Post AHOR3S91P2gFSQiKXo by agates@podcastindex.social
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(DIR) Post #AHOR3PLfnY1AmnbtLc by mitch@podcastindex.social
2022-03-13T18:28:27Z
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So I'm trying to get the hang of IRC...one problem I'm running into is, if my computer goes to sleep, it seems that I get logged-out of the IRC channels. What if someone @'s me with a comment while I'm logged-out? Is there a way for me to see the @ messages intended for me when I log back in?I'm thinking of starting an IRC channel for Podverse so that more tech-savvy people have a place to reach us in real-time, but I'm not sure if I'll miss messages/notifications from people when logged-out.
(DIR) Post #AHOR3PrZsvXSNkXN4q by mitch@podcastindex.social
2022-03-13T18:30:02Z
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And maybe IRC isn't right for what I'm looking for? Maybe Matrix is? Basically, I'd like a Discord-like real-time chat option that people can reach us in, but without the evil big tech overlord.
(DIR) Post #AHOR3QMQ2GCzvOy09I by agates@podcastindex.social
2022-03-13T18:32:31Z
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@mitch Yeah I'd use Matrix if I were you.At least until XMPP becomes more prevalent around here
(DIR) Post #AHOR3QmIU2uPDf4fU8 by mitch@podcastindex.social
2022-03-14T03:54:02Z
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@agates @brianoflondon I'm open to starting an IRC too if people demand it, but I think Matrix is a more immediate need since depend on Discord way too much right now.So I think I'll start a self-hosted Matrix server soon. We have a Cloudron server for 1-click app installs and I see Element and Mattermost as options. Anyone have strong opinions about one over the other?
(DIR) Post #AHOR3REembasdcLJgm by agates@podcastindex.social
2022-03-14T04:09:52Z
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@mitch @brianoflondon Element is a front end client for Matrix, not a server.Mattermost is something else entirely, like a self-hosted chat. It's okay, though it's been a while since I've used it.
(DIR) Post #AHOR3Rfx97Qc0H77Ee by mitch@podcastindex.social
2022-03-14T04:16:24Z
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@agates @brianoflondon if we deployed our own Element web instance, would we also need to deploy a Matrix backend? (Synapse?) Then connect the 2?It looks like Cloudron has Synapse as an option too.I guess hosting our own Element is unnecessary if we have our own Matrix server any desktop client can connect to? If it's easy to deploy Element to web though it might be nice to have for people who are not already Element users.
(DIR) Post #AHOR3S91P2gFSQiKXo by agates@podcastindex.social
2022-03-14T04:19:39Z
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@mitch @brianoflondon Correct. You'd only want to host your own Element web instance if you want to send people to something like element.podverse.fm. But any matrix client can connect as long as you create a Synapse server.A word of warning, I've heard running a Synapse server can become somewhat of a headache due to data usage and other administrative overhead (users forgetting their encryption passphrases etc). Definitely do some more research even if it seems like just a 1-click deploy.
(DIR) Post #AHOR3SZxmsEOnzJqXQ by mitch@podcastindex.social
2022-03-14T04:22:09Z
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@agates @brianoflondon hmm good to know. Makes me wonder if IRC is a better near-term answer for non-Discord livechat after all. Thanks a lot, I'll look into it.
(DIR) Post #AHOR3T2g47CSF2kmIK by agates@podcastindex.social
2022-03-14T04:24:43Z
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@mitch @brianoflondon If you want to consider XMPP I've heard Prosody is a great option. I would be happy to help you test drive that as I'm going to end up setting up an XMPP server myself, hopefully soon-ish, for live chat on NATube.Basically it's the middle ground between IRC and something like Matrix.
(DIR) Post #AHOR3TTcRwkbabMIHw by mitch@podcastindex.social
2022-03-14T04:30:36Z
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@agates @brianoflondon oh awesome. tbh I don't know what XMPP is yet. I'll try to talk to Creon our co-founder about it tomorrow. We definitely want to have some kind of livechat option that is FOSS / non-corporate, but we don't want to get bogged down maintaining it...
(DIR) Post #AHOR3TvGn8ruyMINO4 by agates@podcastindex.social
2022-03-14T04:43:15Z
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@mitch @brianoflondon Basically the reason why XMPP will be useful for you is you'll be able to provide XMPP accounts on behalf of Podverse users in order for them to participate in live XMPP chat rooms advertised by live streams.It's utilizes decentralized identity sort of like ActivityPub, but for chat.The only reason the issue of identity hasn't been an issue in the No Agenda live stream world is they all only use one IRC sever (zeronode) so they haven't had to create multiple accounts.
(DIR) Post #AHOR3UPOz6yIToORM0 by agates@podcastindex.social
2022-03-14T04:43:56Z
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@mitch @brianoflondon Of course this is probably one of those things no one will listen to me about until the run into the issues I'm predicting. Lol.
(DIR) Post #AHOR3Uub77vQ2YzLyi by mitch@podcastindex.social
2022-03-14T04:53:23Z
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@agates @brianoflondon haha ok so there’s a bigger picture here.The main reason we’re looking for a live chat option in the short-term is because there’s a group of ~5 people who have been contributing open source translations for Podverse using Weblate, and we have almost no interaction with them. They’re FOSS-minded so no one wants to join Discord. Some kind of basic, easy-to-join live chat would be good to have. Getting experience with XMPP would be a nice bonus.
(DIR) Post #AHOR3VPnF8sXbJaGbQ by agates@podcastindex.social
2022-03-14T04:55:41Z
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@mitch @brianoflondon Yes and in the mean time you really don't need to run your own server to use Matrix. It's pretty common to start out with a room on matrix.org and go from there.For the developer communication it all works, just have to pick one.
(DIR) Post #AHOR73y7EL3NdTKme0 by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2022-03-14T05:05:22.733407Z
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@agates @brianoflondon @mitch https://joinmatrix.org/servers/https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/blog/list-of-matrix-servers.html
(DIR) Post #AHoQUcdFthvHyVumv2 by tallship@pleroma.cloud
2022-03-26T18:00:54.174855Z
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@mitch Matrix is awesome. It's my goto, mainstay primary PoC to reach me, While XMPP is ubiquitous with a lot of solutions available out of the box already.I concur wholeheartedly that Discord is evil, monolithinc silo crap. But if you're endeared to the UI then you can self-host https://github.com/revoltchat - Yes it's FOSS :)For XMPP we have the most excelent and seamless integration with https://github.com/JohnXLivingston/peertube-plugin-livechat for PeerTube, which shouldn't be too difficult to tailor for podverse.fm - if that's what you're intending on doing.If you're looking to do a dev support chan, then my recommendation would be 1.) Use Matrix for sure - you can self-host or just create a room on the matrix.org homeserver and then bridge your room(s) to one or more IRC chans., and 2.) Bridge your Matrix room(s) to both your Libera.chat as well as bridging those IRC channels to your own self-hosted ircd which will alleviate the problem you've been having with your lappy going to sleep - because this ircd has a built in bouncer, and is a single bin written in Go: https://github.com/ergochat/ergoI hope that helps :)#tallship #Vger #ergochat #livechat #xmpp #matrix #Revolt⛵.revolt.chat.jpg