Post AJ1LdJv1i4msHdTrHc by sim@shitposter.club
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(DIR) Post #AJ1AxLdZvmONuRfP1s by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:30:09.632213Z
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One thing that I would like to figure out is how to become good and noble in character.
(DIR) Post #AJ1B8tVAMf687hEnK4 by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:32:15.809419Z
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And how do we practice this in our daily modern lives? We don't live in times suited to this.
(DIR) Post #AJ1BezF0Yqb1BqyzQ0 by asa@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:35:20.183095Z
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@sim first you need indepence and isolation and then build a network of people carefully chosen imo
(DIR) Post #AJ1Bf00ViEarZBCvSa by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:38:03.215457Z
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@asa So you think it depends on the company that you keep around you or that are just around you? I could see that, it's hard for people to feel judged when they see someone who is good and noble, and there are others who may take advantage too.
(DIR) Post #AJ1C8nl9oUMUGiEl60 by speedlimit@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:41:21.899724Z
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@sim @asa Set up core values. "Be in accordance with nature". Make decisions based on those values while in accordance with nature. Know your place in this world and know that every other man has the same innate faults you do so don't expect much from other people. To start.
(DIR) Post #AJ1Cae8ZBOe6X8SpDE by asa@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:41:26.834490Z
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@sim I mean it emanates from you if you are capable of it, but in order for the good to win you need to distance yourself from the people that are broken otherwise there is zero chance, they will bring you down.
(DIR) Post #AJ1Caeij0xZMLHNhZY by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:48:28.099578Z
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@asa Yeah, I think that is where the uphill battle would be. When other people around you want to bring you down or when this is done through the system as we are seeing now.
(DIR) Post #AJ1CxOvDv1Me0M4aoK by speedlimit@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:44:20.160422Z
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@sim @asa I don't have the language or elegance to even way in so just be prepared to lose all that you love and always remember death is going to happen.
(DIR) Post #AJ1CxQLUcpyIQ7N5Oa by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:52:17.173308Z
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@speedlimit @asa It's all right if you don't have the language. Do you mean be prepared in general for those things? I do like what you said about setting up core values and being in accordance with nature. Knowing yourself and your place in the world is important too and being aware that man is fallible.
(DIR) Post #AJ1DBig1GepvKLmzOi by asa@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:50:43.997933Z
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@sim if you behave in good faith and show noble character you will find that those around you deeply despise you for it, this is a lesson I learned, they'd rather have you stab them to death and dance on their corpse than show you can win where they lost.
(DIR) Post #AJ1DBjIewzkFGBrqcq by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:55:09.965434Z
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@asa I don't really understand where this despising of good faith and nobleness comes from. Except that it is hard for them to feel judged, or they are broken and do not trust it when they see it in people so lash out.
(DIR) Post #AJ1Ddee7qYRgw2DvuK by speedlimit@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:58:22.448652Z
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@simGood book. Like and encyclopedia of stoicism. It covers more than ancient times.
(DIR) Post #AJ1DwfNZLUk8i6XrHs by speedlimit@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:56:53.344157Z
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@simAlso 101 stoicism teaching is knowing what you have control over and changing your opinions about the things you can't control so you aren't out of accordance with nature or something
(DIR) Post #AJ1Dwg6wcn2Uypm60u by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T20:03:33.338989Z
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@speedlimit Thanks for the extra detail about it. I think I should also read what Epectitus said on the topic when looking into this further.
(DIR) Post #AJ1EYOby8V3Ri6Gsy0 by asa@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T19:59:21.768501Z
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@sim It's pure envy, feelings of inferiority coupled with inability to blame themselves ends in projecting it onto others, your existence is offensive to them because it proves that the false narrative they have built where they are victims and not to blame, is false.I hope my English makes sense, It's not my main language.
(DIR) Post #AJ1EYPppaRjlVNlTDE by asa@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T20:02:00.431309Z
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@sim so for example think of a guetto person that ends up doing drugs and being in a gang, a broken life.He sees someone who came from the same situation as him, same guetto, same broken families, etc. but that person became a respectable man/woman, the existence of that person proves that the first is just inferior in some way, the situation is not to blame but himself not being good enough.
(DIR) Post #AJ1EYRc4yXvR1JLW3U by asa@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T20:03:09.488933Z
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@sim if that second person didnt exist, then the victim narrative could be upheld.sry for the rant lol
(DIR) Post #AJ1EYWpNaWXFC0bhyq by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T20:10:23.714625Z
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@asa No problem! Your English is okay. The rant helped me to better understand what you meant with the example. The desire for a victim narrative is very strong for people, isn't it? They'd rather blame an external source like the situation than their own mindset/attitude and the actions they took in their reaction to their situation. It must be difficult to live in a ghetto, wanting to pull yourself up from it but that is frowned upon.
(DIR) Post #AJ1EyTBdkPmrQhOBvM by speedlimit@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T20:05:59.751268Z
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@sim @asa Just know that you wouldn't be fatally devastated if you were God forbid put out on the street and lose all your possessions for example. If you can always keep the knowledge that thus may happen you will have the tools to keep going if it or something like it did happen. As for death momento mori. That is just keeping in mind the inevitability of death. And to talk of nobility I can't really because as nietzsche said God is dead and what must rise from the aftermath is the superman who creates his own morals and values and is satisfied in doing so.
(DIR) Post #AJ1EyTtF8IfJbvn0t6 by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T20:15:09.112863Z
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@speedlimit @asa So you just have to think about the possibility and that will give you the tools should it happen so it doesn't devastate? Interesting perspective. I have some books from nietzsche so those should be an interesting read at some point too.
(DIR) Post #AJ1GXBtE9JN3sDtfJg by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2022-05-01T20:32:40.857650Z
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@sim @asa Same thing happens with a lot of people regardless of upbringing and it's pretty sad. The "black sheep" of the family is sometimes that way because they project their own insecurities as hostility against everyone else. Not always, but often enough to be worth mentioning.
(DIR) Post #AJ1IKnSZLxn2XSe5VA by skells@qoto.org
2022-05-01T20:52:50Z
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@sim @asa check out the Cyropaedia "Education of Cyrus" by Xenophon
(DIR) Post #AJ1K5C980AjuNSExo8 by speedlimit@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T20:25:57.439715Z
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@sim @asa I've said too much I'm probably confusing you. Just read Marcus Arellius. He's imo the most famous stoic. I'll leave you with this. Some native American tribes belief that when you have a vision you have to act it out in real life. So see a path to sagehood and act it out everyday.
(DIR) Post #AJ1K5DAEDZDJX9lMA4 by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T21:12:24.684750Z
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@speedlimit @asa Okay. I'll continue to read his meditation. Thanks for the info.
(DIR) Post #AJ1L4yuNJuFfH5nmBk by asa@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T20:44:01.636866Z
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@BowsacNoodle @sim yea its like the main thing holding people down, I see it everywhere, even people that most would consider very succesful or very good at something, they suddenly hit you with the victim mentality stuff about how X person had it better and they were unlucky so theres nothing they can do.I mean I get it life aint fair, but It's just a loser mentality.I think a lot of it comes from people trusting in things that they shouldnt, for example "If I get a degree I'll have a good job", then it doesnt happen, they are dissappointed and blame someone or something external to themselves, but are they at fault? maybe they should have seen the truth but chose not to because It was easier to believe the lie. I don't know, It's complicated, but I know I never ever wanna be like that, as unlucky as life gets.
(DIR) Post #AJ1L4zZqphQdLjCtpw by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T21:23:35.576044Z
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@asa @BowsacNoodle Yeah, perhaps it is worth keeping in mind that everyone ends up down on their luck or has to deal with disappointment at some point in their life? It's not unique either to fall for things like you mentioned or with lies. Perhaps it can help to know that, especially if you are comparing your situation with others or likely to fall into a victim mentality. On saying that, sometimes it helps to process the situation by acknowledging that these things have happened. The problem begins when you make that your identity or when you let it destroy your self-confidence. At some point, the majority of us will fall victim to a situation. But we don't need to remain there, we don't need to let it define us. We don't need to bring others down to this level just because we are. It doesn't even have to destroy our confidence because we can regain that. These things have a season as the saying goes. We are not a victim forever. There is so much more to us than this.
(DIR) Post #AJ1LdJv1i4msHdTrHc by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T21:29:48.777502Z
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@skells @asa Thanks for the suggestion. Would this be useful for me now? Does it just explain the education he got or does it do more?
(DIR) Post #AJ1LlVVkUgPcYLYqPY by skells@qoto.org
2022-05-01T21:31:17Z
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@sim @asa it's a mythologised narrative of arguably one of the greatest and most noble human beings who ever lived, i'd say it's worth a crack
(DIR) Post #AJ1MNhVcKnKalfiAy0 by asa@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T21:29:15.316399Z
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@sim @BowsacNoodle yep, gotta take the downs as opportunities to grow, we all go through downs and ups, its all about accepting it and doing your best, I always believed in some kind of higher power so thats what keeps me focused on the big one, I imagine if one lacks a God then its easy to stay down forever.
(DIR) Post #AJ1MNi8G18EuhVn2C8 by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T21:38:11.262133Z
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@asa @BowsacNoodle Strangely, the opposite helped me. Letting go of my own spiritual crisis and all the spiritual aspects to it has allowed me to have the distance, the growth and time that I needed from it. But finding out how to have good examples in my life has been difficult. Knowing what to replace that with. I don't have the concept of God to lean on, so instead I have to find more worldly things to keep me going like family/friends, values, hobbies and even leaning on my own strength. Now I am at a point in my life that I can dive back into these topics and try to understand them better without the problems I had before.
(DIR) Post #AJ1MXNc5A30nxTLoLQ by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T21:39:56.765587Z
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@skells @asa Oh, that sounds interesting. I think I will give it a crack and read it. I'm interested in reading about noble characters and what makes them noble.
(DIR) Post #AJ1MxH6jyGCNJL2SSe by skells@qoto.org
2022-05-01T21:44:35Z
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@sim @asa Plutarch's Parallel Lives are also fantastic.
(DIR) Post #AJ1OIn02gzWAG1jDuK by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-01T21:59:42.673711Z
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@skells @asa Thanks for this suggestion too. I have even more to read up on now... not helping my book backlog! Haha.
(DIR) Post #AJ1Zg4YKhBlUqz4XgW by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2022-05-02T00:07:10.910849Z
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@sim @asa I've been there my friend. Took an existential crisis detour out of faith and into various elements of humanism before coming to where I am today (Eastern Christianity). It's a totally different frame work that I wouldn't have been capable of appreciating if I hadn't abandoned my old one, so I guess it worked out pretty darn well. I don't say to be dismissive or belittle your experience either, but I can relate to the "relearning things" without old paradigms.
(DIR) Post #AJ1a9YXUHnFqFijg9o by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-02T00:12:30.521214Z
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@BowsacNoodle @asa No worries. I'm glad that abandoning your old framework has worked out for you. While I'm not religious, I do think there is much to gain from learning from our elder ancestors, learning about what has been passed down to us. I think my own detour has enabled me to appreciate tradition and the beauty within western faith better without the baggage of the past.
(DIR) Post #AJ28RUxRjk1gncbZ9k by skells@qoto.org
2022-05-02T06:36:42Z
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@sim @asa tell me about it haha
(DIR) Post #AJ2hTdnfKTXhCKmri4 by sim@shitposter.club
2022-05-02T13:09:17.075255Z
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@skells Still the best feeling though, having so much to read up on. I'll never get through it in a lifetime.