Post AGX3ckxtognLkYG3YO by Konani@baraag.net
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(DIR) Post #AGWyt7Xt8Btce14j1U by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T10:08:40Z
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i pay way too much attention to peoples behavior in art circles, but it makes me glad I can curate the people worth giving a shit about in a community full of sensitive pussies.
(DIR) Post #AGWzE68hYRmSMeITtA by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T10:13:08Z
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over the years ive interacted or observed artists who immediately get hostile at the most milquetoast use of "sjw", artists fish for pity as they self-flagellate on their main accounts, artists who reject other people reaching out to them because they aren't big enough, artists using artists to get attention, then drop them, artists who copy people and lie that they used another artist as "reference" to get their attention, artists spite reporting entire disc's bc one person in it had a bad take
(DIR) Post #AGWzHDHZSAYJO2vn0a by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T10:13:41Z
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To be frank, I cant stand most of you. This community is full of awful people once you sink your fangs in a bit.
(DIR) Post #AGX0Dj7lDyOowEFBPU by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T10:24:19Z
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I wasnt done by the way, I ran out of space.Artists who "befriend" bigger artists then disappear once they stop getting things from them. Artists who act like they like your art and follow back because it'll make them look bad but will disappear the moment you give them an opening to, artists who "f4f" without acknowledging you and never interact with you again. might add more if i remember, these are mostly personal experiences old and fresh, but some observed.
(DIR) Post #AGX0UoQqk7uMK6Jsgq by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T10:27:18Z
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i dont know why its so goddamn hard for people to simply think "i dont like your work so I wont follow back but will be cordial" or "I do like your work so lets try and be friends", how many of you mentally ill rejects are just here to draw for attention or money at the end of the day? what makes you different from some camwhore? do you actually care about your craft, improving, sharing your passions?
(DIR) Post #AGX2do9bLXjvyVfXdY by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T10:51:19Z
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@lunalense i simultaneously agree but i also dont believe in absolving shitty people through ignorance.
(DIR) Post #AGX3ckxtognLkYG3YO by Konani@baraag.net
2022-02-16T11:02:20Z
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@itsukarine 🤔 -wouldn't "draw for attention" and "sharing your passions" sort of be the same thing; since why would you share anything if you would not like for people to pay attention to it?if it was only for yourself, then why share anything you create?artists also may be wishing for their drawings to bring in some money, either for necessity of pleasure,the people doing it "just for fun", probably become less and less, the more money is involved, especially larger sums..
(DIR) Post #AGX4WfSDUeTysH6D0i by inu@baraag.net
2022-02-16T11:12:33Z
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@itsukarine my dad taught me to never turn my hobby into a job, because when you're forced to do something for money then you're likely to lose the sense of love and passion you once had for it.i understand why some might turn to their ability to draw for money, but its for that reason that i dont. i keep my drawings personal, mostly, avoid requests, and never accept commissions. as much as i hate the process of drawing due to my ocd, i enjoy my hobby, ultimately, and don't wish to change that.
(DIR) Post #AGX4aUxyQdhrVOmPui by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T11:13:15Z
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@Konani There is a night and day difference between a drawing from passion being shared and others enjoying it and making you feel even better about it, vs a drawing existing just for the sake of validating your existence through strangers attention. My desire to create exists independent of faceless social media users.
(DIR) Post #AGX4tKadET2YpEqGgq by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T11:16:34Z
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@PowerOfSin @lunalense Almost every example I just gave was openly scummy. What exactly did you even get from anything I wrote?And yes, sure, superficial motivations that drive fake behavior can be called "valid" if you have zero self-respect to being used by others.
(DIR) Post #AGX4yEhCZcvXzeFo8W by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T11:17:27Z
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@inu I take commissions and know what you mean. I find it doable as long as I can emotionally separate the two.
(DIR) Post #AGX5d8PqpJtYODdlB2 by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T11:24:43Z
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@Nevon I have a high quality group, I just like to vent sometimes.
(DIR) Post #AGX5iu8WpWkvqAHysa by inu@baraag.net
2022-02-16T11:25:52Z
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@itsukarine is definitely good that you can if you do that work. for me, i hyper obsess over every unimportant line, every non-existent feeling i pull from something, and it makes drawing just hell for me. i manage to hold onto my desire to draw and learn despite it, but if i had to do it more than i do, and for things i wasnt passionate about.. i feel like my dad would be on the money with what he said would happen.not to say he's 100% right, just... its a thin line to walk sometimes, ya know?
(DIR) Post #AGX6FwiUG6PBOkrcGG by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T11:31:35Z
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@PowerOfSin @lunalense I suppose, someone doesn't need to be deliberate to be make the lives of those around them worse, though. I have no obligation to forgive people for their own shortsightedness, especially when most of them never even consider apologizing down the line.
(DIR) Post #AGX6brNulMRXEUgsN6 by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T11:35:54Z
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@PowerOfSin @lunalense To add, most of these people never have to face the music. They either get big or already are big enough that their shitty behavior is enabled by their own orbiters because that's just what big artists have, or they never gave a shit from the start. I'm forgiving to people who return with remorse but basically none of them do.
(DIR) Post #AGXIBukCqfgXZaVnP6 by harrumph@baraag.net
2022-02-16T13:45:42Z
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@itsukarine not an artist so have no first hand experience with any of this, but that sounds terrible. I like to see pretty pictures made by people with talent (unlike myself). I hope... I dunno... That people stop being awful I guess.
(DIR) Post #AGXIHNnSGAiB7pdg24 by Eranwel@baraag.net
2022-02-16T13:46:40Z
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@itsukarineCould you give an example of what's the difference between a drawing out of passion vs drawing for attention grabbing? Coz so far you're acting hysterical and what you said about passion drawing vs attention drawing sounds exactly the same. Not only that, you also call this venting while talking about attention grabbing. You act as if your problems where the most important and everyone needs to hear about them
(DIR) Post #AGXJHXxIacZ6aPsxRg by Eranwel@baraag.net
2022-02-16T13:53:42Z
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@itsukarine You put everyone from this platform into one box and insult them and then scream into the same box, expecting that this will fix things and someone will pat you on the head
(DIR) Post #AGXJHYTCg05OBMoRAu by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T13:57:50Z
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@Eranwel I'm talking about art communities in general, not Baraag specifically, though some of those experiences are from Baraag artists. If you are offended by it, it sounds like the shoe fits and you should go away.As for the rest, my problems are the most important problems to me, I don't know where you're going with this, like I should care about the thousands of faceless people here being exposed to my rarely shared feelings when all they do is consume art and move onto the next artist?
(DIR) Post #AGXJe1EqOfIPmDo8gq by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T14:01:50Z
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@Eranwel As for the differences, I think my explanation was good enough. I don't doubt you can spend a few minutes questioning yourself on what your inner motivations truly are.
(DIR) Post #AGXKSddTuVY3LLT7ku by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T14:11:02Z
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@Eranwel As for your implication that venting is fishing for attention, I'm chewing on that thought, but I don't post things like this with the intent to make people interact with me. I post them to make people uncomfortable when they read it and examine themselves more closely. It sounds like it's working.
(DIR) Post #AGXLUpCTz6nXk9RlEe by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T14:22:37Z
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@PowerOfSin @lunalense There's no point in wasting time with parasites, I've already been there.I realize my words are harsh, but anyone passing by reading and getting offended seems to have a guilty conscious. They can heed what I say as a stranger or continue their path knowing I don't want to associate with them. It's a win/win for me.
(DIR) Post #AGXMHuI1qoKdiYRer2 by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T14:31:32Z
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@inu Ah, nice @ lol, didnt notice until now.But I found just posting my sketches helped me break out of that mindset some. I do sometimes still get sucked into it, but trying to capture an 'essence' in something is more important than making it perfect. If you can project the essence of a work with minimal effort, you've done your job as an artist. It's probably ironic after this thread, but just look closely at what people like, and you'll see that composition and message is more important.
(DIR) Post #AGXNDEtpteIa8zT2Ce by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T14:41:54Z
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Just for clarity I am referring to art circles in general, not the Baraag platform. This issue is worse on Twitter IMO since it draws in the normies and sociopaths who just see art as a revenue source.
(DIR) Post #AGXRonReosl9ofS1qq by Eranwel@baraag.net
2022-02-16T15:33:33Z
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@itsukarine I'm not offended by "being called out". I'm offended that you're being an entitled piece of shit, who posts things to upset people, while talking about noble values. If you're expecting a reaction out of people you dont care about, why are you doing this in the first place?Do you really think that by being a toxic ass, you will make people better? You're eighter retarded or you need to touch some grass.
(DIR) Post #AGXUave3ppnT3ZKcpU by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T16:04:38Z
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@Eranwel Lmao get filtered
(DIR) Post #AGXW7kr74SR76VeYsq by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T16:21:46Z
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@Eranwel Well, it successfully filters out people who think "don't use me" is an trait of entitlement, so I think I'll keep at it.
(DIR) Post #AGXWEwKEpD92hhhbYu by Eranwel@baraag.net
2022-02-16T16:23:04Z
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@itsukarine You're pathetic.I'm upset coz I actually care about others.Have fun in your circle jerk group of friends.
(DIR) Post #AGXWdVtKF99RxYpdCK by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-16T16:27:30Z
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@Eranwel Out of curiousity, did you unblock me just to get the last word in or are you just receiving notifs from my replies still?
(DIR) Post #AGYGR9NMK8qWBjgo4W by inu@baraag.net
2022-02-17T01:00:41Z
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@itsukarine \o/sadly for me my ocd makes it so i do things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and until what im doing 'feels' right. i hate it and it's absolute butts!
(DIR) Post #AGYxNS1dL60utq0gCG by Expunged@baraag.net
2022-02-17T09:01:42Z
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@itsukarine while I agree that the behavior of some people is irritating, I feel like my attitude in general improved significantly when I started being less anxious about online spaces. In the end, I don't know the problems of another person and I'm not willing nor able to help them, especially if I don't know them personally; not only for my own mental health, but generally because my efforts would be seen as boundary-breaking.
(DIR) Post #AGYxxvwtYsGS8BBpr6 by Expunged@baraag.net
2022-02-17T09:08:00Z
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@itsukarine that said, I don't think what you're doing is inherently wrong, especially because you seem to be concerned with the quality of this platform in a very concrete sense.
(DIR) Post #AGZ3fuzD09ddeq44y8 by Strikerdrillo@baraag.net
2022-02-17T10:12:16Z
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@itsukarine i think the same but my aproach is just to laugh at it, i have big artist friends and they are cool, i know they are my friends because we are racist to each other lmao, the racist comunity is fire, they don't care what color you are just that you are racist(we aren't actually racist ofc) , im bisexual and we laugh at homophobic jokes all the time using our nationalities as an insult, i pity the people that need to mask their true self to others to get friends, that never ends well.
(DIR) Post #AGZ9RCJIuMRulipP7Y by Strikerdrillo@baraag.net
2022-02-17T10:18:19Z
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@itsukarine still i think you are overthinking
(DIR) Post #AGZ9RCtSjvNAZrkHTs by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-17T11:17:01Z
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@Strikerdrillo Yeah ultimately I let it get to me too much, I need to figure out how retain my composure without sacrificing my values.
(DIR) Post #AGZAPzDyAyejqcJrZg by itsukarine@baraag.net
2022-02-17T11:27:44Z
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@Expunged I spoke too direct that it didn't get through that I was referring to art communities in general. I love Baraag and most of the people here even if some of those experiences were from users here. I just still mald thinking about the bad experiences because I don't like the idea of forgetting people who I feel wronged by, these days I try to cut off before getting invested.
(DIR) Post #AGZDeAm8KHNnaaktP6 by Expunged@baraag.net
2022-02-17T12:03:57Z
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@itsukarine I feel you. I struggled myself forgiving some stuff that happened to me and had to be helped by friends. "Evicting" bad interactions that lived rent free in my head was decisive in improving my mood significantly.I hope you feel better talking about this stuff. I think it's important to recognise our own feelings and discuss them.