum (Ad Quirinum) that interest taking is prohibited by the law of God.St. Jerome in his Commentaria in Ezechielem stated that the prohibition against usury among the Israelites had been made universal by the New Testament. He affirmed that all interest on money is forbidden. “One should never receive more than the amount loaned.”Hilary of Poitiers in his Tractatus in Psalm XIV: “If you are a Christian, why do you scheme to have your idle money (otiosam pecuniam) bear a return and make the need of your brother, for whom Christ died, the source of your enrichment?”St. Basil in his second Homily on Psalm 15 (Septuagint): “This sin is denounced in many places in Scripture. Ezekiel accounts the taking of interest and receiving back more than one gave as being among the greatest evils,35 and the Law specifically forbids this practice: ‘You shall not charge interest to your relative or your neighbor.’ 36 And again the Scripture says, ‘Guile upon guile, and interest upon interest.’ 37 A certain Psalm says, regarding a city that prospers amidst a multitude of evils, ‘Interest-taking and guile are never absent from its squares.’ 38 And now the prophet identifies this very thing as the characteristic of human perfection, saying, ‘They do not lend money at interest.’St. Gregory of Nyssa in Contra usurarios (circa 379 A.D.) calls down on him who lends money at interest the vengeance of the Almighty. He further states, “…lending at interest can be called ‘another kind of robbery or bloodshed…since there is no difference in getting someone’s else’s property by seizing it through covert housebreaking and acquiring what is not one’s own by exacting interest.” Gregory of Nyssa describes the lender at interest as a “poisonous serpent” and an evil, beast-like spirit. Referring to the words of the Pater Noster prayer of Jesus Christ — “Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors” — Gregory asks, “How can you pray like this, oh usurer? How can you make a request from God in good conscience since he has everything and you do not know how to give?”
(DIR) Post #AKUY3zLdUFqXrjeiTQ by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:27:49.515551Z
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Because it's false.Anyhow that's not how student loans work. When some commie refuses to pay them the jew doesn't end up poorer, he ends up being reinbursed from your taxes.
(DIR) Post #AKUYBVqF4hDYfbYjsO by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:29:11.142152Z
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@Godcast @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @sickburnbro Raking in money by doing no labor or contributing to society but instead preying on people in need is vile and deserving of death.Debt has turned entire generations of people into slave cattle for the Jews and we don't need to entertain any weasely, self motivated justification for it
(DIR) Post #AKUYHf3BkWxOy5XxS4 by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:30:17.755197Z
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@Eiregoat @sickburnbro @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast The reward is helping someone in need and increasing SOCIAL capital and having a higher trust societyIt's an investment in your PEOPLE
(DIR) Post #AKUYIknbrStr5SmTbs by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:30:28.944228Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro St. Ambrose in his aforementioned work De Tobia, written in 380 A.D., declared that the taking of interest on loans of money is equivalent to murder.For St. Gregory of Nazianzus the usurer is a sinful parasite, “gathering where he had not sowed and reaping where he has not strawed” (Oratio). Cataloguing a list of mortal sins, Gregory of Nazianzus states, “One of us has oppressed the poor, and wrested from him his portion of land, and wrongly encroached upon his landmark by fraud or violence, and joined house to house, and field to field, to rob his neighbor of something, and been eager to have no neighbor, so as to dwell alone on the earth. Another has defiled the land with usury and interest, gathering where he had not sowed…” (Oration 16)St. John Chrysostom taught that usury was shameless: “What can be more unreasonable than to sow without land, without rain, without plows? All those who give themselves up to this damnable culture shall reap only tares. Let us cut off these monstrous births of gold and silver; let us stop this execrable fecundity.”Pope St. Leo I: In his encyclical Ut nobis gratulationem, of 444 A.D: “Some people put out their money at usury in order to become wealthy. We have to complain of this, not only with regard to those in clerical office, but we likewise grieve to see that it holds true of lay people who wish to be called Christians. We decree that those who are found guilty of receiving this turpe lucrum (shameful gain) should be severely punished.”St. Augustine denounced the sin of interest on money in De consensu evangelistarum.In 789 A.D. Charlemagne in his Admonitio Generalis prohibited usury by all people, laymen as well as clerics, throughout the lands of the Holy Roman Empire, citing the following authorities: “(1) the Council of Nicea, (2) the above mentioned letter of Pope Leo, (3) the Canones Apostollorum, and (4) Scripture.” 43 The Catholic Council of Aix-la-Chapelle promulgated Charlemagne’s Admonitio Generalis as church doctrine.In Charlemagne’s Capitulary of Nijmegen of March, 806 he defines usury in clause 11 as “claiming back more than you give; for instance, if someone has given 10 solidi and asks for more than 10 in return, that is usury.” Clause 16: “Lending (foenus) consists in providing something; the loan is fair and just when one demands no more than what he provided.”King Alfred the Great (849-899) ordered that the charging of interest on loans of money was illegal throughout England. Those who received revenue from usurious loans were to forfeit their property. Christian burial was denied to them.
(DIR) Post #AKUYM2PCrEaoYqvrtY by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:31:04.682634Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Christ_is_Lord @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro Then nullify the debt and execute bankers who complain
(DIR) Post #AKUYNREE3IVFpzSpMG by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:31:20.278616Z
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> Usury is derived from the Latin word usura, defined as “a sum paid for the use of money.” 29Yes, I'm aware you're going with the "any interest" definition (and thank you for defining it without quibbling).The problem with the vagueness I mentioned earlier is because people don't agree on that definition, not even historical authorities. I won't list all the alternate definitions I've been given in this thread again but it's a bone of contention and it's not unreasonable for me to ask for clarification.I'm not christian so I'm afraid those doctrinal references aren't particularly relevant, I hope you didn't spend too much time looking them up.Btw, is that you PK?
(DIR) Post #AKUYXfIObaYCMWI6sa by D@wei.mentalswarf.com
2022-06-14T21:33:10.493787Z
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@Christ_is_Lord @josh @Eiregoat @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro Cicero’s record of a conversation between Cato and an unnamed interrogator:> ...of whom, when inquiry was made, what was the best policy in the management of one's property, he answered "Good grazing." "What was next?" "Tolerable grazing." "What third?" "Bad grazing." "What fourth?" "Tilling." And when he who had interrogated him inquired, "What do you think of lending at usury?" Then Cato answered, "What do you think of murder?"– De Officiis, 44 BC
(DIR) Post #AKUYYdN5FHx2gQwhW4 by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:33:21.212221Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Christ_is_Lord @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro Also forget your commie, what about the dude who gets an expensive degree in a good field but can't get a job because capitalist hobgoblins imported indians to do it for pennies?Is he irresponsible? Would you throw him under the bus
(DIR) Post #AKUYarUHjVi12jNOts by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:33:45.403586Z
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I'm actually not opposed to that for existing debts, or debts owed to jews. I'm in favour of dismantling the fiat system anyhow so those debts would be pretty irrelevant even if they had to be paid.The question is more: If we do win and we drive out the jews, how will things work after they're gone and how do we ensure they have as few avenues as possible to return.My answer to this is high competition. Small local banks run by guys everyone knows, local currencies and fraternal societies for social insurance.
(DIR) Post #AKUYawRdInYgPxAqxc by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:33:46.153138Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro The Canon law was shaped in accordance with these prohibitions, which were enforced by the the Council of Arles in 314 and the Council of Nicea in 325: “Because many of the Ecclesiastical Order, being led away by covetousness and desire of base gain, have forgotten the Holy Scripture which saith, ‘He gave not his money upon usury,’ do exercise usury, so as to demand every month a hundredth part of the principal, the holy synod thinks it just that if any take such use, by secret transaction, or by demanding the principal and one half of the principal for interest, or contrive any other fraud for filthy lucre’s sake, let him be deposed from the clergy and struck out of the list.” 44 (Council of Nicea, canon XVII).The 12th canon of the Council of Carthage (345) and the 36th canon of the Council of Aix (789) declared it to be sinful for anyone to charge any interest on money. Every great assembly of the Church, from the Council of Elvira in 306 to that of Vienne in 1311, condemned lending money at interest. The fount of Canon Law in the Middle Ages totally banned all interest on loans. 45The greatest rulers under the sway of the Church — Justinian, in the Empire of the East; Charlemagne, in the Empire of the West; Alfred in England; St. Louis in France — yielded fully to this dogma. In the ninth century Alfred went so far as to confiscate the estates of money-lenders, denying them burial in consecrated ground; and similar decrees were made in other parts of Europe.St. Anselm proved from the Scriptures that the taking of interest is a breach of the Ten Commandments. Peter Lombard, in his Sentences, made the taking of interest purely and simply theft.46St. Bernard, reviving religious earnestness in the Church, took the same view.Pope Urban III in his ruling on three cases of usury, reiterated the declarationPope Alexander III declared that the prohibition in this matter could never be suspended by dispensationPope Clement V declared that if any one ‘shall pertinaciously presume to affirm that the taking of interest for money is not a sin, we decree him to be a heretic, fit for punishment.’In the fifteenth century the Council of the Church at Salzburg excluded from communion and burial any who took interest for moneySt. Anselm (1033-1109), Archbishop of Canterbury, in his Homilia in Lucam forbad interest on loans of money, declaring them tantamount to robbery.St. Albert the Great (“Albert Magnus,” “Doctor Universalis”; 1193-1280): Albert was the teacher of St. Thomas Aquinas; he wrote, “Usury is and always has been, without any doubt a mortal sin, according to the natural law as well as the written law” (III Sent. dist. xxxvii, art. 13).
(DIR) Post #AKUYgZX1PCEr5jNaJU by Victor_Emmanuel@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:34:47.923796Z
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@Godcast @josh So I’ve been reading through this thread and I don’t understand how gaining capital for business ventures would work without the ability to charge interest. If we are talking about finance mechanisms to ban, I would sooner ban the stock market. As it is just a big casino that the rich can rig.
(DIR) Post #AKUYlgbEYQxoSamvOC by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:35:42.710522Z
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Sometimes accidents happen, that's life, I think he should be free to declare bankrupcy and move on. Lender gets something but not much, ultimately that kind of risk can be balanced out across multiple loans.Unfortunately the current system doesn't allow for bankrupcy when it comes to student loans.
(DIR) Post #AKUYnDGyYsCs5H2aVE by HitlerWas6_4@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:35:19.434550Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Its loaning money with the sole objective of enriching yourself and a disregard for the harm it causes those who you are loaning to. It can include intentionally targeting those who cannot pay you back or charging high interest rates with the intention of entrapping the borrower in a cycle or perpetual debt, but intentionality is really secondary to actual harm done. (though a failed attempt at usury is still considered usury)
(DIR) Post #AKUYsIeG0EzsChM81Y by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:36:55.011570Z
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Right, and that works on a small scale with family and friends, on a larger scale it doesn't work so well. There's also the question of calculating value, but I think I've covered that before.
(DIR) Post #AKUYxXerclakCh8hai by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:37:51.795452Z
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Lending to someone who can't repay should result in losing your money if that's what you're asking.
(DIR) Post #AKUZ3goGVmUmKBT5do by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:38:58.039298Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Christ_is_Lord @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro We should ban the concept of interest and gulag anyone with sympathy for it when we win
(DIR) Post #AKUZ4VfVQ6nA3mlJZI by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:39:07.333448Z
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@Victor_Emmanuel @josh It would work the same way it worked a thousand years ago. People would have to convince a lender or investors their idea was good and put up collateral
(DIR) Post #AKUZ4vw3lBTxWehtyq by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:39:12.042336Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro I didnt ask that. I asked a very simple question. Is it ok too exploit someone with a loan if they agree too it?
(DIR) Post #AKUZ8HVK1ZgVHxnUBM by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:39:48.334571Z
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It's not a trigger, it just means too many things.But thank you, if you're willing to be specific it's easier to keep track of who means what.Snaring people in debt is a jewish trick, but not what I'd call a pillar of their control. The twin pillars of their control are:- Control of government- Control of media/educationIf they lost either of those they would lose the other and be driven out. If they weren't able to play games with interest anymore then they would still be a huge problem.
(DIR) Post #AKUZDQkF5yADOcEPE8 by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:40:44.100459Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Christ_is_Lord @Godcast @sickburnbro so you're a pagan who defends Usury now?
(DIR) Post #AKUZFcqf486hVuHS76 by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:41:07.471872Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Christ_is_Lord @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro I don't speak for everyone else, but my issue discussing this with you is your focus is from the perspective of the person doing the lending whereas I think everyone else is empathizing with the borrower.That's why you're looking at risks and gains and I'm saying [redact] rich people and take their shit
(DIR) Post #AKUZGAAJC6QmqOj6oq by Victor_Emmanuel@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:41:13.874118Z
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@Godcast @josh I don’t think there were a lot of private enterprises in Medieval Europe. And what would the incentive be to lend instead of just keeping the money?
(DIR) Post #AKUZKQtov3hTu03BPU by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:41:58.973352Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro St. Bonaventure (1221-1274), Professor of Theology at the University of Paris. Superior General of the Franciscan Order; bishop and cardinal. He declared the breeding of sterile money through the taking of interest, mortal sin and unnatural gain: “Pecunia quantam est de se per seipsam non fructificat.”Henry Goethals of Ghent (“Henricus Gandavensis,” 1217-1293). Leading theologian and author of the treatises on economics and commerce Mercimoniis et Negotiattionbus, and Quaestiones Quodlibetales. In the latter he demonstrated from the Bible and the Fathers that the Church forbids interest on money because it is evil per se, and not due to any ecclesiastical declaration or canon law. The iniquity of usury is made so by divine law and is not subject to alteration.The dogmatic Third Lateran Counci(1179)Canon 25:“We therefore declare that notorious usurers should not be admitted to communion of the altar or receive Christian burial if they die in this sin.”The Constitution of the (Third) Lateran Council against usurers to be “inviolably observed”In 1274, the Second Council of Lyons, at which Pope Gregory X presided, reaffirmed the dogma of the Third Lateran Council against all interest on money and ordered that Council against usurers was to be "inviolably observed."----------“The original manifest usurers of Europe were the Jews, who were not subject to the jurisdiction of the Church. They were also not subject to qualms of conscience…”53Judaic lenders, because they were unbaptized and therefore outside ecclesiastical jurisdiction, were permitted to charge interest to gentiles--------Fifteenth General Council: Vienne(1311-1312)Decree 29“…if anyone falls into the error of believing and affirming that it is not a sin to practice usury, we decree that he be punished as a heretic…”The Council of York in 1311 excommunicates all those who promote any statute in favor of usury.Council of Vienna 1312Also stand condemned statutes which forbid demanding usury beyond a certain rate because they seem to implicitly approve the taking of usury provided it is not in excess of that rate.Archbishop of Canterbury Stephen Langton (ca. 1155-1228), the architect of one of the West’s founding documents of freedom, England’s Magna Carta. Langton was a former master of theology at the University of Paris with Robert Courson (and schoolmate of the future Pope Innocent III).The historian Matthew Paris wrote: “Archbishop Stephen rid Italy and France in great part of usurers…He preached in northern Italy, in France — especially in Arras and St. Omer — and in parts of Flanders. Aiding him in his attacks and persecutions of usury and usurers was Robert de Courcon, a most learned man and cardinal of the Roman church. Together they rooted out the practice of usury and miraculously cleansed the French kingdom of evil.” 61the unanimous doctrine imparted to all confessors in the dozens of manuals compiled for their guidance and instruction by the Church up until the early modern age. We can cite example after example: the Summa casuum of Burchard of Strasbourg; the Summa confessorum of John of Freiburg; the Summa de casibus conscientiae of Bartolomeo of San Corcordio, the Summa Confessorum of John of Saxony, the Formula confessionis of John Rigaud (confessor to Pope Clement V); the Summa Astasana of Astesanus.In Canto 11 of The Inferno, Dante puts the usurer together with the sodomite in the lowest reaches of hell, where they dwell ‘venimmo sopra piu l’orribile stipa’ (in ‘the horrible excess of stench’). In Canto 17 Dante again identifies usurers with miasma: Geryon (the personification of fraud and usury) is “colei che tutto ‘l mondo appuzza” (“the one who makes the whole world stink”). The sodomite reverses creation and places his genital organ not in the procreative vagina of the woman but in the anal sewer of the male body, the repository of filth and stench. The sodomite takes the gift of the abundance of God’s creation and perverts it into sterility. The usurer takes what is sterile (money, a mere symbol of transaction), and transforms it into the thing signified, making something out of nothing.We may recoil in prudish dismay at the raw metaphors of the medieval poet, but Dante knew what we do not: that because the taking of interest on loans of money almost always evades being named and always calls itself by some other name, it must not be allowed to escape the complete articulation of the contours of its corruption.Last quoteEdward VI“…For as much as usury is by the word of God utterly prohibited as a vice most odious and detestable as in divers places in Holy Scriptures it is evident to be seen which thing is by no godly teaching, and persuasions can sink into the hearts of divers greedy, uncharitable and covetous persons of this realm, nor yet by any terrible threatenings of God’s wrath and vengeance that justly hang over this realm for the great and open usury therein daily used and practice
(DIR) Post #AKUZPeXhcaWVfEC5uy by Godcast@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:42:53.609003Z
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@Victor_Emmanuel @josh Engagement with your community, possible ownership and influence with businesses, and potential late fees, mostly. Point is, lending without usury was a thing that happened
(DIR) Post #AKUZQvBREiedZ3NvgO by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:43:09.987508Z
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I'm a pagan who defends useful commercial practices which help those with the ability to produce useful things gain access to the resources needed to produce them, while still respecting the people who worked to produce the resources.Is that usury? Who knows, depends on the person.
(DIR) Post #AKUZTy2R4wknHrcuOG by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:43:43.396566Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Christ_is_Lord @Godcast @sickburnbro whew
(DIR) Post #AKUZXphU1Mb6aNfZ3I by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:44:25.335495Z
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There has to be something in it for both parties.I have no problem with rich people provided they earned it honestly (ie. without violence).
(DIR) Post #AKUZZFXxPVGX2JtCQC by Victor_Emmanuel@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:44:40.848415Z
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@Godcast @josh Late fees? Like if they missed a payment on the loan?
(DIR) Post #AKUZfWWfCAMrQxH9ua by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:45:48.724431Z
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Grown adults should be free to make their own decisions even if you personally think they're bad ones, yes.
(DIR) Post #AKUZhGKgN8xJn4V7EO by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:46:07.123009Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro People in this chat don't speak for me or speak for history. The definition of usury is consistent and was legally for more that a thousand years under Christendom.> Get nothingObviously if the indebted is unable to pay, has insufficient assets to cease, and can't be enslaved the bank will take a loss. But the direction of capital is based on the ability to service the loan, not the success of the venture. This is my point: under usury capital isn't efficiently allocated towards the best investments. Under usury what matters is that you pay the loan.The bank will lend to businesses destined to fail because his house is collateral. An investor who is only entirely to the results of the venture will not do this.
(DIR) Post #AKUZl4twobOLUmobxo by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:46:48.736210Z
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You asked a vague question, I had to give a lengthy answer to cover all the bases. Hope it wasn't too hard of a read.
(DIR) Post #AKUZmJzyAaxcblE0XY by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:47:01.964345Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Christ_is_Lord @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro Getting rich without employing violence does not mean it was done honestlyI respect a mugger more than a usurer
(DIR) Post #AKUZsrFDTWnhSKTP28 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:48:13.426336Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro So if someone agrees too a loan you think its ok too exploit them with it
(DIR) Post #AKUa2vE3WmdshQjHrE by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:50:01.393378Z
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Holy shit, I actually haven't heard that one before. New definition woop!Those problems are easily solved by bankruptcy. If someone can say "I have no more money left and I need a clean slate," then intentionally lending to someone who can't repay is a losing prospect.
(DIR) Post #AKUa7FOySIcIQttn5E by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:50:49.393624Z
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@Eiregoat @HitlerWas6_4 @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Then why do they keep doing it?
(DIR) Post #AKUaJ2zmPLPBQjk0RM by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:52:57.408908Z
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@Boomerman @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Big kike energy
(DIR) Post #AKUaSHW9mfAz4nHwJs by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:54:36.886907Z
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@Eiregoat @JSDorn @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Pagan romans had prohibitions on usuryNumerous prominent pagan philosophers write against it.You're not just taking a stand against Christians, the defence of usury is anti pagan, anti European, and pro hebrewYou've been lied to about your own history and have accept the capitalist Jew lie about the nature of finance
(DIR) Post #AKUaVNlN1JQdJZsngm by HitlerWas6_4@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:54:52.609658Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Yes just lose everything you own because you couldn't payback a payday loan. Easily solved.
(DIR) Post #AKUaXjBcL7a2KyHJEO by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:55:35.973402Z
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But even during that period it was redefined several times to allow for low interest rates.Also, if you are the person I think you are then in the past you agreed that lending involved labour and risk which should be compensated. Have you changed your mind on that?This is broccoli btw. I figure that should be obvious enough without giving my actual username.> Obviously if the indebted is unable to pay, has insufficient assets to cease, and can't be enslaved the bank will take a loss. But the direction of capital is based on the ability to service the loan, not the success of the venture.I don't see a moral problem with the business only having to repay the loan/interest, not having to fork over half of anything they make during that period.Anyhow the result will be the same: The percentage of profits demanded by lenders will fluctuate until it's equivalent to paying back the loan plus interest.> The bank will lend to businesses destined to fail because his house is collateral. An investor who is only entirely to the results of the venture will not do this.Ok... if someone believes in their business enough to risk losing their house then I guess that's their call.An investor might agree to something like that but they'd require an absolutely huge percentage to cover the risk. In that model the percentage the bank gets is essentially interest.
(DIR) Post #AKUaXuapvhHziNA6ZE by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:55:38.594326Z
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@HitlerWas6_4 @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro But its ok because you agreed to the loan you were just a consenting adult
(DIR) Post #AKUaddjzV0XxBZAvce by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:56:40.022532Z
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Is there any conditions under which it should be possible for people to make bad decisions and lose? Or do we somehow have to make life zero risk for everyone?
(DIR) Post #AKUaq1pBmX2LM5VvLk by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T21:58:54.974356Z
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Pagan europeans had many laws I disagree with, that's not the issue. The reason I have a problem with christianity specifically is because placing a jewish book at the center of european culture has been a huge achilles heel.I have come to the views of finance I currently hold by listening to many different arguments from many different sides and picking the ones that can be rigorously defended.
(DIR) Post #AKUaq8pRjyOz4ugjDs by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:58:56.149171Z
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@Eiregoat @HitlerWas6_4 @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Why should banks and lenders win?
(DIR) Post #AKUawkh7rxMSFpwsAy by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:00:07.745422Z
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Why should granny's pension be wiped out because someone couldn't control his spending?Do you think that's their personal piggy bank they lend out?
(DIR) Post #AKUb27HnInxdlheqQK by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:01:00.798103Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro How the fuck do you think they control governments and media? Thanks to centuries of compound interest and other money lending tricks.You are a retard conservative that knows nothing about the Jews
(DIR) Post #AKUb2gm9Lw2Tpz8568 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:01:12.236126Z
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Because they control the government and they can always rig things so they never make a loss. If the borrower can't repay they can just squeeze the taxpayer.
(DIR) Post #AKUbFFL8fYIiVnU0eG by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:03:28.503028Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro They shouldnt be lending grannys money you fuck thats the problem and doing it for a profit that granny sees none of while granny get fleeced if they fuck up.
(DIR) Post #AKUbFOTGih9SpcM84O by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:03:30.002310Z
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No. They control the media because they have a laserlike focus on controlling other people's opinions and they have enough power to crush any opposition, or just divert public money into anything they like.They control government because they bought the politicians.It doesn't require much wealth to buy politicians, the reason they do it more than whites is because on average whites are too moral.
(DIR) Post #AKUbHX9LQLEyKL3aym by FederalAgent69@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:59:29.350657Z
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@Eiregoat @JSDorn @josh @Christ_is_Lord @Godcast @sickburnbro You'd make a great Republican intern.
(DIR) Post #AKUbHXgfQRtZzgeCv2 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:03:52.618751Z
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I would get kicked out in seconds for naming the jew and denying the holohoax.
(DIR) Post #AKUbL9BCUBp18xeEyG by JSDorn@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:04:32.054641Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Christ_is_Lord @Godcast @sickburnbro okay
(DIR) Post #AKUbLYkrOkCWSnWZWa by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:04:36.748154Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro You're 100% wrong LMAO
(DIR) Post #AKUbLpmY5ieXGxRf16 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:04:39.876423Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro I thought usury wasnt a pillar of jewish power now youre saying the most powerful government on earth bends too its will? What the fuck.
(DIR) Post #AKUbMxqBcB9gYVgYPA by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:04:52.068662Z
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Yes they should, she contracted them to. That's what pensions are: You give a fund manager a portion of your savings, they invest them then give you a regular income when you retire.
(DIR) Post #AKUbO2B2yf3eIJx95E by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:05:03.353073Z
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Nope
(DIR) Post #AKUbPuoPKdT41zGDXU by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:05:24.167742Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro No bro, you need to answer why the fuck bankers should win, not just deflectTaking the side of the banks, something you've been very consistent on, is an extremely hot take in these parts
(DIR) Post #AKUbU5fUuVEYrM5G6q by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:06:09.458476Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >they have all this money they can throw around >finance has nothing too do with it Lmao this nigga is straight up retarded im starting too feel bad now
(DIR) Post #AKUbWNbrAyhB5BTM9I by HitlerWas6_4@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:04:13.410626Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Yes, we eliminate all last risk that artificially exists due to the anti-social and predatory practices of ill-meaning members of our society.There is no reason to tolerate the existence of people who make life harder or more dangerous.
(DIR) Post #AKUbYo6tcOeRqt9GM4 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:07:00.094393Z
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Lending is not a pillar of jewish power, correct.And no, governments don't bow to lenders. They bow to whoever pays the politicians and regulators the most money.
(DIR) Post #AKUbdduWy10zfPfcjQ by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:07:53.006727Z
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@Eiregoat @MechaSilvio @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro "the Jews succeed because they're focused and play to win"I'm curious, do you tend to post on Saturdays or do you avoid the internet and electronic devices on that day
(DIR) Post #AKUbgDj2mOtbK7Wi2a by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:08:19.807880Z
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Finance isn't their only game. Anyhow, yes, they did make money in banking, but their status as a threat didn't occur until they started buying governments. Governments are one of the core weaknesses they exploit to gain/maintain power. They have to go.
(DIR) Post #AKUbkdKNX7yJsy5sdU by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:09:08.732302Z
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What do you mean by "win"? Why should banks ever make any money?
(DIR) Post #AKUbozkc6fO2aWRe0u by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:09:56.119637Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Again so its acceptable too exploit her because she agreed to it. How about the banks get fucked for gambling grannies money so they can make insane profits
(DIR) Post #AKUbqwnI4SQLzrczU8 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:10:16.714628Z
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I'm curious, do you ever *not* strawman someone you're talking to?The jews succeed because they corrupt governments and brainwash people. Therefore we need to get rid of governments. It really is that simple.
(DIR) Post #AKUbrHEc4aABOOZ5qi by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:10:20.853001Z
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@Eiregoat @Frosche @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Stop playing dumb faggot
(DIR) Post #AKUbszaEfeRVE9UrGi by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:10:38.753422Z
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@Boomerman @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro We know where the money came from
(DIR) Post #AKUbx39hKewtSp1DtI by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:11:22.787139Z
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Oh wow... so how has she been exploited exactly? She paid for a service and it was provided to her.If that's exploitation then you get exploited every time you buy a liter of soymilk.
(DIR) Post #AKUbybhiMnCUu7fkEy by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:11:39.975118Z
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And?
(DIR) Post #AKUc06vPm0Q01XnV0S by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:11:56.660639Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro "don't focus on Jews, be a libertarian"Oh my God, just stop dude
(DIR) Post #AKUc0icbcNx4wDI0xs by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:12:03.144124Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro How did they buy the governments you retarded fuck
(DIR) Post #AKUc12EAiwI5kE0mem by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:12:06.108323Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro I bring up Muslims and pagans because they are the only other groups that have had long interaction with the Jews. (They briefly interacted with the Chinese and the were very welcoming). Christians are the exception Under Christian Rome the only time the Jews were allowed back in Jerusalem was under a pagan emperor Find me examples of where Christian populations wanted and welcomed Jews. I can point to the peoples crusade and many many pogroms where the will of the people was never to invite them. It's always been the rich because they want the moneyJews were already given privileged and Exemptions in Rome prior to Christianity. They were exempt from having to participate in the army.> Occasionally kicking them out again for a few years doesn't count as serious opposition.Can you think of any examples of people expelling Jews that weren't Christian countries? Also muh 109By you standards has there ever been serious opposition?
(DIR) Post #AKUc3zvPk0cFTKeOxs by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:12:38.815824Z
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Ok, from now on I'm just ignoring any comment from you which contains an insult. You will learn to be civil or you'll sit in the corner like a child.
(DIR) Post #AKUc52bpFOZK5OzAxM by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:12:50.148128Z
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@Boomerman @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro He's a Jew blind libertarian, there's no point
(DIR) Post #AKUc7OcwM8D8x8d7xo by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:13:14.732383Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Being a libertarian is wrong
(DIR) Post #AKUc8CEBwQ7imrR4KW by Hedgehog@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:13:24.373392Z
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@MechaSilvio @Boomerman @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro First time I saw this meme was not long after I read about The Longshanks kicking them out of England for coin clipping.
(DIR) Post #AKUc9Hj0zLac7rN8Ay by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:13:35.849327Z
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@Eiregoat @Frosche @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro How the fuck do they "corrupt governments"? With magic? It's well documented they acted as tax collectors AND they loaned to the crow when Christians had usury laws. Financial exploitation has always been their wedge
(DIR) Post #AKUc9z5Vla8Oc5ECi8 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:13:43.623020Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Because she didnt agree too a banking cabal of wall street jews fleecing her after they make fundamentally unsound decisions and they dont deserve to make profit off her money that she herself doesnt get
(DIR) Post #AKUcG8OU50h7DG2EgC by HitlerWas6_4@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:14:31.897451Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Actually he will do whatever he wants and there's nothing you could even theoretically do to stop him that wouldn't violate your own principles.
(DIR) Post #AKUcIB4L6Z2e5YaRPc by sapphire@shortstackran.ch
2022-06-14T22:15:12.395019Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro plot twist: peasants were just poor because they hated money and forced kikes to take it all
(DIR) Post #AKUcNVWmT1s8zKQoYi by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:16:10.326539Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Blow me you pussy fucking faggot. Youre getting fucking mocked because you have no argument and youre a fucking retard. This is the internet equivalent of leaving your corpse on a lampost so other faggots know not too push your lame ass world view
(DIR) Post #AKUcQk3IvCiyu7Bc1I by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:16:45.341616Z
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@HitlerWas6_4 @Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro "Oh you're a libertarian? That's cool, that's cool...Hey, me and my warband of collectivists are going to come take all your belongings and wear your skin as a hat, hope you don't mind"
(DIR) Post #AKUcQo5Dw0dXPE7CZE by Darhk@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:13:06.651908Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro How do you think they gained the money to buy said gov. in the first place? The Jews have always practiced usury to gain over the population, and then they work their way up to the government. When you increase the demand of payment on people who can't meet said demand, then you own the people.
(DIR) Post #AKUcSZgYR8GPKZQ3O4 by Hedgehog@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:17:05.381652Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Frosche @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro In 1290 King Edward I of England (Longshanks)Offsite Link issued an edict expelling all Jews from England."Lasting for the rest of the Middle Ages, it would be over 350 years until it was formally overturned in 1656. The edict was not an isolated incident but the culmination of over 200 years of conflict on the matters of usury."historyofinformation.com/detail.php?entryid=2258Well, would you look at that.
(DIR) Post #AKUcWDVip7sriQ5asa by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:17:43.268316Z
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The roman empire was corrupt for the brief few years it existed before christianity, I will agree to that. However the fact that a few jews were permitted in the empire and did not have to join the army does not compare to the massive influx afterwards and the long list of rights they were given that native europeans were not.I attached it before but I'll add it again in case you missed it. See below.> Can you think of any examples of people expelling Jews that weren't Christian countries? Also muh 109In europe? No, because it wasn't a problem. Jews were around for at least a thousand years before christianity but they only suddenly became a problem when europeans are forced to adopt their book? That's a bit too big of a coinicidence for me to swallow.
(DIR) Post #AKUcX6Zs5OsoVDSBU0 by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:17:54.217162Z
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@Hedgehog @Eiregoat @Frosche @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Sounds like a judicial definition of usury
(DIR) Post #AKUcaPKMpZHxWUmCHI by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:18:28.937147Z
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@Boomerman @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Stop stop, I can only repost so hard
(DIR) Post #AKUcgOBK0JUjhsOiBc by Hedgehog@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:19:35.112503Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Frosche @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro You'll never guess who let them back in and began the destruction of my country?
(DIR) Post #AKUcp16BCAGkir6ewq by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:21:08.348889Z
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@Hedgehog @Eiregoat @Frosche @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Cromwell
(DIR) Post #AKUcr82UMU9epLO3sm by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:21:31.195811Z
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Let's imagine they gained it some other way, would it be less of a problem?Coversely if there wasn't a centralised power to corrupt how would they be a problem?
(DIR) Post #AKUctufQXDV8DuvaSG by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:22:01.717058Z
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@Eiregoat @Darhk @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Through finance you fucking idiot
(DIR) Post #AKUcuqeMxJ7M3QsYrI by Dwight88@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:22:11.890101Z
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@Frosche @HitlerWas6_4 @Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro the future is White! i mean Bright! Bright White!
(DIR) Post #AKUcvmNiJOG16ZX4wy by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:22:20.781496Z
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Taxes you say? And is that not a government problem?
(DIR) Post #AKUczy4YmpQKWSZSC0 by Hedgehog@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:23:07.440121Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Frosche @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro This guy's gunna tell you it's all one big coincidence. Cromwell was a hero you know... To the magical usurious Jews
(DIR) Post #AKUd1I5nq18mu3mbVw by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:23:21.703433Z
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@Eiregoat @MechaSilvio @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >muh government
(DIR) Post #AKUd5ha316Xt6v273g by CosmaruCiorilor@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:24:08.902931Z
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@Eiregoat @Christ_is_Lord @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro >placing a jewish book at the center of european cultureread it first before casting judgements
(DIR) Post #AKUd7tV7fRPmf1m6GO by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:24:33.135653Z
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I discussed a situation where she asked them to manage her finances in return for a steady income when she retires and they did just that. How was she fleeced?Pension funds aren't even specifically a centralised jew-finance structure. Plenty of communities have run them as coops. It's a pretty good system.
(DIR) Post #AKUd8Rz5SXaNbo3Vgm by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:24:39.344858Z
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@Hedgehog @MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Look bro, Jews are just an organism that adapted to their environment. We should abolish the government and then Jews won't be demonic, rat-faced child-fuckers anymore
(DIR) Post #AKUd9yngw1uxfySFcG by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:24:55.926769Z
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@Eiregoat @MechaSilvio @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Hmmmm how did a people known for being corrupt financiers become tax collectors? The first ever "money changers"Hmmmmmmm
(DIR) Post #AKUdGL3F7USuQIlEYa by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:26:04.905712Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >doing context denial and subject changing Define pension fund faggot
(DIR) Post #AKUdGefWBPN5GVoZM0 by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:26:08.117228Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro How can you be in these circles and be so ignorant of history and how power works? Amazing
(DIR) Post #AKUdJ4rPm00z4qXBiq by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:26:34.485893Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Hes not in these circles
(DIR) Post #AKUdJWPNLqDuVzdBuC by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:26:37.002796Z
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Ok, so christians occasionally and temporarily solved some of the problems they caused. Colour me impressed.You know what's even better than expelling jews? Not letting them in in the first place.
(DIR) Post #AKUdLlhxREg8XsOUfQ by D-Droid@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:27:03.775022Z
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@Godcast @josh There’s a reason we should make it a thousand more years.
(DIR) Post #AKUdNUVENV4llOGLBY by elftummy@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:27:22.384458Z
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@Frosche @Hedgehog @MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro abolish world jewry
(DIR) Post #AKUdO0DGTpic6w6Rcm by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:27:27.478543Z
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No idea, but I'm guessing he went to church on sunday and listened attentively to an ancient jewish book.
(DIR) Post #AKUdO3FVByI5WkAm1o by Hedgehog@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:27:28.597824Z
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@Boomerman @Eiregoat @MechaSilvio @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Just read The History of Central Banking, absorb the information in there and stop being a fag. It's easy.
(DIR) Post #AKUdPK8TtQcCBqUmYK by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:27:42.349471Z
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@Eiregoat @Hedgehog @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >atheistGo back too shilling on gab retard much more fertile soil
(DIR) Post #AKUdSuxBSh55FNvPP6 by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:28:19.703566Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro It wasn't continually revised. I specifically only included quotes from the thousands years where the position was unanimous.Ok, so it seems the conversation has shifted from usury/investment distinction to whether or not usury is bad per se. I'm happy to have this conversation, you seem like a nice enough guy, but I have to go away for a couple of hours. When I come back I'll try to make a case for why usury is bad not only in practice but also in theory.Before we proceed could I get you to acknowledge that a economy which permits usury is going to look different from one that doesn't? That the incentives for an investor are not the same as a usurer? And that finance was possible for a long time without usury?
(DIR) Post #AKUdVlj8Ds0jV3iBZg by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:28:51.738318Z
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I did, it's poison.
(DIR) Post #AKUdWB288N3vzDnD9s by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:28:56.646409Z
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@Eiregoat @Hedgehog @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Seems weve got your goat moshe usual tactics not working? You gotta be payed by the poast right?
(DIR) Post #AKUdZlmDylqGoT49pI by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:29:35.523129Z
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They will be exactly the same as they were before, they'll just be lacking their primary weapon. They still need to be removed.
(DIR) Post #AKUdZsMFVkDvDvy0oK by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:29:36.756479Z
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@Eiregoat @Hedgehog @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Just when I thought you couldn't be less of a homoGo be Jewish someplace else. Like hell
(DIR) Post #AKUdbqtnuDYRHKbX3A by Hedgehog@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:29:58.267641Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Barking up the wrong tree with that shit pal
(DIR) Post #AKUddHMuyh8Bf6u1eC by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:30:13.335841Z
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Because a nice christian government appointed them as tax collectors.
(DIR) Post #AKUdevXP7E7qXAaq9Y by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:30:31.538248Z
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The feeling is mutual.
(DIR) Post #AKUdg2bML1HujPyTOi by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:30:42.381562Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >soft on Jews>pro usury>attacks Christians out of nowhereYou're a Jew
(DIR) Post #AKUdhV4BzVpPIu9lpo by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:30:59.445740Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Why though dumb faggot why did they think a people known for money changing scams get selected? A people with no nation?
(DIR) Post #AKUdkmKWGMVViKMAy0 by HitlerWas6_4@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:31:20.977065Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro No one is complaining about some community run pension fund that buys stock from local small businesses.We are talking about usury and you want to change the subject to something that isn't exploitative because you can't defend your principles of allowing others to be harmed and you know it.
(DIR) Post #AKUdnzOI9wld5eeUyW by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:32:09.746308Z
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No, this is about what I'm used to when I talk to natsocs. Most of you are only capable of an emotional response and emotional thinking. It's a massive weakness and leaves you easily lead.
(DIR) Post #AKUdvlbPJBecduUmKu by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:33:34.162941Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @Hedgehog @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro "No, this is about what I'm used to when I talk to natsocs. Most of you are only capable of an emotional response and emotional thinking. It's a massive weakness and leaves you easily lead."
(DIR) Post #AKUdwyNVII62YVZEZs by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:33:47.181233Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @Hedgehog @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Lmao you argued your case for usury very well bro hahahaha youre a dumb fag no one cares what you have too say. lucky im bored and off work
(DIR) Post #AKUdzPrW50pENJlpp2 by Darhk@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:32:16.513046Z
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@Frosche @Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro I was kinda thinking the same thing....
(DIR) Post #AKUe0e1ktqAob595Ki by FederalAgent69@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:34:13.668731Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @josh @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >sit in the corner like a childLmao you're not gonna do shit, little bitch.
(DIR) Post #AKUe1OV674ycjPEASG by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:34:34.817700Z
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@Boomerman @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Many times because they would lend the crown tons of money upfront in exchange to collect the taxes in the future. Another form of usury by proxy.
(DIR) Post #AKUe90SxMBiaVRr7eC by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:35:57.723896Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Wow lending too the government they must have had tons of money too do that i wonder how that could be seeing as theyre nomadic and without a nation how did they pull this off?
(DIR) Post #AKUeESP4uhRwbIdnWq by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:36:55.609829Z
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> It wasn't continually revised. I specifically only included quotes from the thousands years where the position was unanimous.Hmmm, ok, that's fair enough. The redefinitions do fall outside that.> Ok, so it seems the conversation has shifted from usury/investment distinction to whether or not usury is bad per se. I'm happy to have this conversation, you seem like a nice enough guy, but I have to go away for a couple of hours. When I come back I'll try to make a case for why usury is bad not only in practice but also in theory.Like I said, I'm pretty sure we've had it before on a couple of other sites. Did you see my other comments?If you can present a good argument that interest is inherently harmful and not useful then I'll concede.I may not be up in a few hours, I'd suggest DMing me with a link to the comment, or we can take it to somewhere like element where it's easier to have a serious conversation.> Before we proceed could I get you to acknowledge that a economy which permits usury is going to look different from one that doesn't?Yes, otherwise there wouldn't be any point. My argument is that the one which allows it will be more efficient.> That the incentives for an investor are not the same as a usurer?Maybe, I'm not convinced they're hugely different, just that investment has some downsides for the borrower.> And that finance was possible for a long time without usury?Finance is possible without usury just like carpentry is possible without planes. But it's still a useful tool and I haven't seen a good argument for ditching it.
(DIR) Post #AKUeFK1BZkQKspsTmi by FederalAgent69@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:36:21.480887Z
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@MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >nice crew
(DIR) Post #AKUeIDVWEs2vYkRjPs by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:37:37.659263Z
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@FederalAgent69 @MechaSilvio @Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Kike crew
(DIR) Post #AKUeIgWENIqZXM0D3I by D@wei.mentalswarf.com
2022-06-14T22:37:42.197001Z
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@Christ_is_Lord @josh @Eiregoat @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro This has become the “What about financing?” defense of usury like what “What about the roads?” defense of government.
(DIR) Post #AKUeN64jIZedxPF7E8 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:38:29.370045Z
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Ok, so if their core strength is slowly gaining control of finance over centuries, how did they deal with being regularly kicked out?My argument is they're really good at duplicitous networking, so it doesn't matter how rich or poor they are, they'll end up running things pretty quickly.
(DIR) Post #AKUeRGQckQT1E1TFAm by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:39:15.673732Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Youre a fucking retard and no one cares what you think
(DIR) Post #AKUeUMLdCCYYS8by2y by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:39:48.206139Z
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Yes he did. He argued pensions were inherently exploitative and bad.The reason we ended up talking about pensions is because I pointed out that when debts aren't repaid it's not the bankers that get stiffed.
(DIR) Post #AKUeX4GoreWvFreUs4 by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:40:17.973653Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro "wow these Jews sure are amazing. Money or no, they'll wind up ruling you---us goyim slime"
(DIR) Post #AKUeboofkWIalzkgSG by Hedgehog@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:41:10.171221Z
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@Boomerman @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Isnt this what they call "taking a scalp"?
(DIR) Post #AKUeerEjCuqb9FO9AW by Hedgehog@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:41:42.942611Z
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@Boomerman @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Live by the sword, die by the sword.
(DIR) Post #AKUegG5sH4SWWyunwm by Dadbolgainz@poa.st
2022-06-14T21:17:25.515489Z
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@Boomerman @Eiregoat @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Never been tried.Should.
(DIR) Post #AKUeihxddUBdXSENDE by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:42:24.719693Z
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@Eiregoat @HitlerWas6_4 @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro THATS THE ENTIRE ISSUE YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARD AND YET THEY PROFIT WHEN MONEY IS MADE WHILE THE GRANNY ONLY GETS A PERCENTAGE. FUCK OFF
(DIR) Post #AKUelNIEvzhqJ88ejQ by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:42:53.558797Z
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Interesting parallel. The anarchist response to "what about the roads" is that we don't need governments to have roads or other infrastructure. It's a strong argument, there's many examples (historical and modern) of pretty much any kind of government service being provided without government.My argument is the same when it comes to financing. Finance is important, just like roads, but we don't need jews or governments to do it. It can be done with local level institutions in ethno-exclusive communities.I really don't see how that would cause problems. Small communities are usually pretty good at dealing with bad actors.
(DIR) Post #AKUeqP37pf07CbSzUO by HitlerWas6_4@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:43:28.281795Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro He argues that lending was bad and you tried to act like all lending was pensions to justify ruining the lives of people who take bad loans because otherwise grandma doesn't get her money.He said that that system (which you claimed existed) where grandma is liable for jewish fraud is exploitative. It is.You can't change the topic from "high finance jews making exploitative loans with grandma's pension" to "small local community run pensions" and then act like we were always criticizing the latter.
(DIR) Post #AKUf1pT9waVUKN5mMa by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:45:51.990576Z
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@HitlerWas6_4 @Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro First they treat you like you're stupid then they themselves pretend to be stupid? Reminds me about....someone....🤔
(DIR) Post #AKUf3g7reantvd0tdY by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:46:11.657237Z
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No. He argued that stiffing the bank is morally justifiable. I pointed out that the ones who usually get stiffed in practice is pension funds since bankers don't lend their own money out. They're middle men.If you can come up with some kind of system where pensioners get paid even if the fund is mismanaged then great, go for it, personally I'm not that smart.I didn't change the topic at all, I pointed out a flaw in his argument and he started deflecting to talking about pensions instead. You too apparently.
(DIR) Post #AKUf6rXBh578BDNOxU by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:46:46.546593Z
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@HitlerWas6_4 @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Itd be like walking into someones house and asking for money for a product then turning around spending it on lotto tickets hoping you can win to both make a huge profit and also pay for the promised product. Its an old old fucking scam and this guy pretending too not know it shows the ridiculous bad faith
(DIR) Post #AKUfFjQpBkpBekd5Oq by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:48:22.938143Z
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@Eiregoat @HitlerWas6_4 @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro You brought up pensions you lying faggot and i dont think banks should exist i never said "its ok too stiff them"
(DIR) Post #AKUfGJTDCM7nQa1V7Q by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:48:29.190830Z
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No. Pension funds do not sell a product, they sell investment services. If they take your money and invest it like you asked them to then that is not fraud.If they gambled it on lotto tickets then that absolutely would be fraud but that's not the scenario we were discussing.
(DIR) Post #AKUfNYyFxukHWt08LQ by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:49:47.234777Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >they dont sell a product >ok well they do an i sound like a tard now so im gonna focus on the analogyYou should be embarrassed holy shit
(DIR) Post #AKUfRlpm5A2gaA2XrM by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:50:33.066671Z
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You clearly don't know what a product is.
(DIR) Post #AKUfYxIXrET2AFvIzA by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:51:51.269470Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Define it then
(DIR) Post #AKUfZIxjJItBM4Lzay by SolCreed@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:51:55.141263Z
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@Frosche @Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro People give Jews too much credit. They don't "naturally" end up ruling you. It's just a matter between collective organization vs. a mass of individualistsThe collectivist will always win in the end
(DIR) Post #AKUfcGENvDwlkiYNSi by HitlerWas6_4@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:51:02.959004Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro First, you are just wrong as the banks have to pay back their customers even if their loans default and they are insured against this (by the government) as well.Second, his point is that is an exploitative system too. It is.You just didn't want to admit that any aspect of this system is exploitative so you then changed what we were talking about from the hypothetical pension managed by a big bank to a community run pension.
(DIR) Post #AKUfr2XB83FdcGOJvc by Zauber@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:54:45.479082Z
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@SolCreed @Frosche @Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Their current power is unprecedented; the work of centuries of conspiracy coalescing at a pivotal point in history. Only to be destroyed within generations by the doing of the Jews themselves. This was the high point of Jewish power; they will never rise this far again. If the Jew survives the coming years, that race will be reduced back to the ghetto swindlers they began as.
(DIR) Post #AKUfsMEDOMnyzC9Kkq by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:55:21.723068Z
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@Zauber @SolCreed @Frosche @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Thank god
(DIR) Post #AKUfsyigHXkoMghCW8 by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:55:28.524182Z
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@Zauber @SolCreed @Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro That's why this queer promotes libertarianism. To keep the goy weak
(DIR) Post #AKUfxJ5eUFMyhXVKWu by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:56:15.401638Z
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@Frosche @Zauber @SolCreed @Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro And atheism too keep him spiritually weak
(DIR) Post #AKUg719043kHwFhVKK by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:58:00.701572Z
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Right, and what happens if enough loans go bad that they can't pay them back? Either:- The depositors don't get their money back and they get punished- They get bailed out and the entire country gets punishedEither way it's not the banker who gets hurt.I've pointed out that exploitative was a vague word. At least I got multiple definitions for usury, none of you could come up with one for exploitation. So whether the system is exploitative or not depends purely who you ask. It's not a meaningful question.I did not change what we're talking about. I pointed out a flaw in his argument that refusing to pay loans hurts pensioners, not bankers. He went off on a tangent about all pensions being bad.We're still on that tangent by the way, feel free to get back on topic if you'd like.As for this discussion I'm putting a 15 minute time limit on it. I have stuff to do and you guys aren't making very coherent arguments (ChristIsLord excepted).
(DIR) Post #AKUgHTQnkT10Z70s2S by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T22:59:54.139316Z
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Europeans were collectively organised when they showed up though.Their genius lies in infiltrating centralised power. Anywhere things are centralised enough they'll show up and start taking over. They have great difficulty in taking over decentralised systems.I would be genuinely interested in counterexamples if you can give any.
(DIR) Post #AKUgTKBHxyKZLqPMP2 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:02:01.972953Z
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@Eiregoat @HitlerWas6_4 @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Youre either lying or youre so totally retarded that you apparently cant read. Youre now trying too restate my argument without the moral question while misstating entirely what i said in your little recap. Its a pretty slimy fucking tacit but too make it clear youre cool with the banks having no risk right
(DIR) Post #AKUgTMYP900ei7Eqi8 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:02:02.997321Z
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I would like that to be the case but I don't think this is unprecedented. They're not doing anything particularly new. They've been doing the same thing over and over for a long time.If we do regain the strength to expell them it won't be the first time they've been expelled.
(DIR) Post #AKUgWjdbm7M9AmHSL2 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:02:39.586608Z
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I can't, it's not an objective term. Hence why I refuse to debate it, it's meaning will just be changed as convenient.
(DIR) Post #AKUgbtxso5iEeKEAMq by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:03:35.633525Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Murder isnt objective either do you believe murder is possible?
(DIR) Post #AKUgeJ8KCbb9HrG6pU by HitlerWas6_4@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:00:50.581773Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro So you agree that banks are heavily intertwined with the power structure of this country, that they are able to benefit at the cost of others through their normal operations, and that they are shielded from the consequences of their actions if they do go too far in destroying the lives of other people?
(DIR) Post #AKUgeJcSOZhWnJMAnQ by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:04:00.943177Z
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Banks, schools, universities, supermarkets, any large institution is, yes. They all have to go.However we do need to replace their functions somehow. Those things were all created int he first place to fulfill a need.
(DIR) Post #AKUgjx7iwl56lLfZU8 by FederalAgent69@poa.st
2022-06-14T22:04:34.598377Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Christ_is_Lord @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro You wouldn't be able to pass up the chance to suck every jews cock.
(DIR) Post #AKUgkmAJAuS548Gr5s by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:05:11.884600Z
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@Eiregoat @SolCreed @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro They run America with their power dispersed through governments, media, and a bunch of corporations and NGOs.Communism presented the Jews as a single powerful and oppressive target. Liberal capitalism has their power divided across so many targets and even competing viewpoints that it's impossible to attack them by opposing any one individual target, and this is them at their strongestWith decentralized power
(DIR) Post #AKUglEnyh0oxtH2voW by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:05:16.184972Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro Quick reply: I don't know who broccoli is and I'm not arguing about this sort of thing on other sites
(DIR) Post #AKUglS5pHxp36OUrwG by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:05:19.196539Z
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@Eiregoat @HitlerWas6_4 @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro How bout just the banks and we send you too the deserts of isreal where none of those things will exist in 10 years.
(DIR) Post #AKUgmOKMm3upiHkIee by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:05:29.061477Z
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Murder is objective, or at least much more so than "exploitative."It's usually defined as intentional unlawful killing, or something along those lines. Intent is somewhat vague but prosecutors aren't expected to prove it absolutely, just to the point that there's no good argument against the perpetrater deliberately killing.
(DIR) Post #AKUgqL111x0mbDZo0W by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:06:12.205922Z
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@Eiregoat @Zauber @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @SolCreed @sickburnbro So you would prefer extermination?
(DIR) Post #AKUgrrVlhFSpfoggzY by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:06:27.603491Z
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Oh ok, that's funny. You have a similar username to another person and you argue a lot like him. Could be a coincidence. Good luck with whatever you're up to.
(DIR) Post #AKUgugaQlsAwexDO3U by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:06:59.009668Z
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No deal.
(DIR) Post #AKUgv0txEzfzfIVGGO by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:07:02.875565Z
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@Frosche @Eiregoat @SolCreed @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Finance however is the connecting thread for all of these and ultimately the mechanism of exacting their will which is then laundered through the aforementioned institutions
(DIR) Post #AKUgy7bsksthL8X3OC by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:07:36.627190Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Define unlawful
(DIR) Post #AKUh0vcFnyaB0g2o7s by SolCreed@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:08:06.975167Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro They don't naturally infiltrate centralized institutions. They're a mafia and they attack in detail. Politicians are effectively just individuals in an organization because they like to cover they're own ass at the cost of the institution. Jews exploit this my teaming up and attacking/holding leverage over that individual. Do this enough times and you conquer an intuition. You can prevent this by 1) Physical removal from society 2) Collectivist morality based on race. As for the decentralized example, crypto. 'nough said
(DIR) Post #AKUh49xmv0e0NNepSS by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:08:42.059973Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Lmao it wasnt a choice
(DIR) Post #AKUh77efxOga5O8ADI by HitlerWas6_4@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:05:42.994013Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro So you can agree that banks need to be replaced with a different system that performs the function they perform but in a manner that is more conductive to the well being of the general public?
(DIR) Post #AKUh78E7pb2frKiTT6 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:09:12.422341Z
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Yes. My proposal is a return to local savings and loan institutions. Back before the new deal banks were most efficient when the managers personally knew all of their customers. That mechanic places an upper limit on their size and social ties in the community are a good proof against corruption.Even if individual banks do become corrupt and fail, it's a lot easier to replace one bank that had a quarter of your money than an entire global banking system that has all of it.
(DIR) Post #AKUh8cdUFxzgSdI1lw by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:09:30.375406Z
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Contrary to the law.
(DIR) Post #AKUh955STZ0OhUalG4 by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:09:35.464416Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Unlawful? The laws are whatever we make them, friend
(DIR) Post #AKUhI4kr544wHBFBc8 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:11:12.618744Z
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I understand your argument, but I disagree that if whites retake control of the finance industry that they will create the same problems. Any more than we would if we retake control of education or media production.Plus the core mechanic for the corruption is still subourning centralised institutions. If everything's decentralised that's no longer a possibility.
(DIR) Post #AKUhPB9XgtGa9AB7BI by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:12:29.986777Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro So a drunk driver is a murderer?
(DIR) Post #AKUhT4C1VfRtieC00W by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:13:12.120678Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @SolCreed @sickburnbro You understand jack shit
(DIR) Post #AKUhX9bHLayleExEzw by Dingodile@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:13:37.719767Z
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@Frosche @Eiregoat @SolCreed @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Oy we aren't a monolith goyim don't you know! 👃
(DIR) Post #AKUhdi1CIKww8CCflQ by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:15:07.529303Z
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@Eiregoat @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @SolCreed @sickburnbro I dont want too control i want too burn it down entirely root too stem
(DIR) Post #AKUhfGjqgvhy6Tpggq by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:15:24.451922Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro That's not just a fedpost btwI'm saying that your earthly laws can be changed at a whim and can't be used as an objective standard for anything.God's law is different, but you're a fedora tipper and I'm trying to meet you where you are
(DIR) Post #AKUhkGgMKP75NQaHI0 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:16:16.314411Z
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Ok, I agree up until the solutions:1) Physical removal is good, but european countries have tried that many times and as long as the vectors of infection remain their descendents will end up making the same mistake.2) I agree with this one, but christianity presents a problem since it's essentially civic nationalism. It encourages adherents to place religion above race and given enough time that tends to mean jew sympathising.
(DIR) Post #AKUhnzweUyP0cqz3Fw by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:16:59.078616Z
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@Frosche @Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Funny how a fraught concept like murder is so easily defined for this atheist faggot and yet usury is like a mysterious fog he simply cant decipher
(DIR) Post #AKUhpndNF1Wv1UpEky by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:17:17.752142Z
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@Eiregoat @SolCreed @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Your retard arguments against Christianity earn you no points here
(DIR) Post #AKUhqnpE13qhuCqZpw by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:17:29.509621Z
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Yes. I'm able to distinguish between legality and morality. Murder isn't necessarily morally wrong.
(DIR) Post #AKUhsJer9FPMvGicj2 by WhiteTemplar@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2022-06-14T23:17:45.222114Z
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@josh Thank you fren.
(DIR) Post #AKUhuDIFmZRRlL3EsS by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:18:06.493810Z
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@Eiregoat @SolCreed @Dadbolgainz @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Jesus chased them from the temple homo come on this is basic anti semitism at least try too fit in
(DIR) Post #AKUhwqRnBEvJm7lesK by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:18:35.024289Z
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@Eiregoat @SolCreed @Boomerman @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro "oy vey, removing Jews is good but complicated and really we should focus on those Christians first and foremost"You really can't help yourself
(DIR) Post #AKUhxOU6d8ybL96zCa by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:18:40.971928Z
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@Eiregoat @Frosche @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Hahahahahahaahah youre a fucking retard bro just shut the fuck up
(DIR) Post #AKUi07fzZztw4wyMgy by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:19:10.611488Z
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Good question. In some jurisdictions drunk drivers can be tried for murder, in others it's treated as a form of gross negligence so they would be tried for manslaughter.Personally I don't think it's murder unless he actually set out to kill someone, then the drunk part is irrelevant, or at least a separate crime. It should still be heavily punished though.
(DIR) Post #AKUi3s81KQAh13s1aa by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:19:51.255950Z
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@Frosche @Eiregoat @SolCreed @Dadbolgainz @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Wow that tumor is real bad but youre body is dying eventually anyway if we remove it so whats the point.
(DIR) Post #AKUi3ylwctfjccazeS by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:19:52.423141Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Bro what are your thoughts on age of consentAs a libertarian, it must be agonizing not to have brought it up yet
(DIR) Post #AKUi4WfObkdUk9nFAG by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:19:58.090613Z
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I agree, the system can't be reformed, but we'll still need to build something afterwards.
(DIR) Post #AKUi7xMzmZTiQlp3YW by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:20:35.540598Z
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I'm not an atheist if that's what you're saying. And as above I agree, morality is different to laws. We still need laws though.
(DIR) Post #AKUiFjl6Gx9iX6o72u by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:21:59.882119Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Awwww so you agree definitions may not be perfect for morally subjective things. can you agree that selling someone a loan at 2% interest but in reality may mean paying twice the principle is usury?
(DIR) Post #AKUiZeVtU3o83aBuIy by HitlerWas6_4@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:16:31.266963Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro You want a system where banks no longer loan money without any regard for the long term prosperity of their customers, and instead pursue mutually beneficial financial relationships with their local communities with which their owners and managers have strong personal connection to?
(DIR) Post #AKUiZew7uWn7MwSrC4 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:25:35.641015Z
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I want a system where people can put their money in a bank towards their retirement, and the bank loans that money out to other people in the community who need it while doing due diligence for risk and also respecting the community's moral standards (eg. not lending it to a whorehouse).The depositors get their future taken care of and the lenders get access to resources they need to do useful things, like start families and businesses. Interest is used to cover risk, pay the staff at the bank and incentivise the depositors to lend their money in the first place.Community ties and social pressure *should* prevent the bank from deliberately screwing anyone over or taking excessive risks, but if the bank does become corrupt it's much easier to replace a local private institution than some massive "too big to fail" juggernaut that owns the government supposed to regulate it.I genuinely don't understand why the above is a controversial proposal.
(DIR) Post #AKUigd1NQjg5SKF9M0 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:26:50.852977Z
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The definition of murder is well agreed upon. The definition of usury isn't. All I ask of anyone discussing it with me is to tell me what *they* mean by it. I don't think that's unreasonable.
(DIR) Post #AKUiprRNBmLQmanzHs by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:28:25.621223Z
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There comes a point where cancer is too widespread and the system can't be reformed. It's easier to start from scratch.
(DIR) Post #AKUireF9E7WIQowI8u by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:28:50.895026Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro If you think the definition isn't well agreed upon, why did you give responders shit for presenting you with different definitions
(DIR) Post #AKUivcYpQNQoN62TyK by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:29:31.873748Z
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There's a difference between definitions being imperfect and everyone having their own private definition.
(DIR) Post #AKUiy8n4Z9WAuRu3pg by andreas@yggdrasil.social
2022-06-14T23:30:01.436628Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @Frosche @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro usury against jews is good. usury against Whites is bad.
(DIR) Post #AKUj0xfKNuIxH6cqYa by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:30:31.392240Z
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I gave people shit for acting offended when I asked for a definition. Or acting like everyone agrees what it means when clearly they don't.
(DIR) Post #AKUjBZLZ8pT92MRM6i by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:32:26.912854Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Nah bro you were being a faggot over receiving different definitions
(DIR) Post #AKUjDT4HSNkw8vGDY0 by HitlerWas6_4@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:27:59.317234Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro I don't know either but some people object to banning usury because its exploitative for vague reasons.
(DIR) Post #AKUjDTbbSUPXoGqpUG by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:32:47.339439Z
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Well, the above would be illegal under some of the proposed usury laws. Like if interest were banned outright.I don't see how the system is harmful but if you can come up with a major flaw I'd be interested to hear it.
(DIR) Post #AKUjLJkbywODYwnt0C by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:34:12.677050Z
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So basically throwing the talmud back at them?Thing is, that creates a perverse incentive because lending to whites would be lossmaking, whereas lending to jews would be profitable, so only jews have access to capital.
(DIR) Post #AKUjOaLoigAvuplS2S by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:34:48.136786Z
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@Eiregoat @andreas @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Yes we should destroy capitalism
(DIR) Post #AKUjTSZ366CdDKHHai by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:35:41.009448Z
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Capitalism is another term I won't debate without specific definitions from the start. Again, means too many things to too many people.
(DIR) Post #AKUjeQcmeLEaNpFrou by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:37:39.954053Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro @andreas Concepts you like: complicated, hard to define, should be worked around, not eradicatedConcepts you don't like: straightforward, obvious, dismantled within secondsI'm noticing a pattern
(DIR) Post #AKUjjftLJYabBIVBFg by andreas@yggdrasil.social
2022-06-14T23:38:36.875997Z
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@Eiregoat @Frosche @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro shit-test the jews with capitalism while not being capitalists.
(DIR) Post #AKUjmlEBvlksbGj1lY by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:39:10.228244Z
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No.
(DIR) Post #AKUjpXhChPA5V3ccro by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:39:40.504012Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Apparently not because you yourself admitted its not agreed upon. What about a hate crime? Do those exist?
(DIR) Post #AKUjzNgwkVPJMuC29g by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:41:26.985963Z
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I did no such thing, it's well agreed upon. No one has to wonder what someone means when they say "murder."As this thread has proven usury can mean any one of ten different things, or anything the person saying it wants apparently, that's valid too."Hate crime" is a nonsense concept.
(DIR) Post #AKUk0RzgEtbn07SvWC by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:41:38.754549Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro @andreas Yes
(DIR) Post #AKUk7x1tFQffHd4l1M by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:43:00.093888Z
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@Eiregoat @Boomerman @josh @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro >no one wonders about murderHoly shit I have a couple hundred court cases that disagree with that thesis
(DIR) Post #AKUkI8gSlv3SKBuZMm by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:44:49.970168Z
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People might disagree about whether a specific case is murder, but the definition is well agreed upon (at least at a legal level).The same is not true of usury, capitalism or exploitation. You might as well ask someone if they oppose "bad."
(DIR) Post #AKUkRkjafdgmwTxTzE by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:46:34.536232Z
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@Eiregoat @Frosche @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy but it isn't. There are huge differences between countries and even large difference between states. And this is some as cut, if not necessarily dried as murder.
(DIR) Post #AKUkS5ytfvPWq2HVGC by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:46:38.540077Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro "yeah I oppose bad, how can you tell?"
(DIR) Post #AKUkaSs6S9MC9G5uE4 by andreas@yggdrasil.social
2022-06-14T23:48:09.290232Z
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@Frosche @Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Capital is durable produced goods that are in turn used as productive inputs for further production. An ideology of capitalism would be for the most durable produced goods that are in turned refined for further production of durable goods. Recursive profitable production at the private producer's and to a lesser extent private consumer's discretion.
(DIR) Post #AKUkfYJHf1GaSmEYpE by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:49:04.157415Z
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Some people think racism is bad, are you an anti-racist?Committing to a position on a vague term just leaves you vulnerable to other people subsequently defining that term. Ie. a lot of pilpul and no actual debate. It's a waste of time and I'm not interested in playing those games.
(DIR) Post #AKUkfdQYdP3WKmfwMC by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:49:05.153404Z
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@Eiregoat @HitlerWas6_4 @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy the problem is that this system doesn't work, and it doesn't work because it evolved into the system we have now.
(DIR) Post #AKUkj81ZKf0M67eY2C by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:49:43.229661Z
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@andreas @josh @Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro No the ideology of capitalism is Jews clip the corners off of coins and then centuries later you have drag kids
(DIR) Post #AKUknNCIrQrSJZhKmO by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:50:28.145776Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro "racism against whites is bad"
(DIR) Post #AKUkr2fZ7q9Do48PPE by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:51:09.038317Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro Also go suck an egg if you're going to throw "pilpul" out there, kike enabler
(DIR) Post #AKUksSX6S1fOJIqtQu by Dingodile@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:49:30.065261Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro There's no great disagreement on the definition of "usury" what is this shifty nigga on about? 🤔
(DIR) Post #AKUktx3CTM0RFUZpEe by Frosche@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:51:39.147054Z
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@Dingodile @Eiregoat @Boomerman @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy @josh @sickburnbro He's a libertarian (pedophile)
(DIR) Post #AKUkvQi7gNoLWlQI9g by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:51:56.506583Z
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Can you give an example?If it's caselaw about whether a particular set of circumstances apply, then that doesn't alter the definition.Anyhow, if I were discussing murder and someone were genuinely unsure what I meant by it (unlikely) I would have no objections to clarifying for the sake of the argument.I would not go red in the face and call them names because they asked or ridicule them for suggesting that I'm being unclear. Especially not if multiple other people had given conflicting definitions of murder in the same thread.
(DIR) Post #AKUkznRV6kXRBgjLN2 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:52:43.495134Z
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There is. I asked for a definition and got a different one from each person. Read the thread.
(DIR) Post #AKUlACkxqWM4apnUky by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:54:36.709687Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy usually the most salient examples are difference in premeditation
(DIR) Post #AKUlNPKMQ2i5LUeJUm by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-14T23:56:59.722953Z
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Right, so defining and proving intent. That's not a departure from the definition I provided.
(DIR) Post #AKUlVXE4w59Y9xaPg0 by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-14T23:58:27.372197Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy Ah but do you understand how this is exactly the same as defining what is usury?
(DIR) Post #AKUlsIuBPasolRIM3k by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-15T00:02:35.053687Z
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It's nothing like that no.Minor differences in opinion over what constitutes intent or what circumstances the definition applies to is not comparable to the wildly different definitions of usury I was given earlier.If a legal system defined a crime as "whatever I feel it is at the time" would you say it's well defined? That was one of the definitions of usury I was given.
(DIR) Post #AKUlxoieYUs2siWyZM by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-15T00:03:34.682341Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy If you can't separate out tongue in cheek responses or people that are frustrated with our system, I can't help you.
(DIR) Post #AKUmUieG9DULbqAGwa by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-15T00:09:31.485714Z
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It's late and I've spent way too much time today replying to this thread. I can be excused for missing the odd /s.
(DIR) Post #AKUmcgMyVJBkrHsRaS by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-06-15T00:10:57.237440Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Boomerman @Frosche @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @HitlerWas6_4 @MechaSilvio @MyLittleFashy Yes, I congratulate you on the hellthread
(DIR) Post #AKUmfK4tq8AyaigKBM by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-15T00:11:25.939009Z
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I'm exhausted. Night man.
(DIR) Post #AKUqTAYDpplfNwrCvg by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-06-15T00:27:09.692473Z
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@Christ_is_Lord @Eiregoat @JSDorn @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro This is an interesting historical background.thank you. I’d like to hear more. Could you explain the 2/3 and 1/3 example a bit more. I don’t understand how this resulted in a profit for anyone. But I am pretty dense.
(DIR) Post #AKUqTAxOKFtue0dJA0 by Christ_is_Lord@poa.st
2022-06-15T00:54:02.836443Z
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@anti-climacus @Eiregoat @JSDorn @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro I have a venture that I think will turn a profit. Let's say it's an expedition to the new world. It could also be a farm, or a bridge, or anything. I have a bit of money, but not enough to fund the whole thing. I go to a bank.Let's say the whole project costs 300k to fund. I chip in 100k (one third) and the bank chips in 200k (two thirds). I take responsibility for the whole endeavour, it's my time and my labour, and the bank doesn't have to do anything more. The bank and I treat this as equal and fair: their money vs my money and time.Let's say the venture is a success, I return with 1 million dollars. We split the profits in half. One half for the 200k the bank contributed. One half for the 100k plus labour. Both of us are very happy, I'm rewarded for my labour and the bank is rewarded for their investment. The bank gets 500k back (300k profit plus their 200k) I get 500k (100k plus 400k profit)If the venture fails: the bank loses its money, not only that I lose my money AND all the time and effort that I out in. The bank doesn't get to take my house. I don't have to sell my car. We only lose what we put in.There are a few upsides to this:- we never have a cascading debt cycle where one default triggers a financial crash because the loses are limited to the principal- the bank will never lend to someone who they don't think will make a profit. This avoids the circumstances where a predatory lender lends to a farmer, not because they think the farm will succeed but because they hope it will fail and the farmer will have to surrender the land to pay off their debts.- the size of the economy is limited to the size of the real economy because their is no funny money with lending $11 when you only have $12 because you'll use interest to pay off your interest.This kind of deal can be structured in different ways (for example not 50/50) but the principle is sound.If we look at the functional sections of the economy this is mostly how they still do investment. This is what stocks were. It works and it's worked for a long time.What the government and the central bank does is usury. They take out loans to pay for things, and then take out loans to pay for those loans. The system we have now where we must have perpetual growth exists because people have the spectre of interest haunting them. Worse, all investment is now distorted because people ask themselves: why would I do a sane investment when someone is promising me greater returns from usury?
(DIR) Post #AKUqc689di5qHWvDDE by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-15T00:55:40.756690Z
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If you're referring to what I think then he's referring to investment lending.The idea is that, if you need money for your business, I provide it to you in exchange for a stake in the business for a certain period. During that time I get a percentage of any profits you make. The lender is hoping that the profits they're paid will exceed the value of the loan.Personally I think 1/2 is extreme and way worse than most banks, but apparently that was acceptable.
(DIR) Post #AKUty6q46DCIcowtGq by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-06-15T01:30:05.387738Z
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@Eiregoat @josh @Christ_is_Lord @Godcast @JSDorn @sickburnbro Thanks. I think I’m tracking now. Appreciate your response.
(DIR) Post #AKUtyY4spE5r6b5bcG by anti-climacus@poa.st
2022-06-15T01:29:12.509428Z
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@Christ_is_Lord @Eiregoat @JSDorn @josh @Godcast @sickburnbro Thanks for typing this all out. I get it now. Like a partnership where one partner contributes capitol and the other labor (and a smaller amount of capitol). I was too stuck thinking not of business but of housing. I agree with you on usury (although I’m pretty new to the party). I’m not sure how home purchasing would work since there are no profits to divvy up though. Perhaps though usury has artificially inflated the real cost of a home. Appreciate your post.
(DIR) Post #AKUuaMRcWf2q1tkrU8 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-15T01:40:11.194411Z
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One mechanism for that in the past was mixed use developments. The ground floor of the building was a business and the upper floors were for the business owner's family. So it can be constructed as a loan for the business.Including some rooms for rental is another option. Still common in japan.The problem with the current housing market is that regulators prohibit the construction of small cheap homes, so new housing stock can only be large expensive apartments and houses. They also mandate a lot of green-new-deal type luxuries that a lot of people can't afford. The result is that low income renters are stuck competing for existing cheap housing stock (of which there's a scarcity) so rent keeps getting pushed up.The usual explanation for this is that governments are in the pocket of landlords and they're deliberately pushing rents up to improve profits. But at the same time they keep imposing more and more costs and reporting requirements on landlords so I don't think that's true.My personal suspicion is that they're deliberately creating a housing crisis just like they're creating an economic crisis to drive demand for the great reset.
(DIR) Post #AKVlCEIcS8w9O8vHqi by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-06-15T11:29:40.297368Z
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Sorry, never saw this. Those are fair examples, but the problem I gave is that those institutions create a central point of failure.If all it takes to destroy a system is one bad leader or an enemy gaining access to some printing plates then it's a weak system.
(DIR) Post #AL823w6QkEL22VwOeG by Adolfo_HODL@poa.st
2022-07-03T22:35:54.001761Z
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@MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro @GLObalMARinePR @Eiregoat @Godcast @josh true. Bitcoin is the solution your looking for. Some of the Islamic finance bro’s have figured this out.Bitcoin creates an economic system that is not based on debt/credit/interest, but rather on equity.Few.
(DIR) Post #AL823xT9fE6sHHa3hw by Adolfo_HODL@poa.st
2022-07-03T22:37:07.964302Z
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@josh @MyLittleFashy @Eiregoat @sickburnbro @Godcast @GLObalMARinePR this is VERY poorly understood by almost everyone in the world, dissident right included.
(DIR) Post #AL8271BgIR1kg6rmqm by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-07-03T22:38:15.570174Z
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Mostly I just like that it's decentralised, has limited supply and is exposed to competition.
(DIR) Post #AL82cO0FWCZGPtTcZ6 by Adolfo_HODL@poa.st
2022-07-03T22:40:05.883321Z
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@MyLittleFashy @sickburnbro @GLObalMARinePR @Godcast @Eiregoat @josh yeah that stuff is true.It’s value to dissidents as decentralized / censorship resistant payment system is obvious to most people I think.But that’s barely even scratching the surface of it.
(DIR) Post #AL82phu6q2S1u2xNfk by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
2022-07-03T22:46:20.235325Z
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Holy fucking shit did you just resurrect that hell thread from weeks ago? 😂 But yeah, there's all kinds of interesting things you can do with crypto. One proposal I saw was to constantly recycle dead accounts and put their contents back in the rewards pool for miners, or airdrop it to everyone.So if you're still alive you can keep your account going by making small transactions every five years, but if you lose your keys/die then the supply doesn't gradually deflate.