Post AJ6SOEP7bMbUJ26p6m by pheonix@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AJ6RIp5SCemaNrlblI by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T08:26:49Z
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This is what's wrong with the tech industry. The expectation that one should give their free time *EVERY DAY* or you're somehow "not passionate".My response to that would be fuck you and your shitty fucking culture.My kids and family are FAR more important to me than your ridiculous expectations.</rant> 🙃
(DIR) Post #AJ6RwIj5wFSLbQ8JmK by Nujtag@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T08:33:58Z
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@kev #Truth
(DIR) Post #AJ6S5U5R4QPtRTxh68 by dcz@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T08:35:37Z
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@kev It's a misunderstanding based on the definition of the word "passionate". You don't have to be passionate to do a job well. Passionate about working at a cash register? Give me a break.Passionate about art, waxing lyricals after hours? Okay.But you can be "dedicated" - to good service. A woodworker can be dedicated to quality, without being passionate. So can a programmer.The problem with the quote is "programming is not for you". No, good work doesn't require passion, just dedication
(DIR) Post #AJ6S89jXCRX3BczY0W by deightonrobbie@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T08:36:08Z
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@kev Whay was he giving interviews when he could have been programming? 😈
(DIR) Post #AJ6S9bSzZdmBUNwbia by deightonrobbie@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T08:36:25Z
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@kev Why was he giving interviews when he could have been programming? 😈
(DIR) Post #AJ6SBk2KgKTeeDUh84 by swansinflight@mastodon.nz
2022-05-04T08:36:44Z
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@kev "Why do you enjoy this career"Because I like the things that being paid money allows me to do.That simple.
(DIR) Post #AJ6SDsNqcQ7T7AZjzU by pheonix@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T08:37:11Z
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@kev Who is their ideal candiate?The one who "grinds all day" AKA is all about that married-to-work lifestyle?My guess : It's an unmarried male, preferably below 35 with no hobbies, extracurriculars, social life, addiction. He prefers to stay back after work, underpromises and over-performs and does your work for you at 1/4 the market salary? Did I check all the boxes?
(DIR) Post #AJ6SFrZ6dHD39hmy7E by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2022-05-04T08:37:34.386752Z
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@kev The correct answer is "breast milk theft simulators".
(DIR) Post #AJ6SGscqAyd8jX1LBQ by swansinflight@mastodon.nz
2022-05-04T08:37:38Z
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@kev "Why do you enjoy this career"Because I like the things that being paid money allows me to do. Not everyone is John Carmack.
(DIR) Post #AJ6SO0EgHNvwMb7HtI by mykd@mastodon.social
2022-05-04T08:38:59Z
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@kev I wonder how a surgeon would apply this advice. Would Bob accept them spending the evenings piercing and tatooing their family? Or would he insist on full surgery?
(DIR) Post #AJ6SOEP7bMbUJ26p6m by pheonix@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T08:39:00Z
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@kev Who is their ideal candidate?The one who "grinds all day" AKA is all about that 24x7 work lifestyle?My guess : It's an unmarried male, preferably below 35 with no hobbies, extracurriculars, social life, addiction. He prefers to stay back after work, underpromises and over-performs and does your work for you at 1/4 the market salary? Did I check all the boxes?
(DIR) Post #AJ6SRSZfNFsJ7ea4JM by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T08:39:36Z
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@deightonrobbie 😂 exactly! Where's *his* passion?!
(DIR) Post #AJ6SWx8VAnlJM9UgoS by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T08:40:36Z
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@pheonix I think that's probably accurate.
(DIR) Post #AJ6T5ctGRF48hUtsYa by huntra@mastodon.technology
2022-05-04T08:46:51Z
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@kev i would if i had the fucking energy, im so drained after work...these robots probably dont understand the concept of rest and wonder why they feel like shit in their 30s
(DIR) Post #AJ6T9CLF5VlBWGgqLg by Mek101@mstdn.io
2022-05-04T08:47:30Z
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@kev I'm passionate, just not about making you money
(DIR) Post #AJ6THv00w5ESL5v1s0 by annathecrow@fandom.ink
2022-05-04T08:49:03Z
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@kev FREAKING SECONDED. I hate this attitude with a passion. How do you dare have a family, an unrelated hobby, a disability?(If I wanted to be especially suspicious bastard about it, this is a good way to lower the self-esteem of everybody who isn't the uber-obsessed programmer, which then makes them easier to push around, underpay, owerwork.)Sure, I know a guy who lives and breathes coding. I admire him! But the rest of us do good work as well.
(DIR) Post #AJ6TQdB0ZMsvfZDQye by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-04T08:50:38Z
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@kev That's far from a healthy Work-Life balance, it's one of the things that makes me the most happy about living in Europe, it seems like work and life is a lot less horribly balanced here.
(DIR) Post #AJ6TUoGzFsYpF70Mkq by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T08:51:25Z
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@sotolf yeah agreed. One thing I always try to do for my teams is have a positive work:life balance.It's so important.
(DIR) Post #AJ6TgRucDZfJMo5h7g by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-04T08:53:31Z
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@kev Yeah, I think it also makes people more productive, it's more of an assumption I have based on a sample size of 1 so take it with a pinch of salt, but I am so much less productive in weeks that I'm on-call, even if nobody calls that week, because I always have to be prepared to switch on it makes me less productive when I'm working.
(DIR) Post #AJ6TsF9nT19lHZodm4 by Remi@poa.st
2022-05-04T08:55:42.520675Z
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@kev If he was hiring more well-adjusted people maybe the company wouldn't have turned into a haven for sex pests 🤷
(DIR) Post #AJ6TvQRJyVED8yWuwK by basil@sarcasm.stream
2022-05-04T08:55:41Z
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@kev Company in a job advert: we're looking for code ninjas who live and breathe code. If you aren't at the office writing code, you're at home writing code or in the shower thinking about code. Does this sound like you? Apply today.Also company: why is it we only get applications from young men?
(DIR) Post #AJ6UCBlnllxyZN6Rc0 by m2m@indieweb.social
2022-05-04T08:59:09Z
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@kev that's what happened to me twenty years ago when I started working in the game industry. As soon as I'd decided to stop being there 24/7 I got labeled as 'not passionate anymore' and ostracized. I left the company.
(DIR) Post #AJ6UFggfHDnLKHMuES by rune@mcd.dk
2022-05-04T08:59:53Z
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@kev somehow not surprising to find a toxic game dev employer take. That whole industry is trash fire.
(DIR) Post #AJ6UGVDhOfvc3DCzfE by fmartingr@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T09:00:03Z
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@kev I not embarrassed to say that I used to think like that (early 20s), but priorities changes and your job can't be your hobby 24/7, there are other things in life to spent time on.
(DIR) Post #AJ6UegDs8lkL7ponY0 by Anachron@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T09:04:25Z
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@kev guess someone isnt passionate for his family... or doesn't have one and can thus not judge over people who do.Different people have different priorities, we should just not try to push our views onto them.
(DIR) Post #AJ6UzOuThil1VncxDk by jb@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T09:08:10Z
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@kev I think these kind of people need to be told to their faces they are sociopaths that need a medical attention. Good thing this is not part of culture and core values in Europe.
(DIR) Post #AJ6VtSFCUj7M4N34TI by raboof@merveilles.town
2022-05-04T09:18:17Z
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@kev I happen love coding in my free time (sometimes), and even I would take this as a huge red flag...
(DIR) Post #AJ6W4hIUrqtpwQx2sS by raboof@merveilles.town
2022-05-04T09:20:18Z
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@kev I happen to enjoy coding in my free time (sometimes), and even I would take this as a huge red flag...
(DIR) Post #AJ6WWNDt64pVn3zavw by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T09:25:18Z
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@basil ridiculous.
(DIR) Post #AJ6WaLpeD7CedPYDwW by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T09:26:03Z
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@Anachron exactly.
(DIR) Post #AJ6WgWqcASY4XJwu7k by skenizen@mastodon.online
2022-05-04T09:27:07Z
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@kev @raboof @kev about original poster: tell me you are in a high position in a game company without telling you are...Most people in the game industry don't have time to do side project because they are working overhours, consequence of tight schedules and mismanagement. Time is a luxury, and when you are exhausted, this fun project you do at home start to look not so fun.He might have time to kill, but people working under him likely don't.
(DIR) Post #AJ6Wmxbra0pNH77G1g by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T09:28:18Z
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@skenizen yep. This just screams to me that they're a shitty manager who is oblivious to the needs of their team. @raboof
(DIR) Post #AJ6Wtl32gLieLK4PL6 by david@tech.lgbt
2022-05-04T09:29:32Z
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@kev Well, it is Blizzard after all
(DIR) Post #AJ6Ww8q3CVGYht87dY by eludom@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T09:30:00Z
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@kev Agree %100 on priorities. I've long hated the phony abuse of the word "passionate" on, e.g., LinkedIn profiles. I guess my bottom line is to be passionate about the people in your life, not some fake career virtue signaling http://port111.com/curious/blog/im-passionate-about/
(DIR) Post #AJ6X9mmlzPK4Mi6Ryy by muio@social.sakamoto.gq
2022-05-04T09:32:27.617791Z
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@kev >gamedev>blizzardwhat did you expect?
(DIR) Post #AJ6XDgOhgNrTi8he40 by chandlerpeachy@mastodon.social
2022-05-04T09:33:09Z
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@kev im a big believer of working when it's working time, relaxing when it's relaxing time.
(DIR) Post #AJ6XYh7OCLEQ1lciTg by SonoMichele@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T09:36:56Z
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@kev I noticed during my internship that after working 8 hours on coding things when I got home I didn't want to code for other hours for my little "fun" side project. It's like it makes me feel bad sometimes if I try to code more even if I'm very passionate about this
(DIR) Post #AJ6XiyizamnxWr7F1k by jomo@mstdn.io
2022-05-04T09:38:47Z
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@kev @lubiana is this a fake screenshot?https://twitter.com/BlizzardFitch/status/1276270183464624128
(DIR) Post #AJ6XzBZVaxN80TPMH2 by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2022-05-04T09:41:47.346338Z
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@jomo @lubiana @kev Probably deleted due to backlash and replaced.Rather than adding an edit function, I'd like Elon-sama to remove the delete button. Make them live with their failures.
(DIR) Post #AJ6YTI6frYe6xhHC2C by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-05-04T09:47:12.202432Z
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@kev The only problem I see here is that they ask for the highest-output programmers but they pay below median for software engineers.
(DIR) Post #AJ6ZdVIrkjYMjyPe6K by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-05-04T10:00:14.696781Z
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@pheonix @kev reminded me of this glorious thread from twitterhttps://archive.ph/Hn1We
(DIR) Post #AJ6aYDWEXzOM5bhy52 by Senator_Armstrong@detroitriotcity.com
2022-05-04T10:10:30.510130Z
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@kev I mean I wouldn't say this in an interview but the truth is I don't give a fuck about the industry at all and it is nothing more than a paycheck. My goal is to get paid the maximum amount for doing the least possible work lol.
(DIR) Post #AJ6al7ejelXRfdq3Oq by ivanterrible@kiwifarms.cc
2022-05-04T10:12:50.326004Z
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@MoonBig tech wants white, high performing, super focused autistic males with no social life who have to settle for pajeet levels of pittance for wage. @kev
(DIR) Post #AJ6ap1mDSRJYavCReq by Vyen@queer.garden
2022-05-04T10:13:27Z
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@kev Don’t know if „well, you know, I’m too busy doing your partner while you write code in your freetime“ would be a good answer but it’s kind of appropriate.
(DIR) Post #AJ6bFrb5Pf8CqGn3Ka by wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk
2022-05-04T10:18:10Z
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@kev SIF.You can be passionate about multiple things. Family, coding, food, growing things. Obsessive is the correct word.
(DIR) Post #AJ6bXLfUrWkl1rBshc by tercean@chaos.social
2022-05-04T10:21:30Z
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@kev I've asked this in interviews at the workshop for 30 years: What do you build at home? Many answer they don't have time. Wrong. If you don't have the passion to woodwork 24/7, being a carpenter isn't for you. 🤮
(DIR) Post #AJ6fo7w5ZW7pB7Cvg0 by mattonthehill@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T11:09:19Z
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@kev I briefly worked at a games company who had never done "crunch" before, and ended up on a disastrous project that was way behind schedule. They insisted we shift to a 60-hour week (with no extra pay), working 12-hour days plus Saturday mornings. Needless to say, I resigned.
(DIR) Post #AJ6g4mgXpoTwC2sbMe by mattonthehill@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T11:12:23Z
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@kev I briefly worked at a games company who had never done "crunch" before, and ended up on a disastrous project that was way behind schedule. They insisted we shift to a 60-hour week (with no extra pay), just before Christmas. Needless to say, I resigned.In my exit interview, the CTO tried to convince me it was a *privilege* to work through crunch periods, and a bonus of working for a games company.
(DIR) Post #AJ6gUFjIz7u7VrJbO4 by MurrayWindripper@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T11:16:59Z
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@kevI now realise where I went wrong during my time in the Navy.I should have spent my spare time sinking ships and killing people.Instead I spent precious weekends and leave with my family... what a loser.
(DIR) Post #AJ6hoqyGKfg2lChMAq by ReisAgainst@cybre.space
2022-05-04T11:31:53Z
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@ReisAgainst @kev What really gets me is "make small games". What are you supposed to make small games ABOUT?! You're not reading books, you're not going on walks, you're not playing a sport. What experience are you going to share and how are you conveying experiences if you don't make time to have them?
(DIR) Post #AJ6hrFymK5cgtx5NAG by ReisAgainst@cybre.space
2022-05-04T11:32:22Z
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@kev What really gets me is "make small games". What are you supposed to make small games ABOUT?! You're not reading books, you're not going on walks, you're not playing a sport. What experience are you going to share and how are you conveying experiences if you don't make time to have them?
(DIR) Post #AJ6iD6hxTSHmWAdZZI by tattooed_mummy@mastodon.online
2022-05-04T11:36:16Z
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@kev I'm now just thinking about this in other industries..."How often do you sell apples at home?" "How often do you intubate people at home?" "How often do you plaster ceilings at home?"
(DIR) Post #AJ6jmnBncaWcMRAurg by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T11:53:57Z
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@muio I'm not really familiar with Blizzard. Other than the fact they make Warcraft (I think?).
(DIR) Post #AJ6jnDf7CDQKSt5hAW by verbumfeit@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T11:53:58Z
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@kev You are notpassionate enough to be burnt out by us, try harder.
(DIR) Post #AJ6jnmve4kRVqI5tIG by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T11:54:08Z
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@chandlerpeachy ditto.
(DIR) Post #AJ6k0d8xlg45G6RlZ2 by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T11:56:27Z
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@jomo @lubiana I have no idea. Maybe he got flack for the original tweet and reworded to the thread you linked?The person allegedly saying it is less important though. The fact remains that this is the attitude of many people in tech.
(DIR) Post #AJ6kFnpKKWU2jhUs6K by algernon@trunk.mad-scientist.club
2022-05-04T11:59:09Z
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@kev I wonder if they'd be upset if their dentist didn't practice at home, drilling teeth every day to maintain their passion for their craft. Or perhaps they want firemen putting out fires at home too, to maintain their passion? What if there's no fire? Should they start one?:flan_facepalm:
(DIR) Post #AJ6kLnuquZwIkYwXMO by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T12:00:15Z
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@jomo @lubiana nah, it's legit:https://nitter.net/BlizzardFitch/status/1276396751516168192#m
(DIR) Post #AJ6kiW7zDJ3QF1uuJM by dajbelshaw@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T12:04:21Z
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@kev Capitalists being capitalists.
(DIR) Post #AJ6o0ycmInXfhHoUAy by kaoliva@mastodon.online
2022-05-04T12:41:13Z
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@kev I'm with you there, 105%! I am very passionate about my job the moment I work. Only when I work. Just then.In my free time I use a computer sometimes to watch some flix or listen to some music when I don't have it on CD (yeah I'm that old). Or for Mastodon, more space than on the phone's screen 😉. That's basically it.Life is life and work is work. You can be darn good at work without wasting all your life. 😃
(DIR) Post #AJ6oiLYqtr9tHneosq by fluffy@plush.city
2022-05-04T12:49:10Z
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@kev @PsyChuan also at so many tech jobs if you do it on your spare time the company lays claim to it so this attitude has layers of shittiness when it comes to insisting people work for free
(DIR) Post #AJ6p0kSb437JioVR2m by wook@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T12:52:30Z
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@kev .. respond with: great question, does your employment agreement allow side projects?
(DIR) Post #AJ6rTGZzRHcXM2grOC by wholesomedonut@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T13:20:00Z
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@kev this man hasn’t touched grass or felt the warmth of a human embrace in 30 years
(DIR) Post #AJ6tIOO8GXjQIP5Qh6 by biscuitsofdeath@mastodon.online
2022-05-04T13:40:23Z
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@kev ahh. Game development. The industry known for their work life balance. That guy shouldn't be hiring anyone. Keep him in the dungeon and don't let him around the people who enjoy life.
(DIR) Post #AJ6uRDkHIxV9qeDcKu by Caffetino@mastodon.social
2022-05-04T13:53:18Z
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@kev Same in scientific research. Every.Waking.Hour is needed, as if people don't have families or hobbies/lives outside. It's toxic.
(DIR) Post #AJ6uzu5YNe0p1Ehxzc by Stammtischphilosoph@chaos.social
2022-05-04T13:59:34Z
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@kev So there are developers so desperate they go to an interview at *Activision Blizzard*?
(DIR) Post #AJ6vG828Il1WtwqRKS by JSSchlegel@social.tchncs.de
2022-05-04T14:02:30Z
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@kev Honestly I too tend to ask this question in job interviews. Not because I expect it but because many devs actually have some private projects and love talking about it.
(DIR) Post #AJ6ySWiGfXAkmV9lfk by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T14:38:21Z
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@JSSchlegel that's absolutely find; I do too. But if the candidate says "ummm I don't have time for projects anymore because of xyz" that wouldn't weaken their position with me.
(DIR) Post #AJ70k8Rrp2yYeB0e4u by silverhax@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T15:03:56Z
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@kev I am a parent, so mostly I'm programming in scratch, game builder garage, and super mario maker 2 these days, with some mindstorms and marble machines here and there. I'm trying to share my trade so my kid has a good livelihood.I think it's a good question for culture fit.
(DIR) Post #AJ72ehga67a66XQh5U by DillonFlohr@mastodon.social
2022-05-04T15:25:21Z
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@kev no surprise Blizzard is in the state it is in
(DIR) Post #AJ72xn6iAIOuQ9klYe by deyii@mastodon.social
2022-05-04T15:28:50Z
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@kev Yep Yep
(DIR) Post #AJ7304XALOLF32DNrs by pixelcode@social.tchncs.de
2022-05-04T15:29:14Z
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@kev I would love to code every day but my schedule simply does not allow this. 🤷
(DIR) Post #AJ73iTEDtLyQNVWd3Q by tuatarara@mastodon.art
2022-05-04T15:37:15Z
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@kev Well, I would say there are plenty other things wrong with the tech industry and the general culture in tech, but this certainly makes the list. Let's not even talk about companies. It starts even in school, where there's a certain prestige attached to being that sort of hardcore programmer type who uses VIM/Emacs and is actively working on FOSS stuff and "passion" projects and attends hackathons and speaks at tech conferences and is usually a dude, even before you graduate.
(DIR) Post #AJ73yDOwVKTDvO2yGW by Longplay_Games@mastodon.social
2022-05-04T15:40:06Z
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@kev I've asked this in interviews for 25 years: "Do you drop your shipment at the first sign of imperial cruisers?"And if they say yes, I shoot them.
(DIR) Post #AJ75Klq9F4w93l5iRU by Mundon@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T15:55:21Z
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@kev I agree entirely. Work is work. Outside of that is my life. I'm allowed to have other passions than my job.
(DIR) Post #AJ79R6Szrj58aOXO8u by revfry@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-04T16:41:21Z
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@kev Yeah, this guy is an idiot. And probably one of the reasons everyone has soured on Blizzard. What an ass.
(DIR) Post #AJ79WqNIbk3MPobrge by revfry@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-04T16:42:24Z
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@kev It's interesting that you can work at Blizzard for 30 years and still clearly not be an experienced dev.
(DIR) Post #AJ7CCPL5iQZQdXWXsu by deadtom@mastodon.social
2022-05-04T17:12:17Z
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@kev I lived this way for about seven years, while working in IT for a large bank. At the time, I thought the pay justified the near complete lack of a non-work life.When the recession came along, myself and more than half the IT department were shit-canned, outright fired under a new policy specially implemented for downsizing.I now work in the non-profit sector, for dramatically less pay, but I love my job, and I'm much happier in general.Fuck corporate culture.
(DIR) Post #AJ7G8nKGzUy9glfqEa by xinit@mastodon.online
2022-05-04T17:56:27Z
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@kev so, during pre-release crunch time at Blizzard, after 18 hour pushes, they expect their people to go home to work on their passion project code? Gross.
(DIR) Post #AJ7HTRh8i5qqdVmSGW by chrism@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T18:11:25Z
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@kev Couldn't agree more. I have a software development job for writing software. If 8 - 10 hours a day of programming isn't enough for me, then maybe I have a problem.And sorry for the boost/unboost noise. I forgot what that button was for.
(DIR) Post #AJ7QU1cI3LhVdJrapk by mackaj@mastodon.social
2022-05-04T19:52:23Z
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@kev I ventured onto the birdsite to find the thread. Looks like he got a similar reaction to here and has since deleted the tweet.
(DIR) Post #AJ7SZNFDGiaK4CkPJo by TunnelJanitor@sfba.social
2022-05-04T20:15:44Z
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@kev I was going to say one thing, and then I realized it’s the gaming industry. I’ve worked in many verticals and many startups. The gaming industry is singularly unique in terms of the expectations. There were also huge rewards in that space, but it is brutal. If the entire tech industry were like the gaming industry in this regard, the economy would probably collapse.
(DIR) Post #AJ7T2JEXGC0S1cECKe by meejah@mastodon.social
2022-05-04T20:20:57Z
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@kev The correct comeback for such a shitty interview question is, "how many hours per month do I get paid to work on personal projects?" and if the answer is "zero": wrong! ;)
(DIR) Post #AJ7WjiY9JHkkrBnC3E by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2022-05-04T21:02:29.695329Z
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@kev Honestly, video game jobs are mostly Z-tier jobs. Everyone wants to make video games, so there's a massive supply of workers and a tiny demand for them relatively speaking, so working conditions are bad, pay is bad, and if you don't like it there's 200 people sleeping in line to replace you. Best of all, you'll probably spend 15 years doing mouse AI for one scene where the player is in a dump and mice are decorations.A lesson I intend to pound into my son's head is that the meaning of life doesn't come from your job. I intend to teach him economics early, so he realizes he should be looking for opportunities with little supply and high demand so he can have the resources to go out and live the life he wants to live without using all his free time sucking up to some corporate overlord to let him have just a speck of self-actualization.
(DIR) Post #AJ7XD2btnwybTHWrIW by matias@oslo.town
2022-05-04T21:07:43Z
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@kevOh gatekeepers 🙄 always so charming.
(DIR) Post #AJ7YZbfOFM4GWOUB9M by Gina@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T21:22:56Z
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@kev can you imagine this in other industries.. "What you don't remodel your house every weekend? Do you not have a passion for carpentry?"
(DIR) Post #AJ7YiJtvfSYY1rRPma by pyre35@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T21:24:34Z
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@kev ugh, this attitude again. Same with the V guy. The world literally is kept in motion by people that just punch a clock. For every person that thinks like this, there are 999 that are incredibly good at their job but never touch it outside of work.
(DIR) Post #AJ7Z6jyCObZ1pX5CdM by xahteiwi@mastodon.social
2022-05-04T21:29:02Z
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@Gina @kev The mining industry would be interesting too. Or demolition.
(DIR) Post #AJ7aHgxY1rWxdIZ34K by BobCollins@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T21:42:11Z
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@kev Two thoughts:1) The poster is addressing unmarried geeks under 25, because they don't want anyone else.2) The poster is from a game company, because ditto.
(DIR) Post #AJ7cKvUwdB9lV6r6Fk by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T22:05:11Z
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@xahteiwi How would demolition be interesting? I can see where they'd fully expect you to demolish a house or two in your free time on evenings or weekends. Doesn't everybody do that anyway? I know @Gina does it regularly just for fun!@kev
(DIR) Post #AJ7cUPOCrh96oUE1Nw by ice@koyu.space
2022-05-04T22:06:54Z
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@kev couldn't agree more. If you have a job related hobby, good for you but don't expect me to work, go home and.....work
(DIR) Post #AJ7dQVGz9FcBrAY7DE by bloodaxe@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T22:17:25Z
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@kev Wow, that's some elitist crap if I've ever read any... Just bad stuff from Mr.Fitch there.
(DIR) Post #AJ7ddvN7QMsgZ7olHc by HiroProtagonist@noagendasocial.com
2022-05-04T22:19:52Z
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@kev ❤️
(DIR) Post #AJ7dgaAkhS1rgYIiPo by lain@lain.com
2022-05-04T22:20:18.051234Z
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@kev don't work at blizzard, simple as
(DIR) Post #AJ7dwbY9LXlgafsvFQ by Arwalk@noagendasocial.com
2022-05-04T22:23:12Z
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@kev As much as myself enjoy doing some stuff at home, i find this attitude insane. Programming and software engineering can be _just_ a job. I knew very competent developpers who would barely touch a computer outside of work.
(DIR) Post #AJ7eIxBNb55i3PtJBI by muio@social.sakamoto.gq
2022-05-04T22:27:15.846327Z
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@kev Correct. They've also made other franchises such as Overwatch, Starcraft, and Diablo.Despite being successful, they are notorious for their awful work ethic and legal practices, case in point: https://wikiless.org/wiki/California_Department_of_Fair_Employment_and_Housing_v._Activision_Blizzardand https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2021/09/14/activision-blizzard-union-busting-nlrb/
(DIR) Post #AJ7fD9GTrXIrk94Zpg by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T22:37:22Z
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@kev This is where burnout comes from. Program all day at work. Program when you come home. If you have "passion", you're not going to have it for long. 5 years and you're going to throw your computer out the window if you make it that long.
(DIR) Post #AJ7fOvdmLJh0xnaUUq by basil@sarcasm.stream
2022-05-04T22:39:31Z
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@kev It does seem that he was called out and he backpedaled on this pretty darn fast.https://twitter.com/BlizzardFitch/status/1276270183464624128
(DIR) Post #AJ7gm72WEAMOvomJkG by rmgr@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T22:54:56Z
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@kev I mean I quite like programming and I usually have one or two weird programming projects on the go but every day? Jesus christ get a hobby.
(DIR) Post #AJ7h1ThYFmqPYlIWsC by jnm@appdot.net
2022-05-04T22:57:39Z
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@kev YAAAASSSSS @schmidt_fu
(DIR) Post #AJ7lWMqyAFO579ghe4 by reiver@mastodon.social
2022-05-04T23:48:07Z
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@kev Programming at home “everyday” seems like an unreasonable expectation.Especially if the candidate has kids.And even if the candidate didn't have kids.If the interviewer is trying to figure out if candidate №1 likes programming, №2 is internally motivated, and №3 will learn on their own —The “everyday” part doesn't seem necessary.“Sometimes“, or “at certain times in your life” seems more reasonable, if they are trying to filter in this way.
(DIR) Post #AJ7lwsGdzRAO4ZKuGm by techaddressed@fosstodon.org
2022-05-04T23:52:54Z
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@kev I wonder if Blizzard's employment contact gives them rights over anything their employees create at home?
(DIR) Post #AJ7naN7hIqCV1AY7Vo by anathema@tech.lgbt
2022-05-05T00:11:13Z
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@kev they're just high key gauging how much time you actually have for them to extract from you.If you have 15 hours a week for your own projects that's 15 more hours they can get out of you once they hire you.🤪
(DIR) Post #AJ7ni89QquOEtq3nUm by enot@hackers.town
2022-05-05T00:12:37Z
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@kev ya f* this dude
(DIR) Post #AJ7qcYzeRMgaH4WRtY by 5uie1@fosstodon.org
2022-05-05T00:45:16Z
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@kev Rather sad that all nuance (if the poster had any) is lost in the character limit. Not everyone “needs” to be passionate and not everyone can “afford” to be passionate. A choice (afforded by the privileges of circumstances/locus and then acted upon) such as this should never be used as a criterion to hire a person. ps: #irony that I’m responding within this word limit.
(DIR) Post #AJ7yScw5j67dEud8Gu by carcinopithecus@x0r.be
2022-05-05T02:13:03Z
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@kev passionate, in the religious sense of the passions, in the sense of things the devil uses as a temptation to consume one's soul
(DIR) Post #AJ88aukcNEjILkr0Yi by niclas@angrytoday.com
2022-05-05T04:06:37Z
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@kev The essence of the question is; "If you don't have to program to earn an income, what would you do instead?" and if the answer is "programming something", then that is what he is looking for.I used to do the same, except looking for something "creative" (as in creating things, which could be art, mechanical, video, software, ...)But everyone are different, and with different priorities, so better to find this out in interview rather than weeks later.
(DIR) Post #AJ88nmbfxtjar6o8PY by niclas@angrytoday.com
2022-05-05T04:08:57Z
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@kev It is actually much worse with the companies (such as WallSt banks) that speak of "Work/Life Balance", heralding the importance of exercise and family life, yet expects many to work themselves brain dead on tasks that make no sense and doesn't further one's skill set.
(DIR) Post #AJ89NXoQRoEfOep7a4 by nativebreed@fosstodon.org
2022-05-05T04:15:26Z
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@mike @kev The question I always ask a developer in an interview is to tell me what they have developed outside "work". Good developers always have something.Is this a bad question or expectation?
(DIR) Post #AJ8D0kWpP1jHzWyjCa by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-05T04:56:06Z
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@Gina except you do! 😂
(DIR) Post #AJ8L02hv7yl5iSLBpY by zariweya@mastodon.madrid
2022-05-05T06:25:38Z
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@kev - What do you program at home?- Mmm, the roomba, the washer and maybe other home appliances...
(DIR) Post #AJ8MFNTWIPLQQLTtb6 by aggsol@rollenspiel.social
2022-05-05T06:39:36Z
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@kevI wonder if he codes at home during crunch time or during vacation or when he got the flu... If coding was my passion and life blood I would run my own company and not get burnt out in the games industry...
(DIR) Post #AJ8OY8pBBsmOOcgfgW by underlap@fosstodon.org
2022-05-05T07:05:26Z
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@kev Agreed. I worked 37 hours a week for decades, with no time for side projects because I have a wife and children. I always made this clear to a new manager. Never seemed to get in the way of promotions, interesting work, etc. I think you need to rest to be productive.
(DIR) Post #AJ8PZr52EaU1teU6nQ by vaartis@pl.kotobank.ch
2022-05-05T07:15:40.252818Z
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@lain @kev it's really that simple, people like that can fuck off, there's no wrong answer to this question, it's a personal question on a job interview
(DIR) Post #AJ8QpUafiaaejXIpou by Nujtag@fosstodon.org
2022-05-05T07:30:57Z
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@kev @Gina hahaha! :blobcatsweat:
(DIR) Post #AJ8TLqmCxxp6iXFvfM by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-05-05T07:59:13Z
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@underlap same here. The first conversation I always have is around my commitment to work:life balance.Hasn’t been a problem so far, but that’s down to culture. I think I’m lucky that were I work has a great culture.
(DIR) Post #AJ8VcSn1bMYl9eggIi by underlap@fosstodon.org
2022-05-05T08:24:39Z
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@kev Same here. The culture in IBM and VMware was at least officially in favour of work-life balance. Surprisingly, the same was true of the start-up Interface21 (later called SpringSource) when I joined it. The phrases "family first" and "sustainable pace" helped to justify the approach.
(DIR) Post #AJ8o8Z7nNkGzFBrNDM by istina@pieville.net
2022-05-05T11:52:10Z
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@kev No different than Elon Musk's hiring practices at Tesla. I just want people who are innovators so I can steal their ideas. Reminds me of productivity salesmen who used to write with chalk on the floor of their factories that a rival company was producing X product more than them to get them to work harder, both positive and negative emotions like shaming can motivate. Problem is where is the incentive for the worker.
(DIR) Post #AJ8t0sDB28L9tXWpHc by disser@mastodon.social
2022-05-05T12:46:46Z
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@kev I'm learning a lot from this thread, but it is making me feel weird that I would be excited to answer this question.
(DIR) Post #AJ99GFjHTXsQRbts1o by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-05-05T15:48:49Z
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@nativebreed Depends on what you do with it I guess. If an applicant told you that they don't develop at home because that's their time to spend with their family, do you consider that a negative? If so, yes, that's a bad expectation.@kev
(DIR) Post #AJAFnuiiUAwRhsuTIm by muio@social.sakamoto.gq
2022-05-06T04:10:45.823273Z
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@kev https://youtube.com/watch?v=2TSB5YQqDiY
(DIR) Post #AJBNBZMGSGEnEyawSm by losttourist@oldbytes.space
2022-05-06T17:34:15Z
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@kev I bet that person also posts tweets saying "we'd love to have a more diverse workplace but for some strange reason we mostly only get applications from young single men".Or probably not - he's unlikely to be that self-aware that diversity even crops up on his radar.