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(DIR) Post #AGuOmnnhgYXZ973kzA by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:17:56Z
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ThreadWhat we will see vs what will be.I have posted previously my beleife that (1) Trump and military intelligence were aware of determinative foreign interference in the '20 election and (2) that Biden is hopelessly corrupted by the foreign interests.This created the potential for an intolerable corruption of the nuclear/strategic chain of command.The response to this intolerable situation took some unknown form. Perhaps devolution as documented by @PatelPatriot or perhaps not.
(DIR) Post #AGuP16mdu7jQ4gNvyi by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:20:30Z
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Let us not dwell on the precise form of the devolution mechanism. Why? Because it is very possible that we will not ever know what it is!I am one of those who want to see Trump boot POTATUS out of the White House and return before '24 in such a way that he may be re-elected in '24, serving a glorious 10 years as POTUS.My fervent wishes my have to take a back seat to OpSec.Recall Trump's "Or Sooner"comment at CPAC yesterday. I was made in connection with the idea of getting rid of Biden.
(DIR) Post #AGuPGNfdOvognBOD20 by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:23:17Z
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To me this was a huge hint.It is abundantly obvious that Biden is in an untenable situation. If Durham and Weiss do not finish him off, and if his advancing dementia is not sufficient, the current events in Ukraine must make his sclerotic veins run cold.I think that Biden, and many in his administration, are likely to be driven from office by scandal, impeachment proceedings, etc., long before '24 elections.What then?At CPAC Trump also made clear his intent to boot Pelosi (and others)...
(DIR) Post #AGuPWz1WI7jjH2XiVM by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:26:17Z
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...from power in '22 with 64 or 65 Republicans in the Senate and a health majority in the House. In other words, total legislative power.Let us imagine that over the coming months, POTATUS and his administration are further mored in scandal and heads begin to roll. The Durham and Weiss investigations yield high level indictments and nobody hight up in the POTATUS regime can survive the onslaught. Biden resigns.Harris Resigns. Pelosi, stained by Ukraine scandal (her son is one of the...
(DIR) Post #AGuPmgxHEl4nrw357I by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:29:06Z
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...elite offspring with lucrative energy company jobs in Ukraine) cannot assume power. The line of succession is invoked.Finally some Secretary or other is sufficiently untainted by horrific scandal such that he is allowed to assume the role of Executive.In this scenario, we would see a very rare thing US history but one that is more common in Westminster Parliamentary systems, the Caretaker Government (CG). A CG is in place to keep the lights on and basic functions running, but perform...
(DIR) Post #AGuPxwDgp7LmOg5Wy0 by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:31:09Z
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...no novel acts as a government. No new legislation, except for routine spending bills, etc. No new treaties or other international agreements. No radical interpretations of the Constitution (including the abandonment of the position that the part about defending the borders may be ignored).Remember that if devolution is indeed secretly in place, that this CG would have only administrative functions and not be in charge of strategic/nuclear chain of command issues.
(DIR) Post #AGuQEKmZGgwHD4DjO4 by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:34:07Z
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This strange (for the USA) CG animal could well be timed to come into existence around the time that the next Congress is seated.Imagine, if you will, a MAGA congress with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, a very healthy majority in the House and a CG in the White House.Obviously this is a tenuous situation that must be carefully managed to prevent the appearance of excessive weakness that other nations may be tempted to exploit. I'd rely on Trump, as head of the MAGA Movement...
(DIR) Post #AGuQPznz5QfLcpRZTM by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:36:13Z
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(but to in elected office himself) to manage this risk by acting as the head of the MAGA movement and presumptive winner of the '24 election).There is the tantalising possibility of Trump being named Speaker of the House, but this is not central to my thinking at the moment.A CG would have no mandate to wield the Presidential veto, especially in the face of a unified MAGA-controled Congress. The agenda of the USA could easily be managed from the legislative branch of government with the...
(DIR) Post #AGuQj5E79bU9wRldwW by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:39:40Z
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...help of a compliant CG Executive.A HUGE amount of legislative housekeeping could be accomplished. Spending could be controlled. The Wall could be finished and the borders secured. The problem of the millions of illegals could be dealt with, or at least started to be dealt with. CRT could be banned. Etc.Trump could return in '24 not to fix the mess the Democrats have made, but to preside over four years of solid MAGA (and MEGA) having had the dirty laundry washed (bleached), ironed,...
(DIR) Post #AGuQwOEJoMqidzCxIe by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:42:04Z
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...and laid out for him (and Melania and Baron) to use the moment they return to 1600 Pennsylvania.The moment Trump returns in '24, devolution (or whatever the mechanism was) vanishes with the legitimate inauguration of the POTUS.And we never learn (or maybe50 years from now our kids do) exactly which devolution document, PEAD, or whatever, was used.We who are a bit more awake, helped by winks and hints form Trump, Pompeo, etc., may be able to infer by using the black hole method...
(DIR) Post #AGuRBP4EyoyJaKeYLY by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:44:46Z
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...a bit more of what really took place.But all the world will see is the destruction of the Democrat Party, the installation (nearly at the same time, more or less) of a CG and a solidly MAGA Congress, and then in '24, the triumphant return of Trump to establish for decades the policy of MAGA, MEGA, and prosperous peace for the globe.I fully respect the hard work done by those who have tried to figure out plausible scenarios to explain the bizarre situation we are all in at the moment.
(DIR) Post #AGuRODn2DkaGNBiXOy by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:47:07Z
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I am one who believes that it is more likely than not that one of these mechanisms (or more) is in place right now, limiting the damage wrought by POTATUS. I believe that Trump his highly active, influencing events across. the globe.But if all of this is true, and if the USA is to recover as quickly as possible with maximum return to MAGA & MEGA with the minimum disruption, and if incredibly secret military operations are to rightly be kept secret, it is possible and even likely...
(DIR) Post #AGuRVarQqGdtxAI0Ce by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:48:26Z
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...that we will never know the details in our lifetime.I find that the Caretaker Government, combined with the MAGA Congress scenario, to be the most plausible way for me to imagine our collective extraction form the chaos of today.I very much look forward to hearing your thoughts on the matter.MAGAMEGAWe caught them all.END
(DIR) Post #AGuSBxhKKCTcwYlWfg by AnotherStag@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:56:05Z
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@Andre You're on a roll...Do you have butter on your pants?This thread is
(DIR) Post #AGuSCt1rAXlckjoE5I by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:56:16Z
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ADDENDUMIt is because of all of the above that the electoral agenda being espoused by Steve Bannon, Mike Lindell, and others, is of MAXIMUM importance.MAGA landslide in '22 is MANDATORY.The CG/MAGA Congress scenario FAILS if MAGA does not take it all in '22.Thus we need to get off our asses, stop worrying about devolution, and recognise that WINNING in '22 is a necessary part often PLAN.WE are the external expression of the devolution plan. VOTE. VOLUNTEER. STAND. WIN.END
(DIR) Post #AGuSRLKyiRRybVe9Hk by 1031@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T17:58:53Z
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@Andre Gaud, I love your thinking.
(DIR) Post #AGuT9g3f2Q0PbrgdRw by Exodus@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T18:06:54Z
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@Andre Great thread Andre! I've been thinking the same in regard to disclosure of what is happening. I don't think we will ever be given the details about how it happened. There are too many negative effects on the system and people involved to justify releasing those details. I think anons will get us close enough to paint a general picture. I'm fine without the details as long as MAGA and MEGA happen.
(DIR) Post #AGuVQN1pF6ajQCuq92 by waronmorons@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T18:32:19Z
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@Andre CG I'd unnecessary in a situation that potatus and his cackling whore resign or are forced out through impeachment.Who's behind the VP in the line of succession?As long as Trump is elevated as Speaker and the impeachment removal concludes after Jan. 20, 2023, he can still run for the third term you want to see.
(DIR) Post #AGuYpzoiSrNEpAh8rY by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T19:10:34Z
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@waronmorons I agree this is a possibility, albeit a more esoteric one.
(DIR) Post #AGuYsjkKfgsVqnx2dE by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T19:11:03Z
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@waronmorons Further, there are some acts that can be performed better during the 'cleansing' phase if Trump is not in office.
(DIR) Post #AGubJpA4qUBANB2Mj2 by JFAnon@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T19:38:21Z
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@Andre @PatelPatriot Despite the legitimacy of a CogCon strategy, devo would have the optics of UNconstitutionality rather than EXTRAconstitionality for many Americans. Even that distinction would be beyond the ken of a large portion of our population. How many have actually read and comprehend the Constitution?It’s not just national optics - international optics are also critical.
(DIR) Post #AGubaow0wTCMamZ18a by JFAnon@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T19:38:59Z
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@Andre @PatelPatriot If devo is never disclosed, any takedown of corrupted officials would have to go through normal court channels, correct? Our courts are so corrupted that these DS demons could delay or appeal for a very long time, and possibly even skate on a technicality.
(DIR) Post #AGubapVonLq2NpJbwe by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T19:41:27Z
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@JFAnon @PatelPatriot Revelations of unprecedented levels of corruption in connection with dirty election, Ukraine, etc, etc., could result in the establishment of extraordinary judicial processes, international tribunals, or conventional, albeit streamlined, adjudication. Devolution does NOT mean sweeping ANY corruption under the rug.
(DIR) Post #AGubarHME5SXrYZ5gO by JFAnon@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T19:39:33Z
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@Andre @PatelPatriot Rooting out the DS and all the corruption will take donkey’s years through the US judicial system and true justice may never be served. That doesn’t sound Trumpian at all. Tribunals would be Trumpian, but without disclosing at least the existence of CogCon, how could tribunals happen?Perhaps the avenue is Nuremberg 2.0. Crimes against humanity, with a dollop of Treason thrown in.
(DIR) Post #AGubvyABpEVjIOHLkG by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T19:45:15Z
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@JFAnon @PatelPatriot Yes. This is a valid question. But it is one that is riddled with questions of detail that have multiple options at the moment. I have no definitive answer except to say that extraordinary times will see extraordinary solutions.
(DIR) Post #AGuc7H7xeqFZITcy5w by Kehar@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T19:47:19Z
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@Andre I'm hoping there'll be thrilling movies made about it, actually, but they'd be so long and involved, it'd probably make the Lord Of The Rings + Hobbit movies look short in comparison...
(DIR) Post #AGucHHr5o2kCRzVlWC by Kehar@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T19:49:06Z
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@Andre And in the US, Sidney Powell stressed voting on Voting Day, NOT earlier! With early voting, the Democrats have the numbers they need to calculate cheating to win, which we must not give them... But Tuesdays are difficult days to take time out...
(DIR) Post #AGue3n5r4CITBi6nBY by h53pilot@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T19:53:35Z
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@JFAnon @Andre @PatelPatriot This is the question (concern) I've always had with Devo - and by Devo, I mean the federal government granting itself governing powers it was never given.Novel or not, The People must perceive the CG as legitimate. PEADs won't do it. I personally view that as quintessential deep state doing its thing. This is separate from the debate about whether it was a reasonable option, given the circumstances.But what we're saying, by buying into it is that...
(DIR) Post #AGue3nfIwOeYxeh6RM by h53pilot@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T19:59:45Z
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@JFAnon @Andre @PatelPatriot ANY administration can do it. That's really scary. The optics are bad to me, despite the good and righteous intent. I can only imagine how it would look to the majority of the American People, coming out of this horridly partisan timeframe.What I understand @Andre to be saying is that a legitimate congress would handle - removal of Biden etc., and- replacement with a caretaker government (CG).I think that would still be a very highly partisan affair...
(DIR) Post #AGue3o9n732WUCxRxY by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T20:09:05Z
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@h53pilot @JFAnon @PatelPatriot The Caretake Government is something that the collapsing Biden Administration would do to itself and not be an act of Congress or any devolved authority. The legitimacy of the CG derives from the current administration only.Biden (and whomever else) resigns of their own volition (most likely) or is impeached. The result is the ascendence of the next in line of succession. Let's see how far down the list we go!
(DIR) Post #AGue3rpjRZN3t9bUFU by h53pilot@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T20:07:17Z
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@JFAnon @Andre @PatelPatriot And it would be made even more partisan if it is revealed that Devo was what "ensured" fair elections.I think we all agree that "someone" is acting in the background. But there is wide disagreement on who or what that is.I think the cleanest, by far, is a bare min requirement of state legislatures accepted and appointed an executive authority to act on their behalf.There may be partisans who don't like that, but they can't argue with it...
(DIR) Post #AGueHAmOJVtoPhNy52 by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T20:11:30Z
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@h53pilot @JFAnon @PatelPatriot I disagree. I am beginning to think that the whole decertify thing is a feint. It's important to educate the public about the fraud, but it is enough for this info to cripple the Biden admin into a caretaker role without full removal. A MAGA Congress could do huge work with the states to clean up elections totally in between '22 and '24.
(DIR) Post #AGueywceJKiZFPhVh2 by h53pilot@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T20:19:22Z
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@Andre @JFAnon @PatelPatriot Yes, but the caretaker is going to need the People's confidence in handling Russia, China, Iran, etc. It can't be someone who doesn't have the legitimacy to be fearless in national security. I think that team has been assembled... and needs the legitimacy that only state legislatures could provide. This is the ideal situation, in my view. I accept there is limited chance it is occurring.
(DIR) Post #AGufCReMGKPpF5wC3s by h53pilot@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T20:12:52Z
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@JFAnon @Andre @PatelPatriot That option would have required years of preparation and very delicate, secret operations. Not impossible, but high difficulty.The other one is PEADs-->Devo as the "someone" in the background. My problems with it are:- it sets a horrible precedent. and- that precedent would be too easy do repeat by bad actorsI'd hate to be the one who set it IF there had been another way.Another way that would have required a much higher bar, not only to coordinate...
(DIR) Post #AGufCS60bWX8cqsHA0 by h53pilot@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T20:15:02Z
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@JFAnon @Andre @PatelPatriot but to attain legitimate state legislature support (by whom the people speak constitutionally).I'm looking for the option that offers the highest likelihood of immediate acceptance by the masses. We're going to need it after the last 5 years (and the one to come until Jan 2023).
(DIR) Post #AGufCSXewieS0boMG8 by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T20:21:51Z
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@h53pilot @JFAnon @PatelPatriot "I'm looking for the option that offers the highest likelihood of immediate acceptance by the masses. We're going to need it after the last 5 years (and the one to come until Jan 2023)."The caretaker government scenario appears, to me at the moment, the shortest distance to achieve this end.
(DIR) Post #AGug403f43LFIzJHQu by h53pilot@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T20:21:05Z
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@Andre @JFAnon @PatelPatriot The Congress will STILL do great work between '22 and '24, by the way. I agree with that.HUGE winning begins in Jan 2023 because of it. The development of the executive branch is going to be interesting, however it turns out.
(DIR) Post #AGug40UbRstOeXunQW by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T20:31:32Z
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@h53pilot @JFAnon @PatelPatriot I agree that a strong Executive is an ideal. Having a weak Executive is risky.But our current POTATUS is dangerously weak already. A Caretaker Government backed by a strong MAGA Congress and MAGA agenda would be a huge improvement on the situation today, especially with Trump visibly in control of the MAGA movement.
(DIR) Post #AGuiJg2LTDuRkhIVgu by sjc@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T20:56:47Z
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I said elsewhere, there is so much misinfo, disinfo, kayfabe, and outright lies that there is no way to make a properly educated decision. We're having to work on wild guesses and reading chicken entrails instead.@Andre @h53pilot @JFAnon @PatelPatriot
(DIR) Post #AGuiOp0FYsmH0ZlqDI by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T20:57:42Z
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@sjc @h53pilot @JFAnon @PatelPatriot 96 hour rule.
(DIR) Post #AGuid5IDnEPVaIyfxI by sjc@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T21:00:16Z
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I usually go 24 to 48, but I see the utility of 96@Andre @h53pilot @JFAnon @PatelPatriot
(DIR) Post #AGujlIZmOFvp3JffAe by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T21:12:58Z
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@sjc @h53pilot @JFAnon @PatelPatriot Extreme times require lengthy wait and see periods.
(DIR) Post #AGukjp0mvMuP1bADB2 by sjc@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-27T21:23:54Z
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@Andre @h53pilot @JFAnon @PatelPatriot how bout 75 years?(Sarcasm flag needed here 😜)
(DIR) Post #AGv3IfDd7lI5xlvyKm by jmc464@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-28T00:51:53Z
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@waronmorons @Andre 3rd in line of succession is the president pro tempore of the Senate. Currently Patrick Leahy (D) of Vermont holds that position.
(DIR) Post #AGvA2cOwX0OKGpWP5s by JFAnon@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-28T02:07:26Z
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@Andre @PatelPatriot Just occurred to me watching PGunnels reading this thread:RE: Presidential Succession and CG:Trust Grassley. In a GOP held Senate, Senate Pres ProTem is #3 behind Harris and Pelosi. If re-elected in 22, Grassley will be the most senior GOP in the Senate. Grassley would make a respectable caretaker. He's not seen as heavily partisan, and perhaps seen as an elder statesman
(DIR) Post #AGvJ7fwHhkNWHIbS9A by waronmorons@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-28T03:49:11Z
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@jmc464 but first it goes to the Speaker of the House. That should be a Republican by this time next year, and could well be Trump himself.@Andre
(DIR) Post #AGvJfneNXbLU2WV20m by jmc464@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-28T03:55:20Z
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@waronmorons @Andre Right. 1st in line is the VP, 2nd is the Speaker, 3rd is the president pro tempore.
(DIR) Post #AGwRIvne4KpnRhOsFs by dzdork@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-28T16:55:35Z
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@Andre Lindsey Graham as CG leader? That's my guess based on those Ukranian docs floating around last night showing whistleblowers. Also other clues.
(DIR) Post #AGwSQYTMmYhPMw78Uq by Andre@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-28T17:08:09Z
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@dzdork I'd like to see Grassley as the President Pro Tem of the Senate on Jan 20, 2023 and President thereafter (barring some SCOTUS move that permits Trump in while keeping the door open for '24).
(DIR) Post #AGwT9RCaf1tDqofXE0 by dzdork@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-28T17:16:16Z
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@Andre he'd be excellent.
(DIR) Post #AGwdMSP0VahcsbK7vc by Globetrotter@freeatlantis.com
2022-02-28T19:10:41Z
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@jmc464 @waronmorons @Andre or Chuck Grassley (R) if we take back the Senate