Post AJDWSfPCVnPap47Em0 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AJDPFXy69VOoJTEfOC by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T17:05:31Z
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Why nomadic identity could be the Fediverse's killer feature: no need to register at a website ever again.
(DIR) Post #AJDPFgK15tgYDlYHfE by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:06:51Z
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@atomicpoet drawback: you now have an easily trackable identity.of course you can always make a new one.
(DIR) Post #AJDPOf7Ax3ND5EpOTo by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T17:08:30.113512Z
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@atomicpoet "sign up with google!"
(DIR) Post #AJDPRgvef9rdZwsqci by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T17:09:02Z
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@thor Exactly. The best way to think about this is in terms of identity/persona. Which is why we need to normalize the idea of persona roles.
(DIR) Post #AJDPcPveD1zQ2UzjRA by megabyteGhost@merveilles.town
2022-05-07T17:10:58Z
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@thor @atomicpoet since about 2013 I’ve been working on condensing my entire online identity into one easily deleted package. One day I’m just going to be gone and all that will be left is whatever got cached or screenshotted.
(DIR) Post #AJDPeW6oCeA3mlDTsm by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:11:22Z
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@atomicpoet the extreme of that would be split personality disorder
(DIR) Post #AJDPiyWuTb2B5dYDsu by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:12:10Z
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@megabyteGhost @atomicpoet i tried having multiple personas but i find it difficult to maintain more than one
(DIR) Post #AJDPoweUN2wb0HwV4C by RevolutionaryPineapple@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T17:13:14Z
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@thor @atomicpoet yeah I think this is key, so long as you can create new accounts with ease, then that’s not too worrying
(DIR) Post #AJDPp0rOizeA3U0rk8 by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T17:13:16.267266Z
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@thor @atomicpoet I mean, it is totally possible to create a separate personality within one's own mind.it's called tulpamancy, I believe.
(DIR) Post #AJDPpjmfhPbXNr9E7k by megabyteGhost@merveilles.town
2022-05-07T17:13:22Z
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@thor @atomicpoet I have sockpuppets places for monitoring but otherwise I am only me, megabyteGhost
(DIR) Post #AJDPvlUAHn1cOlMjCa by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:14:29Z
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@megabyteGhost @atomicpoet i occasionally use other accounts on other instances and such, to check things out, but yeah
(DIR) Post #AJDQ5wcpitt7qNH3om by megabyteGhost@merveilles.town
2022-05-07T17:16:18Z
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@thor @atomicpoet actually now that I think about it, I use my real name for day job because I am a public facing figure in that capacity. So technically there is “Garrett mickley” and “megabyteGhost” but I do absolutely nothing to keep the two separate other than just what is natural.
(DIR) Post #AJDQ7Mpdm0Q9PZwWzw by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:16:35Z
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@dhfir @atomicpoet it sounds to me as though this is more of a thing inside the head than something one embodiesthough with that said, i've become better at adapting to different situations in terms of how i present myself.
(DIR) Post #AJDQG0NqbYfeOb3u5o by RevolutionaryPineapple@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T17:12:47Z
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@atomicpoet @thor what’s a persona role in this context?
(DIR) Post #AJDQG0rGqACrrqpOxE by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T17:15:45Z
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@RevolutionaryPineapple @thor I think you go to look at the function of a persona. For example, I have a work persona and a family persona. Work persona deals with bills and financing, and all that crap. Family persona is about important events like birthday parties, weddings, etc.
(DIR) Post #AJDQG1FjNDlx5iGw52 by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:18:08Z
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@atomicpoet @RevolutionaryPineapple at one point in my life, that kind of adaptation wasn't easy for me to do, so i was bad at it
(DIR) Post #AJDQLWr5ItGgYJN596 by RevolutionaryPineapple@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T17:18:32Z
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@atomicpoet @thor ahhhh got you there. Yeah I agree. I think it’s very important to practise good hygiene with online identities. Sadly I think the culture around social media at the moment doesn’t foster that. Unfortunately, I think many people are going to find out the hard way sadly
(DIR) Post #AJDQLXJna8EjzMo0u0 by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:19:08Z
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@RevolutionaryPineapple @atomicpoet it sounds like a distrust of people to me
(DIR) Post #AJDQVHx1ZWV3Dvnrto by RevolutionaryPineapple@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T17:20:50Z
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@thor @atomicpoet welllll, to be fair, I think it isn’t necessarily the worst thing in the world to be guarded about data that’s so personal to us. Like, it doesn’t even necessarily mean that we’re worried about other people we’re interacting with, so much as what the platforms might do with that data. At least for me anyways.
(DIR) Post #AJDQXA1I1ypxCkgueW by greenbear@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:19:21Z
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@dhfir @thor @atomicpoet Is that the name for it?? That's helpful. Heaven knows it happens often enough.
(DIR) Post #AJDQXALUor04DQ939E by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:21:14Z
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@greenbear @dhfir @atomicpoet hm, the closest thing i can think of to that is something which occasionally happens to me, when i've just woken up. the voice inside me will say negative things.at one point, that was just a part of "me"later, it became "the depressive voice"now it's closer to "the little devil sitting on my shoulder"
(DIR) Post #AJDQie58bKyNcry2V6 by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T17:23:19.347244Z
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@greenbear @thor @atomicpoet tulpamancy is, to my understanding, an intentional practice where you creatw a separate/independant personality in your head.it can be undone, but like, that's a separate person there, so it's vaguely murder-y.
(DIR) Post #AJDR6pyy0VJJU6cI8O by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T17:27:40.444958Z
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@thor @greenbear @atomicpoet well yeah.but that isn't really tulpamancy?my personal theory, in part from hearing about a "theory of modular subselves" and in part from speaking with plural systems about their experiences, is that we're all made up of a bunch of subselves/personas/instincts more or less pretending to be a singular person.
(DIR) Post #AJDRDq5i08Zvqh6ntg by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:28:57Z
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@dhfir @greenbear @atomicpoet interesting how that's more or less exactly complementary/opposite of where i come from, in which i perceive it as one person pretending to be several.
(DIR) Post #AJDRJO23Ek3GYy2jxI by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:29:57Z
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@dhfir @greenbear @atomicpoet or another way to describe it, which may align better: "i am this person who has different sides, which may come across to others as different personalities."
(DIR) Post #AJDRQCNaxW1uRzMu7k by greenbear@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:29:59Z
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@dhfir @thor @atomicpoet I'm not going to argue with that--we have different personalities around different people, at different times, etc.
(DIR) Post #AJDRQCjZdnbvY9eSNk by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:31:10Z
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@greenbear @dhfir @atomicpoet some people allow for more variation than others. the people who feel they're "bad liars" will tend to stick to one persona more. which is what i did. i had to develop "confidence" to become more socially adaptive.
(DIR) Post #AJDRVMx74oZygoRmue by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:32:06Z
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@greenbear @dhfir @atomicpoet i had a complex where i feared being too inconsistent.
(DIR) Post #AJDRgZ4CNObrRl6FJA by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T17:34:08.066344Z
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@thor @greenbear @atomicpoet ehh.one can see it as a mountain with multiple peaks.one can count the mountains or the peaks.we're conditioned to count thw mountains.are plural systems different from us, or merely counting the peaks?
(DIR) Post #AJDRj6JBkst37iJvyC by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:34:36Z
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@greenbear @dhfir @atomicpoet both of my parents had this similar idea of appearing consistent.dad would punish me for "lies"mom would say "be yourself"i had no clue what that meant at the time, although i thought i did, so i guess i unconsciously interpreted this as "stick with the same thing all the time" and i developed a fear of everything else.
(DIR) Post #AJDRoz9ZGr4GfZcu9I by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T17:35:39.871871Z
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@thor @atomicpoet @greenbear probably some variation there.
(DIR) Post #AJDS0MSOy62288rOsq by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T17:37:43.259780Z
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@atomicpoet @greenbear @thor like, some plural systems speak of not realizing their own inconsistent behaviours were due to different personalities being at the helm?so clearly some malleability there.
(DIR) Post #AJDS6D2ksgCmfieXo0 by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:38:47Z
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@dhfir @greenbear @atomicpoet feels like much of this is about self-perception and what restrictions you feel you had.
(DIR) Post #AJDSIeIhMi4agR2fCK by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:41:02Z
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@dhfir @greenbear @atomicpoet one thing i've noticed, in contrast these plural systems, is this underlying expectation of keeping all things in one place. expecting every social scenario to satisfy a broad range of needs, and if only some of them are satisfied, i feel unsatisfied. and i've noticed that some people split this up more, which sounds handy.
(DIR) Post #AJDSMKhOBbIT32LbKy by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T17:41:41.297911Z
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@thor @greenbear @atomicpoet oh it's probably a lot about self-perception.supposedly bhuddhists say a lot about like, the self being an illusion?so like, maybe there is no mountain.just a bunch of peaks pretending.
(DIR) Post #AJDSNhKzV8szYBWPj6 by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:41:57Z
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@dhfir @greenbear @atomicpoet for example, i don't *feel* that work and life are separate things.i'm told they are, but it doesn't feel like they are.
(DIR) Post #AJDSWYSlrkJcdINsZc by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T17:43:32.342789Z
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@thor @greenbear @atomicpoet huh.perhaps you're more singular then?so much has turned out to be some manner of spectrum, being a singular person may as well join them.
(DIR) Post #AJDSndNkpWXeoPBKHQ by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:46:38Z
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@dhfir @greenbear @atomicpoet it may be about narrowing or broadening. how spread out you are.
(DIR) Post #AJDStQtk9sRRpZuRU0 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T17:46:28Z
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@dhfir @greenbear @thor Okay, but getting back to the original topic, a persona is different from a personality. A persona is not your identity or how you relate to yourself. It's the public "face" you put on so others relate to you.
(DIR) Post #AJDStRMoPnh5HjVenA by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:47:39Z
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@atomicpoet @dhfir @greenbear funny, to me, we're still on topic
(DIR) Post #AJDSv3MwbrDZR6LAsi by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:47:58Z
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@atomicpoet @dhfir @greenbear just in a broader sense
(DIR) Post #AJDT4QOoLyvnT8gMxE by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T17:49:39.393704Z
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@thor @atomicpoet @greenbear of course, I suppose they might think the constituent personalities similarly illusionary.no mountains, no peaks, just a bunch of stone in a shape, and then someone comes along and calls it a "mountain"like, you know how it's all just molecules if you go down far enough?like that.
(DIR) Post #AJDTDqV2gKuz1a5akK by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T17:51:20Z
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@thor @dhfir @greenbear Sure, but the nature of identity and personality is more in the realm of metaphysics. People have been trying to grasp that for eons. What everyone can be clear on is that how you relate to yourself is different from how others relate to you. And that's why distinguishing between identity and persona is important.
(DIR) Post #AJDTNgsXJ8A855ly3U by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T17:53:08.556933Z
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@atomicpoet @greenbear @thor the topic is the nature of the mind/the possibly-illusory nature of unified consciousness.and the masks we wear are absolutely a part of us.an actor that can't stick get into an act generally doesn't do well, y'know?
(DIR) Post #AJDTWpWUXMQjUuorui by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T17:54:47.196804Z
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@atomicpoet @thor @greenbear Is it?if you Identify as/consider yourself compassionate, does that not affect how we treat others?there does not seem to be a firm linw of demarcation.
(DIR) Post #AJDTgruQWL9pnGnlZo by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T17:55:32Z
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@dhfir @greenbear @thor Yeah, but I'm trying to figure out how this can all work with software, especially on social media. That's been my burning question.
(DIR) Post #AJDTgsNUmGPTFQOysy by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T17:56:36Z
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@atomicpoet @dhfir @greenbear also consider how software can work with us. when is software the solution? when is it not?
(DIR) Post #AJDTjiIGj8nyqBJIAq by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T17:57:07.365302Z
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@atomicpoet @thor @greenbear furthermore, the nature of Identity/the self/consciousness is a matter for the philosophers.which we are.and psychologists/neurologists.which we, admittedly, are not.
(DIR) Post #AJDTykunGNOpJYVDcG by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T17:59:50Z
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@thor @dhfir @greenbear There's no way identity/personality/persona can possibly be encapsulated by software. I don't even think it's worth trying. But again, I don't think it's my bank's business to see my daughter's birthday party pics. And because I don't think it's their business, I think a persona serves a function.
(DIR) Post #AJDU9wZAHiSedRikFs by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T18:01:51.001713Z
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@atomicpoet @thor @greenbear indeed.having multiple faces for different occasions is an option we should preserve.
(DIR) Post #AJDUL4zbIPapxFObFw by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T18:03:53Z
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@dhfir @greenbear @atomicpoet right. now, as a person who has argued, multiple times, in favour of nomadic personas, i'm now going to ask why we need those in order to preserve the option to have several personas. these goals don't seem to be in alignment.
(DIR) Post #AJDUmcsDR4Y8qx4osK by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T18:08:50Z
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@thor @dhfir @greenbear Personally, I think identity should be self-sovereign. Nobody should own it except you. After all, it's how you relate to yourself. A persona, by definition, is shared. It can even be owned by multiple people. A persona can be "killed" at will and revived multiple times. It can be based on truth or fiction.
(DIR) Post #AJDV9XbLCgNvA76uMC by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T18:12:59.121853Z
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@atomicpoet @thor @greenbear what is Identity but the mask you wear when you look in the mirror?and how is this different from other masks.two question which I feel will get varied answers.
(DIR) Post #AJDVjdWme8WHy4Brxw by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T18:18:18Z
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@dhfir @greenbear @thor Well, I generally believe who I am is up to me to decide.
(DIR) Post #AJDVjdx14bVHHQSor2 by thor@berserker.town
2022-05-07T18:19:30Z
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@atomicpoet @dhfir @greenbear ah, and then we hit free will vs determinism or destiny
(DIR) Post #AJDVosH5FI4R9ULQ7E by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-05-07T18:20:28.551952Z
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@atomicpoet @greenbear @thor indeed.one chooses one's masks too.
(DIR) Post #AJDWSfPCVnPap47Em0 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-05-07T18:27:38Z
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@thor @dhfir @greenbear If I were to consider where much of conflict over human rights arises, it's about how other entities try to control our identity.