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(DIR) Post #AG07NpR1qQUrxUfrVo by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T13:38:22Z
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Oh #Spotify, what are you doing?#moahttps://kevq.uk/oh-spotify
(DIR) Post #AG07zbIqppWz8KrOuu by mike@jergefelt.se
2022-01-31T13:45:20Z
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@kev Switched to Apple Music in 2015 when Spotify changed their privacy policy to collect more data. The client took some getting used to (might be worse), but no regrets. :)
(DIR) Post #AG08f1XWC17kNTTNJ2 by pyre35@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T13:52:50Z
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@kev in my mind, it's simple math. Joe Rogan is massively popular, and for good reason, whether one likes him or not. there are no doubt countless, indeed millions of people, that only started listening to spotify cause the is on their platform.
(DIR) Post #AG09LGz3A8JKRHUqKO by stardot@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T14:00:48Z
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@kev I don't like what Joe Rogan puts on his podcast either, so I just don't listen to Joe Rogan. Switching services is just choosing one evil over another.
(DIR) Post #AG0AKrUy12QjLtnF9E by werwolf@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T14:11:09Z
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@kev Rogan is stupid. But censorship isn't the solution.Spotify is certainly harmful and it should be abandoned, but for other reasons.Anyway, it's clear the reason why Spotify doesn't ban Rogan, and that reason isn't free of speech. It's that Rogan gives them money.
(DIR) Post #AG0AwZ4YyGVZD3QAaW by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T14:18:28Z
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@pyre35 yeah, he’s definitely a moneymaker for them.
(DIR) Post #AG0B38HkxntU9pix9s by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T14:19:46Z
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@werwolf yeah, you’re right RE Rogan.Genuinely interested as I’ve clearly missed something here - why are Spotify harmful?
(DIR) Post #AG0BqCdDaqZ3pJA2wi by nebunez@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T14:27:19Z
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@kevI agree that there are (+ will be) plenty of people pirating music for download, but there are also legitimate ways to buy music for download. And this rewards the artist more than streaming their music on any platform. The problem is that the companies with the resources to make the best products always make products that are most convenient for the audience, but benefit themselves more than the artists. They take advantage of artists in this way, so as an artist, I don't use them.
(DIR) Post #AG0BuT3EUIEnuRMY9A by CanisMajoris@mastodon.social
2022-01-31T14:28:03Z
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@kev Regarding people silently abandoning the boycott, this was proven with the whole Blizzard/Hong-Kong debacle. Redditors deleted their accounts in droves, only to spam Blizzard support because they couldn't reinstate them a few months later when they wanted to play some new game. You can find tons of posts about in on Reddit, which is hilarious. On an unrelated note, this also happens with veganism and often from people who defend it most fervently.
(DIR) Post #AG0CbCxADNy0R0u7bE by werwolf@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T14:37:21Z
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@kev It's incredibly privacy invasive, they collect everything about you. https://web.archive.org/web/20160313214751/http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/21/spotify_worse_than_the_nsa/It also gives very little money to artists.And Spotify can even tell whether users are happy or sad, based on what they listen to.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/16/spotify-can-tell-if-youre-sad-heres-why-that-should-scare-you
(DIR) Post #AG0DiNRQsoiCWI3bl2 by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2022-01-31T14:50:01Z
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@werwolf @kev I don't know why he doesn't just use LBRY/Odysee. It seems like everyone else is switching too it. Not just political dissidents.
(DIR) Post #AG0DlKBpQfxvItAELI by kriive@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T14:50:19Z
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@kev There will always be someone on the Internet (or irl: we just might not hear them) we don't agree with. I don't like Joe Rogan, but every time I see someone trying to boycott something, my fingertips start to itch.Adding to your excellent points I feel that boycotting or, as the cool kids say, cancelling the platform which is currently under the Internet angry-fire, is just plain wrong, as it perpetrates the idea that there's is one "right" and allowed opinion or idea, which is plain scary
(DIR) Post #AG0Ds2iqlrYl9loTZI by shebang@freespeech.group
2022-01-31T14:51:48.701694Z
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@xianc78 @werwolf @kev Odysee has been reasonably decent, and doesn't have the same shit-tier reputation that bitchute does.
(DIR) Post #AG0DxkRjdMD4DCWo2S by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2022-01-31T14:52:49Z
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@shebang @kev @werwolf That's because it's just a web-client for the LBRY protocol. BitChute is an over-glorified torrent tracker.
(DIR) Post #AG0E39Si3N2ZFEYoZE by shebang@freespeech.group
2022-01-31T14:53:48.270726Z
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@xianc78 @kev @werwolf Yes I know, but that doesn't really matter in either case. The point is Odysee -- while it has a few warts in terms of video quality -- isn't usually regarded as toxic like Bitchute often is.
(DIR) Post #AG0E9hITAY5Tv2tMyO by mcduquesne@poa.st
2022-01-31T14:55:00.648642Z
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@xianc78 @shebang @kev @werwolf Bitchute hasn’t used torrents in several years.PeerTube is the over glorified torrent tracker, but it’s got aspirations and some talented frogs.
(DIR) Post #AG0ENocEkqoEfjs0lU by kytta@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T14:56:22Z
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@kev I've been thinking to switch back to #Deezer; I still like their app more, and now their library is bigger that the one of #Spotify 😜
(DIR) Post #AG0F2Xq22P9eVikBKC by Macroz@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T15:02:25Z
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@kev I left Spotify after over 10 years of paying for them. I chose not to buy from the others so far, because I don't know if they are much better, but we'll see. It is important to take a stance on moral matters. Funding JRE is irresponsible and the warning is just lip service. We know what sort of people the Spotify leadership is and such people don't need any more money.
(DIR) Post #AG0G4a2MvtvZrd35jE by Macroz@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T15:16:24Z
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@pyre35 @kev A lot of problems we have in the world are due to people just calculating and acting upon a short term profit for themselves. I will just take my money elsewhere.
(DIR) Post #AG0GMX0OwYg9fpgjgW by punkscience@linernotes.club
2022-01-31T15:19:25Z
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@kev I mostly listen to Youtube Music because it's the only one that allows me to upload my own collection of indie music. But I am sticking with Spotify as well because they did exactly what they should have done in this circumstance -- continued providing the service they provide.
(DIR) Post #AG0GXysTeiD5IrRQuG by punkscience@linernotes.club
2022-01-31T15:21:22Z
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@werwolf @kev I don't buy the "doesn't give artists very much money" argument anymore. The artsits who are popular and do well make a lot of money from Spotify. The *real* issue is that they don't make the absolute killing they did slinging physical media in record stores in the 80s and 90s.
(DIR) Post #AG0GaNPvOCu5zSEEaW by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T15:21:54Z
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@kev Meh, never been a podcast guy and I've never had a Spotify account. In the future, I'll continue to not do both.
(DIR) Post #AG0HjY7l3BV1l2fXRw by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T15:34:03Z
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@bob I listen on occasion. I won't say never. Late Night Linux and Linux Unplugged. Sometimes How to Fix the Internet. I would NEVER listen to Rogan's show purely based on the fact that the stupid thing is 2-4 hours long. If something runs over 30 minutes, I don't have the time to invest in that. I really have to stretch to get Linux Unplugged sometimes. @kev
(DIR) Post #AG0IgySMn4x8Vme12W by binyamin@mas.to
2022-01-31T15:45:40Z
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@kev > If we keep boycotting all these services, there will be none left for us to use.I feel very strongly about this. There will always be people you don't like; that doesn't mean they're enemies. That applies for both Spotify and Joe Rogan.Furthermore, it's the people *not* like you, who make life interesting. Rabbi Lord Jonathon Sacks gave a TED talk about this. The relevant part is from 4:00 to 6:00. He touches upon the current state of the web, as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMVgX8cXsHA&t=239s
(DIR) Post #AG0IkoSxsOqYgYkr0y by binyamin@mas.to
2022-01-31T15:46:05Z
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@kev > If we keep boycotting all these services, there will be none left for us to use.I feel very strongly about this. There will always be people you don't like; that doesn't mean they're enemies. That applies for both Spotify and Joe Rogan.Furthermore, it's the people *not* like you, who make life interesting. Rabbi Lord Jonathan Sacks gave a TED talk about this. The relevant part is from 4:00 to 6:00. He touches upon the current state of the web, as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMVgX8cXsHA&t=239s
(DIR) Post #AG0JPgPiifuTaIj2lU by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T15:52:58Z
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@bob That's one of the big reasons that I've never gotten into Podcasts like some. It seems like things started out OK, but now it's just another vector to throw ads at you. It's like a radio show with more tracking.@kev
(DIR) Post #AG0JnpcE9wPD4b5fay by splatt9990@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T15:58:02Z
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@kev FWIW, if you *do* end up cutting over from Spotify to Apple Music, there's this useful tool: https://soundiiz.com/It's a proprietary service but so is Spotify and Apple Music so 🤷Disclaimer: I've not used said service, I just know of its existence.
(DIR) Post #AG0Kobn78xfkRQ7JuS by utahcon@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T16:09:27Z
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@mike @kev 100% with you on the Spotify, but the podcast thing you may want to reconsider. There are some GREAT podcasts out there.
(DIR) Post #AG0L1E9ULQDitGbELw by Tay0@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T16:11:30Z
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@kevIf you don't like Joe Rogan, don't listen to him. Kinda simple. I'm enjoying the entertainment of the issue. Like that Neil Young took down his statement and got quiet but now all these other artists have joined him and he can't walk it back. He stands to lose some serious coin as his discography is torrented for free by his (un)loving fans. Try not to become part of the entertainment.😃
(DIR) Post #AG0LDTsPhs8n8OSKFk by Tay0@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T16:13:26Z
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@mikeGet off my lawn.😃@kev
(DIR) Post #AG0MJFmL8S2N6NvoAa by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T16:26:15Z
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@utahcon I've actively tried to do it in the past, but I have to put time aside to just listen. If I try to listen while I'm doing something else, it fades into static and I don't even realize when it's over and I can't remember a single thing that was said. Requiring dedicated time runs into other arguably more important things that require my time as well. @kev
(DIR) Post #AG0Mf5mqxsyGU4aKx6 by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T16:29:58Z
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@Tay0 I expect the "got quiet" part was more from his management company than anything else. Young has been involved in politics for decades and decades, and has never been shy before. The dude is 76 and worth north of $200 million. If he never makes another dime in his life, it's not a big deal at this point. @kev
(DIR) Post #AG0NJjJDRUbUdu6FcW by tobtobxx@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T16:36:46Z
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@kev You don't seem to know how Spotify's podcasts work. When you register a podcast, you don't upload episodes to Spotify, instead you create an RSS service which serves the episodes and you register that RSS feed against Spotify (yes, surprisingly open).So Spotify isn't at all the owner of the podcasts, you could say they distribute it, but even that is a far stretch for an integrated RSS ~reader~ listener.
(DIR) Post #AG0Nc3baigIGnrQxyi by utahcon@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T16:40:08Z
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@mike @kev totally feel that
(DIR) Post #AG0O1mTx0Qu3E37t0i by randynose@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T16:45:14Z
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@mike @kev Hmm.. Kinda like this? 🤔
(DIR) Post #AG0OOhDQkj1PYJKG2q by splitcells@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T16:49:17Z
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@kev I don't logically get the "But Kev, you could download all your music and have it locally!"-part.Even if most downloaders are pirates, you can still buy and download music.If you download music, you do not have to pirate it.
(DIR) Post #AG0TEJobOqI1qtaEym by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T17:43:07Z
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@kev Not going to be joining a boycott, I already left months ago for different reasons including that I never really liked the user experience. :)And a good point about pirating; I suppose I technically am, but all my favorite artists are dead, so... 🤷 If I ever do listen to contemporary artists, I'll figure out some way to buy from them directly.
(DIR) Post #AG0YZZUWoJYKK69D4y by Tay0@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T16:06:48Z
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@punkscienceMost artists don't make much from Spotify. Artists like Neil Young, with long careers and a huge catalog, make decent bucks. They are the exception.@werwolf @kev
(DIR) Post #AG0YZa66YbbuCdjDeK by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T18:43:29Z
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@Tay0 isn’t that the case in all forms of the music industry though? And most industries Full stop. If you don’t sell a lot of your product, you won’t make much money. @punkscience @werwolf
(DIR) Post #AG0YwxDekzcaZfPD5k by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T18:47:40Z
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@kriive couldn’t agree more!
(DIR) Post #AG0Z5NNHOdTy0fvGYy by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T18:49:09Z
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@mike 😂😂😂😂
(DIR) Post #AG0ZJMTHYERLGMOnmy by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T18:51:15Z
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@mike @utahcon yeah, me too. I exclusively listen to podcasts when I’m either walking the dog, or commuting. I should add, that’s always on PocketCasts, not Spotify.
(DIR) Post #AG0ZRyarhHnboW3OkK by Danbert8@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T18:52:59Z
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@kev this isn't Rogan's fault. He didn't issue the ultimatum. Neil Young did and Spotify called on his all-in. Rogan has the bigger audience and won. Even if you disagree with him, are you that afraid of his podcast being listened to by others?If I was a publisher, I would strongly hesitate to set a precedent of kicking people off based on other contributors ultimatum.
(DIR) Post #AG0ZWg3I3sRZkwahxA by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T18:53:19Z
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@Tay0 I don’t listen to Joe Rogan. I dont listen to podcasts on Spotify at all.
(DIR) Post #AG0ZqiDrhWsSHP5grw by kev@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T18:56:00Z
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@tobtobxx I disagree. What you’re talking about is the technicalities of how someone like Joe add an episode to Spotify. That’s different than ownership.As I understand it, Joe sold the rights to his podcast to Spotify for an obscene amount of money, who now own the exclusive rights to his content.
(DIR) Post #AG0ZuErmmwLGOLReMK by werwolf@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T18:58:08Z
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@kev @Tay0 @punkscience for small and medium artists it's much better to sell their albums through something like Bandcamp or physically.
(DIR) Post #AG0aAbczvgblcPKfj6 by Tay0@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T19:01:27Z
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@werwolfAgreed but they also get some revenue from Spotify. Having been a starving musician (in the loosest sense of that term) I feel for them. Hard to gig. They need revenue. Some of the best musicians I have known worked day jobs to eak out a living.@kev @punkscience
(DIR) Post #AG0aVxF0le7QjQID9k by Tay0@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T19:03:09Z
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@kevI don't listen to any on amazon or spotify. I understand the content makers desire to make coin but I draw the line.
(DIR) Post #AG0aalIAcZiD7W3wS8 by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T19:05:04Z
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@kev When I do listen, it's when I'm out walking. I tried the commute thing, but going to work is only about 30 minutes and I hate stopping in the middle and then starting again later. Coming home, I needed to decompress, so I usually prefer some music for that trip. These days, I work full time from home, so my commute is seconds long. I use Podcast Addict when I do listen.@utahcon
(DIR) Post #AG0dC7FEAHYlpNcqlk by Danbert8@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T19:34:29Z
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@mike @kev @utahcon I can do podcasts on long boring highway drives, but not if I am watching directions or in an urban area. I mostly listen to them while mowing... A completely mindless but lengthy task.
(DIR) Post #AG0jjbfieoUzTfMzMu by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T20:48:07Z
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@Danbert8 That would be perfect, but I only do long distance drives with my family, and they are NOT into the same kind of things I am.@kev @utahcon
(DIR) Post #AG0kLqfLMI0Mz6QfSa by utahcon@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T20:50:14Z
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@Danbert8 @mike @kev I need a bigger yard :D I have less than 700sqft of grass
(DIR) Post #AG0kLrHd3wd6tqLF8S by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T20:55:26Z
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@utahcon Heh, I literally have no grass. None.@Danbert8 @kev
(DIR) Post #AG0ntjlPpILtHp7W9w by sotolf@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T21:35:00Z
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@mike @kev @utahcon pa is a great application :)
(DIR) Post #AG0qElyR0Leg88Msr2 by Danbert8@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T22:01:12Z
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@mike @kev @utahcon my wife isn't either, but she's usually asleep after about 20 mins in the car. 😜
(DIR) Post #AG0qQBofGOWNSrF4vA by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-01-31T22:02:30Z
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@Danbert8 My wife was like that once upon a time. Then kids. Now no one sleeps in the car unless all them do first.@kev @utahcon
(DIR) Post #AG17ytg2OWwIYyLIp6 by rcode3@fosstodon.org
2022-02-01T01:20:00Z
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@kev Isn’t everyone spreading COVID misinformation?
(DIR) Post #AG1dAZae05ycJnrq2i by epical@fosstodon.org
2022-02-01T07:09:44Z
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Yeah let's stop professionals from talking, that's too scientific method for us, we are more about believing, like a religion, a cult, we don't like science wen it doesn't work for us, let's censor anyone that talks about facts before the TV does, everyone knows that's where the absolute truth comes from.
(DIR) Post #AG1dQY5jL95EIu1dwW by epical@fosstodon.org
2022-02-01T07:12:02Z
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Yeah let's stop professionals from talking, that's too scientific method for us, we are more about believing, like a religion, a cult, we don't like science wen it doesn't work for us, let's censor anyone that talks about facts before the TV does, everyone knows that's where the absolute truth comes from.