Post AImMNxmeuVZ1s9PPSC by cvog@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AIlGpNFtWQuho4oL68 by joel@fosstodon.org
2022-04-24T03:20:32Z
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#Protonmail saying"Big Tech has also grown bigger than ever. Through rigging the game by leveraging their ecosystems to lock users in..."While also making all their services *not* work with protocols like #CalDAV, #CardDAV, #WebDAV at all, and also locking #IMAP behind a paywall...I do use Protonmail and they deserve some respect for making privacy easy for the everyday user, but still...
(DIR) Post #AIlHH4f6FIHqFSoDGS by Xalef@shitposter.club
2022-04-24T03:25:35.346681Z
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@joel they don't, they stink of a federal op
(DIR) Post #AIlHQVmQn2kQxbjpPU by joel@fosstodon.org
2022-04-24T03:27:15Z
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Not to mention they stopped using their mastodon accountAnd worst of all, there is still no dark theme in the mobile email app oof
(DIR) Post #AIlJSu8LPoI4ykFyTY by geotechland@fosstodon.org
2022-04-24T03:50:01Z
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@joel the dark theme is there for ios now 😃But yeah it sucks they ditched mastodon
(DIR) Post #AIlJcsArYTVfnWBiCW by PoCampo@fosstodon.org
2022-04-24T03:51:52Z
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@joel the Android beta version has dark theme
(DIR) Post #AIlgCYYSAvXOMidu3U by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2022-04-24T08:04:44Z
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@joel I thought this was to ensure e2ee for their services which is not compatible with these protocols. That their bridges are paywalled is a bit Meg, though.
(DIR) Post #AIlh6ERO950KCRt0Ii by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-04-24T08:14:48Z
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@joel I’ve never seen the attraction of Proton and their ilk. I prefer to see email as inherently insecure and not private (which is accurate).If I want to send something over email that needs to be secure or private, I send a link to a secured file on my server, then the password via other means.I don’t think Proton solves any problems. It’s just another silo.
(DIR) Post #AIljknGsGY2PiSRAwa by cvog@fosstodon.org
2022-04-24T08:44:37Z
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@joel I totally agree with @kev. Email is inherently insecure. Even using services such as as ProtonMail or Tutanota, to achieve the advertised security implies that both the sender and the receiver must use the same platform. In my view, its better to use normal IMAP and use different means for transferring sensitive information.
(DIR) Post #AIlryT1Z8hxYboJ9GK by adamsdesk@mastodon.technology
2022-04-24T10:16:27Z
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@kev @joel Right on point to me as well. Use GPG for email content. That's the best you're going to get. Otherwise email tech would have to change.
(DIR) Post #AIlunBWy8hGR1yJB4K by Wivik@fosstodon.org
2022-04-24T10:48:11Z
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@kev @joel I've always been told that e-mail is basically a postcard. When you have this idea in your head, you quickly understand the protocol issues regarding security and privacy (and how to compensate them).However, PGP encryption is not really user friendly too. But there are other ways to do like using a secured file transfer service for sensitive data for example instead of using mail attachment.
(DIR) Post #AIlzqQ7yp9tSwSywvg by joel@fosstodon.org
2022-04-24T11:44:55Z
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@cvog @kev at the very least their clients should able to open 3rd party accounts using these protocols, so I can use a single app for everything. Yeah I would like that.In fact, they could provide encryption pretty easily to those accounts when sending emails via their client. It would not really solve the inherent problem, but it would be kinda interesting
(DIR) Post #AImBpxlbT5o8Qr41Kq by codeHaiku@fosstodon.org
2022-04-24T13:59:03Z
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@kev @joel It is a solution looking for a problem.
(DIR) Post #AImF39N9vgPO3ObsqO by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-04-24T14:35:12Z
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@codeHaiku exactly.@joel
(DIR) Post #AImMNxmeuVZ1s9PPSC by cvog@fosstodon.org
2022-04-24T15:57:32Z
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@joel @kev these are decent proposals. Maybe something for Tutanota to consider. Too bad ProtonMail is not into Mastodon any more.
(DIR) Post #AImNXNNbDOYhohjv9c by joel@fosstodon.org
2022-04-24T16:10:21Z
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@cvog @kev let's show them then :blobcatderpy: @Tutanota
(DIR) Post #AJffGSkI5uys6677Ka by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-05-21T08:18:11Z
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@frankie @joel FYI there is a 3rd party app #hydroxide that gives an IMAP bridge at no cost. But indeed Protonmail doesn’t get credit for that and their statement remains a #hypocrisy.
(DIR) Post #AJffoU6tWlC0AvuRrk by bojkotiMalbona@infosec.exchange
2022-05-21T08:24:20Z
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@kev @joel To say #email is inherently insecure is a bit misleading b/c it leads people to incorrectly believe that security cannot be bolted on as an afterthought -- when in fact it can. And to speak of whether a tool is secure is to make assumptions about a threat model, so that’s dicey too. Pubkey crypto can conceal email msg payloads & standards like #Memoryhole can conceal some headers.