Post AGdAOwKGFDNJCVbQjg by kev@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AGbQPLW9n8gwHZSkhk by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T13:36:04Z
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Been thinking about a switch from #Firefox recently, but I don't know if there's a good alternative out there?https://kevq.uk/whats-the-alternative-to-firefox/#moa
(DIR) Post #AGbQtuOYgNab8lTwS8 by lenzj@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T13:41:34Z
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@kev Have you looked at ungoogled chromium? https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium
(DIR) Post #AGbRSbCY2J4JkPPDrk by jamesravey@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T13:47:09Z
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@kev I have the same quandry - it's been kind of sad watching Firefox's fall from grace after its meteoric rise in the mid-00s as the only real IE6 alternative. I like the signal sustainers idea and I'd Happily donate £30/year to mozilla if they sort their shit out (I don't want it to just end up bolstering their CEO's annual bonus). I guess part of the problem is that the barrier to entry for new competing browsers is IMMENSE (https://drewdevault.com/2020/03/18/Reckless-limitless-scope.html)
(DIR) Post #AGbSHoiDYxvmQ3dqWu by fatboy@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T13:57:00Z
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@lenzj @kev Ungoogled Chromium doesn't support extensions?
(DIR) Post #AGbSqWXf6yAUCVFnqi by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T14:03:21Z
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@fatboy @lenzj even if it did support extensions, that's WAY too close to Google for my liking.
(DIR) Post #AGbTqUV0o2thorYw7c by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T14:14:24Z
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@jamesravey that's an interesting read. I didn't realise the W3 spec was quite so large. That's crazy.
(DIR) Post #AGbV7laGdeVZgSp2Bc by kontillion@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T14:28:34Z
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@kev I use LibreWolf. It's a "cleaned" fork of Firefox. https://librewolf.net
(DIR) Post #AGbVEKxk0y7L97w1mS by darekkay@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T14:28:56Z
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@kev With the full migration to Manifest V3 next year, which basically breaks adblockers, Chromium-based browsers will become a no-go for me. I'm curious if/how this will affect the Firefox market share.
(DIR) Post #AGbVddUEHPmbpxC772 by espen@fed.im
2022-02-18T13:40:20Z
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@kev I switched from Chrome to Vivaldi a little while ago. Based on Chromium (boo, hiss) but it is what resonated best with me among the browser crowd.
(DIR) Post #AGbVu94mb9s4RZAFcG by ZikZak@oc.todon.fr
2022-02-18T13:44:26Z
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@kev That will depend of your OS and also what you are ready to accept.On a light machine for which I won't watch any streaming I can live with 'Falkon'.
(DIR) Post #AGbW3thIdBZDdvpXVY by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T14:38:40Z
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@darekkay that's interesting - I've not heard of this. Do you have any links that explain it?
(DIR) Post #AGbWAtUXnJEt23CTse by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T14:39:53Z
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@ZikZak I mention my OS in the post - MacOS.
(DIR) Post #AGbWG2eVA9kStJJRBo by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T14:40:26Z
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@kontillion I've never tried LibreWolf (but I have heard of it many times) I didn't know it was available for Mac. I'm downloading it now.
(DIR) Post #AGbWP20Ow9E3UWqI9g by gray@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T14:42:56Z
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@kev With Firefox doing incredibly daft things, I too have been looking for browser alternatives for some time. I've been experimenting with #Orion since November. It's going pretty well.https://browser.kagi.comLet me know if you're truly interested.
(DIR) Post #AGbXC1LKBlUjcszNuS by AstralPegasus98@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T14:52:10Z
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@kev> "Vivaldi is also out because it’s just got WAY too much going on in the UI."Funny, I consider that a feature compared to all the other oversimplified browsers. 😄The state of the web has been really sad for years. I think Vivaldi is doing the best as far as user-focused features and customization, but the tradeoff is it's Chrome-based and proprietary.The way the web feature-creep keeps moving steadily onward, I don't think the browser situation will ever get better. 😔
(DIR) Post #AGbXWszQROqjnghAQa by nathand@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T14:56:03Z
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@kev There aren't any *good* alternatives. There are acceptable ones.Safari is acceptable, for now. Edge is acceptable, for now. Ungoogled Chromium is okay.The browser ecosystem sucks.
(DIR) Post #AGbXpdTOM7GBB7eVSi by thisisfilber7@mastodon.online
2022-02-18T14:13:24Z
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@kev If you would not like to use either #Vivaldi or #Brave, what about #Bromite?
(DIR) Post #AGbZ3wjxcKagwWn2cC by AAMfP@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T15:13:14Z
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@kevLibreWolf
(DIR) Post #AGbZRBtLS1JYavGNns by ZikZak@oc.todon.fr
2022-02-18T14:41:42Z
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@kev Ah you mean in the link in your post.I did not go that far.
(DIR) Post #AGbZlf9AOGzJ7TQR96 by joel@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T15:21:09Z
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@kev I find Abrowse to be the sanest fork, but it can be a bit hard to get in some distros. Librewolf is too extreme and others are basically the same.Waterfox is a no no too
(DIR) Post #AGbaDwmSQF1DuyI4GW by joel@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T15:26:24Z
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@kev OK the thing is pretty hard to find, its a fork done by Trisquel (An FSF approved distro) and I think there is no Mac version, sorry
(DIR) Post #AGbaGTbDNGJQHZEo2S by joel@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T15:27:01Z
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@kev OK the thing is pretty hard to find, its a fork done by Trisquel (An FSF approved distro) and I think there is no Mac version, sorry. You can still make Librewolf good too I guess
(DIR) Post #AGbbOkCjcWaG3MIHHk by neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk
2022-02-18T15:08:48Z
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@kev Nice!I did a very similar exercise:https://neilzone.co.uk/2022/02/browsers-for-people-who-just-want-a-browser
(DIR) Post #AGbcEFPvKdMHcu1Ods by ndanes@smallcamp.art
2022-02-18T15:17:10Z
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@kev As a iPhone + MacOS user, I've been testing Safari again. Adguard is a decent, but not complete alternative to Ublock Origin and even works on iOS. The iOS app also has the option to block ads on YouTube that you have to manually enable in the share sheet.It's mostly fine, but feels a bit unpolished and some sites are noticeably slower. But It's not Blink lol. Potenitally also going to try Orion once I can get into the closed beta. It's also WebKit, like safari, but supports the web extensions API. https://browser.kagi.com
(DIR) Post #AGbcVTqmvFQzJUnvn6 by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T15:51:54Z
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@kev Well, I'd say that #Vivaldi is the best alternative out there, but why would you take my word for it.Oh, Laptop Magazine has come out and said the same thing. Among others. It's a fact. Vivaldi rocks.https://www.laptopmag.com/features/bye-microsoft-edge-vivaldi-is-the-best-chrome-alternative
(DIR) Post #AGbdPErLqSyR2Keh7Y by roganjoshua@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T16:01:45Z
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@kev stick with Firefox diversity is too important
(DIR) Post #AGbdZIvVZx4KXvOpEW by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T16:01:56Z
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@nathand yeah it does. :(
(DIR) Post #AGbdeti2FVTO4clSuO by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T16:03:31Z
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@AstralPegasus98 I don't want my browser to be an RSS reader, or a mail client, or a different colour depending on what site I'm visiting. I just want a simple interface that allows me to view the web.I can see the attraction of Vivaldi if one wants to really customise their web experience (just like KDE), but it's not for me. I just want sane defaults and be able to move on.
(DIR) Post #AGbdmm3sZCuIfgjnhw by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T16:04:59Z
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@gray yes! I really, REALLY am! Do you have an invite per chance?
(DIR) Post #AGbdzPtMIwKZg5qT9k by mmk2410@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T16:08:23Z
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@kev Please write a post if you found something that works. I'm also more or less actively searching and have quite similar needs (besides the OS).
(DIR) Post #AGbebWtkhfhOPbCeKu by hirozed@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T16:15:10Z
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@kev I'm using mostly Safari, but Waterfox has been a great Firefox alternative. Same gecko engine, and uses Firefox sync, but that's about it.Vivaldi is pretty good too. Chromium engine but doesn't look Googlyhttps://www.waterfox.net/
(DIR) Post #AGbegVxJdR9Sw8FMI4 by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T16:15:19Z
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@ZikZak well no, I say in the post that I'm a MacOS user.
(DIR) Post #AGbgPq7JceqCS26IgS by obsolete29@indieweb.social
2022-02-18T16:13:49Z
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@kev Seconding the LibreWolf recommendation. I've been using it for a few days now as my daily driver on Linux and it's really good. It seems to be well maintained, unlike IceCat. I only use two addons other than uBlock (which comes with LibreWolf already installed) and they both installed fine.I share your views on Vivaldi specifically and chromium in general.What's "good" is subjective though so I would be curious about your thoughts after using it.
(DIR) Post #AGbhRFptaLESSeBuQi by fatboy@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T16:47:10Z
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@mike @kev Vivaldi is pretty cool. On mobile and desktop.
(DIR) Post #AGbhdSHL9KO4WgqVAO by kytta@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T16:49:13Z
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@kev Ungoogled Chromium or LibreWolf, the former being Chromium-based and the later being a fork of Firefox.I have used Ungoogled Chromium and I was very pleased with it. Chromium is to this day faster than Blink (sadly). Some time ago, updating it with Homebrew would cause my cookies to be deleted, so I switched to LibreWolf in the meantime.Both are open-source, lightweight, and protect your data!
(DIR) Post #AGbiEoZVEB2gNh9i1A by gray@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T16:56:06Z
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@kev will send the link in about an hour :)
(DIR) Post #AGbii1O6ekzUWmkgBU by SonoMichele@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T17:01:15Z
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@kev I know you said no to Vivaldi, I said no too when I first saw it but I decided to give it a try (sadly there’s no iOS app) and I’m happy with it. Luckily you can really unbloat the UI which is the first thing I did because there was too much. Now graphically it’s similar to Firefox. I would recommend giving it a try
(DIR) Post #AGbkgVuGPww4VcCacS by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T17:23:23Z
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@gray legend. Thanks!
(DIR) Post #AGbmFbUXkBL9v8T3JY by rudolf@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T17:40:52Z
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@kev Which OS?For Android Bromite.
(DIR) Post #AGbmv1Yviai4eOGogC by sbanwart@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T17:48:37Z
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@mike @kev I would second Vivaldi. Disappointed that it's not fully open source, but it's been great so far for couple of weeks I've been using it.
(DIR) Post #AGbwRgVFw6KQTpCTiq by wswartzendruber@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T19:35:24Z
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@kev I am squarely in the Brave camp at this point. For both browser and search.
(DIR) Post #AGbwST2DUrDMzwzTlI by greenpete@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T19:35:26Z
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@mike @kev Vivaldi has a lot of Google, Microsoft, Facebook and more in it, not something I would ever install on a machine of mine...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(browser_engine)
(DIR) Post #AGbxUjKNzSyI408FCS by VincentTunru@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T19:47:00Z
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@kev Working at Mozilla I suppose I'm biased (though then again, I started working at Mozilla because I'm a fan), but maybe... Stick with Firefox, and recalibrate how bad things really are? (Warning: personal views to follow.)For example, "they’re all on their own with no other products of note that can shore up the business" is exactly why it's "shilling" the VPN, which is otherwise one of the few ethical VPNs out there (being built on Mullvad's).
(DIR) Post #AGbyoMxixEb0RaSceu by unicornfarts@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T20:01:38Z
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@kev I’m going with Netscape Navigator!
(DIR) Post #AGbzqaDIl1Us4jMm8m by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T20:13:35Z
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@sbanwart Yea, I wish it was 100%, but it's close. It's a great browser and they just keep adding more and more stuff to it that makes it even better.@kev
(DIR) Post #AGc22CiCA65yZMUAcK by darekkay@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T20:37:59Z
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@kev Sure, here's a recent summary from the EFF: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/googles-manifest-v3-still-hurts-privacy-security-innovationAnd here's how it will affect Adblockers: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBlock-issues/issues/338
(DIR) Post #AGc63vLW68gN6dxBLc by ruud@mastodon.world
2022-02-18T21:23:13Z
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@kev @nathand I like Vivaldi. But would love a good open source browser.
(DIR) Post #AGc6pNIjykXxPzHVTM by cooper@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T21:31:46Z
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@kev I bounce around. I just put Firefox down and went back to Brave. Is it vastly better than Firefox? Probably not but, I like it.
(DIR) Post #AGc7lY1QHGuVSnv6ky by rubenwardy@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T21:42:19Z
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@cooper @kev Brave feels very very scammy to me. Just see the whole Amazon affiliate thing, and the cryptoshit included by default
(DIR) Post #AGc9VIJ78WCW05ZYkS by joeo10@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-02-18T22:01:46Z
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@kev Falkon (Built on KDE), Ungoogled Chromium, and Tor are the only choices if you want true privacy although Vivaldi is a very good one that's not far behind them.Also this piece is very good in choosing browsers which mention them. https://www.unixsheikh.com/articles/choose-your-browser-carefully.html
(DIR) Post #AGc9jvk5JZhMMOAPD6 by reykjalin@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T19:08:46Z
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@gray @kev I came here to recommend Orion as well. It’s been my main driver for the past several months and I really like it :)The Kagi search engine is great too!
(DIR) Post #AGc9jwVEUHPcicE3hQ by gray@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T19:17:52Z
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@reykjalin @kev I’ve not tried the search engine yet. I’ve been quite happy with Qwant for quite some time. Although I’m keeping an eye on @Mojeek too!
(DIR) Post #AGc9jx3cQQuyRGJWIS by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T22:04:19Z
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@gray @reykjalin @Mojeek coke onnnnnn can one of you fire me an invite please? 😊
(DIR) Post #AGc9pO8ZAe7BsCDjIO by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T22:05:21Z
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@reykjalin @gray never mind, Gray already sent me one. Thanks, man!
(DIR) Post #AGcA01uu7rLa8wu8dE by s0lution@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T22:07:20Z
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@mike @kev +1 for Vivaldi
(DIR) Post #AGcA6IjKWkE41hTt68 by reykjalin@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T22:08:29Z
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@kev glad you got an invite already! I don't have the ability to send one :blobcatgrimacing: I thought everyone had to sign up for the beta program. I think they usually send out invites every 1-2 weeks 🤔 @gray
(DIR) Post #AGcB3eP1aoZiKOHdMO by Crocmagnon@fosstodon.org
2022-02-18T22:19:08Z
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@kev @gray @reykjalin @Mojeek ooh I’d love to try it out too, it seems promising 😊
(DIR) Post #AGcK6ajkZrdHPnSG3s by Sulairris@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T00:00:29Z
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@kev been having webpages sent to me through USPS, yeah 51¢ per request is a bit much, but it’s really lightweight on my end
(DIR) Post #AGd59960Ux54P0aKh6 by ryo@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T08:47:41Z
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@kev Well, I read your post and I don't understand the hassle.Is it because of Google-Dollar? Or because they even speak with Meta on the ad-"problem", or is it because of crypto-blahblah (the usual bullcrap-bingo to draw $$$ from investors)?This does NOT help Firefox being an alternative to Google. I don't know but it seems that you want the absolute holy piece of purity software. Not gonna happen with browsers. Never.You mention Edge/Safari. You fear Google and consider Microsoft or Apple?
(DIR) Post #AGdAOwKGFDNJCVbQjg by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T09:46:33Z
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@ryo it’s fine, you don’t have to understand.I don’t want purity blah blah, I just want a functional browser that’s private and sustainable. At the moment Firefox fits that bill…if they stop pissing about. Google, their biggest rival, can chew them up at a moments notice. That isn’t sustainable.MS and Apple are far from perfect, but their business model isn’t based on advertising and harvesting user data.
(DIR) Post #AGdB0Oas6kLzaREU08 by ryo@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T09:53:22Z
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@kev I want to learn :)Okay, so bascially it's because you don't think Firefox will survive long-term. Correct?That makes Firefox go away. Dog bites its own tail.To make Firefox sustainable, it would be a good idea to support them and using their services. I don't want to miss Firefox Relay anymore. And if I hadn't already purchased another VPN lifetime offer, I would surely switch to Mozilla VPN.What in the world is FOSS about? Surely not about having a sustainable business plan...
(DIR) Post #AGdBpayhp3M0lUnKoS by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T10:02:31Z
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@ryo like you, I have a VPN elsewhere. Having said that, I think the way Signal have done it with their sustainer system is really good. Mozilla should (in my opinion) take some cues from them.
(DIR) Post #AGdCG5KRbOOGQPasfA by ryo@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T10:07:24Z
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@kev that would be great. I also think that Mozilla needs to do some changes in the way they deal with the problem overall.Offering services however is a good idea besides other things.But abandoning Firefox does only help to make Chrome even bigger. If Firefox is off the market or unusable, I have to use Chrome or at least Chromium. There are no other choices for me on Gnu+Linux.
(DIR) Post #AGdCo3EDuwlLkyseLw by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T10:13:30Z
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@ryo for me, it’s not so much that they’re trying different things, it’s the way they implement it.Like the plugins they decided to pump out to everyone a few years ago, or shilling their VPN EVERYWHERE inside the browser.They also drop things like a hot potato if they don’t work. They’re almost as bad a Google. So should I invest on the VPN (or whatever) if they dump it when it doesn’t work.Don’t get me started on all the lay offs. 😕
(DIR) Post #AGdCrQddKwGxEJNOTY by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T10:14:05Z
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@ryo you’re right on further empowering Chrome though. I can use Safari, so that’s something, I suppose.
(DIR) Post #AGddHrGbYJh09crsKu by benjaminradio@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T15:10:07Z
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@kev Browsers are crazy hard to implement correctly so you essentially have to have oodles of money fund one — but then you can influence the standard.Things like Gemini are refreshing, but yeah will not replace the web, and come with their own issues.At the end of the day I think you’re stuck with one of the big three, Apple, Google or Mozilla. Tor, ad blocks, etc. help but if you’re using the modern web, if just feels like a scramble to keep up.
(DIR) Post #AGdotnfQU1TfURly3U by chrism@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T17:20:20Z
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@kev Browsers are a hot mess these days. Like you, FF used to be my go-to. But the browser's future is bleak. Safari would probably be good for me, except I also use Linux quite a bit. So my current compromise is Brave. It's not perfect, but I've been impressed with the privacy features. Maybe someday, someone will make a browser I actually like again.
(DIR) Post #AGfbn7aD7zTq8vjp2G by calculsoberic@mstdn.social
2022-02-20T14:02:55Z
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@gray I filled out the form! I am definitely interested - thank you. @kev
(DIR) Post #AGfdO5jx2hAx61UF6m by SrEstegosaurio@mstdn.social
2022-02-20T14:20:46Z
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@kev if you're using Linux you can try surf from suckless.org but I recommend you using it with tabbed, another program. It's pretty minimal
(DIR) Post #AGihipcf92ayTr6Pfk by seve_py@fosstodon.org
2022-02-22T01:53:28Z
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@kev Vivaldi https://vivaldi.com/#pk_campaign=adw&pk_kwd=Bing