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(DIR) Post #AIOJzC9lIRtLXZxRq4 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T01:37:36.740196Z
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https://www.metrotimes.com/news/twelfth-starbucks-in-michigan-moves-to-unionize-29782074 @mushroom_soup
(DIR) Post #AIOK7rEcS5qxG9MPSq by mushroom_soup@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T01:39:08.712916Z
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@jeffcliff yay
(DIR) Post #AIOOd1Cxoydiz7hTpw by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2022-04-13T02:29:36.492683Z
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@jeffcliff @mushroom_soup He was always a horrible CEO, and harmed Seattle as well. Will be interesting seeing where this goes.
(DIR) Post #AIOPbEyXlNmZ3hfglk by mushroom_soup@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T02:40:21.512060Z
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@thendrix @jeffcliff the baristas make like $12 an hour for working with the most annoying customers imaginable, they deserve a union
(DIR) Post #AIOPr2cRTKOzMwrsNU by kaosktrl@poa.st
2022-04-13T02:43:22.480482Z
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@mushroom_soup @thendrix @jeffcliff I can spit in my own coffee for a lot less
(DIR) Post #AIOPuN9Bbaznu9lw12 by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2022-04-13T02:43:56.412710Z
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@mushroom_soup @jeffcliff I tend to think more macro as I've kept moving further and further out of cities. My thoughts are mostly on the coffee commodity crunch hedge and inflation, and how wages can't keep pace with that and still sell a product while demand destruction is just starting to rain down.As for employees, I would be more concerned for people working there living in larger cities well-being than their wages given what is likely coming.
(DIR) Post #AIOQDZsMVMD2ss3oe0 by bwk@puzzled.cc
2022-04-13T02:47:23.951262Z
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@mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix service workers deserve the ability to curb stomp one customer a quarter. That way the customers will be more well behaved :^)
(DIR) Post #AIOQEwDsu7KwTwmBqy by mushroom_soup@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T02:47:41.015585Z
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@bot @jeffcliff @thendrix it's an incredibly stressful job
(DIR) Post #AIOQPX8cVeVHrsMlMW by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2022-04-13T02:49:33.403465Z
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@mushroom_soup @bot @jeffcliff I've worked in service jobs, but my comment was it likely won't matter what side of the issue you take by the end of this year. A lot of things will shake lose. Bad management will just cause JENGA moments even faster than the rest of the pack is all.
(DIR) Post #AIOQs9aHA4hnDMwtlI by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T02:54:46.775227Z
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@bot @thendrix @mushroom_soup can correct me if i'm wrong, but it isn't on anyone's ability. Most non-retarded people can probably make a decent cup of coffee given access to the machines, ingredients and other staff available at starbucks, and of course with some training. The point is that it's hard work - and the people who *do* that work, as a class, can organize themselves to do so under conditions that aren't shitty, if they find it valuable to do so. Which they can do, if they can see that they share similar problems with others in more or less the same position, elsewhere.
(DIR) Post #AIOQsZxv4n4D2ED9E0 by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2022-04-13T02:54:49.036500Z
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@bot @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff I'm just saying an inverted pyramid can't balance on a weak tip.I've been telling people to stock up a year's supply of coffee for almost a year or more now. It's not just the supply chain, ag trends, and weather... it's been clear for a while their are going to be changes to world trade for a while. I got where I just quit talking about any of it... it hardly helps to keep harping about food supply issues at this point anyway.
(DIR) Post #AIORaRt0TZJUiepdCK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T03:02:47.115252Z
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@bot @thendrix that one I'll leave for @mushroom_soup do you work hard, mushroom?
(DIR) Post #AIORcTSRbUvuAlNCHw by OvaryActing@glittersluts.club
2022-04-13T03:03:09.017470Z
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@bot @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix People are assholes to the people who make the coffee
(DIR) Post #AIORotEZatMFainzZQ by mushroom_soup@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T03:05:23.070742Z
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@bot @jeffcliff @thendrix yes you have to go nonstop and be friendly and conversational at all times with retarded customers
(DIR) Post #AIOScCAhyNgMVzVZSq by colonelj@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T03:14:17.081387Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @jeffcliff @mushroom_soup @thendrix mushroom has to deal with black people
(DIR) Post #AIOSkgs9iCya33shDE by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T03:15:50.208911Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @thendrix > that’s probably true of any customer service job. and any other customer service job should be unionized, too :IWW: > , but I think unions depend on a particular skill that can’t easily be replaced nope> Otherwise the threat of collectively refusing to work doesn’t really mean anything.only if your society doesn't place value on people having a decent life
(DIR) Post #AIOT5cM7hSbO7asRUW by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2022-04-13T03:19:34.756613Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff The market determines values of skills and the cost to acquire the skill. Trade groups and government can regulate that trade to artificially limit it as well. You can consider trade secrets, economic effects, and naval power projection controlled by shipwright guilds and sea faring nations before the age of sail. Coffee houses help boost productively and enhance tax revenues in the old system before more office jobs shifted to WFH. There are second order effects that should be considered too... but now days local governments think math is racist and may not consider even immediate ones.
(DIR) Post #AIOTpenmwAWp1rlpqa by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T03:27:56.452498Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @thendrix > Society places as much value as they’re willing to pay for a cup of coffee, which isn’t much and is already well beyond reasonable at Starbucks.sure.and then ask yourselfhow much of the cost of that cup of coffee is soaked up by * incompetent management* shareholder profits* the CEO/senior staffi just linked mushroom to a story of how the last CEO got a paycheque after the fact, above and beyond his retirement package or whateverthat would have been an easy 100-150$ for every single employee right there. There's lots of room at the top to collectively bargain without making coffee more expensive.There is no such thing as a 'legitimate career' only jobs that are done, right now, based on the technology, infrastructure and tools we have to do them
(DIR) Post #AIOUavF3dFIPcv3z8a by KlausAnalSchwab@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T03:35:04.817661Z
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@jeffcliff @bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @thendrix A lot of jobs they seem to want to do away with automation. I suppose it's a matter of speculation but I could see them trying to go after the barista job as well.
(DIR) Post #AIOUavyQuXalteIDrc by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T03:36:27.790765Z
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@KlausAnalSchwab @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix and if they were unionized...they could also try to go after the CEO/senior admin's jobsautomation is pretty much guaranteed but *who gets automated* is an inherently political question
(DIR) Post #AIOW23pHvJjI1WVwoK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T03:52:35.709359Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @thendrix > shareholder profits? How is that affecting mushroom? right now? it means that wealth is being concentrated in the hands of people much richer than her, who can in turn reinvest in the likes of blackrock buying the housing out from under her so that she probably can't afford to buy a house, even if she did do so with awoo, in the neighbourhood in which she lives> Anyway, all companies have incompetent employees, that's a given, I agree>, but Starbucks has been doing fairly well, and you can complain about executive salaries and compensation packages, but I'm sure that was approved by the board.the board, yes, but probably not the employees.
(DIR) Post #AIOWJ6UxF4W1EY88Mi by mushroom_soup@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T03:55:39.964131Z
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@jeffcliff @OvaryActing @bot @thendrix fuck the shareholders. it's because of the shareholders and their drive of profit above all else that starbucks went from a coffee shop to a fast food baskin robbins
(DIR) Post #AIOWllr34d3Dbf8N0q by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T04:00:51.338507Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @thendrix Right...and that's the problem - employees don't even have the option to own anything substantial about their lives. The board is just a social institution we allow to run the place. It doesn't have to be.It's not a non sequitur - they are a pretty clear example of where the next stage of american capitalism is going - people are going to get fully priced out of owning real estate.
(DIR) Post #AIOWp3E6wR7MLyU9dw by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T04:01:26.850742Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @thendrix iethis sort of thing happened in newfoundlandbefore it gave up being an independent country about 70 years ago
(DIR) Post #AIOXq388svDiIZjXd2 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T04:12:50.076336Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @thendrix > employees bear no risk for the same reasonRisk of *what*? We're talking about starbucks employees not the CEO or someone with some significant stock options.> t is a group of people that are typically elected to represent ownership interests.sure.and that's a problem - they represent owners, not employees> It is a non sequitur, blackrock has nothing to do with mushroom's income or working conditions.whether or not mushroom owns a house or lives in a shitty neighbourhood is de facto working conditions
(DIR) Post #AIOXw5RvAxGXEDrcNk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T04:13:54.517705Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @thendrix It's not true. There's been plenty of 'companies' in various countries that have different models -- the US corporate transnational corporation model is a succesful one but it isn't the only one that has ever existed or will ever exist
(DIR) Post #AIOZ2cuXmLqIhQvyPA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T04:26:18.762080Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @thendrix 50 years ago if you asked someone if you could work somewhere for like 20 years, and would *never* be able to afford to buy a house, they would have thought you completely crazyIt was expected that if you had a full time job, that you would be able to afford to start a family. It was just normal. Now it isn't. It is very much part of life, just as working is.> Risk of operating, dealing with losses, lawsuits, and the like. Sure. But right now the employees get *all* the risk - they get *none* of the housing. They get *none* of the financial stability. Lawsuits are just friction and,knowing america, the employees can probably get sued, too and face all the risk there without any corporate lawyers to back them up.> you just don't know very much about business.I know a thing or two, having run two, and worked for like... two dozen? And of course the business classes at uni (operations management/intro) + econ (more).> But no, employees preparing coffee don't have a say in corporate decision making.You're right -- they don't. Unless they seize the means of production, and then they do.
(DIR) Post #AIOZDci2rv4rGAKcbo by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T04:28:18.037552Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @thendrix Like think of it this waySuppose there's 2 games1) i roll a 1d6. If you get a 1, I take your house. (you never get to own a house, ever again)... 2 ...nothing... 3 ...nothing....4....nothing....5....nothingif you get a 6, I give you a house.2) i roll a 1d6if you get a 1, I take your house (you never get to own a house, ever again)if you get a 2, I take your house (you never get to own a house, ever again)if you get a 3, I take your house (you never get to own a house, ever again)if you get a 4, I take your house (you never get to own a house, ever again)if you get a 5, I take your house (you never get to own a house, ever again)if you get a 6, I take your house (you never get to own a house, ever again)which is a more risky game?@mushroom_soup is playing game 2
(DIR) Post #AIOaVGBrQtPEaJFe0e by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T04:42:41.187156Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @thendrix > sorry, you can't prepare coffee for 20 years and expect to be well off. right now, no you can'tbut there's no reason why this is so other than the shareholders, the lawyers, the lawsuits, the admin, the poor distribution of risk, etc etc etc> I don't think that was ever the case, anywherefrance had this sort of thing sorted out for a century before starbucks existed - but their little cafes weren't predatory institutions taking over corners in every country in the world- they just ran, giving their employees a decent life, enough to raise a modest family> Anyway, mushroom can start her own communist coffee shop tomorrow if she'd like to. Or...she could take steps towards organizing hers into having a union. Steps like getting her coworkers on the fediverse so she can communicate with them outside of work.> Anyone can literally seize the means of coffee production, it wouldn't even require that much investment.Not really - as mentioned above - starbucks is much more than just "coffee" - there's a whole kitchen of ingredients, a whole bunch of specialized tools that make it possible to satisfy the cravings for thousands if not tens of thousands of people daily, far more efficiently,and at a far higher quality than if mushroom tried to start the coffee equivalent of a lemonade stand.> That hasn't seemed to work out though, I wonder why?Well, for starters, because the CIA tends to kill people who threaten the capital of big business.
(DIR) Post #AIOaiRZsPF3zfNlrN2 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T04:45:04.253825Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @thendrix and notethe #1 thing keeping @mushroom_soup from doing this is she probably doesn't like her fellow employees enough to try. And this feeling is *intentionally cultivated* by corporate - if she were to get a couple on here, she might notice they actually probably secretly don't like the people she doesn't like, for the same reasons, and probably have more in common with her than she thinks.
(DIR) Post #AIOb6bBYKvgyPjuaQq by mushroom_soup@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T04:49:25.046694Z
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@jeffcliff @OvaryActing @bot @thendrix i don't know why a retail job shouldn't be able to support someone too
(DIR) Post #AIObGzqbUxBNnY4SpM by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T04:51:19.173149Z
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@mushroom_soup @OvaryActing @bot @thendrix or at the very leasttwo people, working full time at them
(DIR) Post #AIOcbbr3zsx9QDg9ei by mushroom_soup@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T05:06:14.503083Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @jeffcliff @thendrix it's only a fairly recent thing that retail jobs are accepted to be not enough to support someone
(DIR) Post #AIOdC6M84XqMRbbu7c by turncoattradition@poa.st
2022-04-13T05:12:34.594908Z
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@mushroom_soup @OvaryActing @bot @jeffcliff @thendrix They are some of the most essential jobs too. People making shit wages were forced to work during 2020 when the lock downs started.Meanwhile I was able to get unemployment. I ended up making bank when the 600 extra a week hit but other people were not as lucky.
(DIR) Post #AIOdFhTcVxL2RPpXG4 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T05:13:29.656694Z
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@turncoattradition @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix seriouslyin my provincethe competing coffee chain is labelled an essential service and even with a union, is not legally allowed to strike
(DIR) Post #AIOdHaMvucVayYbLZw by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T05:13:50.187744Z
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@turncoattradition @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix *at least in some of their outlets
(DIR) Post #AIOdOHE5Tz1DdIeduK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T05:15:02.751378Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @thendrix > and they're able to support themselves.not if the debt levels of the US are to be believed, which have been rising probably every year since reagan
(DIR) Post #AIOdri1muiYz9dw5bs by mushroom_soup@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T05:20:21.293109Z
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@bot @jeffcliff @OvaryActing @thendrix $15 an hour is barely enough to get by for one person
(DIR) Post #AIOeWBHTZSurSrZXto by mushroom_soup@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T05:27:39.600340Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @jeffcliff @thendrix https://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/42003
(DIR) Post #AIOevev6VhpSd1FzO4 by parker@leafposter.club
2022-04-13T05:32:15.915988Z
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@bot @mushroom_soup @OvaryActing @jeffcliff @thendrix The federal minimum wage was set to $7.25 in 2009. Since then the CPI has inflated annually by 10-15% (1980 formula). Human productivity has also far outstripped wages, and the housing market has also outstripped wages many times over in many regions. So the only way they "make it work" is through debt, working multiple jobs, or being slaves in short.
(DIR) Post #AIOexLogVY5DxW3qSW by D00B@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T05:32:34.675197Z
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@bot @mushroom_soup @OvaryActing @jeffcliff @thendrix OK so right now with inflation it's really about 10-12 bucks since I was making around 18 with correct calculation of inflation the pre 198x calculation it was closer to 14 for me. It's horrific. Here in my little down mcdonalds starts at 17. 19 if you work the overnight one. My heat bill almost doubled from last winter. I have no control over that.
(DIR) Post #AIOf47pEvO5GarYDdQ by D00B@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T05:33:47.591092Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @jeffcliff @mushroom_soup @thendrix inflation is how you destroy generational wealth. since the kike fed sets that by printing 80% of ALL our currency in 22 months. We either go full fash or full commie. When this happens.
(DIR) Post #AIOfSPg6CVbwucrBTM by D00B@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T05:38:11.401683Z
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@bot @parker @OvaryActing @jeffcliff @mushroom_soup @thendrix it's general. Labor as a whole.
(DIR) Post #AIOfU6jxa85Yl0TFZI by parker@leafposter.club
2022-04-13T05:38:29.513373Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix It refers to the aggregate, but there has been a widespread trend in retail of under-hiring and having the remaining employees pick up the slack. I remember at the Wal-Mart in my town, management fired everyone, then re-hired new employees at cheaper pay. So while baristas may not be the best example, it's almost certain they have to work more for less pay, relative to baristas 50 years ago.
(DIR) Post #AIOfln2zXSXItPnvOa by parker@leafposter.club
2022-04-13T05:41:41.203177Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix Or an another example, when my mom was young (so about 1980) men were supporting families as sole breadwinners for around $6/hour, which isn't far off from the current federal minimum wage. And that was 42 years of inflation ago.
(DIR) Post #AIOfnIJAnRjs8X5f1s by D00B@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T05:41:39.721872Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @jeffcliff @mushroom_soup @thendrix that's the point ok that's true.
(DIR) Post #AIOfsUL5Ueb4tiSjia by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2022-04-13T05:42:52.733158Z
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@parker @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff But how could they tell if they were happy without social media?
(DIR) Post #AIOfswX6fYqeL6IjL6 by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2022-04-13T05:42:58.472608Z
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Bukkake Bot: Lolbertarian ExtraordinaireAnyway, I have pretty lolbertarian inclinations myself, but they’re not motivated by coming up with excuses to have wagies get treated like dog shit, they’re motivated by wanting the government/corporations/NGOs/academics to get the fuck out a nigga face while he tryna make a living.Based on this, not only should Starbucks employees unionize, I’m not going to start crying crocodile tears if they start going after scabs or whatever on top of that.
(DIR) Post #AIOg9YnMBBr3dlpFfU by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-13T05:45:59.672931Z
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@parker The minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage. And the minimum wage was well under the $6 you cite. We have a lot of imbalances in our society but the minimum wage conplicates rather than simplifies matters.@OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix
(DIR) Post #AIOgEVZ7c9sl4WWibQ by D00B@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T05:46:52.971025Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @jeffcliff @mushroom_soup @thendrix food trucks and hotdog stands make good nontaxable income for a retarded task. The one I'm tossing in on will net me OK duckets and I don't even have to do anything.
(DIR) Post #AIOgUyTPu2ylMUi4xc by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-13T05:49:51.916428Z
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@mushroom_soup There are a ton of problems with the way we compensate people but also with how people build into making a living. Letting large companies control most low wage employment is a huge problem. Small businesses are vital to fixing this stuff.@OvaryActing @bot @jeffcliff @thendrix
(DIR) Post #AIOgcJMOe2iUATvOgi by parker@leafposter.club
2022-04-13T05:51:10.626268Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix No it's not a misrepresentation. For decades people could do just fine working in retail, the service industry, etc. Not the highest-level people on earth, but they weren't swimming in debt either.
(DIR) Post #AIOhMxmcgY4SrIRB4q by parker@leafposter.club
2022-04-13T05:59:36.746813Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix I am also sure she's capable of more as well if such was her desire. But we've always "needed" people to serve coffee, work fast food, clean toilets, etc., and there are some people in the world more suited to those jobs than others. Those are full time jobs, and it's not unreasonable to expect that such people have a decent standard of living.
(DIR) Post #AIOhl6zU6UqmMgy5Sa by parker@leafposter.club
2022-04-13T06:03:58.336039Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix I also believe the world would be better if usury didn't exist. But everyone is in debt now, average household debt is now 186.2% of disposable income in Canada. So it's something more systemic than just people's choices, laziness, etc. Namely, juicing the housing market.
(DIR) Post #AIOiM77GbG87T8Fh4q by tpfaff100@noagendasocial.com
2022-04-13T06:08:12Z
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@parker @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix Productivity is way higher than it seems but most prices will rise to match as they have been held artificially low for a generation+.By rational accounts, junk money like bitcoin should be super cheap and goods should be super expensive in the future. We'll see.
(DIR) Post #AIOiSMBDVSEpvS4oSm by parker@leafposter.club
2022-04-13T06:11:47.760626Z
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@tpfaff100 @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix >by rational accountswoah there, this is the global economy we're talking about here
(DIR) Post #AIOj1JTDZZENeoAHsO by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2022-04-13T06:18:06.322560Z
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>The minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage.
(DIR) Post #AIOj7jnWbHxX32j7mi by parker@leafposter.club
2022-04-13T06:19:16.414923Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix No, I'm not, as seen here: https://www.advisor.ca/news/economic/household-debt-to-income-ratio-hits-record-high/In our particular case it's largely because housing prices have massively outstripped income. In order to have a house in one's lifetime, people generally have to go into a fair amount of debt.
(DIR) Post #AIOjB7vFMWukjnxFya by Senpai-kun@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T06:19:53.132707Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @parker @jeffcliff @thendrix If a job that takes all day to do is not worth paying a living wage, then it follows that the job has no business existing at all.
(DIR) Post #AIOk6ZiegdJvSFSUsa by Senpai-kun@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T06:30:16.907074Z
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@bot If you think the job is so unworthy, then why do you think it should exist at all? If your coffee or burger isn't worth paying someone a living wage to make for you all day, then why don't you just make your own coffee and burgers?
(DIR) Post #AIOkB0bOg7ulzNB5FI by parker@leafposter.club
2022-04-13T06:31:03.702147Z
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@bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix I do agree that the average woman in their 30s shouldn't be making coffee, burgers, or anything of the sort. In my view, it'd be better if they managed the home and children, rather than have any "career" whatsoever. Though we've kind of torpedoed that society already, and have stuck with inventing make-work jobs for everyone.
(DIR) Post #AIOkGTaOLRXRKQJZFA by D00B@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T06:32:03.746785Z
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@parker @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix yeah happened right after WWII when they figured out they could tax 100% of the people.
(DIR) Post #AIOkLbwMi846gf2bdw by parker@leafposter.club
2022-04-13T06:32:59.221872Z
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@D00B @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix Double the labour pool, double the competition, half the wages.
(DIR) Post #AIOkTjlpTz6bHvzJC4 by MisterRogersSnapped@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T06:34:27.046903Z
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@bot @Senpai-kun @OvaryActing @jeffcliff @mushroom_soup @parker @thendrix I think they are right, though. The fast food industry and places where you pay 10 dollars for a coffee shouldn't exist at all.A fast food meal costs just as much as a decent diner now. Why eat garbage then?And a place that charges 10 to 12 bucks a coffee while paying their employees 8 dollars an hour should be gone, too.
(DIR) Post #AIOlJvy7NJi4B8cocK by Senpai-kun@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T06:43:54.024028Z
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@bot Then you are in agreement with me that these jobs should not exist. So what's the point of contention?
(DIR) Post #AIOm8PhL7G50rUqc1A by Senpai-kun@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T06:53:01.058971Z
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@bot I submit that the concept of an "entry level job" is a clever deception by neocons who greedily seek to have an underclass of near-serfs doing petty chores for them for no good reason. There are plenty of respectable careers for whom the entry level workers are called "apprentices." In these fields, all of them can move on to become journeymen and either settle there or move on to the master level, either way making a comfortable living not only for themselves but also for their households.When you hear a job described as "entry level" and not as "apprentice level," it is usually a job from which not every worker can progress to the next level, if there even is a next level at all. It's just pure logistics - every barista cannot eventually become a store manager.There's some room for dead-end jobs that are only meant to be ways for teenagers, women, and retirees to make some extra scratch on a part-time basis (actually part-time, not eight hours a day, 39 hours a week), but it is a sickly economy that runs on such a large glut of "entry level" service jobs as ours does.
(DIR) Post #AIOmkjza6wRuo7ejK4 by Senpai-kun@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T06:59:56.818172Z
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@bot Right, so there's no reason for these "entry level" jobs to exist. You wouldn't take one, you'd consider it an insult to anyone who would take one, and they don't even provide a service that you would personally patronize. Ergo, you agree with me that there is no conceivable reason for them to exist in the first place.
(DIR) Post #AIOn6RS7inSJg8M12m by stevejail@gleasonator.com
2022-04-13T07:03:21.657788Z
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Anyone who has gotten promoted knows that management is way easier than labor. "Entry level" jobs require more competence than middle management, no question, that's why middle management in low-dollar industry is overwhelmingly populated by women (bonus points for minority women.)There are some inconvenient responsibilities that come along with it, but nothing backbreaking, and at absolute most, you might have to do the same amount of work as the entry entry level.A meaningless consoomer culture requires a lot of meaningless consoomer work, which as it happens, has always been the primary role of personal slaves. Slavery never ended, it just got gayer and less niggerly.
(DIR) Post #AIOnDhdhwC6VuNEcZk by Senpai-kun@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T07:05:11.094961Z
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@bot I can assure you there are not many people dumber than a woman who thinks that women should have careers.
(DIR) Post #AIOnT1YEBmC60TyevY by Senpai-kun@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T07:07:57.203196Z
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@bot For your sake I suggest you discontinue wasting your limited time attempting to LARP as a man. Of all the dead ends in life, "career woman" is among the most obvious and irreversible.
(DIR) Post #AIOoEXzNP4N8DnKwFc by Senpai-kun@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T07:16:32.317889Z
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@bot I can understand that it can be anxiety-inducing to trust your well-being to another person. But the notion that women could build safety nets for themselves in case their men failed them was always a poison that targeted the vulnerabilities which are natural for women to have.As porn is a weapon to damage men's ability to bond with women, so too was all feminist propaganda, even the seemingly benign messages, a tool for destroying women's ability to trust, bond with, and depend on their men as their men depend on them.A woman needs a career like a fish needs a bicycle. Escape from this psychological trap while you still have time.
(DIR) Post #AIOpawoJthsvWtPV2W by Senpai-kun@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T07:31:46.520490Z
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@bot Women are prone to suffering from deep insecurity towards the reliability of men, especially women who are cut off from social support structures to protect them from being taken advantage of by charming but ill-meaning pussyhounds.It's fair that women should have these insecurities, especially when stranded and left to their own devices. But you should recognize this and take actions to mitigate those risks. Chiefly, you should be building a social network of friends and family members to help screen bad men away before they have a chance to engage with you, so that you don't waste your time, attention, and pair-bonding capacity on predatory or indecisive non-candidates. This also doubles as a matchmaking service which will regularly serve up appropriate men to you as your connections make their own connections, expanding your overall social network and bringing more opportunities to you.I do not think it is a huge stretch to suggest that your current approach has yielded you significantly less than optimal results, as demonstrated by your extremely hostile outlook on men in general. You can still turn it around, but only if you turn away from the failing strategy of focusing on your own career and trying to hunt for an attractive man all by your independent and well-educated lonesome.
(DIR) Post #AIOpiAqy5MCH6q5wMi by Senator_Armstrong@detroitriotcity.com
2022-04-13T07:33:06.028739Z
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@bot @Senpai-kun Fedi is full of glow nigger grifters just like every other social media platform is.
(DIR) Post #AIOqxs2tsYv1MlizEO by stevejail@gleasonator.com
2022-04-13T07:13:08.839595Z
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The difficult part about service work is that the men upstairs don't want you acting like a human being. If someone is being unreasonable, you better kiss their asshole to make them happy. If you strike up a conversation, as you're demanded to with every person whether they want it or not, it had better damn well end by selling a company credit card.Entry level jobs are hard because you can't just perform a task, you have to sell your soul. I've been much happier since transitioning to construction type jobs.
(DIR) Post #AIOvdsxHHvPuAKNtM8 by Romanji@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T08:39:32.851893Z
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@Senpai-kun @bot If people want to do them that's fine, but they should expect to raise any kids flipping burgers
(DIR) Post #AIOvfE4wEjrTy7bgJs by Romanji@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T08:39:46.373432Z
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@Senpai-kun @bot shouldn't*
(DIR) Post #AIOwEPRhxuzHMK2A6q by Romanji@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T08:46:09.025583Z
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@MisterRogersSnapped @bot @OvaryActing @Senpai-kun @jeffcliff @mushroom_soup @parker @thendrix Actually, for that raising the minimum wage would do a great job, because it would push for automation to replace those jobs
(DIR) Post #AIOx8TLWeRQ7fjsJ3w by Senpai-kun@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T08:56:17.367252Z
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@Romanji @bot If you can't raise at least one child while doing it, it's not a real job and shouldn't be allowed to exist. Even slaves and serfs got to have kids.
(DIR) Post #AIPJ757PRRr3EX0w6K by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-13T13:02:32.534641Z
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@NEETzsche What that retard says and really means are two very different things. Never take FDR at face value, he was no different from any other filthy socialist.@OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @parker @jeffcliff @thendrix
(DIR) Post #AIPPl5c7cQDg4tq9Mu by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-13T14:16:59.503245Z
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@10grans tip 0.0001 to @parker
(DIR) Post #AIPPnqKIugZXX9oppw by 10grans@fedi.cc
2022-04-13T14:17:23Z
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@Leyonhjelm, you sent 0.0001 :10grans: to @parker and have 0.0065 remaining.
(DIR) Post #AIPPspFiKlVFeP325A by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-13T14:18:24.161069Z
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@parker It's a giant problem that I don't see a solution to. Housing is out of control. It's going off the rails.@OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix
(DIR) Post #AIPQ9FY0Kz0lpvR0vQ by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-13T14:21:21.963809Z
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@parker Debt being easy to get makes it easy for prices to extend past reason, but one of the current issues is there are malicious entities with the cash to buy enough of it if people can't get mortgages for those amounts the market won't deflate, it'll just consolidate the ownership into exploitative hands.@OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix
(DIR) Post #AIPQJjZvXOlfs7KjAG by stevejail@gleasonator.com
2022-04-13T07:16:20.934740Z
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For once I agree with you Jeff Cliff. Modern economic theories are all evil. We should go back to feudalism. There is literally no reason someone should be able to rule a new world order because people give them money for cheap goods and investment scams.(I say, when literally all my savings is in stonks and Etherium. But I'm not happy about it.)
(DIR) Post #AIPQcZlKG3tIvheK5g by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-13T14:26:40.157382Z
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@Romanji The last time I ate fast food was a long drive where there wasn't really a non-petrol-station alternative unless I wanted to wait for an hour longer to eat. It cost me more than a sit down meal did yesterday. And I still wished I'd just driven the extra hour.@OvaryActing @MisterRogersSnapped @bot @mushroom_soup @parker @Senpai-kun @jeffcliff @thendrix
(DIR) Post #AIPQhAGKUfRHI6L5qS by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-13T14:27:30.082636Z
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@D00B More than that when you consider those getting taxed for providing childcare for the other people getting taxed@OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @parker @jeffcliff @thendrix
(DIR) Post #AIPRJG3vNUyWHchXRA by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-13T14:34:22.488305Z
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@mushroom_soup You are framing this wrong. It's not that t retail is undervalued so much as the way that pay is determined is filtered through to where performance and pay are not in any way related. There is little skill involved in ringing up an amount into a computerized register for a soulless chain who only needs that task done. Working for a business where you also know the owner and he knows your family means your compensation is a human thing to both you and the business owner, and if he's worth anything he'll act on that. The solution isn't for people to refuse to work but for people to demand better of where they spend their money. so the places that treat employees like cogs can't thrive. Keep shopping at Walmart and eating McDonald's and this is your fault. And if that's all you can afford it's basically like working for scrip to the company store, and I hope you find an escape.@OvaryActing @bot @jeffcliff @thendrix
(DIR) Post #AIPZDo2mvBX5ZU55Bg by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T16:03:02.582218Z
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@D00B @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix > nontaxablethat won't last forever
(DIR) Post #AIPZYJ21Q57rTAUux6 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T16:06:44.786821Z
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@parker @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @thendrix Well...not everyone. I've been living debt free since '13. But I'm a special case....and it it *is* systematic.There isn't a *lot* of choice in the matter but at least in *canada* @bot is right - there is some choice there.
(DIR) Post #AIPZeAqEmbyvo1me7U by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T16:07:48.563604Z
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@tpfaff100 @parker @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix how do you figure
(DIR) Post #AIPZpfesXzY2ZGx8u8 by tpfaff100@noagendasocial.com
2022-04-13T06:13:52Z
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@parker @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff @thendrix It's global prices that are really going to rise as many commodities become difficult to gain accesss to.Especially true for those who don't seek a close, friendly relationship with the US-Mexico productivity alliance, whatever it becomes called.
(DIR) Post #AIPc3MLvK1vCeek35k by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2022-04-13T16:34:45.230008Z
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Cope.
(DIR) Post #AIPeukSwbGMAhGbwwK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T17:06:49.800900Z
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@NEETzsche @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @parker @thendrix @Leyonhjelm this seems to check out> The minimum wage in the United States is set by U.S. labor law and a range of state and local laws.[3] The first federal minimum wage was created as part of the National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933, signed into law by ->President Franklin D. Roosevelt<- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
(DIR) Post #AIPex1bfqG7SRAmPce by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T17:07:14.555664Z
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@parker @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix hence, why i'm continually bringing up blackrock - it *is* related
(DIR) Post #AIPf5OB1oIBakpIxe4 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T17:08:45.192890Z
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@parker @OvaryActing @D00B @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix it doesn't *have* to be so zero sum though...it's definitely closer to this than not
(DIR) Post #AIPf8YtSQGBWrNbD6m by CasperDoogan@poa.st
2022-04-13T06:51:36.058802Z
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@mushroom_soup @OvaryActing @bot @jeffcliff @thendrix And God help you if you get sick or injured and don't have the social connections to support you, because you are either going to go into massive debt and essentially become a slave or go homeless. Homelessness in America = getting raped by niggers in the summer and dying from the cold in the winter
(DIR) Post #AIPfKYrkLot8FWWLjc by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T17:11:29.727235Z
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@stevejail @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix how did you get into construction?
(DIR) Post #AIPfzLj077a1MksZiS by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T17:18:49.948023Z
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@Leyonhjelm @OvaryActing @NEETzsche @bot @mushroom_soup @parker @thendrix > he was no different from any other filthy socialist.usually i disagree when people make obviously #outgrouphomogeneitybias laden posts like this but honestly FDR probably *is* the kinda guy I would have a beer with
(DIR) Post #AIPgQRlZl9rlvF0LyK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-13T17:23:42.819491Z
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@Leyonhjelm @OvaryActing @bot @parker @thendrix wellThe solution to the housing problem is going to require working together, in large numbers. Whatever is going to take on blackrock (and the smaller but effectively similar competitors in its wake) is going to be *a lot* of people. Helping mushroom's coworkers communicate on the fediverse, and have a social life here is a good first step, because it brings us closer to having the number of people required to actually offer a front of resistance.
(DIR) Post #AIPjgvObfIrOJQoH6O by mushroom_soup@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T18:00:20.802500Z
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@Leyonhjelm @OvaryActing @bot @jeffcliff @thendrix niggers and twelve year olds are what's keeping Starbucks afloat and God knows they don't care how the workers are being treated
(DIR) Post #AIPk8WCMwSiYGxFA4e by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-13T18:05:19.695346Z
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@mushroom_soup Yeah, but who's giving them the money and why? And who got the twelve year old to start drinking that sugar instead of a relatively cheap Coke?When I was a kid you put a quarter in the machine and got your can of Coke. Beyond the basic logistics one expects, the only person it had to fund was the guy who fills and empties the machine, who either works for Coke or a vending company or owns the machine. Buy a Coke at Walmart and you're paying all manner of bullshit on top of it whilst funding a company way too big for anyone's good.And that's discounting the problem of the Coca Cola Company itself.@OvaryActing @bot @jeffcliff @thendrix
(DIR) Post #AIPnH7wcmpWtWEfxiK by mushroom_soup@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-13T18:40:30.333093Z
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@Leyonhjelm @OvaryActing @bot @jeffcliff @thendrix as for niggers it's the govumint, child support and the funds from their own shitty fast food jobs. As for the kids I have absolutely no idea the mentality of a parent who gets their obese child a $7 frappuccino
(DIR) Post #AIPnxHaLKitpa6M4tk by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-13T18:48:07.539433Z
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@mushroom_soup The first group is a separate issue that only the Liberian solution can fixThe second group is retarded parents@OvaryActing @bot @jeffcliff @thendrix
(DIR) Post #AIUlrMFBs2TUAuJ9DE by showerthots@leafposter.club
2022-04-16T04:18:12.545058Z
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@bot @thendrix @mushroom_soup @jeffcliff unionization doesn't let you negotiation on the basis of your ability to do anything. It allows you to negotiate on your legal ability to stop the owner of the business from operating, and it's pretty much total poison and should be illegal. The only situation where a union may possibly do any good is one where there is a monopsony situation (the buyer(s) of a type of labor have market power) and in that situation a union may counteract the market power of the monopsonist, but it's extremely questionable how much market power a chain of coffee shops has over low skill entry level labor.
(DIR) Post #AIUmjcCKlp1HICqMng by showerthots@leafposter.club
2022-04-16T04:28:00.637389Z
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@jeffcliff @bot @OvaryActing @mushroom_soup @thendrix Starbucks is a publicly traded company. It is literally one of the easiest corporations for employees to invest in. There are a multitude of free investment accounts with free trading you can open right now and buy starbucks shares and then you can go and vote and propose special resolutions and suggest board members to be voted upon. Your whole argument is bullshit. Do you even know how companies work? The board is not a social institution, it is elected by shareholders to represent their interests, as the people who put up the capital to open all the locations that the workers then applied to work at. Workers can be shareholders too, but it requires they do something hard and save some money week to week to buy shares and if they are unwilling to do something hard then they don't get a say in anything beyond the area they were hired for. It's pretty simple and it is a system that has worked beautifully to drive innovation and increase the wealth of everyone by fantastic proproportions over the last couple centuries.
(DIR) Post #AIaZJpTOYAEyBtWUAC by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-18T23:25:57.336610Z
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@showerthots @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix > and it's pretty much total poison and should be illegal. The people who are most able to understand the impact of what the business is actually doing *are the employees*. If you see businesses as anything more than a vehicle for profit for the shareholders, then, no, putting on the breaks when it's driving down the wrong side of the road should not be illegal.
(DIR) Post #AIaZMLEDSKn7FzcZA8 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-18T23:26:24.658288Z
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@showerthots @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix not everyone can invest in publicly traded companiessome of us are not able to use any of those systems, so no, the argument is not bullshit, even if starbucks employees made enough to actually have a living wage *and* invest in the company they are working at> The board is not a social institution, it is elected by shareholders to represent their intereststhat is literally a social institution>. It's pretty simple and it is a system that has worked beautifully to drive innovation and increase the wealth of the 1% by even fantastic proproportions over the last couple centuries.FTFYthere *has* been an increase of wealth over time, and since the end of the gold standard or so most of that increase has gone to the very, very small number of people who hold the majority of all stocks.
(DIR) Post #AIaaivf8m6Dma4Y7BA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-18T23:41:41.865385Z
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@bot @mushroom_soup @showerthots @thendrix they will have to learn quick if they seize control of it
(DIR) Post #AIaeThISIvJjUyvmU4 by showerthots@leafposter.club
2022-04-19T00:23:45.567977Z
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@jeffcliff @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix Dude. The limits on investing in publicly traded companies are: over 18 years old, being able to sign up for a free account at robinhood or some other brokerage (of which there are many that will take you as long as you have a pulse and are over 18) and not being such a fuck up that you can't scrape together the price of one share of a company (in starbucks case that's about 80 dollars). So no, pretty much everyone can invest in companies, lots and lots of people choose not to for various reasons including being crappy at not spending their money.No. A board is a private institution elected and representing the private shareholders of a corporation. it is not a social institution because it is not there for the service of society. It is there for the service of the shareholders.You don't even know why the majority of returns have gone to shareholders rather than labor since the 1970's. It wasn't because the gold standard was ended (or at least was not primarily because the gold standard was ended). Most of the returns have gone to shareholders since the 1970's because that is when the mass integration of the third world labor pool into the first world started and that is when first world labor mostly lost any bargaining power because for every first worlder there were 10 third worlders that would work for a tiny fraction of what the first worlder wanted. Since then we have integrated over a billion third worlders into the labor market and third world wage inflation has been going at 5-20% a year while real wages have been stagnant or slightly negative in the first world. This will continue for another 30-40 years before first worlders will be able to push their wages up consistently again because that is roughly how long it will take to integrate the last cheap third world labor and push enough salaries in the third world up to not have such a stark cost differential to the first world.
(DIR) Post #AIaeWmuJts5tlj7DWK by showerthots@leafposter.club
2022-04-19T00:24:19.536823Z
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@jeffcliff @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix That has worked out really well everywhere it has been tried....
(DIR) Post #AIbogMtMfmycg9prWq by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2022-04-19T13:52:48.531830Z
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@showerthots @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix > able to sign up for a free account at robinhood or some other brokerage (of which there are many that will take you as long as you have a pulse and are over 18) robin hood is proprietary software, and requires a phone. Most brokerages require a phone and a home address and will blacklist you if you're the wrong kind of person.> it is not a social institution because it is not there for the service of societyNot all social institutions are there for the service of society but in this particular case - they are defined by rules decided by people, made of people. It is entirely a human concoction and can be changed at the whims of the humans who make it up and the society that surrounds it - either to or not to benefit the society it exists in. And yeah there is an argument to be made that starbucks as a social institution is allowed to exist because it is of service to society, too.> Most of the returns have gone to shareholders since the 1970's because that is when the mass integration of the third world labor pool into the first world started and that is when first world labor mostly lost any bargaining power because for every first worlder there were 10 third worlders that would work for a tiny fraction of what the first worlder wanted. I'm well aware of that. And guess what? It doesn't matter. The end result is cutting out a significant percentage of the population from the ability to take agency over their lives, whether it be third worlders or not> this will continue for another 30-40 years Unless....progress is broken up by a war catastrophic global warming or a new renaissance of slavery or something. Lots of things can happen on the 40 year timescale that will fuck that trend up.
(DIR) Post #AIc36sORZbbXGXuH6u by showerthots@leafposter.club
2022-04-19T16:34:28.758380Z
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@jeffcliff @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix So, the upper end estimate for homeless people in canada is 300k, or 0.7% of the population. The other 99.3% of the population have an address and, almost certainly, a phone number. of the 300k homeless, if they really wanted to invest in stocks, they could get a PO box and a cell phone and sign up just fine, although I expect they have bigger problems (like dealing with their bad life choices and/or mental illness) they wish to deal with first before stock investing. Your first rebuttal point is complete nonsenseAlso, show me where you are gauranteed to be able to interact with anyone with only free software in any country's constitution. It certainly isn't in the USA or Canadian one. If you are going to require some nonsense as a reason someone is being denied something you could have at least gone with something awesome instead of idiotic. Why don't you claim you can't use your banking app because when you load it up someone of the gender you prefer that is at least a 7 out of 10 on your personal rating scale doesn't materialize to perform oral sex the entire time you are on the app???Whether it is a human concoction or not has no bearing on whether it is a social or private institution, as any instution will be made by humans. If you can bring forth enough violence you can change any institution against the will of the previous people driving the institution. Will it continue to function well? Will the people that created the institution from nothing be amenable to putting their blood, sweat and tears into finding good ideas to fund going forward? History says no in almost all cases.Or unless progress is broken by everyone writhing in ecstacy with their banking apps open at all time living in a perpetual state of oral sex reception (again, if you are going to make a prediction that is irrelevant, at least try and make it an interesting one. Of course something catastrophic could happen to mess up the timeline or set us back to the stone age. We can't plan to fix those things but we can see an end in sight for our current problem of stagnant middle and lower class real first world wages and we can see that every change to just progressing through is likely to exacerbate the problem, not make it better.)
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2022-04-19T16:38:57.939153Z
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@showerthots @OvaryActing @bot @mushroom_soup @thendrix > could get a PO box and a handheld surveillance deviceFTFY> Also, show me where you are gauranteed to be able to interact with anyone with only free software in any country's constitution. Obviously, the framers of both nations were ignorant of the importance of software freedom, given basically everyone pre-1984 was and both constitutions date from that era.> Whether it is a human concoction or not has no bearing on whether it is a social or private institution, as any instution will be made by humans.Private institutions *are* social institutions, as you correctly point out *any* institution will be made by humans. > Will it continue to function well?Right no Will it continue to function well?w it's not functioning well, so that's the point of fixing it.> Will the people that created the institution from nothingStarbucks was not created from 'nothing'. It has a history, and that history involved funding from financial institutions.> We can't plan to fix those things but we can see an end in sight for our current problem of stagnant middle and lower class real first world wagesNo, we can't. This is not nearly as guaranteed as you make it out to be.