Post AIuQFOISv7fSZm8KeW by marcolas@oldbytes.space
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(DIR) Post #AItmHdJa3geLZAAYwy by amolith@mk.nixnet.social
2022-04-28T05:50:42.750Z
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mastodon user: welcome to Mastadon!pleroma user: I'm not on Mastodon but thanks!mu: … whotpu: I'm on Pleromamu: what's thatpu: another piece of software like Mastodon that's part of fedimu: what's fedi?pu: short for the fediversemu: the fediwhatnow?pu: uhh … the thing we're talking overmu: but this is The Mastadon™ Network®pu: … you're interacting with the fediverse through Mastodon while in I'm interacting with the fediverse though something called Pleromamu: you mean there are more options?pu: yepmu: and they interoperate?pu: for the most part, yesmu: why doesn't anyone make that clearer?pu: we try to mu: I mean why are the alternatives not mentioned on Mastodon's homepage? Open software projects usually list some alternative options somewhere on their website in case this one doesn't work well for youpu: yes but branding and marketshare and money :nkothinksmart:mu: I thought Mastodon wasn't supposed to be like that :blobfoxsipglare:pu: welcome to Mastadon :akko_shrug:
(DIR) Post #AItmSttWku8wAmM7t2 by June@hackers.town
2022-04-28T05:52:08Z
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@amolith i honestly dont like it that mainstream media has called the fediverse "mastodon".it's like calling matrix, "synapse". or calling it "conduit" because you run conduit.
(DIR) Post #AItmgIE7bHmvP0NIDg by thor@berserker.town
2022-04-28T05:55:10Z
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@amolith @Gargron ^^^
(DIR) Post #AItmspeZ9BcYY1isoS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2022-04-28T05:57:25.206857Z
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@amolith Horribly feels like GMail stuff to be honest…
(DIR) Post #AItmuNM7KNuBMbpVNw by captainepoch@stereophonic.space
2022-04-28T05:57:43.346595Z
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@amolith mastodong*
(DIR) Post #AItnEdPPLupYwX1rtI by MaleGoddess@poa.st
2022-04-28T06:01:24.098870Z
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@amolith @amolith just call them all niggers
(DIR) Post #AItnuCUpnpNbdcO5cu by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-04-28T06:08:37Z
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@amolith Mastadon xD
(DIR) Post #AItnv7NiIyYI42UhwO by amolith@mk.nixnet.social
2022-04-28T06:09:02.566Z
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@selea@social.linux.pizza I see that so often :akko_badday:
(DIR) Post #AItu3iqfUFdaJ8WWem by thatonecalculator@stop.voring.me
2022-04-28T07:14:21.454Z
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@amolith@mk.nixnet.social :misskey:: emoji reacts with a :amongusthumbsdown::mastodon:: *thinks :misskey: agreed*
(DIR) Post #AItvMZ0CQ3IvE5WuLw by floppy@fosstodon.org
2022-04-28T06:51:33Z
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@June I wondered too and the answer I settled on was that the Fediverse is too unfamiliar (abstract?) as a concept to grasp for the uninitiated. Names for brands are easy.@amolith On point!The good thing is though that people are not vendor-locked-in me thinks. So I wouldn't lift this unfortunate situation to the same level of badness as the platform moderated by Big Tech. When people don't like Mastodon or their instance, they can move and still have access.
(DIR) Post #AItvW4BZqhNYXwNoMS by foxhkron@cybre.club
2022-04-28T07:33:24.522Z
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@amolith@mk.nixnet.social This is why I said that Mastodon talks about the fediverse all the time without ever using the term 'fediverse', it's infuriatingMastodon is the Gmail of the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AItvxnHiHQgeElTU5A by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-04-28T07:38:48Z
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@foxhkron mastodon is the Exchange of the fediverse - mastodon.social is the microsoft 365 :P@amolith
(DIR) Post #AItwurADV8aRLy8CoK by floppy@fosstodon.org
2022-04-28T07:48:21Z
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@roboneko Yes that's true! But exactly this equivalence you're pointing out is what I think people are unfamiliar with. "Look at email for example" is one of the first things that people (me too) say when they introduce the Fediverse, because it seems that this step is needed in most cases to help people understand.@June @amolith
(DIR) Post #AItx1cc208nYFZMppw by floppy@fosstodon.org
2022-04-28T07:49:38Z
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@roboneko Taking the email analogy back to the earlier conversation, software running on instances (like Mastodon, Pleroma, and so on) could be compared to email clients. But afaik not everybody cares about their choices of email clients. Some people are happy with the default web interface of their provider and do not want more tech talk. A one-size-fit-all introduction to the Fediverse might become tricky at that point.@June @amolith
(DIR) Post #AItxRUy92dYW4e38zo by floppy@fosstodon.org
2022-04-28T07:52:17Z
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@roboneko @June @amolith But I agree, when introducing "the alternative to Twitter" these days at least it should be pointed out that there are alternative ways to connect to the network, just like there are different ways to connecting to one's email inbox.
(DIR) Post #AIu4QIXiSKhyvM3wIK by Jain@blob.cat
2022-04-28T09:13:58.239333Z
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@amolith :blobcatgiggle2:
(DIR) Post #AIu6Bc9dSSobJSvPma by floppy@fosstodon.org
2022-04-28T09:32:30Z
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@roboneko > It's all just email, people keep reinventing email. This, so much. I'm not sure whether such a project exists, but I'm really waiting to see an ActivityPub instance as SaaS that uses an email account as storage backend.@June @amolith
(DIR) Post #AIu6FTEsY01EowDTdY by floppy@fosstodon.org
2022-04-28T09:29:24Z
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@roboneko I was thinking about the backend software of instances first too when thinking about how that translates in the email analogy. But then I thought that that for the end user who is new to the Fediverse, this does not matter that much, at least initially less than the frontends. I was counting proprietary web-interfaces (web apps) of email providers as clients to, because they seem to be so commonly used now. Sorry if that was misleading.@June @amolith
(DIR) Post #AIu8apSzIi4rkQ7zo8 by wholemilk@social.linux.pizza
2022-04-28T09:57:07Z
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@roboneko @floppy @June @amolith TBH how email works is too abstract for most people to understand.
(DIR) Post #AIuNkeqR96Fr0sEzce by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-04-28T12:50:30.975Z
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@amolith@mk.nixnet.social mu: I mean why are the alternyatives not mentioned on Mastodon's homepage? Open software projects usually list some alternyative options somewhere on their website in case this one doesn't work well for youI just checked and both Pleroma and Misskey do mention Mastodon on their homepage but not the other way around. Damn son.
(DIR) Post #AIuPEXjKGKclaZjFyq by Johann150@genau.qwertqwefsday.eu
2022-04-28T13:04:06.981Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @amolith@mk.nixnet.social has someone tried to "enlighten" the mastodon devs yet? the joinmastodon page is probably open source right?
(DIR) Post #AIuPEYRHctmnmuIMUq by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-04-28T13:07:07.000Z
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@Johann150@genau.qwertqwefsday.eu @amolith@mk.nixnet.social Yes it is actually. https://github.com/mastodon/joinmastodonCan anyone that has a Github account (so not me) create an issue or pull request saying that the other fedi software mention Mastodon and that they should mention other fedi software too.
(DIR) Post #AIuPLlXnIhasSXmNCi by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-04-28T13:08:28.577194Z
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@SuperDicq @amolith @Johann150 lmao
(DIR) Post #AIuQ5yyRhWFHQrHc0W by cats-shadow@hub.cats-home.net
2022-04-28T07:19:48Z
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@Amolith :comfyshiba: hubzilla user: //takes another basket of popcorn :)
(DIR) Post #AIuQFOISv7fSZm8KeW by marcolas@oldbytes.space
2022-04-28T05:59:38Z
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@amolith ah, you got me and my ilk hooked like a fish here. Mostly. Is there a recommended less-hook, more-meat resource to start on for this kind of learning? 🦣
(DIR) Post #AIuQFP65wbMn3hLy0e by humanetech@mastodon.social
2022-04-28T08:07:32Z
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@marcolas @amolith There's a ton of dispersed information to be found once you start searching (and noticing) for #Fediverse Don't have comprehensive lists of articles but watch your timelines for them, or follow some hashtags.There is the https://fediverse.party and https://joinfediverse.wiki providing more overview, and https://delightful.club has 3 curated lists related to fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AIuQGB7VOf11zyNls8 by petrichor@scholar.social
2022-04-28T08:10:00Z
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@June @amolith or indeed calling it "element" which i think is very much what the new vector marketing team would like everyone to do...
(DIR) Post #AIuQPjotkjTwDzEmhM by Ihazchaos@chaos.social
2022-04-28T08:03:46Z
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@amolith now I need some really good insights and oversights of fediverse, hit me with some directions and links.
(DIR) Post #AIuQPkYd0i3sVodIye by glowl@chaos.social
2022-04-28T08:37:13Z
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@Ihazchaoshttps://mastodon.social/@humanetech/108208668856034591@amolith
(DIR) Post #AIuQWajbvimQ4f23xg by Johann150@genau.qwertqwefsday.eu
2022-04-28T13:20:49.600Z
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@Moon@shitposter.club @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @amolith@mk.nixnet.social time to find out how much of a douchebag website boy is https://github.com/mastodon/joinmastodon/issues/175i mean it doesnt cost me much and probably annoys him so worth it to me :blobfoxgooglymlem:
(DIR) Post #AIuQXcZCbUTw2ueeci by amolith@mk.nixnet.social
2022-04-28T13:21:48.578Z
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@floppy@fosstodon.org @roboneko@bae.st @June@hackers.town that would be awesome :blobcatlul:
(DIR) Post #AIuQYTVpkkHMFoUDEO by oklomsy@social.linux.pizza
2022-04-28T09:54:44Z
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@amolith Very infuriating when Mastodon also lacks some features that others take for granted.
(DIR) Post #AIuQsbnie87pkgS7NI by amolith@mk.nixnet.social
2022-04-28T13:25:35.816Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo yep, @volpeon@mk.vulpes.one checked yesterday and posted the same comparison and that's kinda what inspired this. Mastodon is the only one that doesn't acknowledge its "competitors"
(DIR) Post #AIuR0GRTwPZfpGhZA0 by aety@mk.absturztau.be
2022-04-28T13:23:12.325Z
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@floppy@fosstodon.org @roboneko@bae.st @June@hackers.town @amolith@mk.nixnet.social
(DIR) Post #AIuR95EcylJHfntWZE by Orca@nya.one
2022-04-28T13:27:37.926Z
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@amolith@mk.nixnet.social Wait there's a misskey edition for NixNet?!🎉
(DIR) Post #AIuR95yiDQAnyjSKOm by amolith@mk.nixnet.social
2022-04-28T13:28:32.434Z
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@Orca@nya.one yis, I run both Pleroma and Misskey on nixnet.social and mk.nixnet.sociak respectively :ablobcatheadbang:
(DIR) Post #AIuSo3IFCdSpTigYWe by RSKYS@cawfee.club
2022-04-28T13:47:12.461059Z
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@Johann150 @amolith @Moon @SuperDicq Hahaha I don’t think he would be nice about it, but worths to see how it goes :blobbreadbreadbreadpeek:
(DIR) Post #AIuVrkwdfCxLan2NpA by gingermilk@pleroma.skyshanty.xyz
2022-04-28T14:21:29.015182Z
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@roboneko @floppy @June @amolith > equivalent to emailexactly. and people nowadays don't seem to know how email actually works.
(DIR) Post #AJ92UkTNGm3oAVQPmS by neko@rdrama.cc
2022-05-05T14:33:03.620204Z
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@amolith you will never be a gnu social
(DIR) Post #AJ92UmUVlW9sQbyLpY by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2022-05-05T14:33:04.349369Z
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@June @amolith >it's like calling matrix, "synapse"Worse, it gets called "element".Please, can element just die. Fucking electron shitheap, ruining matrix because haha features go brrrrrrrrSpaces are good, they're in-spec, fine. But very few other clients actually support them yet, so really, they're still very beta.Actually ditto for fluffychat. Godawful shit, I swear it's troon software by how fucking retarded it is.
(DIR) Post #AJ92a6n1it36pbAnVQ by didek@101010.pl
2022-05-05T14:33:23Z
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@SuperDicq @amolith Mastodon is ment to be simple to use and understand
(DIR) Post #AJ92a7LPf2YSYFGG6S by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-05-05T14:33:57.057Z
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@didek@101010.pl @amolith@mk.nixnet.social What does that have to do with giving some credit to other projects that exist on the network you are part of?
(DIR) Post #ALApIFxoyxZxlJIAK0 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T06:58:40.775Z
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@Johann150@genau.qwertqwefsday.eu @Moon@shitposter.club @amolith@mk.nixnet.social More than 2 months later this and this issue is still open and has 28 upvotes with no reply.
(DIR) Post #ALApfrCchBhxusT90a by Johann150@genau.qwertqwefsday.eu
2022-07-05T07:01:45.799Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @Moon@shitposter.club @amolith@mk.nixnet.social yeah the expectation was low to begin with :blobfoxtea:
(DIR) Post #ALApfrcr7egxEEk5tg by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T07:02:57.513Z
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@Johann150@genau.qwertqwefsday.eu @Moon@shitposter.club @amolith@mk.nixnet.social I kinda wondered if they were gonna come out and say "no" and close the issue. The silent treatment is actually worse.
(DIR) Post #ALAr6gNh8ZjA7x0FKS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2022-07-05T07:19:01.681015Z
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@SuperDicq @Moon @amolith @Johann150 Silent treatment is a typical gargron thing in my experience…
(DIR) Post #ALAwTpICfdAsCGI0u0 by jcbrand@mastodon.xyz
2022-07-05T08:19:13Z
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@SuperDicq @amolith There is a long-standing passive aggressive denial of certain projects by Mastodon devs and users.They seem to prefer that people wrongly think it's all Mastodon for microblogging. They'll tip the hat to Peertube, Pixelfed because those aren't direct competitors.You also see it with the @feditips account.I don't think I've ever seen them mention Pleroma or Soapbox.
(DIR) Post #ALAx3ZIVcK7x0vTY2K by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T08:25:41.092Z
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@jcbrand@mastodon.xyz @amolith@mk.nixnet.social Feditips is pretty meh anyway. Someone should make a video series called {name}FediTips in the style of LinusTechTips.
(DIR) Post #ALAx6O69iDEB9I2eZs by amolith@mk.nixnet.social
2022-07-05T08:26:15.189Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @jcbrand@mastodon.xyz AmolithFediTips :gura_laugh:
(DIR) Post #ALAzsVc1HKEmGG1HFY by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T08:57:12Z
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@jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith I'm sorry, but this isn't true.I don't mention Pleroma or Soapbox because of the toxic culture behind them.But I regularly promote GoToSocial and Friendica, which aren't toxic.If I have a preference, it is that people use non-toxic platforms.
(DIR) Post #ALB2dl3lrVs5gper0y by abid@abid.cc
2022-07-05T08:58:55.181724Z
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@feditips @jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith What the heck is toxic about Pleroma? It's great Fedi platform
(DIR) Post #ALB2dlUiFLQF2OGN0a by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T09:01:02Z
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@abid @amolith @jcbrand @SuperDicq The software might be okay, but the official website is not so great, and that is concerning.If people want a lightweight Fedi server, GoToSocial seems to have more emphasis on safety.
(DIR) Post #ALB2dof6TAW4rU9D7Y by privateger@plasmatrap.com
2022-07-05T09:03:44.356Z
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@feditips@mstdn.social @abid@abid.cc @amolith@mk.nixnet.social @jcbrand@mastodon.xyz @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo but the official website is not so great, and that is concerning.What does this even *mean?*
(DIR) Post #ALB2dp5KtdV4AqQA0e by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T09:10:13Z
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@privateger @amolith @SuperDicq @abid @jcbrand Pleroma's website promotes instances that many other instances have had to block due to lack of moderation.
(DIR) Post #ALB2dpYP9Ykhd01NJo by privateger@plasmatrap.com
2022-07-05T09:14:02.760Z
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@feditips@mstdn.social @amolith@mk.nixnet.social @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @abid@abid.cc @jcbrand@mastodon.xyzSuch as? I can understand blocking shitposter.club if you don't feel like moderating them, but other than that...Feels like a pretty weak reason to not mention one of the major Fediverse softwares, especially on an account labeled FediTips.
(DIR) Post #ALB3Tlbb4wZcRMHOLI by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-07-05T09:37:42.727191Z
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@feditips @privateger @amolith @SuperDicq @abid @jcbrand when you cry wolf, you'll learn people stop paying attention to what you have to say. I know you don't care about the wrongful accusations that often get thrown around about various users, they're undesirables, the other.
(DIR) Post #ALB3VUTpikwNuGTCb2 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T09:37:58.522Z
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@feditips@mstdn.social Do you mention Misskey, arguably Mastodon's biggest competitor?
(DIR) Post #ALB3iqOpXKvDeWUtkm by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T09:40:23.681Z
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@feditips@mstdn.social @privateger@plasmatrap.com @amolith@mk.nixnet.social @abid@abid.cc @jcbrand@mastodon.xyz I want to add that disagreeing with moderation approaches is not the same as "lack of moderation". It's very subjective.
(DIR) Post #ALB4cAIjFE5TIs1SRk by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T09:50:23.030Z
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@feditips@mstdn.social I don't think "don't mention Pleroma or Soapbox because of toxic culture" is a very good fedi tip.It sounds very petty. If I were you I would acknowledge their existence and simply avoid talking about the specific instances you define as toxic.I feel like if you don't want to mention software that defines very large portions of the fediverse, you do not represent the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #ALB4g9ZbtNM0CkovYG by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T09:41:37Z
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@SuperDicq Misskey is tricky because so much of its onboarding is in Japanese, but I have been keeping in touch with someone who is trying to get the onboarding more in English.Hopefully more news of that soon 🤞
(DIR) Post #ALB4g9yQP7CfRiQkEK by privateger@plasmatrap.com
2022-07-05T09:43:25.714Z
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@feditips@mstdn.social @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo ...what? The docs are basically entirely English, only the more advanced stuff may be Japanese.Unless you're trying to learn AIScript (which is a waste of time tbh), Misskey is perfectly usable without a translation tool.
(DIR) Post #ALB4gASCcP1Sw4MWe0 by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T09:45:30Z
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@privateger @SuperDicq I'm talking about the onboarding, the site new people go to to find out more about a platform (like joinmastodon.org is for Mastodon).
(DIR) Post #ALB4gAmPPHBZwjof8i by privateger@plasmatrap.com
2022-07-05T09:46:25.487Z
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@feditips@mstdn.social @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo Then I don't get your point either.https://misskey-hub.net/en/ is 100% translated.The instance list has a healthy mix of Japanese and English instances a well.
(DIR) Post #ALB4gBTeoTmS6s3CYC by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-07-05T09:51:09.126512Z
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@privateger @feditips @SuperDicq it talks like a politician, or journalist, not a human, you're wasting your time, it is not acting in good faith. why do you think gargon took 4.2million euros from the EU military industrial complex to develop a fediverse spyware and censorship tool?
(DIR) Post #ALB4iFT2wtLb42kWMy by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-07-05T09:51:32.271468Z
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@privateger @SuperDicq @feditips people have been trying to talk sense into the mastodon crowd since they joined
(DIR) Post #ALB5O0aKfiVv4N4OfY by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T09:18:05Z
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@privateger @amolith @SuperDicq @abid @jcbrand The Fediverse shouldn't just be about software, it should also be about reducing toxicity.That's the reason I left Facebook, Twitter etc and came here, to get away from toxicity.That's the reason I have run FediTips/Follows/Videos for the last two years, to try to help others get away from toxicity.
(DIR) Post #ALB5O0zVA8eAKQqUts by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T09:59:00.951Z
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@feditips@mstdn.social @privateger@plasmatrap.com @amolith@mk.nixnet.social @abid@abid.cc @jcbrand@mastodon.xyz The Fediverse shouldn't just be about software, it should also be about reducing toxicity.I think to most people the fediverse is about decentralization, anti-big tech monopolies and software freedom.What does "reducing toxicity" really mean? When I read you say that in my head it means "excluding whoever does not fit my personal preferred social and cultural norms".
(DIR) Post #ALB5O43VlgdXpjkF4C by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-07-05T09:59:02.786048Z
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@feditips @privateger @amolith @SuperDicq @abid @jcbrand what? All instances listed on Pleroma website a very well moderated. What are you talking about?
(DIR) Post #ALB5rxpRU4ztCzQBXM by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T10:04:27.118Z
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@newt@stereophonic.space @feditips@mstdn.social @privateger@plasmatrap.com @amolith@mk.nixnet.social @abid@abid.cc @jcbrand@mastodon.xyz My Pleroma instance is also featured on Pleroma's homepage, and I know many of the admins who are also featured on there.Honestly I frankly find it quite offensive to call them unmoderated considering all of us pour many hours of our free time into maintaining these instances on a weekly basis.
(DIR) Post #ALB66eQnsxaZONts6y by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-07-05T10:07:06.464549Z
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@SuperDicq @amolith @feditips @jcbrand @privateger @abid I mean, we're also there and I know all the admins who run those instances on the list.No clue what this toxicity even means, but for what it's worth, we rarely if ever get any reports from other instances at all. Canceldonners seem to just block others instead of trying to sort things out. I can't remember any Mastodon admin ever reaching out in order to solve conflicts with us or our userbase.From my perspective, they are the toxic ones.
(DIR) Post #ALB6XeOY82Rn69ii0W by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T10:08:37Z
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@SuperDicq @newt@stereophonic.space @amolith @jcbrand @privateger @abid I should have made this clearer, my apologies.SOME of the instances have had to be blocked. Not all of them.
(DIR) Post #ALB6Xf1tljvH4C88LA by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T10:11:58.373Z
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@feditips@mstdn.social @newt@stereophonic.space @amolith@mk.nixnet.social @jcbrand@mastodon.xyz @privateger@plasmatrap.com @abid@abid.cc Now I'm curious to know which one of these you consider toxic.
(DIR) Post #ALB7QWmc8B6bPx8xpg by privateger@plasmatrap.com
2022-07-05T09:58:22.971Z
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@coyote@pl.lain.sh Yeah, I give up lol
(DIR) Post #ALB7QXNTv6b1GIOPIW by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T10:12:05Z
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@privateger @coyote I'm trying to engage here, and you're just othering me and accusing me of being involved in some conspiracy theory?This is sort of reinforcing my impression of Pleroma as toxic, to be honest :blobshrug:
(DIR) Post #ALB7QXqYB1qeiRzcbg by privateger@plasmatrap.com
2022-07-05T10:14:34.827Z
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@feditips@mstdn.social @coyote@pl.lain.sh ...I'm on Misskey and have never used Pleroma.My issue with this is that you find some new arguments against Misskey, even after I showed you that:- the onboarding is fully English- English instances exist- Moderated instances existThis sounds like you're dodging the point and making this less of a discussion, more of a "I'm right" statement that you cannot disprove.
(DIR) Post #ALB7r07Fh7fRvAQ7KS by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-07-05T10:26:41.582824Z
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@SuperDicq @abid @amolith @feditips @jcbrand @privateger oh... he has me muted. I'm out of this discussion.
(DIR) Post #ALB7zZ3NgJ58avh1W4 by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-07-05T10:28:15.197768Z
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@feditips @privateger > I'm trying to engage hereNope, you're making a pitch. Engaging dishonestly might as well not be called engagement at all..> and you're just othering me No one is othering you besides me, and I'm not othering you for fun, you othered everyone involved with pleroma development, everyone they promote on their page and everyone who runs pleroma in one fell swoop, and you do it again in this post.> and accusing me of being involved in some conspiracy theory?No one did that either. Although all the Eunomia stuff is well documented and proven, you can check the references yourself. You can put words in my mouth but it's not like it means anything.> This is sort of reinforcing my impression of Pleroma as toxic, to be honest :blobshrug:no one really cares, you and the block fanatics have cried wolf enough that it's tiresome and annoying, most people don't take the blocklists seriously. "I'm trying to engage here" really? you're spreading lies and rumors about people.
(DIR) Post #ALB80AclzgNR7PXJJo by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-07-05T10:28:21.517184Z
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@feditips @privateger @amolith @SuperDicq @abid @jcbrand what exactly made you think that a decentralized network that no one can control would have less toxicity?
(DIR) Post #ALB8ABLu8ss4GvQ6k4 by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-07-05T10:30:12.066349Z
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@feditips @privateger if you were honestly trying to engage you wouldn't be spreading lies about people and trying to gaslight me lmao here's a picture of gargon in a diaper
(DIR) Post #ALB8ARCvC3BzRhL9xg by abid@abid.cc
2022-07-05T09:12:20.724282Z
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@feditips @privateger @amolith @SuperDicq @jcbrand So why it makes Pleroma bad. Blame instance's moderators, not Pleroma.
(DIR) Post #ALB8JatOYP4K5cZaNs by hackbyte@friendica.utzer.de
2022-07-05T10:30:31Z
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@feditips @jcbrand @amolith @SuperDicq @privateger @abid The #Fediverse is about the #FediVerse ... nat what _you_ see in it... That's why i still dislike you calling yourself FediTips .. because it's not about the fediverse, it's about what you like here....... And .. sorry but that's not the fediverse .. it's just _your_ bubble..... And you should treat it like that.
(DIR) Post #ALB8O2D4vjDJyItgkC by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T10:32:38.393Z
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@Moon@shitposter.club Honestly I think the appeal of the fediverse for a lot of people is the fact that they can host their own instances so they go on a full authoritarian power trip.A centralized service has to cater to as much people as possible and not just their own personal echo box.
(DIR) Post #ALB8d3UeRNSEIPHMtE by abid@abid.cc
2022-07-05T10:11:34.663216Z
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@feditips @SuperDicq @amolith @jcbrand @privateger Now that's funny 😂 Every platform have a lot of blocked instances, even Mastodon (in much bigger numbers) ...
(DIR) Post #ALB8ejuoCcAm9eJj6G by waifu@waifuism.life
2022-07-05T10:35:41.375356Z
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@feditips @privateger @coyote Pleroma is a software, not a culture, and this is seen more from people using Pleroma rather than people using Mastodon, on Mastodon people love tagging #mastodon for things that also work on other fedi software and that's a disservice for all of us. Never have i seen that happen in a post from a Pleroma instance.
(DIR) Post #ALB8iHyzzqFEgLyBAu by Noided@sleepy.cafe
2022-07-05T10:36:19.908942Z
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@feditips @jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith what about Breezepatch
(DIR) Post #ALB8qGCCWaKbSLwhKy by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T09:50:59Z
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@privateger @SuperDicq The instance list is part of the problem, it's very limited and mostly in Japanese. The platform is still very new outside Japan.But this is being worked on, and hopefully the situation will change.
(DIR) Post #ALB8qGfyjs9OwhsTke by privateger@plasmatrap.com
2022-07-05T09:52:14.063Z
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@feditips@mstdn.social @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo But 4 out of the 7 instances are english???
(DIR) Post #ALB8qHA6vqFmS9yXia by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T09:54:46Z
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@privateger @SuperDicq I count 3 out of 7?In any case, there's a particular instance I'm waiting on more news about, as it sounds like it's going to be in English and well moderated.
(DIR) Post #ALB8qHZHQGO1iDkdwu by privateger@plasmatrap.com
2022-07-05T09:58:03.763Z
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@feditips@mstdn.social @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo The last one is mainly English.Also... are we just going to act like NixNet or other Misskey instances are all poorly moderated?
(DIR) Post #ALB8qI6xP3KDOfVXRQ by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T10:02:27Z
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@privateger @SuperDicq Apologies, that's not what I meant to imply.I'm basically waiting for a particular instance that I think might be a good fit for new people wanting to try out Misskey.
(DIR) Post #ALB8qIcrUQqUzcR1Ae by hackbyte@friendica.utzer.de
2022-07-05T10:34:38Z
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@feditips @SuperDicq @privateger So since when are you eligible to decide for others what they might like and what not?
(DIR) Post #ALB9R55klugzjTUHkO by hackbyte@friendica.utzer.de
2022-07-05T10:38:01Z
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@feditips I'm trying to engage here, and you're just othering me and accusing me of being involved in some conspiracy theory?This is sort of reinforcing my impression of Pleroma as toxic, to be honest :blobshrug:Actually, it's more #mastodon whi is excluding other ppl ... and you not only support that but on top of that just tell others that there are toxic ppl because ... jeah because they don't just agree with you and your views?That's typical mastodon fuckup.... "We are the great mastodon network and everything else is shite"...Stop that........ the #fediverse is way greater than that and you still don't represent that.
(DIR) Post #ALBAMo8fxabpwxNegy by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T10:43:40Z
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@hackbyte What would you like me to do?
(DIR) Post #ALBAMoc6CC93QD99YO by hackbyte@friendica.utzer.de
2022-07-05T10:54:30Z
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@feditips Keep your informations more open...Make it clear, whatever tip you give, if it's about mastodon, pixelfed, peertube, friendica, pleroma or any other part of the fediverse, that ppl understand that it's _only_ a part of the fediverse... Just stop telling ppl that mastodon _IS_ the #fediverse.... because it's not.
(DIR) Post #ALBAMpeyJ02MfPUxfc by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T10:47:17Z
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@hackbyte I don't run Mastodon, I am trying to help people onto the Fediverse so I call myself FediTips.However Mastodon is by far the most likely place that people enter the Fedi, especially non-technical people.More people use Mastodon than all the other Fedi platforms put together, so I tend to post tips about using Mastodon.How else can I run this account?
(DIR) Post #ALBDOyDfkeL5ejRN7w by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2022-07-05T10:56:09.681775Z
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@feditips @privateger @amolith @SuperDicq @abid @jcbrand A large part of the Mastodon network blocks the single biggest feminist fedi node, spinster.xyz. Some of the famous Mastodon nodes explicitly ban feminism unless it's male-approved. As far as toxic culture goes, Mastodon is the leader if you ask me.
(DIR) Post #ALBDOym3gnqRNNWpiy by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T11:28:48.210Z
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@taylan@pl.tkammer.de @feditips@mstdn.social @privateger@plasmatrap.com @amolith@mk.nixnet.social @abid@abid.cc @jcbrand@mastodon.xyz What does male-approved feminism mean?
(DIR) Post #ALBE1GNKhGeiyADbmK by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T11:07:01Z
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@taylan @privateger @jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith @abid That's an extremely transphobic instance, that's why it's blocked by so many other instances.The Fedi is very protective of trans people, and many of the people who created the Fedi are trans.The activitypub standard which connects the fediverse together was co-written by a trans person.
(DIR) Post #ALBE1Gw4c6RehuTLvc by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2022-07-05T11:25:45.553525Z
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@feditips @privateger @jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith @abid Opposing sexism is not transphobia.If you define transphobia as including basic feminist statements like "women aren't defined in terms of feminine stereotypes," you're just admitting that your version of trans activism is sexist.
(DIR) Post #ALBE1IFbixfGmmcT0y by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T11:35:41.550Z
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@taylan@pl.tkammer.de I don't remember the "basic feminist statement" that said women are defined by chromosomes either.
(DIR) Post #ALBJb3lNZ7ZM37M2Eq by kr0n0tu@gleasonator.com
2022-07-05T12:38:18.562406Z
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exactly what it means
(DIR) Post #ALBJde6VQFXPKyTANk by kr0n0tu@gleasonator.com
2022-07-05T12:38:46.552097Z
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exactly what it says
(DIR) Post #ALBKFMT1RakPdqzA4e by dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com
2022-07-05T12:45:33.756056Z
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@SuperDicq @feditips @privateger It's a classic tale of a free software propagator who doesn't really understand free software and tries to use it as a vehicle for whatever other cause she/he is into
(DIR) Post #ALBLstXGWvWLRwNw9Y by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2022-07-05T12:11:59.779787Z
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@SuperDicq That's a biological definition, which precedes politics.The basic feminist position against gender stereotypes is that a woman (adult female homo sapiens) can have any type of personality, and it doesn't make her any more or less of a woman. Same for men.The fact that this is incompatible with the deeply seated desire of some people to be considered members of the other sex, because they identify so strongly with stereotypes attributed to that sex, is unfortunate. But bluntly speaking, it's not the problem of feminists. It's a mental health issue which we should be empathetic towards, but that doesn't mean letting them dictate your worldview.I've let my mental health issues behave me very badly towards others in the past, then learned that this is not ok and stopped doing it. It's an aspect of becoming more mature as a person.
(DIR) Post #ALBLsyLkdAHUNg2JOq by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T13:03:48.923Z
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@taylan@pl.tkammer.de First of all, I don't let anyone dictate my worldview except myself. I indeed agree that gender identity disorder (GID) is a mental health issue. It is defined as such. As the name of the disorder implies it is about your full identity.Your identity is a lot more than simply identifying with gender stereotypes. It's about how your perceive yourself and how the world perceives you, everything.Someone who wishes to just act on contrasting gender stereotypes and nothing more are people like drag queens or crossdressers for example. These people do not have GID.I like that you say we should be empathic towards people with GID.To me being empathic towards people with GID means treating them exactly like any other person with their preferred gender. By using their preferred name, pronouns, etc. This is not political either, medical science agrees that this is the best way to treat GID. How do you think we should be empathic towards people with GID?And yes I agree this is not a problem of feminists at all. Unless they turn it into one.
(DIR) Post #ALBMB6e2WqltJtEmxM by Hyolobrika@plr.inferencium.net
2022-07-05T13:07:13.588255Z
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@feditips @privateger @amolith @SuperDicq @abid @jcbrand Someone you can't see asked this of you and I want to know the answer (paraphrasing): what made you think that a decentralized network that no one person can control would have less toxicity?
(DIR) Post #ALBMNCEnYoDY8nCDjs by kr0n0tu@gleasonator.com
2022-07-05T13:09:24.421817Z
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So you want to help Gargron occupy a standardized open protocol for the minority of Mastodon users that happen to prefer thorough safe space moderation as opposed to helping the protocol by using it as intended for as many people as possible to communicate with the software they prefer?Sounds really egoistic and undemocratic to be honest
(DIR) Post #ALBMTuSK4UDR1CitZg by Hyolobrika@plr.inferencium.net
2022-07-05T13:10:36.400222Z
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@privateger @feditips @amolith @SuperDicq @abid @jcbrand I have seen "problematic content" from some of the other instances in that list. I don't care if I see it that much but others do. For instance, I once saw someone from cawfee.club using the n-word multiple times.
(DIR) Post #ALBMrFq6jY1Vzzyp2e by privateger@plasmatrap.com
2022-07-05T13:12:34.668Z
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@Hyolobrika@plr.inferencium.net Then you can report that person and let the mods of that instance deal with it. You're always going to have assholes on public instances, this is only an issue when it goes overboard and the mods aren't doing anything.
(DIR) Post #ALBN6VthJSzY94w2yW by Hyolobrika@plr.inferencium.net
2022-07-05T13:17:35.496181Z
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@privateger Fair enough. I didn’t look at the rules so I didn’t see the “no toxicity” rule. Or maybe I did but didn’t notice it.
(DIR) Post #ALBNyAS5GKkTGsbTKy by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T13:27:15.122Z
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@Hyolobrika@plr.inferencium.net @privateger@plasmatrap.com @feditips@mstdn.social @amolith@mk.nixnet.social @abid@abid.cc @jcbrand@mastodon.xyz A single user is not a pattern tho.
(DIR) Post #ALBREDJig4NkeY2Az2 by Hyolobrika@plr.inferencium.net
2022-07-05T14:03:47.587977Z
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@Moon @abid @jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith @feditips @privateger (In a private message, that nevertheless tagged almost the entire thread and wasn't intended to be secret but just to avoid drama)> Because each instance has far more control over who it interacts with, anyone can start their own instance if they feel it's necessary, and new software with even stricter federation protections can be written (such as GoToSocial).
(DIR) Post #ALBT4t032zHgwTVrRA by LovesTha@floss.social
2022-07-05T09:03:02Z
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@amolith is there a nice 'which fediverse flavour' website to direct people to?
(DIR) Post #ALBT4tSPLXyAMQmVdo by amolith@mk.nixnet.social
2022-07-05T14:24:30.597Z
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@LovesTha@floss.social not yet unfortunately. I've seriously considered making one for quite a while that asks questions and recommends both fedi platform and client and instanceBut that would be a ton of work :akko_tired:
(DIR) Post #ALBU6UwBa5eOqc2Syu by amolith@mk.nixnet.social
2022-07-05T14:36:01.678Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @Hyolobrika@plr.inferencium.net @privateger@plasmatrap.com @feditips@mstdn.social @abid@abid.cc @jcbrand@mastodon.xyz condemning an entire instance based on a single interaction with a single user is absolutely stupid but unfortunately common. I think more people should read and consider the fediverse friendly moderation covenanthttps://github.com/pixeldesu/fediverse-friendly-moderation-covenantI've abided by that for pretty much the entire time I've run fedi instances, from when my Mastodon instance was featured on joinmastodon.org to Pleroma, then Misskey, then the move from Pleroma to Akkoma. It basically boils down to "communicate and use your brain before making rash decisions that affect the health of the fediverse".
(DIR) Post #ALBUXZyMy61uHayPzM by slash@cdrom.tokyo
2022-07-05T14:40:55.000942Z
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@amolith @LovesTha That would be a smart link to have available though, it takes some homework right now to find an instance that matches your leanings vis a vis moderation policies, cross-instance federation, and features you're most likely to use.
(DIR) Post #ALBVFXD8b7zSSVqBph by tomxcd@mastodon.coffee
2022-07-05T14:37:14Z
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@amolith @feditips @jcbrand @SuperDicq @privateger @abid @Hyolobrika the best ideology to follow on here. :blobfoxheartcute:
(DIR) Post #ALBWBOkqCFHZ1mCFrk by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2022-07-05T14:59:19.902897Z
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@amolith@feditips @jcbrand @SuperDicq @privateger @abid @HyolobrikaI didn't know there's a fedi project to help Youth of Color now.
(DIR) Post #ALBWcszzr9tOeEOQ40 by amolith@mk.nixnet.social
2022-07-05T15:04:17.467Z
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@PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com @feditips@mstdn.social @jcbrand@mastodon.xyz @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @privateger@plasmatrap.com @abid@abid.cc @Hyolobrika@plr.inferencium.net It's a very new fork of Pleroma with features like rendering and posting Misskey-flavoured markdown, federated custom reactions, a three-column layout, actually useful search with filters, and more to comeSourcehttps://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkomaForumhttps://meta.akkoma.dev/Background and reasoninghttps://coffee-and-dreams.uk/development/2022/06/24/akkoma.html
(DIR) Post #ALBX02SeqGTEefq4Su by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2022-07-05T15:08:28.203474Z
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@amolith@feditips @jcbrand @SuperDicq @privateger @abid @HyolobrikaAh good, the fact it isn't just a fork made out of spite (like newroma was) is a good sign right there.Newroma was as dead as that gimp fork of people mad at the name who should have just called it green is my pepper.
(DIR) Post #ALBXwqzL8p0E9rAebA by slash@cdrom.tokyo
2022-07-05T15:19:05.093813Z
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@feditips @privateger @amolith @SuperDicq @abid @jcbrand If you feel that way, then it would be beneficial to imagine exactly how a new user feels when they find out there's a wider userbase that you've taken it upon yourself to shield them from through ignorance. People aren't toxic, behaviors are, and I cant think of a much more toxic behavior online than the virtual equivalent of locking the car doors in certain neighborhoods with the user in the car and not explaining why. That forms prejudices and assumptions against entire communities based on outlier users. How many users of pleroma have been affected by the proliferation of this toxicity stereotype when their sin was going "oh cool, lightweight customizable client"
(DIR) Post #ALBaswQdGxYnjblLwe by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2022-07-05T15:01:12.057683Z
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@SuperDicq > To me being empathic towards people with GID means treating them exactly like any other person with their preferred gender. By using their preferred name, pronouns, etc.While this started out innocuously with names and pronouns, it became a serious problem in a number of ways, usually affecting women, once the idea that "transwomen are women" began being taken further and further, to the point that many people mean it 100% literally even for transwomen with fully intact male bodies. For instance:- Transwomen in women's sports is unfair.- Transwomen in places of undress or vulnerability like locker rooms, showers, prisons, hospital wards, etc. can be extremely discomfiting for women, especially if there is past trauma related to male sexual violence.- Bad actors can (already do) abuse laws and social norms that are meant to be empathetic towards trans people, by just claiming to be trans. (E.g. see "Karen" White, or "Jessica" Yaniv, both of whom abused women and are probably just trolling when claiming to be trans... Probably. The fact that we can't even really tell anymore who's trolling or serious is part of the problem, since being trans is so trivialised now.)- Children and teenagers are treated with very harsh medical interventions (Lupron, mastectomies, cross-sex hormones) despite there being no clear understanding of what causes gender dysphoria and what the long-term effect of these procedures is. Detransing is becoming more and more common, after massive waves of trans youngsters in recent years. Some of them traumatized as a result. Studies show clearly that the majority of kids desist when treated neutrally instead of endorsed to take a trans path.> This is not political either, medical science agrees that this is the best way to treat GID. That's not true, it's an activist claim.For instance, every study on childhood gender dysphoria so far had the majority of subjects desist, including those with strong dysphoria.Some Nordic countries have changed their rules recently to steer away from the "affirm only" approach, after it was pointed out that it had no proper scientific backing.Several whistleblowers from UK's Tavistock reported that the transition process was horribly rushed for many, with no proper psychological evaluation. Apparently there were even cases where it seemed like the parents wanted the kid to transition more badly than the kid itself because they'd rather have a straight daughter than a gay son...> How do you think we should be empathic towards people with GID?Good objective health care, laws to prevent actual discrimination (e.g. firing someone for identifying as trans), not making light of their condition, mocking them, etc. even if we don't agree with their claims of having a certain gender identity, and so on.
(DIR) Post #ALBaswsHc9g77MhR2m by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-05T15:51:51.549Z
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@taylan@pl.tkammer.de Transwomen in women's sports is unfair.While still heavily debatable this is currently being solved by sports associations implementing rules for hormone levels, etc. While I'm not sure if allowing transwomen to compete is unfair or if checking hormone levels is a right approach, I'm sure we will be able to find a way to allow them to compete in a way that is fair without completely excluding them from sports.Transwomen in places of undress or vulnerability like locker rooms, showers, prisons, hospital wards, etc. can be extremely discomfiting for women, especially if there is past trauma related to male sexual violence.I can understand some women might find this discomfortable. However transwomen are not responsible for someone else's trauma, they can't do anything about it, and they also need to go to the toilet, use the locker room, use the shower, etc.What is the solution here? Do you propose transwomen need to join the men's room? That's arguably a lot more discomfortable for the transwoman than it is for the women in the women's room. That's a lot more dangerous. A lot of transwomen also have past trauma related to male violence.Bad actors can (already do) abuse laws and social norms that are meant to be empathetic towards trans people, by just claiming to be trans.That is indeed awful, but bad actors exist anywhere, and I think bad actors should be punished. But I don't think we should take away the rights of trans people because some people might abuse them, that would be unfair.Children and teenagers are treated with very harsh medical interventions (Lupron, mastectomies, cross-sex hormones) As far as I know surgery like mastectomies are not performed on children and teenagers. Hormone replacement therapy also is not used on children and teenagers. The only thing used on children are puberty blockers. Personally I do not agree with giving children puberty blockers in most cases. I think they should only be prescribed in extreme cases when living without them is actually completely unbearable for the teenager in question. But I'm no medical expert so I do not know about the side effects and how reversible they really are.Treating children is completely different from treating adults in this case, I was mostly considering adults in my original post.I don't think I agree with a full "affirm only" approach to transgender healthcare. There needs to be some form of psychological gatekeeping in place so people can not make the wrong decision too easily.Several whistleblowers from UK's Tavistock reported that the transition process was horribly rushed for many, with no proper psychological evaluation. I have seen stories about that. That is indeed not how you are supposed to do transgender healthcare. Here in the Netherlands the psychological evaluation is a very large portion of the transition process and that's probably a good way of doing things.Apparently there were even cases where it seemed like the parents wanted the kid to transition more badly than the kid itselfThis is child abuse and those parents should be punished for it.Good objective health care, laws to prevent actual discrimination (e.g. firing someone for identifying as trans), not making light of their condition, mocking them, etc. even if we don't agree with their claims of having a certain gender identity, and so on.I agree.
(DIR) Post #ALBskIqiLGcJq7zcRM by r000t@infosec.exchange
2022-07-05T19:12:08Z
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@feditips @jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith >Mastodon>Non-toxicSee attachments. Nobody has called them on the carpet for it. Nobody has called #fediblock on them. Seems toxicity gets a pass when it's on Mastodon. These posts would be grounds for arrest in quite a few jurisdictions. I have never received a violent threat from a Pleroma user.
(DIR) Post #ALBtfHSQBnQq1snbZw by tusooa@kazv.moe
2022-07-05T19:22:26.235969Z
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@feditips @jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith There's nothing toxic in the software Pleroma.
(DIR) Post #ALBxaKWLlvJJtnX1Iu by hackbyte@friendica.utzer.de
2022-07-05T20:06:06Z
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@r000t Yeah .. on chaos.social it seems to be completely normal to call for violence against non-trans and TERF ppl....So much for toxicity...
(DIR) Post #ALC5ourqERwWJV3Aky by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2022-07-05T21:38:38Z
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@feditips @abid @amolith @jcbrand @SuperDicq but that isn’t even concerning light weight, you’re talking about safety and moderation. Pleroma is light weight and a good fit for such regardless of moderation policies of instances.
(DIR) Post #ALCAwVDbyeoIqufaLY by carcinopithecus@x0r.be
2022-07-05T22:35:09Z
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@amolith the way you turn that line around at the end is a work of art
(DIR) Post #ALCWBgNWrheoqUO8FU by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2022-07-06T02:34:05.854258Z
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@newt @SuperDicq @abid @amolith @feditips @jcbrand @privateger to be fair my admin probably would just ignore the reports so i can see why they don't bother
(DIR) Post #ALCWdoNqhCARmVx0sK by toiletpaper@shitposter.club
2022-07-06T02:39:11.246317Z
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surely you have no double standards...
(DIR) Post #ALDNXl14nVBvZGeqP2 by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2022-07-05T16:59:15.954275Z
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@SuperDicq We seem in agreement about a lot, but there's a few more points I want to raise:> SportsThe hormone level limits set by the IOC are very unfair. Transwomen are allowed to have much more testosterone than women, even when we're including women with hyperandrogenism, who already have significantly elevated testosterone levels compared to other women. Chart attached.And hormones are far from the only difference. If you've gone through male puberty, your whole anatomy has significant differences, from the angle at which certain joints connect, to the size of your heart and lungs relative to overall body size.Also, from the perspective of "trans women are literally women, period," restricting their access to sports in such ways is considered a grave form of discrimination anyway. From that perspective, it's like saying very tall women should be banned from basketball, or something.> Toilets, locker rooms, etc.I think the only immediate short-term solutions are: 1. making men's rooms gender neutral, and where that is unsatisfactory, 2. deciding on a case-by-case basis, listening to women's concerns and taking them as seriously as transwomen's concerns. You can't say transwomen's feelings are more important than women's feelings so they get to use women's rooms period. Especially when anyone can claim to be a transwoman.The mid- to long-term solution is creating third spaces.Unfortunately trans activists seem to really aggressively insist that transwomen get to use women's rooms, period, because "trans women are women." (It always comes down to that central claim.)> Bad actorsYou want to prevent bad actors from committing crimes before they do so, not punish them after the fact and hope it doesn't happen again. That's why I think women have an unalienable right to refuse a male person access to their spaces if their personal assessment says that's the best idea. And I don't think that's taking away anyone's rights; transwomen don't have an a priori right to enter female-only spaces.> Surgeries and hormones for teenagersMastectomies have been performed on teens as young as 13:https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2674039"The mean (SD) age at chest surgery in this cohort was 17.5 (2.4) years (range, 13-24 years), with 33 (49%) being younger than 18 years. Of the 33 postsurgical participants younger than 18 years at surgery, 16 (48%) were 15 years or younger (Figure)."Needless to say, hormone therapy is seen as less invasive than surgery, and therefore can start at similarly young ages. Starting around 16 is seen as completely normal as far as I know.IIRC Lupron is given for ages down to 9 or so.
(DIR) Post #ALDNXlPXKYl0n86NWq by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-07-06T12:31:46.299Z
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@taylan@pl.tkammer.de from the perspective of "trans women are literally women, period," restricting their access to sports in such ways is considered a grave form of discrimination anyway. From that perspective, it's like saying very tall women should be banned from basketball, or something.This is a perspective I can understand. Imagine if we said black people can't join a marathon because they have a biological advantage, that would be considered very discriminatory obviously. If you're from the side of the fence where you say "transwomen are not really women, period", what is the proposed solution instead? Do you think that in this case transwomen should join the men instead? It would be very unfair for the transwoman to let her compete against men.The image graph you show pictures the maximum allowed hormone level for transgender athletes by the IOC and World Athletics. But unfortunately this graph does not show the average hormone levels of transgender athletes. I assume this average is far lower than the maximum allowed level and closer to the average female than the average male.If the hormone levels of fully transitioned transwoman are closer to that of a woman than a male, I still think the best option is to let them join the female class.I think the only immediate short-term solutions are: 1. making men's rooms gender neutralI do not understand the logic here. Why should be men's room be the one that becomes gender neutral?That means men will lose their men only spaces, but females will keep theirs. This is not equality, even if you consider it a short term solution.You can't say transwomen's feelings are more important than women's feelings so they get to use women's rooms period.I agree, they are both as important. But what I think is even more important than the feelings of both is calculating the chances of something going wrong, so the least amount of people actually get abused.I think a transwoman who enters a male locker room has a very high chance of getting abused, because I know males abuse transwomen all the time. How likely is a transwoman to abuse someone in the female locker room? I'm not saying it never happens, but I think that's much less likely.Especially when anyone can claim to be a transwoman.That indeed makes the situation a whole lot different. When I'm talking about these situations I'm talking about fully transitioned transwomen. I do not agree everyone can just claim to be another gender on a whim. People abusing something like that also sets a bad precedent for actual transgender people I think.I think women have an unalienable right to refuse a male person access to their spacesThese statements will make people consider you a transphobe, because this sentence makes it unclear whether you're talking about biological sex or gender. This is why people use terms like "assigned sex at birth", etc.That said, why do you think this very specific right should exist and should be unalienable? Does rejecting transwomen from female spaces actually make the world a safer place for everyone? Has that been proven? Or it just a feeling?Mastectomies have been performed on teens as young as 13That sounds awful. I didn't even know you could do this surgery if breasts weren't fully developed yet. Thankfully we don't do this in the country where I live at least, here this surgery is strictly for people 18 and older.Starting around 16 is seen as completely normal as far as I know.Starting at 16 is possible in some places, I think in most places they start at 18. But that's a similar discussion like the age of consent or when you can get a driver's license or when you can start drinking, etc.. Every country has a different standard for what to consider an "adult that can make their own decisions".
(DIR) Post #ALDTpZnxosV1jXP8xk by hackbyte@friendica.utzer.de
2022-07-06T13:42:12Z
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@feditips The Fedi is very protective of trans people, and many of the people who created the Fedi are trans.Uhm ... from what did you actually get _that_?Does this include #Diaspora, #GNUSocial, #Zot and other protocols not used by mastodon?And on top of that, since when is calling for violence against non-trans and terf ppl actually non-toxic?
(DIR) Post #ALDTve8WcyMKuBusDI by feditips@mstdn.social
2022-07-05T10:41:14Z
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@hackbyte @SuperDicq @privateger I'm not deciding for others. They can ignore me if they want.
(DIR) Post #ALDTvedikzJSSwVmq0 by hackbyte@friendica.utzer.de
2022-07-06T13:43:09Z
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@feditips @SuperDicq @privateger But you say and pretent to represent the #fediverse as a whole..And that's just a lie.
(DIR) Post #ALE5b7WtwhtEF9xQqe by straw@socks.pinnoto.org
2022-07-06T20:45:34.510935Z
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@taylan @abid @jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith @feditips @privateger Oppose deez nuts in your mouth :marseydicklet: :ablobcatbongo: :marseytwekinit: :apartyblobcat: marseydicklet: :ablobcatbongo: :marseytwekinit: :apartyblobcat: marseydicklet: :ablobcatbongo: :marseytwekinit: :apartyblobcat: marseydicklet: :ablobcatbongo: :marseytwekinit: :apartyblobcat: marseydicklet: :ablobcatbongo: :marseytwekinit: :apartyblobcat: marseydicklet: :ablobcatbongo: :marseytwekinit: :apartyblobcat: marseydicklet: :ablobcatbongo: :marseytwekinit: :apartyblobcat: marseydicklet: :ablobcatbongo: :marseytwekinit: :apartyblobcat: marseydicklet: :ablobcatbongo: :marseytwekinit: :apartyblobcat: marseydicklet: :ablobcatbongo: :marseytwekinit: :apartyblobcat: marseydicklet: :ablobcatbongo: :marseytwekinit: :apartyblobcat: marseydicklet: :ablobcatbongo: :marseytwekinit: :apartyblobcat:
(DIR) Post #ALOK5ziSZ8K1xb0lTE by bara@clubcyberia.co
2022-07-11T19:15:07.248401Z
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@r000t @feditips @jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith they have a point though. you should smack your face on the brick wall so small pieces of glass get stuck in your eye balls
(DIR) Post #ALOO0IcXlWzefemfSq by r000t@infosec.exchange
2022-07-11T19:58:55Z
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@baraMy dox are public. Please feel free to stop by and do it yourself. My blood type is O-. Let me know what yours is before you arrive. @jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith @feditips
(DIR) Post #ALPrx24e1NJ0GZFKEK by ryo@social.076.ne.jp
2022-07-12T13:09:10.204457Z
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@r000t @feditips @jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith These are threats against men too, so of course it's perfectly OK according to the communists (which is the same as fascists).
(DIR) Post #ALQ8iM3c9EK68NeWqu by MirceaKitsune@baraag.net
2022-07-12T16:16:51Z
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@r000t @feditips @jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith I don't even know the context for why that shit was said, but the reason is as clear as always: Everything is about who's side you're on.Did you say something slightly mean to a progressive and their dystopian futuristic ideas? That's undeniable proof you are a far-right bloodthirsty Nazi!Did you threaten to pull people's teeth and crush their skulls because they have a different vision? It's okay, maybe a bit unkind but that's "mostly peaceful".
(DIR) Post #ALQm079YCFjLKmtA1I by Beefki@noagendasocial.com
2022-07-12T23:37:15Z
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@feditips @jcbrand @SuperDicq @amolith Get fucked you biased pile of actual garbage.Posted from a Mastodon based server