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(DIR) Post #AFkdp8kdG3fUtaXAxs by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T02:27:14Z
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Can liberals and conservatives coexist in the same nation?@sim @freedompatriot @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @wjmaggos @rikkatakarada @p @coyote @dew_the_dew @alex
(DIR) Post #AFkdriqA3B9zP4LqnQ by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-24T02:27:38.819500Z
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@amerika @sim @freedompatriot @ChristiJunior @wjmaggos @rikkatakarada @p @coyote @dew_the_dew @alex Without jews to make shit worse, yea.
(DIR) Post #AFke7xCyOl9gb8lH1M by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-24T02:30:37.874729Z
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@amerika @sim @freedompatriot @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @wjmaggos @rikkatakarada @p @dew_the_dew @alex depends on the divide between them. If there is some sort of commonality between the people and we all leave each other alone it seems it could work, but even thinking about it, it sounds like a pipe dream.In today’s divided world, I don’t think we could.
(DIR) Post #AFkeIIaXlJsdnrieFk by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T02:32:30Z
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@coyote @sim @dew_the_dew @alex @rikkatakarada @ChristiJunior @freedompatriot @Crankenstein @p @wjmaggos What happens when Leftists want to use public tax money for Leftist-specific programs like welfare, social security, medicare, etc?
(DIR) Post #AFkfNvkRh8CyenbGK0 by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-24T02:44:43.600787Z
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@amerika @sim @dew_the_dew @alex @rikkatakarada @ChristiJunior @freedompatriot @Crankenstein @p @wjmaggos let’s say they did, but at state level, and left the feds and states alone, probably not much. They’re never satisfied with just that though, no one ever is.
(DIR) Post #AFkk1hFVQ8rb5aLUBc by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T03:36:45.041807Z
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@amerika @sim @freedompatriot @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @wjmaggos @rikkatakarada @coyote @dew_the_dew @alex Depends on what you mean, but every civilization that lasts more than one generation has people that want to change things and people that want to keep them the same: you need some amount of stability to have a civilization (by definition), but you need some amount of change to avoid stagnation and death.The ones that cannot coexist, the ones we have today, are the ones that don't think their philosophy has limits, that it should reach to the bottom of everything and up to the top. That's the kind of thing that gets Mao to dig up a dead emperor to denounce him. If everyone understands that we all have to mind our own business, we get to have a society, and the question is where the line is.So in terms of our current political situation, we have some radicals and some reactionaries, both of which think there's nowhere for their philosophy to stop applying, right down to the "few cubic centimeters" that Orwell wrote an entire novel to explain that you don't really own. Both groups explicitly push that no matter what your goals are, if you have the wrong opinion about the necessity of those goals, you cannot cooperate to achieve that goal. Worse, if you don't have the right opinion, you can't cooperate. Either everyone calms down or we have a war, but nobody's calming down, and the "with us or against us" mentality persists.coexistorelse.png
(DIR) Post #AFltmKIjYBoIuOeRBg by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-24T17:00:43.304275Z
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@amerika In a decaying nation? They seem to coexist right now, yes. Liberals want to rush into progress and don't want to be held back, but the conservatives want to preserve their way of life and to take things slower so we don't rush into progress thus potentially making things worse for the nation. I'm not sure how compatible they are in one person. You tend to believe in one or the other, and then conflict ensues between these ideas.
(DIR) Post #AFlvLIdroKwLqumCno by Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
2022-01-24T17:18:13Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I didn't interpret @amerika's statement as "my ideology must be supreme over the entire human world". I interpreted it as "peaceful seperation will make an end to the strife".
(DIR) Post #AFly1OUMfAEM3ZX1iC by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T17:48:16Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot This deserves a good reply, and I haven't been around to do it."If everyone understands that we all have to mind our own business, we get to have a society, and the question is where the line is."I disagree because this supposes that an external force maintains and subsidizes social order."We all mind our own business" has limits. Corruption? Pedophilia? Incompetence?
(DIR) Post #AFly7XXNvu1vrGsJoe by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T17:49:22Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Someone must decide the questions: how is society ordered, who gets the power, what is done with it, how is money taken and allocated or incetivized, what is our foreign policy, etc.Libertarianism breaks down outside the white suburb, in other words.Societies require order, direction, and YES/NO hard answers.
(DIR) Post #AFlyAk4tlQUBcY4sXg by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T17:49:57Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "The ones that cannot coexist, the ones we have today, are the ones that don't think their philosophy has limits, that it should reach to the bottom of everything and up to the top."I'm not sure I agree here either. A good philosophy will reach everything.The problem with Mao is that he was a Communist, and that's an unstable philosophy.
(DIR) Post #AFlyEKRF28GbG8ErBo by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T17:50:35Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Unstable philosophies -- I'm also looking at you, National Socialism -- encourage abuse.Stable philosophies reach from bottom to top because they're consistent. However they tend not to be ideologies.
(DIR) Post #AFlyJ7ovNGgPZabSq0 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T17:51:28Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "Both groups explicitly push that no matter what your goals are, if you have the wrong opinion about the necessity of those goals, you cannot cooperate to achieve that goal."Seems to me they are right: the two want different things.Radicals and reactionaries cannot share a society as far as I can tell.The question is whether this applies to moderates too.
(DIR) Post #AFlyOK7r3D9VBXw836 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T17:52:24Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "you need some amount of stability to have a civilization (by definition), but you need some amount of change to avoid stagnation and death."I question this also, since it seems like a false dichotomy to me."Change" is not necessarily what radicals bring.Change is also natural life.... so we don't need a pro-change party.
(DIR) Post #AFlyS9dbzCNNofcKx6 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T17:53:05Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "every civilization that lasts more than one generation has people that want to change things and people that want to keep them the same"I wonder here when we ask whether the people who want change-for-the-sake-of-change are not simply attention stunting.This also applies to people who want to, for example, make abortion illegal.
(DIR) Post #AFlyUx2PI00HbfY57Q by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T17:53:36Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot By its nature, abortion is a medical procedure between you and your doctor.Yes, we all know that Planned Parenthood is a scam, but abortion is not solely coming from that source.
(DIR) Post #AFlyZJtEGggZdgL4wC by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T17:54:24Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot OK on to the big point:'both of which think there's nowhere for their philosophy to stop applying, right down to the "few cubic centimeters" that Orwell wrote an entire novel to explain that you don't really own.'The same is true of "mind your own business": its implications touch everything.OK, that's all the amping I wanted to do. You introduced the major issues brilliantly.
(DIR) Post #AFlyfd3Lvs6ooJ5BVA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T17:55:32Z
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@Hyolobrika @p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot One of the interesting things about science is that it is supremacy. If something becomes declared truth, the scientists believe it applies the same way everywhere.I do not... even to the point of invoking relativism and saying that it is not truthfully the same everywhere.
(DIR) Post #AFlyv7rBgeO4grmXSa by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T17:58:20Z
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@sim "Liberals want to rush into progress and don't want to be held back, but the conservatives want to preserve their way of life and to take things slower so we don't rush into progress thus potentially making things worse for the nation."I wonder. I think conservatives seek to conserve, which means endorsing active change that turns out well in reality, which is the opposite of humanism.Today's article hits on this:https://www.amerika.org/politics/when-the-wisdom-of-crowds-became-madness/
(DIR) Post #AFlywl5BKeasdW6dnM by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T17:58:37Z
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@sim Feel free to comment, by the way. Often Disqus discussion is more open than the Fedi.
(DIR) Post #AFlz3ZbiOZMX4cZa5o by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T17:59:52Z
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@Hyolobrika @p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I mean, we're all dancing around the idea that at the end of the day, any concept, even "mind your own business," is:1. Applies to all things and influences all aspects of life, like totalitarianism but indirectly in cases of soft power.2. Displaces any other alternatives, unless personally subsidized while also subsidizing the dominant system.3. Will influence the world.
(DIR) Post #AFlznGtkHu6WMvnU12 by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-24T18:08:07.762496Z
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@amerika I wonder what makes humanism something that endorses change that doesn't turn out well in reality. But I think you are right that even conservatives endorse active change, you can't really avoid change and conflict. But you can try to make decisions about that while keeping in mind what matters, this is what is being conserved. On saying that, we seem to have lost sight of this when blending liberalism and conservatism like the current conservative party seem to have in the UK.
(DIR) Post #AFm2SBcF22cPldFNom by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T18:37:56.390854Z
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@Hyolobrika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot @amerika > I didn't interpret @amerika's statement as "my ideology must be supreme over the entire human world".Neither did I. I was talking about totalizing philosophies.
(DIR) Post #AFm3fAPYvBpZka4Ozw by xue@shitposter.club
2022-01-24T18:51:29.153936Z
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@p @Hyolobrika @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos my philosophy are cute dog-girls
(DIR) Post #AFm4qf3pPL8RwnwtI8 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T19:04:46.377990Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > This deserves a good replyI'm flattered.> I disagree because this supposes that an external force maintains and subsidizes social order.It doesn't rely on an external force. My neighbor's dog broke her screen and jumped through the window to try to get at my dog. The cops aren't what holds me back from shooting my neighbor's dog. The cops didn't make her apologize. People, for the most part, want to live in peace and pursue their goals. The problem is people that won't do so and that will try to use an external force to compel other people to behave in a way that they like.> "We all mind our own business" has limits. Corruption? Pedophilia? Incompetence?If someone's incompetent or corrupt but it doesn't affect me, I don't care.Pedophilia's different: you see someone getting their ass beat down in the street, you see someone getting mugged, hopefully you intervene. People will intervene in rape or abuse, people will intervene if someone's beating a dog or setting a cat on fire, so what should you do if it's a child? A child's defenseless, a child's valuable, and a child is not a self-governing entity: those are the criteria for intervening. A cockroach is defenseless and self-governing but not valuable, so people won't stop me from poisoning them. An armed man may or may not be valuable but is certainly not defenseless and is self-governing, you don't need to protect that guy. A *drunken* armed man is temporarily not self-governing, you should probably stop that guy."Mind your own business" is a principle, not a law. It's glib, so it's not the entire story. The full picture is more like a series of overlapping thresholds: what behavior you will accept or tolerate in yourself, in your friends, in your family, in your coworkers, neighborhood, city. Some behavior you will tolerate going on in your city but you'll prevent a family member from engaging in. The question is where the line is, and it's entirely reasonable to say that you won't tolerate child abuse anywhere.
(DIR) Post #AFm7gw1Dnrs3VZmd3Q by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T19:36:37.822305Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Libertarianism breaks down outside the white suburb, in other words.I'm not a libertarian and I don't presume a suburb, white or otherwise. I'm from LA, where I currently reside, but I've lived in rural areas, and either is more tolerable than suburbia but I've been there. Nice parts of the city, bad parts of the city, anywhere in the countryside, the constant is that you have to create order and manage yourself, bolster people you care about. It is a false hope to expect a stranger to maintain order, and society collapses if too many people trust in such a thing or expect that strangers will take care of them.So you have Appalachia, right? Not a paradise, but not a place the government tended to intervene until the 70s, 80s. It's largely self-governing even today. Things go of the rails, certainly, like anywhere. I've lived there, and to the chagrin of Hatfields and McCoys, their family history is a cautionary tale children hear. (And, although they don't seem to like being a cautionary tale, I did never see a Hatfield and a McCoy in the same neighborhood.)So what are the constants between Los Angeles and Appalachia? There are some, sure; what if we try to include Memphis and Montana? We keep whittling them down. The broader the area, the fewer things you can say, for certain, should not be tolerated. That's law: the boundary of the tolerable. "No matter who does this or where, this is when strangers intervene." It holds up as long as the scope is narrow enough: the more lives a ruleset has to apply to, the smaller the ruleset can be. Society largely organizes itself, that's human nature.
(DIR) Post #AFmARPtZFsG1OjUlbk by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2022-01-24T20:07:25.473458Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot The law does not stop bad people from doing bad things. It provides codification of punishment and procedures for same. At _best_ it provides a deterrent, nothing more. The law has no effect or hold on good people. They were going to be good regardless of the law.
(DIR) Post #AFmBEUVKuHyJsmYsoS by Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
2022-01-24T20:16:16Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot What if the law starts dettering good people from engaging in things they want to engage in, like consensual or fictional pornography, or free, non-harmful speech?
(DIR) Post #AFmBTiFM6064qaLRxo by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2022-01-24T20:19:02.502900Z
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@Hyolobrika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Then you probably have an example of an unjust law or a law making a non-crime a "crime"
(DIR) Post #AFmBVczsaJQR931GrY by Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
2022-01-24T20:19:22Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot >If someone's incompetent or corrupt but it doesn't affect me, I don't care.You should care, IMO. Not everyone has the capacity to stick up for themselves.>A child's defenseless, a child's valuable, and a child is not a self-governing entity: those are the criteria for intervening.Are you saying only creatures that are valuable to you have moral worth? Seriously bad take there.
(DIR) Post #AFmBZI3yMIZxNTgFG5 by Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
2022-01-24T20:20:02Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Which would be an example of a law that has an effect on good people.
(DIR) Post #AFmBhe1ObMIvnUSV9s by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2022-01-24T20:21:33.698928Z
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@Hyolobrika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Sure, that's fair
(DIR) Post #AFmDT99clhn7uzWR28 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T20:41:22.116217Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I'm not sure I agree here either. A good philosophy will reach everything.Absolutely not. The problem with Lysenkoism wasn't that it was communist, the problem with Lysenkoism is that an ideology tried to intervene in facts, which exist beyond the scope of ideology. Communism is terrible in part because it doesn't recognize a boundary.So you have people like Zeynep Tufekci saying retarded shit like "You have to integrate ethics into the computer science curriculum from the first moment you teach students here's a variable, here's an array, and look, we can sort things. When you run your first qsort, you've encountered ethical and ontological questions." Of course, by "ethics" she means her own ideology: she doesn't recognize a limit. You've got this back to every totalizing philosophy, absurd questions like "Is it counter-revolutionary to own a cat?" You end up with things like Lysenkoism or Deutsche Physik, you distort your view of the natural world unless you recognize that ideology is concerned with "ought" and its boundary is "is", at the very minimum. (Of course, there's a mind, it's not going to be objective, but you can't just throw up your hands and give up on trying to get as close to objectivity as you can when trying to understand math, physics, biology, etc.)
(DIR) Post #AFmDvd8Gu62H0CTI6i by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T20:46:30.973758Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos > Stable philosophies reach from bottom to top because they're consistent. However they tend not to be ideologies.Maybe we're talking at cross-purposes, then. I don't think any body of philosophy (that is, a school of thought on metaphysics) is suitable for reasoning about the natural world. The abstract, hypothetical, etc., which is distinct from the physical: Newton's laws of motion don't tell you how to treat people, and your thoughts on how to treat people do not make a difference to Newton's laws.
(DIR) Post #AFmEaMu697bSXjGdiC by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T20:53:51Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I think the "live and let live / mind your own business" approach is closest to what we now know as classical liberalism or libertarianism.That is the point of comparison."The broader the area, the fewer things you can say, for certain, should not be tolerated."An interesting point. Nature loves variation."Society largely organizes itself, that's human nature."I cannot agree here.
(DIR) Post #AFmFAAFQg69niTJVXE by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T21:00:20.882578Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Seems to me they are right: the two want different things.I was criticizing the ideological puritanism. It's like the loli question, to borrow an example from fedi: people want to argue what's in the head of someone that looks at a drawing and what the person might do. I had banned people for loli and that didn't get the loli-arguers off my back because I didn't do it for the "right" reason, I didn't have the opinion they approved of.You've got examples of that in politics all over, I'm sure you see it. There's no pragmatism: "We may not agree philosophically, but we both agree on the course of action, so we can cooperate on that." I say it's my few cubic centimeters, goddammit, and I'll talk about why and what I think but it's outside anyone else's jurisdiction and the rest is a Spartan Border.¹¹ Someone must have used that phrase to mean that thing. An Athenian was talking to a Spartan guard and asked, mocking the lack of empire, where Sparta's border was. He extended his spear and said "About there." So I mean to say that, outside my head, my jurisdiction is whatever I can personally guard. So the room I'm in right now, that's my jurisdiction: I decide what happens in this room. FSE, as long as I pay the hosting company, is my jurisdiction, to the extent that I can guard it from interference by the government or the hosting company or whoever.
(DIR) Post #AFmFHbbLNQbYZw71CC by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:01:40Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "It doesn't rely on an external force."I disagree. Someone had to set up the society, neighborhoods, roads, technologies, etc. that you use.The "bourgeois" approach of the libertarians falls short here, and in considering (a) long-term planning and (b) dealing with threats.The society you describe would not last long.
(DIR) Post #AFmFKpY3yioihg7Dqi by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:02:16Z
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@Hyolobrika @wolfie @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot And hence the relevance of "corrupt and incompetent" people, whether in power or merely as voters.There are no victimless crimes... in fact, there are no victimless acts whatsoever.
(DIR) Post #AFmFPvhYWqAjEczGW8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:03:10Z
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@Hyolobrika @p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "Are you saying only creatures that are valuable to you have moral worth?"I think he's being honest here. None of us are jumping into the sewage-and-shark-filled lake to save a pedophile, but we might do it to save a high-IQ child.
(DIR) Post #AFmFRrYqtSVmyNq0bw by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:03:32Z
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@Hyolobrika @p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Also I think "valuable" here exists in the context of valuable for civilization, at least in his usage, not valuable as in ass peddlin'
(DIR) Post #AFmFXHXjijGT0DtrWK by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:04:30Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot To follow up the "not only are there no victimless crimes, there are no victimless acts" statements, I will also say that all philosophies are totalizing, although not all micromanage in a centralized control (per WSB) context.
(DIR) Post #AFmFgXSFvlwQxRkafY by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:06:10Z
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@sim "I wonder what makes humanism something that endorses change that doesn't turn out well in reality."It's a contra-reality philosophy: only humans matter, which means "ignore reality and gods."
(DIR) Post #AFmFnEzwwyTlk7hrIu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:07:23Z
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@sim Everyone is trying to find a way to be part of the system and still be conservative.They can't, and they know it.Modernity is just insane error and evil."But I think you are right that even conservatives endorse active change, you can't really avoid change and conflict."Very true. They come, we choose the realistic ones instead of the humanistic novelties. Simple enough.
(DIR) Post #AFmGNkiWUtliXgxuSm by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:13:59Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "I was criticizing the ideological puritanism."As I see it, a lack of ideological clarity and consistency got us here with the Uniparty."We may not agree philosophically, but we both agree on the course of action, so we can cooperate on that."But that's the point: the two groups may want different civilizations in the end.
(DIR) Post #AFmGPbqISpJlb6UF2u by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:14:20Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot " So the room I'm in right now, that's my jurisdiction: I decide what happens in this room. FSE, as long as I pay the hosting company, is my jurisdiction, to the extent that I can guard it from interference by the government or the hosting company or whoever."I think that's the rub, as they say: nothing has singular jurisdiction.
(DIR) Post #AFmGT6v5NN5OqnOd8a by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:14:57Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I am, as you know, gay for the Greeks and their study of cause/effect.Jurisdictions overlap in real life because authorities have different domains.Without civilization, we have no personal jurisdiction, and nothing we does lasts.
(DIR) Post #AFmGXtMdCezwFwYoAS by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:15:48Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "I don't think any body of philosophy (that is, a school of thought on metaphysics) is suitable for reasoning about the natural world."Depends on the meaning of metaphysics. If a study of pattern cause-consequence, it's of ultimate relevance to the real world because it predicts outcomes.Then again, that's a realist not humanist opinion.
(DIR) Post #AFmGdRLoGijv70p0e8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:16:50Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "Communism is terrible in part because it doesn't recognize a boundary."The rest of the parts: Communism is terrible because it does not work and also crushes people."The problem with Lysenkoism wasn't that it was communist, the problem with Lysenkoism is that an ideology tried to intervene in facts, which exist beyond the scope of ideology."Ideology is by nature conjectural belief!
(DIR) Post #AFmGg9jMEjOlKh8Bfs by Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
2022-01-24T21:17:18Z
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@amerika @p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > To follow up the "not only are there no victimless crimes, there are no victimless acts" statementsWhere did you say that? Is the thread missing context? Did it split off from another one? I assumed that you just decided to tag a bunch of people. Was that a wrong assumption?
(DIR) Post #AFmGhjWIerBQcZm8vY by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:17:36Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot But, as you note, realism is not an ideology.All of the ideologies being mentioned here as dangerous are humanist.Philosophy describes how the world works and what actions produce what outcomes.At that point, the moral question falls on us to design a civ and choose outcomes.
(DIR) Post #AFmGy9FTs1mImpqyvo by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:20:34Z
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@Hyolobrika @p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot You assume correctly. I sort of assembled a "Firing Line" or "MacNeil-Lehrer Report" style group of experts.As far as where I wrote that, uh... ah... I'll figure it out.
(DIR) Post #AFmHFMbLTkGD7dI0eG by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-24T21:23:41.577148Z
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@amerika I guess that makes more sense. There is more to the world than humans. You look after that or you die.
(DIR) Post #AFmHFvQZzlRf8NWPE8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:23:47Z
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@Hyolobrika @p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Found the link:https://noagendasocial.com/@amerika/107679458006763096Does this clarify? Maybe.I meditated for a long time on DRI's "there are no war crimes, war is a crime."It sounded right, but also seemed like they were trying to legitimize the Holocaust and Hiroshima.
(DIR) Post #AFmHJh8F5XodxGk48G by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:24:27Z
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@sim There is an order to things. When we focus on the order, we can be consistent with reality.When we deny the order, a process called "hubris," we become unrealistic and go insane as far as I can tell.And not the fun form of insane like "insane in the membrane."
(DIR) Post #AFmHaUqtzt5EnEdvlo by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2022-01-24T21:27:29.643806Z
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@amerika @Hyolobrika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > There are no victimless crimes... in fact, there are no victimless acts whatsoever.No victimless true crimes or "crimes". I'd argue there are quite a few things that aren't truly crimes but are "crimes", that have no real victim aside from oneself
(DIR) Post #AFmHavKZYCGWumizcu by Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
2022-01-24T21:27:34Z
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@amerika Very strange. That didn't show up in my notifications at all, even though it tagged me.
(DIR) Post #AFmHhsgRn6r8jRH33o by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-24T21:28:50.779376Z
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@amerika Then again, people tend to hold contradictory opinions against each other. Opinions they have picked up along the way and haven't properly examined. Or maybe they care about some things but not others. So in some things they are conservative but not in other things.
(DIR) Post #AFmHtsJ714GJ2W4uyu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:31:00Z
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@Hyolobrika I must've triggered our lizards overlords. Well look at that... right on time too... a strange column of blue light has appeared nearby and is moving toward me.
(DIR) Post #AFmI0RCoB63H0pG8A4 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:32:11Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I would both agree and disagree.Personally I favor letting people do whatever drugs they want if they can produce them, for example. Smoking weed you grow in your backyard should not be a crime, and is one of those non-crime "crimes" you describe, in my view.But, this always has effects beyond the individual. Everything does.
(DIR) Post #AFmI8nv1cBCvlxvkzw by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:33:42Z
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@sim I agree with this assessment. For most people, conservative/liberal varies with the pet issue.However, they also have overall leanings toward either humanism/pragmatism or order/realism.
(DIR) Post #AFmIIDA58EeyfUSVuK by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T21:35:25.042646Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > "Change" is not necessarily what radicals bring.I think that is the definition of a radical: they will accept no stability, they want total reformation.> Change is also natural life.... so we don't need a pro-change party.See, that's why I said "radicals" and "reactionaries". I sort of dodged your question by avoiding the liberal/conservative bit, because party politics is boring as hell and the CIA owns all of it anyway, but political philosophy is interesting, so I don't think I dodged the spirit of your question.I think a society does need people to do different things, because we are a system.So, you don't tear down Chesterton's Fence. But by this I mean an individual doesn't decide that: if the fence is disregarded often enough without consequence, the fence is obsolete, but if someone hops it and they die, the fence has to stay. At some point, the world will change and the fence will no longer be useful and the cost of maintaining it will outweigh the benefit.There was a big pan-Asian conference after Japan beat Russia in 1905. Japan talked about modernizing its military and China tut-tutted them. The imperial view was that they could beat the barbarians without becoming barbarians themselves, which Japan had clearly done. That was a formative moment in Asian history, because, correctly observing that they'd be sending regimented infantry with rifles against archers, Japan proceeded to eat Korea and Manchuria whole.Too much adherence to tradition means a civilization is displaced by a more flexible society. Too little respect for tradition means a civilization is not stable enough to survive. Tradition is, essentially, an encoding of the rules. There are introns (father of the bride pays for the wedding) and exons (the institution of marriage itself), but it's hard to tell which exons need to go and which are vital unless you watch what happens when someone without respect for a specific tradition lives. There is a social rule against drunkenness, it's a shameful thing to be falling-down drunk, and with good reason: if you make a habit of it, you will be useless at best and dangerous at worst.
(DIR) Post #AFmIXGOBPlJP1PERv6 by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-24T21:38:07.889897Z
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@amerika Point taken about insane. Could be good to read up on this. I have so much to read up on.
(DIR) Post #AFmIjBstzJz8WgHuts by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:40:16Z
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@sim And much of it you can discover on your own with directed thought.
(DIR) Post #AFmIvNBnmai93vwAgC by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:42:29Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "I think that is the definition of a radical: they will accept no stability, they want total reformation."This places them against history, generally. Whatever came about naturally they want to replace."I think a society does need people to do different things, because we are a system."This was the realization that caused me to leave the bourgeois/libertarian social philosophy.
(DIR) Post #AFmJ2xDqDBbkqMVR6u by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:43:51Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "Too much adherence to tradition means a civilization is displaced by a more flexible society."I am not sure I agree. Traditions generally reflect social norms. Most of the great defeats of history have involved societies that abandoned their traditions for trends.
(DIR) Post #AFmJ7hR8KUvjKizCe8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:44:42Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "There is a social rule against drunkenness, it's a shameful thing to be falling-down drunk, and with good reason: if you make a habit of it, you will be useless at best and dangerous at worst."And yet, a society which permits blatant drunkenness will be more popular, and therefore, in the short term, more popular and therefore more powerful.
(DIR) Post #AFmJAVW76SIlEYedZA by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-24T21:45:13.486791Z
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@amerika Yeah. This seems to be something that I have observed over time. Still trying to figure out where my views fit into all this.
(DIR) Post #AFmJBLlqpBmtIQPwJc by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:45:22Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "Japan talked about modernizing its military and China tut-tutted them. The imperial view was that they could beat the barbarians without becoming barbarians themselves, which Japan had clearly done."They used their tradition to constrain technology.But everyone ended up a "barbarian" of some type anyway.
(DIR) Post #AFmJEUPx8H8Wyyfhku by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:45:56Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "I think that is the definition of a radical: they will accept no stability, they want total reformation."But only in one direction, and it never changes, so they're actually an agent against change.There can be only one First Pericles.
(DIR) Post #AFmJiZMZJHa10YQpuK by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T21:51:23.161987Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I wonder here when we ask whether the people who want change-for-the-sake-of-change are not simply attention stunting.What's it matter how they're motivated, really? Say marriage: hard-line conservatives say it should be a male and a female for the purpose of mating and hopefully raising a family. A radical might negate the premise that the institution matters and want to do away with it, moderates nowadays say it should include same-sex couples, but a moderate a hundred and fifty years ago may have been against miscegenation.So there's a distinction, right? Some people want to tweak institutions, some people want to destroy them, some people want to preserve them as-is. Conservatives want to maintain Chesterton's Fence, liberals want to let people hop the fence, radicals want to tear down or subvert every fence, reactionaries want to put up new fences all over. (Of course, there are reactionaries masquerading as conservatives, putting up fences and claiming the fence has always been there, just as there are radicals masquerading as liberals trying to subvert the fence by cutting holes in the fence.)
(DIR) Post #AFmJpLPFbDHXkUuuOm by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T21:52:36.626710Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > The same is true of "mind your own business": its implications touch everything.I don't think so. It's a rule of thumb, you know, not a law of nature. The problem is when the two get confused.> You introduced the major issues brilliantly.You're too kind.
(DIR) Post #AFmJyMDByQmgqyZfiC by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:54:13Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "It's a rule of thumb, you know, not a law of nature."No doubt, but it leaves out a lot of necessary parts of human life.It's part of my philosophy as well, the whole "do as thou wilt" thing, but I pair it with the Lex Talionis because I believe that stupidity, incompetence, compromise, venality, perversity, etc. unchecked eventually swallow up everything good.
(DIR) Post #AFmKD4nD1HUNAmRJT6 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T21:56:53Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "Conservatives want to maintain Chesterton's Fence, liberals want to let people hop the fence, radicals want to tear down or subvert every fence, reactionaries want to put up new fences all over."These may be their methods, but the question of motivation/intent/goal reflects what they hope to deliver: a civilization of a certain type.
(DIR) Post #AFmKHxX3RRbW6QDBr6 by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-24T21:57:46.621575Z
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@amerika That's a good point. I'm sure the themes playing over and over again in my life are trying to teach me something too. If I can direct them.
(DIR) Post #AFmKkpY0CvwtjiQDqa by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T22:02:59.979098Z
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@amerika @Hyolobrika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > 1. Applies to all things and influences all aspects of life, like totalitarianism but indirectly in cases of soft power.Not really. It's a guideline, it's grease: it's to mitigate friction that might otherwise cause someone to think they've got a right to interfere or aggress in some manner. It's a social principle, not a philosophy. Someone hops Chesterton's Fence and unless they're damaging the fence, it's their funeral.So, about ten years ago, a friend of mine with severe depression got drunk and jumped out his window. Had I known, I don't think I would have been out of line to stop him, but I hadn't talked to him in a while; depressed people withdraw. On the other hand, those clinics in Sweden (I think) where you can call up a doctor and off yourself, those are Europe's business, not mine. I don't like it, but I don't know any of the people working there, I don't live in Scandinavia. There was that girl that was planning it on her 18th birthday, some news crew followed her around. I don't know her, I'm not related to her, it's her choice, I think I'd be out of line to fly to Europe and try to physically prevent her. It's common sense, isn't it?
(DIR) Post #AFmLmHdLMxjf5VB2Lg by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2022-01-24T22:14:27.301573Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot If I buy product ABC from seller XYZ and get blitz on it, who is even the potential victim in that?While yes, there can definitely be knock on effects (people neglected, stupid things done while under the influence, and so on) those may, or may not, be crimes in and of themselves. I'd still argue it isn't a crime, but may be morally questionable depending on the circumstances
(DIR) Post #AFmLrndrn3MdoA3He4 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T22:15:27.852533Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos Sure, which is why I say, you know, it's got to do with what people will tolerate happening.
(DIR) Post #AFmLwGvqpfL3o9b3dQ by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2022-01-24T22:16:15.253980Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Pretty much, yes
(DIR) Post #AFmMAhT4y97KA61DXs by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T22:18:52.802224Z
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@Hyolobrika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Not everyone has the capacity to stick up for themselves.That was covered in the next paragraph.> Are you saying only creatures that are valuable to you have moral worth? Seriously bad take there.Where the fuck did you read that? I think you're reading "monetary value to me personally" when I write "value". I said a child is valuable; worth and value are synonymous.
(DIR) Post #AFmNZ7MGShIPMY2Qng by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T22:34:28Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot ...especially to civilization, which needs future generations.On the other hand, you can probably make a mint selling organs and then still have plenty of meat left over for sandwiches.
(DIR) Post #AFmNgidEHHj4zYb88O by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T22:35:51Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Another way to say this: culture is a better enforcement mechanism than law, but culture is not really a "mind your own business" proposition except in minor incidents like dogs and fences.Specifically societies benefit from the busybodies who have higher standards.
(DIR) Post #AFmNkvVoKZsE688OJ6 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T22:36:37Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I dunno about morals, but everything has effects and side effects, many unintended.
(DIR) Post #AFmNnlEX0Gcz5VP4oC by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T22:37:08.659731Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I think the "live and let live / mind your own business" approach is closest to what we now know as classical liberalism or libertarianism.I don't recognize the legitimacy of any national government; I'm just pragmatic about the consequences of yanking the rug out and toppling the state overnight and I think, beyond my own personal political philosophy, society gets a say in how society works, but I'm pulling in the direction I want. So I say I'm an anarchist, but anarchists tend to waste a lot of time arguing about what constitutes anarchy and I don't care to, so call it what you want. Philosophically, basically ancap, but like an atheist that continues going to church because it's what one does. My own politics aren't super relevant to the discussion, I think, but what they're called is even less relevant.> An interesting point. Nature loves variation.Fruit, right? If you are making rules for handling apples, you're going to have to make a different set of rules for oranges. The trees require different climates, different care to flower and produce fruit, different handling of the fruit for when it's intended for human consumption, different parasites. So a code to govern all fruit has to, by necessity, avoid specifying anything specific to apples and oranges, or it falls over.Even if you take large urban centers, right, you have to be more vague if you're going to talk about both LA and New York; specifying the number of snow plows a city has to keep in working order is going too far, that's best left to the city. Beyond geography, a set of rules that would dovetail with the culture of one city would grate in the other.> I cannot agree here.We can go to the mountains of West Virginia and see it: things there work much like they always have, because a culture either achieves equilibrium or it is supplanted. For a more immediate but much smaller-scale example, we can see FSE: I rarely have to do anything, people block each other or talk to each other and more or less it has organized itself.
(DIR) Post #AFmO13YCDBxpf6wPrM by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T22:39:32Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Can a social guideline be enough to make civilization? I do not think so; it is a good basis for getting along with the neighbors, but tolerance for the bad is a removal of good.As far as the suicides go, that is a complex subject. I say let the Scandinavians handle this one (Swiss?).
(DIR) Post #AFmOD20Xm1WULtuX3o by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T22:41:41Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I am glad you mentioned Chesterton's Fence (essentially: do not remove anything until you know the reason why it was placed there). It seems an important principle: honor what has worked over time.
(DIR) Post #AFmONhD9R3MX2PtQyu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T22:43:37Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "Philosophically, basically ancap, but like an atheist that continues going to church because it's what one does."Very interesting. Essentially a believer in culture."I don't recognize the legitimacy of any national government"That did not work so well for the CSA, as I recall.Still, government exists for a reason. Without something to fill that role, the chaos takes over.
(DIR) Post #AFmOSiJyjec9veTmIi by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T22:44:32Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "Beyond geography, a set of rules that would dovetail with the culture of one city would grate in the other."This is the conservative principle of localism. Its furthest extension: viewing just about everything as particular, on a case-by-case basis."I rarely have to do anything, people block each other or talk to each other and more or less it has organized itself."Bottom-up order.
(DIR) Post #AFmOU8hm7twC2wI1bs by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T22:44:47Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot The glitch in bottom-up order is that it generally only occurs in carefully managed contexts.
(DIR) Post #AFmOeUFcsEszlY3brk by Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
2022-01-24T22:46:02Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I didn't read "monetary value", I read "usefulness". Did you mean "moral worth"? Sorry I insinuated that about you. I guess I'm used to people saying awful shit online by now.To respond to amerika's "value to civilisations" comment, I disagree. People in comas, or subnormal IQ people with no limbs still have moral worth.
(DIR) Post #AFmPAXI96WXgSlWB9s by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-24T22:52:27Z
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@Hyolobrika @p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot People in comas might have utility if there is a decent chance they will come out of them.To some degree, I favor caring for those struck by misfortune.But tards? Teach 'em to clear minefields with pickaxes.
(DIR) Post #AFmRHl2Abo231GcIoi by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T23:16:10.833990Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Someone had to set up the society, neighborhoods, roads, technologies, etc. that you use.I do not need the federal government to build any of those things. The freeway system, sure, federal project. (Romans march into Iberia and there's a road from Iberia to Rome, but that's to serve Rome's interests; ancient Spaniards weren't sitting around thinking "If only a government would build roads for us!") These things were absorbed by governments, sure. But speaking of the Romans, our roads are the width they are because of the width of Roman carts and chariots: our roads are built to fit cars, which were built to fit the existing roads, which were beaten by horses and wagons, which were built to fit Roman roads and brought over to this continent, and Roman roads were built to accommodate Roman chariots and carts, ultimately governed by the physical dimensions of humans and horses, whose evolution we shaped to accommodate ourselves.Neighborhoods grow, and eventually you need some coordination, and that's society self-organizing. You don't actually *need* the coordination per se, but that's observer bias: you have a shantytown rather than a neighborhood if you don't start planning at some point, and a shantytown doesn't usually persist because it's precarious; if it does persist, it usually isn't important except as a nuisance (because it causes problems for nearby planned areas), or because human nature compels people to try to intervene.We have these things because they are manifestations of human nature, not because they were imposed. Technology especially: what is invented is invented because some people just *do* that, and then either people stabilize it through coordination or it doesn't persist.> The "bourgeois" approach of the libertarians falls short hereThis is why I bristled when you called me a libertarian; it doesn't matter what you call my personal politics really, but I don't want to end up in the position of having someone else's views ascribed to me. I'll defend what I have said, maybe I'll change my mind, but I don't want to have to deal with the baggage of defending someone else's philosophy. I can't change the mind of someone that's not present in the conversation. I'm delighted to talk about what I think and what you think and see what happens or what questions pop up, but I don't care what some Reddit fedora-tipper thinks and I don't want his views ascribed to me.We've got from history plenty examples of top-down planning failing disastrously when it steps over a line. I think this was a very interesting read: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/03/16/book-review-seeing-like-a-state/ . (I've procured the book but haven't yet read past the first chapter so I can't comment on "Seeing Like a State" but I do think the essay that it spawned was very good.)People typically have trouble planning their own meals. Planning a society, because playing out the society involves more complexity than the human mind can handle, is a doomed endeavor. You've got to be an expert in everything that society needs to function and not only that, but you've got to account for everything people will do. Herding cattle is an endeavor that requires years of experience: you can't herd people. At some point, society will change in a way you didn't account for. People use *software* in ways the authors of the software didn't account for, and a piece of software, for all of its mind-bending complexity, is simpler than an ant. There are very few universal constants, but this one I am completely certain of, and I'll image-quote :dmr: here:dmr-s_universal_truth.png
(DIR) Post #AFmRZ9PrD5VZYtzROy by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T23:19:19.442983Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos Language is another good example of self-organization: eventually we had to standardize script and spelling, but if you take a hundred babies and put them on an island, assuming they're cared for somehow, they will start speaking with each other. Maybe it won't be complex, maybe abstractions will take a minute, but communicating with language (regardless of fiddly details like whether the word for dogs is "dogs" or whether it's SVO/SOV/whatever) is in our nature.
(DIR) Post #AFmRmXRJCdqBpl3Jtg by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T23:21:44.609304Z
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@amerika @Hyolobrika @wolfie @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > whether in power or merely as voters.This is why I was careful to qualify it by talking about corruption that doesn't affect me. It does affect me if the customs official takes bribes and a new species of termite crosses the border. If we're presuming a democracy of some sort, it does affect me how other people vote. (I didn't think we were presuming a democracy; you seem bearish on the concept.)> There are no victimless crimes... in fact, there are no victimless acts whatsoever.Necrophilia is a victimless crime.
(DIR) Post #AFmS2gZP1W5kmjXPzE by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T23:24:39.697066Z
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@amerika @Hyolobrika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > None of us are jumping into the sewage-and-shark-filled lake to save a pedophile, but we might do it to save a high-IQ child.I think you'd jump in even for a stupid child, if only to spare yourself having to hear the child get eaten, or to be able to answer for yourself why it is that you let a child get eaten by sharks.(Nobody's going to ask you why you let a pedophile get eaten. "Why didn't you save him?!" "He fucked children." "Oh...oh, okay. Yeah, good call.")
(DIR) Post #AFmSCH1ypdtaTNTczw by Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
2022-01-24T23:26:22Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot >if you take a hundred babies and put them on an island, assuming they're cared for somehow, they will start speaking with each otherI don't think anyone has or ever will do this experiment for ethical reasons, so how do you know this?
(DIR) Post #AFmSCKcbTvyPbpdQ00 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T23:26:24.301535Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I will also say that all philosophies are totalizingDefining a term into uselessness tends to be frowned upon; I'm speaking about a philosophy that overreaches and overspecifies (though I hope you got the idea from the apples/oranges metaphor, I'm still catching up).
(DIR) Post #AFmTNOU3Ywmcj8TYbA by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-24T23:39:36.247927Z
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I was one of those babies. It happened. I was there.
(DIR) Post #AFmUY6M7P10ZdxQs5o by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-24T23:52:44.965947Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > But that's the point: the two groups may want different civilizations in the end."But what if you *don't* have the same goals?" is another question entirely, it negates the premise. Here there is a given that at least one goal is shared. You don't plan a whole civilization every day, you have some goals, and when those goals align with others', you can cooperate with them. FSE, for example, can operate for people that wish to speak freely, and although I may not agree with people on the society they want to build, I can agree with people that it is worth having a place to discuss that kind of thing. As long as everyone at least tolerates the free exchange of ideas, even if they don't like the free exchange of ideas, they can coexist with everyone else on FSE. I came up with something I liked for this during a discussion with @PonyPanda (sorely missed around these parts) and I think it's a workable metaphor, so please forgive me for screenshitting myself, but I have screenshat my pants and please see attached.How to resolve a conflict on the course of action, that's another matter entirely. What I think is optimal to do is to figure out where you agree, start on those things, and keep going so long as the course of action doesn't hamper your goals. Say China sends a boat and tries to invade San Francisco and I don't give a damn about San Francisco but I think it would be a bad move to cede US cities to the PRC. So I'd be happy to help the war effort, even if I don't agree that San Francisco is worth saving or that the federal government should exist.burgerthing.png
(DIR) Post #AFmVK7CpXpSaBEyzQW by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T00:01:25.606765Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I think that's the rub, as they say: nothing has singular jurisdiction.Even the few cubic centimeters, which operates by using words and ideas created by dead men. No man is an island, sure. But the idea is to be more trouble than I'm worth to disturb, and to recognize when disturbing someone else is more trouble than it's worth. That little antifa kid that couldn't knock a manlet like Richard Spencer down with a running start didn't do any damage, but allowing people to punch strangers over their beliefs is a bad precedent, something you have to account for when deciding what's worth the trouble.
(DIR) Post #AFmVUR94GWj8uu91Ps by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T00:03:17.529941Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Without civilization, we have no personal jurisdiction, and nothing we does lasts.Without civilization, we have no *conflict* with our personal jurisdiction. If I wake up on a remote island and discover I'm the only human there, I am the imperator.
(DIR) Post #AFmVfnBYf31WSUix2O by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T00:05:20.665313Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Depends on the meaning of metaphysicsThat which is outside the natural world. "Ought" (metaphysics) rather than "is" (physics). Cause and effect are about the laws of the natural world and the beings that inhabit them. Morality is metaphysical.
(DIR) Post #AFmVpspYWlNkrXFDea by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T00:07:10.086896Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > The rest of the parts: Communism is terrible because it does not work and also crushes people.It does not work because it does not accept that it has limits, and it crushes people because it cannot tolerate human nature.> Ideology is by nature conjectural belief!It's belief, not reality. "Ought"/"is".
(DIR) Post #AFmWG9fcXYMGcS7mpU by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T00:11:54.964948Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > But, as you note, realism is not an ideology.Realism is a lens through which one views the world.> All of the ideologies being mentioned here as dangerous are humanist.I think "utilitarian" is a better name for it. In all of the named ideologies, a human exists to serve the state; reality itself exists to serve the state ideology in Lysenkoism or Deutsche Physik.
(DIR) Post #AFmWIq7hfjSKrcXYeG by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T00:12:24.077416Z
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@amerika @Hyolobrika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Experts! You flatter.
(DIR) Post #AFmWVXEJEFMU20gRhw by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T00:14:41.739755Z
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@amerika @wolfie @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > But, this always has effects beyond the individual. Everything does.Zeno's Paradox of the No Man is an Island, same solution: you're talking about smaller and smaller effects.
(DIR) Post #AFmWhsBb8ik6V8IaBs by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-25T00:16:55.222678Z
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@p @amerika @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @PonyPanda @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos Worth reposting for that roleplay alone.
(DIR) Post #AFmXH6qubPU67iQPnk by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:23:17Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot This applies to everything because people in groups amplify that effect. Emulation is one side-effect of any action.In addition, it seems that the loss of certain individuals, or their reduction in usefulness, has wide-ranging effects.
(DIR) Post #AFmXKsjD3eMVTacZHc by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:23:57Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I think I'm fairly on point here as this conversation demonstrates.I think this group discussing this issue would make a pretty bad-ass TV show.
(DIR) Post #AFmXQ7sg9E2tv4YDfE by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:24:54Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot A lens, and also a goal. The goal of realism is the goal of nature: understand reality and adapt to it.I agree partially on utilitarianism (I use the term frequently). In my view, the goal of each is to have everything serve the individual... the State is incidental.
(DIR) Post #AFmXXUYGG0FsG5Vrmq by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:26:14Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot In other words, it misunderstands humanity, enforces its ideology upon them, and then fails when that fails.Ideology is a belief. Realism is not, although belief in its goodness is.This is useful when I bring up the usual "there are no truths, only interpretations" because I am an unrepentant, unreconstructed nihilist.
(DIR) Post #AFmXceqlOZC3e8dA3M by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:27:10Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I tend to reject any morality but adaptation, being a realist.Much of philosophy describes the natural world in pattern form.For example, Plato differentiated between his physics, politics, and metaphysics.
(DIR) Post #AFmXeAKPqTAhZ2DegS by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T00:27:27.288637Z
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what does repentance or reconstruction even mean in the context of nihilism
(DIR) Post #AFmXfFpEtOdau29iWu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:27:38Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot No doubt: the possibility of an island.This does not occur in reality, nor lead to a species surviving, however.
(DIR) Post #AFmXk4n7LRbK82SkEa by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:28:31Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Indeed, but at that point we are making a rule for everyone which is total in its own way.
(DIR) Post #AFmXq1xUn09j559k8m by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:29:35Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @PonyPanda @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "Here there is a given that at least one goal is shared."Here we are with the "issues question." A goal really is an end-state, "what would our society look like if you could design it?"I think it varies greatly between Right and Left.
(DIR) Post #AFmXsmn7daSmuQcNDE by likho@sendero.social
2022-01-25T00:28:45Z
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Hypothetically, yes. But I think politics is extremely divisive now because of how big the government is and how government policies affect people's lives.
(DIR) Post #AFmXurhaLngSic1GzY by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T00:30:28.707611Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > This places them against history, generally. Whatever came about naturally they want to replace.Yes.> This was the realization that caused me to leave the bourgeois/libertarian social philosophy.I'm not sure what you mean about the social philosophy, but I gather it's the Ayn Rand stuff. I've never really been a fan of the Ayn Rand nonsense; I think the USSR did a number on her and in pushing back against the parts that were definitely wrong (enforced collectivism to the point of absolute subservience), she was infected with the "personal is political" disease. As a political philosophy, drawing back the scope of government, that is reasonable, but as a social philosophy ("Altruism is evil"), Rand was kind of a dipshit. It always felt wrong to me, but that's because the trick is So socially, what I said about thresholds, that's where I am. Who can tell me what to do, who has the right, and how much can they tell me? I think I have a responsibility to stop my mother from being scammed by some real estate Ponzi scheme. (She's in no danger of something like that for a variety of reasons, but for the sake of illustration.) If I squeeze a passel of kids out, I think I have a moral duty to bathe in the blood of anyone that tries to abuse them in any capacity. If I see someone setting a house on fire in my neighborhood, I think it's reasonable to stop them, and I think I ought to. But the more decrees removed I am, the less it makes sense: I'm not flying out to stop Kony. I don't think he should have child soldiers, but Batman is an idiot.
(DIR) Post #AFmXw2BAsk8LVEPv6m by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:30:29Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @PonyPanda @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot " FSE, for example, can operate for people that wish to speak freely, and although I may not agree with people on the society they want to build, I can agree with people that it is worth having a place to discuss that kind of thing."True, but this presupposes the society that encloses FSE.On SF.... tough one.
(DIR) Post #AFmY1baydIlYnA8tiy by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:31:41Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot And yet language has been shaped by exceptional individuals more than others.https://theconversation.com/how-a-handful-of-prehistoric-geniuses-launched-humanitys-technological-revolution-171511
(DIR) Post #AFmY3asyF7FBAaVVLc by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:32:02Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @sim @freedompatriot I would like to think this "Lord of the Flies" scenario ends with a skullthrone and a New Sparta.
(DIR) Post #AFmY5ihs8SnY0OKVNI by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:32:25Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I'm not overspecializing.If we say, "this is good, and this is bad," that reaches every part of life.
(DIR) Post #AFmY9rG6HUHvggJSGe by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:33:10Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I am a special case. I would not jump in to save a stupid child... I would view that as a victory for man and nature both.Besides, I like sharks.
(DIR) Post #AFmYELjotxFBNMM7Bg by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:33:59Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Is it? The family of the dead might feel a bit of angst. Maybe that is feeling and not reality. A consenting corpse of course is a different story."Bearish on democracy"... the art of understatement is an important form of humor.
(DIR) Post #AFmYGPm2rp4yTKNhQW by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T00:34:22.100172Z
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This is literally why I could not be an EMT or a doctor (aside from the obvious shit wage for an 'important' job.)>Answer call>It's a lardass"I uh, gotta return some videotapes."
(DIR) Post #AFmYMFB1BEYTLJqEyG by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:35:24Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot There are civilizations, and the State. Many of us view the State as a late parasitic stage of the civilization.We cannot predict everything, for sure, but things tend to have predictable patterns. Gravity for example is consistent in the context in which we normally experience it.
(DIR) Post #AFmYMJXqwHCItIYX7Q by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T00:35:26.356482Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I am not sure I agree. Traditions generally reflect social norms. Most of the great defeats of history have involved societies that abandoned their traditions for trends.Sure, they traded stability. But Imperial China was completely ossified. They didn't radically abandon their tradition; Japan did, and it took the combined force of the US and USSR to roll back the empire they built in less than thirty years. (Say what you will about the US/USSR's motivations for involvement, but the point is the world's top two armies had a tough fight against Japan.)
(DIR) Post #AFmYRmVQgrge9x1suG by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:36:25Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot The Japanese were excellent fighters and they had top-notch generals.Imperial China, on the other hand, had more of the Asiatic tyrant system from the beginning.Is this tradition? Or merely conformity?
(DIR) Post #AFmYW51tlHiAlgGZRg by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:37:03Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @sim @freedompatriot I used to want to save everyone.Now I want to save the good, and watch the bad vanish underwater as the sharks feast.
(DIR) Post #AFmYYAHHDjf7cjSApE by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T00:37:34.859261Z
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@p @amerika @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos rules of thumb are lossy compression for laws of nature
(DIR) Post #AFmYdkSE900bGtEnvk by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:38:34Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I have never read Rand either. I mean more the continuum of classical liberals from Burke through whatever Reason.com is.I would say that altruism is never real. We defend our interests, whether genetic (family) or local.But eventually, that leads to a desire for a stable civilization to perpetuate what we have done.
(DIR) Post #AFmYfSmmo1RB3Lfigy by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:38:53Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I mean, speaking of degrees of removal:We all defend our kids.How many defend our great-great-grandkids?
(DIR) Post #AFmYih0sMjXo2xnnQ8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T00:39:28Z
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@likho @alex @p @sim @wjmaggos @freedompatriot @Crankenstein @coyote @ChristiJunior @dew_the_dew @rikkatakarada I agree. Government has intruded in so much that politics is inescapable or at least, we now see that it is so.
(DIR) Post #AFmYuTHnEEpUwpKc8e by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T00:41:36.740412Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > And yet, a society which permits blatant drunkenness will be more popular, and therefore, in the short term, more popular and therefore more powerful.So?I mean, ours permits it. General drunkenness is, in and of itself, tolerated but frowned upon. On the other hand, we celebrate some of the high-functioning alcoholics. :churchillsmug: But those are *social* rules. "Tolerance" versus "acceptance" is an important distinction, I've been trying to maintain the distinction. I goddamn hate folk music, its enervating effect makes me want to die, but I'll tolerate it in society at large. I won't tolerate it coming out of the speakers on my desk: I've got shit to do. So the axes are what you're willing to put up with and how far away it has to be for you to put up with it.
(DIR) Post #AFmZ72HivgdsyCI3gO by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-25T00:43:52.688352Z
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@amerika @dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @freedompatriot Then you get some people that can't be saved, no matter how many times you navigate shark-infested waters.
(DIR) Post #AFmZA4g0UflzFx66dM by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T00:44:25.668364Z
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only retards celebrate churchill and his alcoholism was a big factor in allowing him to be comped
(DIR) Post #AFmZPkMnlxxKtraUe8 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T00:47:15.879086Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot They had the wrong traditions in place for a world that changed around them. The other countries had guns, they had a military tradition that was too ossified for guns to be incorporated. Tradition is just a few generations of one way of doing things, and most of it's arbitrary but it forms in the presence of other traditions. Being inflexible to the point of refusing to tolerate a break in tradition makes you Imperial China; refusing to acknowledge it gets you the Cultural Revolution.
(DIR) Post #AFmZV0TpI7HKK3Nhr6 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T00:48:12.914973Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > But only in one direction, and it never changes, so they're actually an agent against change.I think I disagree but this is too vague to address; could you elaborate?
(DIR) Post #AFmaZdoZ5XR3Qdr6Cu by likho@sendero.social
2022-01-25T00:55:21Z
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I think the seam where the tear started was when private corporations were making large financial contributions to political campaigns. Even if you didn't support or were opposed to a party or a cause, the restaurant chain you regularly visit could donate heaps of money to said party or cause.
(DIR) Post #AFmanTuwgMLcmtRJGy by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T01:02:45.261961Z
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Chic Fil A is doing fine tho
(DIR) Post #AFmbSAQ05HiWBXMioq by likho@sendero.social
2022-01-25T01:08:45Z
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I recall they made LGBT mad, then everyone else started eating at Chick-fil-A even more. After that, they decided not to make further donations to the organizations they were donating to before.
(DIR) Post #AFmbYjdu2BfbAW04Ui by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T01:11:17.659415Z
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LGBT inc. is still mad at them. I'm fairly certain some of the workers at the one I go to sometimes are poofters.
(DIR) Post #AFmbnIrbscBISWMGjA by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T01:13:55.336858Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I goddamn hate folk musicOkay, but what about Simon & Garfunkel, please tell me you make an exception for them? I Am A Rock, The Boxer, and The Sound Of Silence are amazing songs.Not that you listen to them, but do you hate them?
(DIR) Post #AFmcKbYBQMd1yG9Pdo by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T01:19:56.490205Z
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Paul Simon is a piece of shit
(DIR) Post #AFmcRGXlvOhGqa8Pq4 by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T01:21:09.253912Z
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@p @amerika @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos then you must conquer the nature on the island
(DIR) Post #AFme6iduSSh1p0KstM by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T01:39:49.569965Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @sim @freedompatriot ok, Led Zeppelin and even the Beatles were bigger pieces of shit? So they wrote some good music. They’re not saints, they’re musicians.
(DIR) Post #AFmeBg8LDMRvUHw1Ro by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T01:40:44.558327Z
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You're missing my point.
(DIR) Post #AFmeDZ1ec1cU1Qhplg by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T01:41:04.899815Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @sim @freedompatriot what he do?
(DIR) Post #AFmeGUKiW1PoKy176u by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T01:41:36.664903Z
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Paul Simon is a piece of shit.
(DIR) Post #AFmeIwaES88qX6ReOe by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T01:42:03.197743Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @sim @freedompatriot 🥱
(DIR) Post #AFmfIN5mVY1cPgUcFs by ns@nixslave.xyz
2022-01-25T01:50:50Z
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@dew_the_dew Paul Simon is based
(DIR) Post #AFmfINYUmmzfqjvY0m by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T01:53:07.457267Z
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Incorrect. Paul Simon is a piece of shit.
(DIR) Post #AFmfWLluDMHaN6rU92 by AR-15@poa.st
2022-01-25T01:55:40.809961Z
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No, none of these people wrote anything good.
(DIR) Post #AFmfb0Rgvopdg6cvGC by Hyolobrika@mstdn.io
2022-01-25T01:56:30Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @sim @freedompatriot Do go on..
(DIR) Post #AFmfjbNXV1D4XZmdHs by AR-15@poa.st
2022-01-25T01:58:04.383478Z
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Yes because they are the same. Conservatives just take 5-10 years to adopt things liberals want. That's the only difference.
(DIR) Post #AFmfr4tSA8qQ6dH9oO by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T01:59:25.058054Z
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@AR-15 @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot 🥱 uncultured and needlessly contrariant, sophomore opinion
(DIR) Post #AFmgK1Ccxo953c2nlg by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T02:04:39.587782Z
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Paul Simon is a piece of shit.
(DIR) Post #AFmgLkF8zOjh2P2p2u by ns@nixslave.xyz
2022-01-25T02:04:33Z
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@dew_the_dew why? Because he stole music from Africans?
(DIR) Post #AFmgLkhVHxQASMJTFY by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T02:04:57.310090Z
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Paul Simon is a piece of shit.
(DIR) Post #AFmgNzjQNIY5eZHT2e by AR-15@poa.st
2022-01-25T02:05:22.253278Z
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I assure you, I have put a lot of thought and effort and research into this opinion. I know I'm right and you would too if you weren't retarded.
(DIR) Post #AFmgY8IDOpWb6KO7SS by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T02:07:11.839177Z
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@AR-15 @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Lmao, fuck off you haven’t stated an argument.
(DIR) Post #AFmhE1Xws8CaLAir2G by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T02:14:46.888642Z
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PAUL SIMON IS A PIECE OF SHIT
(DIR) Post #AFmhGXiIFPAYgQlJom by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T02:15:14.021570Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @AR-15 @sim @freedompatriot GUESS WHAT
(DIR) Post #AFmhQwMdS45o22ad6m by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T02:17:06.872373Z
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PAULSIMONISAPIECEOFSHIT
(DIR) Post #AFmkQPJ0f6hHMiKbQ0 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T02:50:37Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "So the axes are what you're willing to put up with and how far away it has to be for you to put up with it."I would add another vector: how much it obstructs something that you want.For example, folk music is watery blood nonsense, but it's fine if it attracts weak people to weak people places.But if it displaces your 70s AOR from the airwaves?There - will - be - blood (and sodomy)
(DIR) Post #AFmkUBYhiMI1t9TRMu by ns@nixslave.xyz
2022-01-25T02:05:32Z
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@dew_the_dew a polished turd though?
(DIR) Post #AFmkUC3XrgxZQnu4RM by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T02:51:17Z
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@ns @dew_the_dew I'd rather listen to Deicide on repeat.
(DIR) Post #AFmkYzgTI9ZMVXOqqe by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T02:52:10Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @likho @sim @freedompatriot Chick-fil-A delights people of all sexual persuasions.The food is simply better than most other fast food, which I admit is a low bar.Same reason In-n-Out gets away with printing Bible verses on its french fry packaging.
(DIR) Post #AFmkhIA0TsbY7zAhFI by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T02:53:40Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot The radicals have urged exactly the same stuff since at least 2600 years ago.They basically bleat out the same vision of humanism/utilitarianism/altruism/individualism.It's not change if it's predictable and if it has been tried before. It's a rehash of a failed thing because it's popular, like the Metaverse is just Second Life with shopping.
(DIR) Post #AFmkjhf0dww9nHp3ku by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T02:54:07Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Traditions are not equal; we get that, obviously.I'm not sure that their bureaucracy counts as tradition.
(DIR) Post #AFmklAwXFy1itziqCu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T02:54:23Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @sim @freedompatriot I like his cigars however.
(DIR) Post #AFmlMvofwhikzX37T6 by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T03:01:12.683964Z
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The food is good, they have a tight menu focus and keep their supply chain relatively simplified, they know how to move a drive-thru line (which really became evident in lockdown time) and on top of that their customer service standards are ridiculously high compared to any of their competitors even if saying "My Pleasure" is a bit over the top for me. It's pretty much every box you need to tick for a successful restaurant.
(DIR) Post #AFmnQhkKOrMCQ7wVXc by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T03:24:17Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @likho @sim @freedompatriot The other factor: it's mostly real food. They mostly resisted the McDonalds-style urge to mix soy, HFCS, etc. into everything. Mostly.
(DIR) Post #AFmo7NGiPXsPMWRDk0 by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T03:32:00.893144Z
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It's about as real as you can hope for from fast food. The fries use the soy oil, the buns are very sugary, there's also soy oil in the chic-fil-a sauce. On the other hand their chicken hasn't been pureed and then reformed into molds and it's fried in peanut oil. Someone on /fit/ pointed out that their nuggets have pretty much the same macros as a protein shake.
(DIR) Post #AFmoE2EX1AWk9LaoAy by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T03:33:13.139572Z
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It's about as real as you can hope for from fast food. The fries use the soy oil, the buns are very sugary, there's also soy oil in the chic-fil-a sauce. On the other hand their chicken hasn't been pureed and then reformed into molds and it's fried in peanut oil. Someone on /fit/ pointed out that their nuggets have pretty much the same macros as a protein shake. When I perused this I'm not bothered by the MSG and food colorings at all but I didn't know they used fake butter to toast the buns. That's kind of disappointing but I'm not shocked in the least.
(DIR) Post #AFmoFhakjYVEi5mVc0 by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T03:33:31.161560Z
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It's about as real as you can hope for from fast food. The fries use the soy oil, the buns are very sugary, there's also soy oil in the chic-fil-a sauce. On the other hand their chicken hasn't been pureed and then reformed into molds and it's fried in peanut oil. Someone on /fit/ pointed out that their nuggets have pretty much the same macros as a protein shake. When I perused this I'm not bothered by the MSG and food colorings at all but I didn't know they used fake butter to toast the buns. That's kind of disappointing but I'm not shocked in the least.
(DIR) Post #AFmoJGuZs8fv7ZkxhA by wizard_problems@poa.st
2022-01-25T03:34:09.883783Z
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the buns have always been my least favorite thing about the sandwich experience. i think in the future i'll just get a filet and put it on my own carb.
(DIR) Post #AFmoP0zrxIR9V4yDMu by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T03:35:12.158570Z
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The breakfast burritos are probably my favorite thing there and they come with salsa instead of soybean oil based flavored mayo.
(DIR) Post #AFn2DVcDgnOQLTJeYC by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T06:09:59.912475Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I believe that stupidity, incompetence, compromise, venality, perversity, etc. unchecked eventually swallow up everything good.How'd we come to have a concept of "good" and "evil" to begin with? Why do you care about good and evil? Either we got good and evil because these are inherent to our nature or it came from somewhere. Either you care because something human in you drives you to care about good and evil, or something inhuman has given you this.
(DIR) Post #AFn2arCPbj7pwkNUMC by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T06:14:13.090139Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > These may be their methods, but the question of motivation/intent/goal reflects what they hope to deliver: a civilization of a certain type.The type of civilization they want varies over time, but we can spot those patterns, four different leanings. I think we're jumping the gun if we try to reason it out before trying to figure out the shape of the thing.
(DIR) Post #AFn6CY47UiD3TGACQq by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T06:54:37.515891Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @AR-15 @sim @freedompatriot GUESS WHAT
(DIR) Post #AFn6GTCLX6AzX8shUW by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T06:55:20.941675Z
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PAUL SIMON IS A PIECE OF SHIT
(DIR) Post #AFn6UkRAEesf3NcWxM by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T06:57:55.146069Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @AR-15 @sim @freedompatriot NO I INSIST RETARDGUESS
(DIR) Post #AFn6fjEH4CCyUbpLua by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T06:59:54.829711Z
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(DIR) Post #AFn6rueyOTAlQ37pqa by MechaSilvio@poa.st
2022-01-25T07:02:06.752938Z
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Yes, but only if you remove Jews
(DIR) Post #AFn7NJUK8IWlOq7K3k by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T07:07:46.872801Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @AR-15 @sim @freedompatriot NOPE KEEP GUESSING
(DIR) Post #AFn7YRbcIALZlGptDs by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T07:09:48.099801Z
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(DIR) Post #AFn7sN0T6L2dHyxfv6 by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T07:13:23.477817Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @AR-15 @sim @freedompatriot > twitter tier gif
(DIR) Post #AFn7xAKxdKuDRXpjay by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T07:14:15.927119Z
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(DIR) Post #AFn8F24d5yCF1kiKy8 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T07:17:30.238466Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > As far as the suicides go, that is a complex subject.It's not really about suicide per se; I think you can agree that someone that's not in their right state of mind (in the case of this example, a severely depressed person that was also drunk) you should prevent from hurting themselves, but that's not the question. The question is, given that I believe that to be true, under what circumstances should I intervene? My answer is that there's a threshold. Not to reduce it to a math problem but you can think of it as how terrible the thing is multiplied by how close my relationship to that person is. The people around me, I've got a responsibility towards. Friends, family, neighbors, coworkers, colleagues, casual acquaintances, random strangers on the street, random strangers in another city, random strangers in another country. (Of course it's not that simple and it's not quite linear.) So you have some milk that's gone off, you see someone pour a glass. If it's your kid, you've got to clean the vomit, you can say "No, don't drink that" and take the glass of milk away. If it's your spouse, one hopes you've picked a good one that will listen when you say "Hey, don't drink that, it's gone off" and they've got room to say "It smells fine to me". If it's a roommate, you should advise them but you'd be out of line to tell them what to do. So now think about some cheese that you've filled with rat poison: you're probably justified slapping it out of anyone's hand if you see them try to take a bite. You hear about a stadium bomb, you probably should make a phone call to their security guys but maybe not rush to the stadium yourself.
(DIR) Post #AFn8JpzzPtYF1epq6q by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T07:18:22.347585Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Chesterton's Fence is a core concept for anyone that wants to conduct themselves in a non-retarded manner.
(DIR) Post #AFn8QLLXmPFRzD1F9k by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T07:19:32.325161Z
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Just don't get Richard Jewelled
(DIR) Post #AFnAMfcUf5PLc4K7Hc by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-01-25T07:41:16.817801Z
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@coyote twitter tier gf?@ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @AR-15 @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot
(DIR) Post #AFnAQVUaG2UpMSS9zs by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T07:41:58.707505Z
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@neo @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @AR-15 @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot no please god
(DIR) Post #AFnCAfxVm8Dv67Yx72 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T08:01:32.201657Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Very interesting. Essentially a believer in culture.I think I lack the belief that I've got all of the answers, so if everyone's pulling a different direction, it's maybe not worth following them in that direction, but if someone believes in personal autonomy, how can they say "You're not allowed to have a government"? When (not if) the government comes to bother you, that's another matter.A church isn't just a building where religion happens, it's an association of people, a cultural zone, and a habitual thing. I'm sure you're familiar with plenty of people that go to a building and sing and listen to a sermon and maybe get lunch with some of the other members afterwards, but they don't believe in any sort of god, so they don't give any weight to the dictates they hear except to the extent they give weight to any other tradition. (Maybe they just like to talk theology in the parking lot after, or maybe they don't care about any of it and they just like to sing gospel music in a big group.)> That did not work so well for the CSA, as I recall.That part worked out fine until they decided to sieze a fort. I pay my taxes the same reason anyone pays protection money; the mafia doesn't need you to believe in the don, just to hand over what they decide you owe them.> Without something to fill that role, the chaos takes over.Something, sure. You have to have some rules to have stability, you have to have stability to be able to plan, and to be able to plan, you have to be able to know what to expect next year. Low time-preference is required for any sort of progress.The telegraph enabled the superstate; the state as it currently exists should not exist. Used to be that Hadrian could wall off the northerners, but the current strategy is to send in a UN peacekeeping force. These massive, intrusive nation-states are new. Maybe they get bigger, maybe they can't; I think they should be much, much smaller.
(DIR) Post #AFnD4jTDuHNGCm7qUa by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T08:11:40.058385Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > This is the conservative principle of localism. Its furthest extension: viewing just about everything as particular, on a case-by-case basis.I don't think it's conservative, really. I don't think a stranger has any authority to tell me what to do. I go work somewhere, I'll listen to whoever is cutting the checks. I've made that agreement.> Bottom-up order.Yeah. Order is an emergent property of human society.
(DIR) Post #AFnDBDVF9vqr5SA8S8 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T08:12:50.366329Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot We have civilizations, unless we're presuming extraterrestrial manipulation.
(DIR) Post #AFnEYWpfYhozePOd5U by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T08:28:15.454982Z
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@Hyolobrika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I guess I'm used to people saying awful shit online by now.I say awful shit online! We haven't even gotten to my solution to the urban density problem, which is awful.
(DIR) Post #AFnHuEVkenlt3t7YxM by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T09:05:47.709930Z
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@Hyolobrika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I don't think anyone has or ever will do this experiment for ethical reasons, so how do you know this?Because verbal communication is hard-wired in humans. We know which parts of the brain are involved because we know which parts light up on the fMRI when you speak or when you listen, we know there's a direct pipe from there to the same bits of the brain that process hypotheticals, and it's a different pipe from the other direct pipe to the medulla, which is why loud, deep noises scare you. We know that if someone starts describing a physical action that your motor cortex starts to buzz, even neurons in your arm start to light up. We know which bits of the brain are responsible for processing not just sounds, but language. There is a physical basis for language.There's also a behavioral basis. Similar sounds mean similar things not just because of cognates, but the face you make when creating that sound seems to be related: you bare your front teeth when making an exaggerated "N" sound, and the negative in almost every language has an N in it. There's an "I" (in the "eeeeeeeee" style) in the affirmative for almost every language, too, and when you exaggerate that sound, you smile, a friendly face. (Japanese, aside from some loanwords, has zero similarity to English, but if you say "hai" very slowly, you open your mouth for the "ha" and then draw the corners for the "i". "Nai" is usually what you use for a negative response although the direct translation of "no" is "iie".) We know that some noises carry a connotation completely independent of the language spoken: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouba/kiki_effect . Here's an image, and 90% of the time, you ask someone which one of these shapes is called "bouba" and which one is called "kiki", they'll answer the same way, no matter if they wear a suit and tie or a loincloth. Try making some exaggerated faces as you pronounce words. The shape of your face when you speak conveys what you're thinking, and pronunciation is fungible: the words we have tend to be words that are convenient to say when making the face.So we know babies will make faces, they will vocalize, and they will put a lot of effort towards reading faces and listening. It's not just humans, to some extent it's everywhere. (Apparently crows can describe human faces to each other.) It even crosses species to some extent: you hear a wild animal vocalize and you can tell if it's angry or in pain, you can read the general mood, and you don't need to be taught that, because you are wired to read things that way.So I don't need for anyone to do that experiment to know that. People refine language themselves, adults do this: you isolate people on an island and there will be a shorthand for everything that is relevant to surviving on that island.boubakiki.png
(DIR) Post #AFnMusnlME8Ln7ftzM by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T10:01:56.265886Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Sure, but you don't know which individuals, and you don't know what effect a given substance will have on a given brain.> In addition, it seems that the loss of certain individuals, or their reduction in usefulness, has wide-ranging effects.Erdos quit amphetamines for a month, on a bet; his friend bet him $500 that he was addicted, he insisted he was not. After a month without amphetamine tablets, he said, "You've showed me I'm not an addict. But I didn't get any work done. I'd get up in the morning and stare at a blank piece of paper. I'd have no ideas, just like an ordinary person. You've set mathematics back a month." Now you give someone else access to amphetamines and they will make bad attempts to counterfeit $20 bills, or they'll get AIDS in a bathroom stall and then fight the bouncer, or they'll have a psychotic break.This is the problem with most of these policies: Erdos was a genius. If he couldn't work without eating speed, then prohibiting amphetamines hobbled a prolific mathematician at the cost of, what, keeping idiots safe? Fuck that completely. Art, science, mathematics, people with an outsized effect on society very often have some strange compunctions, chemical dependencies, proclivities. Lemmy had a bottle of Jack daily, but name one musician that didn't do their best work out of their gourd on Substances.So I know we're in the same camp in terms of drugs, but I'm not just talking about drugs. People that do unique things, things that change society, they tend to do a *lot* of unique things and then one of their bizarre proclivities has an impact. Progress depends on freaks and weirdos being left to do their ridiculous shit, and 99% of the time it's just a crank, a nutjob, but you can't tell in advance. If the CFAA had existed when Jobs and Wozniak were running their blue box side hustle, we wouldn't have had the Apple II. An intolerant society fucks over people that achieve great things, and for what? Really, for what? Tell me these leaps and bounds in scientific endeavor are worth the horseshit we go through to keep mediocre idiots safe and happy?And fuck safety anyway. Cattle are safe and happy. We're humans.
(DIR) Post #AFnN4LfDPz57ubBrf6 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T10:03:38.907316Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I think this group discussing this issue would make a pretty bad-ass TV show.It would be interesting to watch.
(DIR) Post #AFnNJ17g4SxcY6Uvj6 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T10:06:17.966219Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I agree partially on utilitarianism (I use the term frequently). In my view, the goal of each is to have everything serve the individual... the State is incidental.Communism is a utilitarian philosophy. The individual is subservient to the collective.
(DIR) Post #AFnNwYZlcwlrazUTIG by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2022-01-25T10:13:25.103344Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Very little, if anything, has ever been accomplished by the mediocre and the banal. To make rules and rules and rules to keep such safe is absurdityBesides, a person should be free to do with their own person whatever they like. If you don't own yourself, what can you ever own?
(DIR) Post #AFnO7hsRNzHvd0Xdpo by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T10:15:27.623280Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Ideology is a belief. Realism is notRealism requires you to value truth. It's predicated on a value system. Any approach requires you to start somewhere and to care about something.
(DIR) Post #AFnOSXwhVONauMTHqi by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T10:19:13.601513Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > but at that point we are making a rule for everyoneSure, rules do apply to everyone within a context, but rulesets exist in one of two ways: totalizing and circumscribed.
(DIR) Post #AFnOVBoCGd1V7TkoMa by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T10:19:41.875427Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Ideology can be based in reality… An ideology that tells us how most to deal with human nature and existence as it is, for example, as opposed to a purely utopian ideology…
(DIR) Post #AFnOXK9ME2NjZKfZfk by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T10:20:04.980752Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot not enough people even believe there is truth
(DIR) Post #AFnSbQW8tPgEIBXTAu by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T11:05:39.098723Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @PonyPanda @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Here we are with the "issues question." A goal really is an end-state, "what would our society look like if you could design it?"You're ignoring the goals that are not "goal for the reformation of the entire earth". If I'm hitchhiking from LA to Houston and you say you're going to Nawlins, we can ride at least that far. I'd be stupid to decline the ride and say "Well, you want to end up in New Orleans. I don't want to go to New Orleans."Big picture, none of my goals are compatible with anyone else's. I am a Pete Supremacist: my grand plan for the reformation of the entire earth is that I want to achieve my own objectives. Business is predicated not on a shared end goal but a bounded, concrete goal. I buy that burger and I'm sure the cashier would be delighted to have all of my money if that were a possibility, and to put none of it in the register, but no one would cooperate with that: not me nor Wendy's nor the shift manager nor the franchise owner. He sells burgers because he gets paid to sell burgers, he is paid so that someone sells the burgers, I part with my money because I want to eat. Everything I do from the time I wake up to the time I go to sleep is a compromise between conflicting goals, even within my head: maybe I want to stay in bed but can't. The realistic approach is to not even consider that Wendy's gives me as many free burgers as I want, because they've got no reason, but if I hand them some cash, they will give me a triple Baconator, a large order of fries, and some nuggets. I can agree to the extent I'm committing. The nurse in the delivery room doesn't need to agree on which college the baby's going to.So on the smaller scale, there's room to agree on goals. You are not going to get total agreement on the end state, even if you keep just one political party and the other one vanishes completely. But you can get agreement on a lot of the goals between here and your end state. The grandiose, all-or-nothing thinking is unworkable, and if you need ideological conformity on *why* we're working towards the intermediate goal, your tent is even smaller. To make it more concrete, I think the income tax should be zero and the IRS should be abolished; most people do not, but most Republicans and all(?) Libertarians and some Democrats are willing to agree that it should be lower, so I have a shared goal with them: lower income tax. The end goal may not be the same but we can cooperate on the intermediate goal.
(DIR) Post #AFnSoChBar6fBmnTLU by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T11:07:57.649449Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @PonyPanda @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > True, but this presupposes the society that encloses FSE.Sure. We live in that society.
(DIR) Post #AFnTRkEEqst2U46yeG by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T11:15:06.407714Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Well, look: if I say that the only ideology that matters is mathematics, you would laugh, and rightly so. The domain is circumscribed, it is reasoning about the relationships between quantities. It's a tool.Some domains are wrong for some sets of ideas. *Is* owning a cat counterrevolutionary? It's a stupid question. Any set of ideas has a boundary. It's a gross misapplication to presume otherwise for any set of ideas.
(DIR) Post #AFnTWZgbTaEjEcgLs8 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T11:15:58.786010Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Oh, I love sharks, too. Delicious.
(DIR) Post #AFnU4qSvb4w37Zcw52 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T11:22:10.401026Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > The family of the dead might feel a bit of angst.What if they don't know? Or perhaps they're the ones doing it! Victimless crime, in and of itself. Or, hey, we don't posthumously convict people of suicide.
(DIR) Post #AFnUBOvKOatHjE2LiK by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T11:23:21.492288Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Many of us view the State as a late parasitic stage of the civilization.Reasonable, but in that case, you cannot plan a civilization at all.
(DIR) Post #AFnURXQmX8EWkMRaZk by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T11:26:16.476780Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Is this tradition? Or merely conformity?It was tradition. The last emperor wasn't conforming to anyone but previous emperors, conformity across time is tradition.
(DIR) Post #AFnUrZnGN7E7bTNKhE by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T11:30:58.821236Z
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@amerika @dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @sim @freedompatriot > Now I want to save the good, and watch the bad vanish underwater as the sharks feast.Well, look, I'm just saying that if we legalize all of the drugs and get rid of the cops and legalize explosives again.This even solves urban crowding. Would you live in a high-rise where a sizeable portion of the people might be storing their TNT unsafely?
(DIR) Post #AFnV94uBx6SP19xgdE by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T11:34:08.604696Z
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@throwaway1 @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos Or individual conduct; ethics aren't laws of nature, but you can have a rule of thumb about ethics.
(DIR) Post #AFnVbi9Td0MEqZlSO8 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T11:39:19.088458Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I mean more the continuum of classical liberals from Burke through whatever Reason.com is.Okay, well, I'm not on board with it whatever it is. I think you can just watch the human tragicomedy play out and arrive at "This would be better if everyone fucked off and left people alone."> I would say that altruism is never real.Well, maybe. There is a thing, we call it altruism. Whether it is a real disinterest in the self for the sake of others is another question. Just Ayn Rand said it was evil, and I think she was wrong; compelling others to sacrifice is evil.
(DIR) Post #AFnWWz0Ndm1VcfopiC by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T11:49:40.117215Z
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@dew_the_dew @alex @amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @Crankenstein @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos > only retards celebrate churchillWell, he was no William Tecumseh Sherman, but Churchill was a pretty cool guy and he stopped Hitler. The people that bag on Churchill are usually either communists (fuck that) or Hitler fanboys (fuck that). Churchill wanted to push back the Soviet Union but couldn't marshal the popular support, he blew up a mountain in France on his way out, great sense of humor, and he correctly recognized FDR as an idiot and Stalin as a psychopath. All great shit, I find very little to dislike about him.churchill_requires_booze.jpg
(DIR) Post #AFnX0ZKfehz6ghPvxg by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T11:55:00.936880Z
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@likho @dew_the_dew @alex @amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @Crankenstein @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos I know precisely zero gay dudes that stopped eating at Chik-Fil-A. There is a *line* at the two-lane drive-through. They make really good chicken.
(DIR) Post #AFnXIfzvc1ewZZLj2e by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T11:58:17.285207Z
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@coyote @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos > please tell me you make an exception for them?I think the only one I've made an exception for is Johnny Hobo. I haven't heard a lot of Simon and Garfunkel but I really do feel like I'm going to die listening to "Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme".04--acid_song.mp3
(DIR) Post #AFnXX3OtOm2rD0sk9g by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T12:00:53.189915Z
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@throwaway1 @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos But I do have no humans interfering with my goals; that is, I would only have to contend with nature (which we've got to do anyway) rather than with other conscious beings.
(DIR) Post #AFnXeXrIYQT3hTjyqm by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T12:02:14.421315Z
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@coyote @dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos :ggallin: No one's topping GG.Gg Allin - Drink, Fight And Fuck.mp3
(DIR) Post #AFnXmFO5777GjHkOfo by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T12:03:36.983405Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot do you like any non-american country/folk music? I like gypsy stuff sometimes, I like rick bishop (no idea why his music calls to me but I love it)He’s kinda indescribable but at the same time familiar to an uncanny degree…
(DIR) Post #AFnXrUpH8myi3jyCgK by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T12:04:34.857035Z
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@AR-15 @amerika @alex @ChristiJunior @coyote @Crankenstein @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos > Conservatives just take 5-10 years to adopt things liberals want.I think you mean Republicans/Democrats.This is the kind of thing that made me dodge the letter of the question rather than the spirit.
(DIR) Post #AFnXsVqWpiPjVs2asi by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T12:04:45.268183Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I hope not
(DIR) Post #AFnYC8xhcsGyKXl0We by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T12:08:18.745497Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I would add another vector: how much it obstructs something that you want.I think that's a contributing factor to the tolerance axis. If it interferes, I'm less willing to tolerate it.> But if it displaces your 70s AOR from the airwaves?Luckily, we don't have to worry about the airwaves, but regardless... :jellobiafrasmug:Lard - 70s Rock Must Die.mp3
(DIR) Post #AFnYQHOF5U0QWWuZVo by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T12:10:52.030880Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > They basically bleat out the same vision of humanism/utilitarianism/altruism/individualism.People pushing something will do so by making appeals to that sort of value. Machiavellians always want to look unobjectionable.
(DIR) Post #AFnYbAxLLg9lkrWdRA by meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T12:12:50.184487Z
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@p @likho @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos Wondering if there is one next to me, a Chick-Fil-A that is. - Cancel culture brings an opposite effect than the intended one to a lot of people, making some want to do something out of the ordinary in order to spite those who wish to coerce them into action or suspension of an activity. Thus cancel culture just creates a divide. Don't get me wrong, cancel culture can succeed but it creates a more impassioned resistance. Does it defeat the point? For some. I think
(DIR) Post #AFnYyxZwjkrPDQvHFY by Earmuffs@bae.st
2022-01-25T12:17:07.486817Z
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@pBad take :p: bad take :02_gao: Hanz get me cockenexploden for this Dummkopf! :02_angry: @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriotillust_54935498_20211007_205458.jpg
(DIR) Post #AFnZ35pjzJbZyYHVPU by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T12:17:52.908290Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Traditions are weight; if nothing else, there is a cost to maintaining them. Do you think it's the case that they are always valuable?Father of the bride pays for the wedding. That's a tradition, it's harmless on its own (someone's got to pay for the wedding), so the cost is just remembering it. Obviously there's a limit to how many you can keep around, and for those with nonzero cost (having a wedding to begin with), they have to serve a purpose or they're bulk without a reason, and we don't do that if we want to survive.I mean, clearly, you can have too much bulk to move. You can dispute the example, but the principle should be obvious.
(DIR) Post #AFna52eqrjpQeygIPw by Earmuffs@bae.st
2022-01-25T12:29:24.456294Z
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@pChurchill a chud a cunt and ugly bastard with no drip :02_gao: @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriothqdefault.jpg
(DIR) Post #AFnb49tkYq6SmPnCBU by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T12:40:29.066458Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @Hyolobrika @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos Yeah, completely. So I think, you know, it's all trade-offs. We can keep idiots safe and happy, but you have a shit society if that comes at the cost of not getting Erdos his amphetamines, so I pick a dangerous place with Erdoses over a safe place without Erdoses.
(DIR) Post #AFnbA8xowonjcTYBXM by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T12:41:33.964079Z
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@coyote @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos Based on, sure, it has to reflect reality to some extent. But what you care about, physical laws don't create that directly.
(DIR) Post #AFnbF7iF1kwRBddbea by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T12:42:27.963595Z
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@coyote @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos Would you believe that the school of thinking that popularized that in the western psyche was funded by the CIA?Because the school of thinking that popularized that in the western psyche was funded by the CIA.
(DIR) Post #AFnblL8WeXY65SIINM by has@silkhe.art
2022-01-25T12:48:14.530Z
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@coyote@enitor.xyz @p@freespeechextremist.com @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com @alex@gleasonator.com @Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc @rikkatakarada@kiwifarms.cc @wjmaggos@liberal.city @amerika@noagendasocial.com @dew_the_dew@poa.st @sim@shitposter.club @freedompatriot@socnet.supes.com
(DIR) Post #AFnc57H5tss2t3jRwW by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T12:51:51.751674Z
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@coyote @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos I do like Johnny Cash, and when I say I hate folk music, I'm talking "accoustic guitar singer/songwriter hippie" stuff, the stuff that'd be under "Folk" in the record store that no longer exists. I think a lot of old English melodies are really nice, old Japanese singing/shamisen stuff (I don't know or don't remember the name of that style) is pretty if the lady doesn't warble too hard, Russian folk music is all right, at least as much as I've heard. Bluegrass distresses me.Also video game music that vaguely resembles Russian folk music, which I think I have heard more than actual Russian folk music.Tetris_Slavic_Roots_OC_ReMix.mp3
(DIR) Post #AFndNUoNEJIp3Gct84 by meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T13:06:23.355712Z
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@p @coyote @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos Do you like Israeli music? Hear the songs below.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUAvhOvIsG4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGiNUsSHkr0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1S5kM8nMLY
(DIR) Post #AFndiTbwt7OZPTopt2 by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T13:10:10.860645Z
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@p @amerika @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos fortunately, we all care about eating (unless we care about something else more)
(DIR) Post #AFndy11QwsyjNO9Ho8 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T13:12:59.358081Z
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@Elfie @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos All I'm sayin', Churchill got paid and laid, and not with Rohm, Churchill screwed Coco Chanel.
(DIR) Post #AFneD8FgLo7o8v1ObY by dubh@husk.site
2022-01-25T13:15:42.903224Z
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@has @p @coyote @alex @sim @Crankenstein @freedompatriot @amerika @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior Oh hell yeah, they’re serving break fast now.
(DIR) Post #AFnePSPLEno687PtjM by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T13:17:56.923623Z
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@meshyagain @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos Personally? I mean, I'm a nutjob in terms of music, so the first two were upsetting, the third one was okay.
(DIR) Post #AFneYIAOgPSsySdhWC by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T13:19:31.656434Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot right, a distinction between and association of the physical/external with the metaphysical/internal… Gets hairy… I guess what I’m saying is pragmatism for instance is much different from Marxism
(DIR) Post #AFnf3a2KIFitNDmeHI by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T13:25:12.001387Z
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@p @amerika @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @Hyolobrika @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos the city is its own punishment
(DIR) Post #AFnfFfVdltDLp2G8SO by has@silkhe.art
2022-01-25T13:27:21.502Z
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@dubh@husk.site @p@freespeechextremist.com @coyote@enitor.xyz @alex@gleasonator.com @sim@shitposter.club @Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc @freedompatriot@socnet.supes.com @amerika@noagendasocial.com @wjmaggos@liberal.city @dew_the_dew@poa.st @ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
(DIR) Post #AFnfGySanXuAt2SLS4 by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T13:27:37.238379Z
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@p @likho @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos I stopped eating there when their CEO shined Lecrae's shoes or something
(DIR) Post #AFnfOna97v7rSuij3o by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T13:29:02.083904Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos contending with nature is really hard and requires the cooperation of multiple people for the economies of scale
(DIR) Post #AFniBJWPsVWCKjEmDw by meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T14:00:12.764253Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos Maybe you need to learn Hebrew to know why they are so pretty. It isn't all just the tune, after all. After I learned English, I liked English songs way better. But I'm not sure.
(DIR) Post #AFnj1KJUBGPhqWzUJM by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T14:09:36.769333Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @likho @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos oh, it was worse than I remembered: https://archive.is/gs4UJ
(DIR) Post #AFnjJ83MVBUf2DwCS8 by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T14:12:48.506987Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot what you are describing is more commonly referred to as “folk” but would be more accurately described as “American folk-rock,” and folk itself is a broader classification IMO. Bluegrass is American country-folk, and I dunno the nuances of Russian folk, but stuff like that is all folk. I’m not sure if the shamisen stuff counts as “Japanese Folk”, seems more like “Japanese Classical”, that was more the rich folk’s game, the peasants had drums and such fwiu but I’m not sure what else they may have had in terms of instruments
(DIR) Post #AFnkcsQIQL9iIxe4oa by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T14:27:36.246802Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @likho @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos I guess that must have been before I knew about PUFAs
(DIR) Post #AFnkrbxVv5DPaNCzqa by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2022-01-25T14:30:14.898231Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot One can have freedom or one can have absolute safety, choose one :thinking_cirno:
(DIR) Post #AFnlhZSkRh3stzavDc by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T14:39:38.371601Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot would you say it’s from “giving an inch, taking a mile”?
(DIR) Post #AFnn06GfJd9LoPLH5U by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2022-01-25T14:54:11.386257Z
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@coyote @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I suppose that's a way of looking at it. I'd more say that it's somewhat a case of an inverse relationship, though not exact. It is frequently the case that regulations, rules, laws, and so on designed to enforce safety frequently do so at the cost of freedom. They don't necessarily have to do so, but they do frequently. Motorcycle helmet laws is an example of this. Personally, while I think riding a motorcycle without a helmet is a fancy way to volunteer as an organ donor, I'm against such things being forced by the law. On the other hand, if one chooses not to wear a helmet and gets into a wreck, the consequences of those choices should lay on the person doing the choosing
(DIR) Post #AFnn63ZCGsE7Ajqmhc by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T14:55:16.580550Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot agreed to almost every extent, except drugs, they should be permitted like they were in the 30s
(DIR) Post #AFnn8f3DsOuM0U8XM8 by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T14:55:44.873237Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I’ve always thought of that in mixed feelings though
(DIR) Post #AFnnHIoXvBeLeBONtY by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2022-01-25T14:57:18.223631Z
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@coyote @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Sure, if a person wants to get absolutely blitzed out of their mind on whatever twists their proverbial, or literal, nipples, they should be free to do so. They should also bear the consequences of those choices as well and not try and foist them off on the rest of the world
(DIR) Post #AFnnzzZ6Ksm6yiTg24 by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T15:05:22.762192Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot agreed. I’d just legalize certain ones. Just all the ones from the 30s lmao even LSD, MDMA, low grade speed, low grade heroin (30s grade), peyote, Lysergic acid, DMT and mushrooms
(DIR) Post #AFno0yRlyk9rneWBZw by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T15:05:33.832327Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @Hyolobrika @alex @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @p @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos weed and alcohol ofc
(DIR) Post #AFnobPYGgIc0HxvlpY by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T15:12:08.501268Z
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@ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @Hyolobrika @alex @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @p @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos @wolfie this is in an ideal government
(DIR) Post #AFnodNvtfg0FqZvMbA by coyote@enitor.xyz
2022-01-25T15:12:30.362392Z
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@ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @Hyolobrika @alex @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @p @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos @wolfie Too bad I don’t want it for any gov I see
(DIR) Post #AFnqKKcNyFk1yNqA5I by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2022-01-25T15:31:27.824111Z
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@coyote @ChristiJunior @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I'd say the best government is the one that governs the least :thinking_cirno:
(DIR) Post #AFntgO2yCeMmqAU1qq by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T16:09:05.019633Z
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@p The problem with "folk" as a commercial genre is that it's a catch-all for untalented political hacks from the hippie era and those who wish they were.Good folk music is just traditional music that has valid names in its own original country or region, or is just a heartfelt musician playing in a way that rarely gets you signed.@coyote @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos
(DIR) Post #AFntp5uoz6htDGp97Y by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T16:10:39.440186Z
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@leyonhjelm @p @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos labels' "folk" music is as plastic as anything else
(DIR) Post #AFntpwPnnAO02Picd6 by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T16:10:48.341335Z
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@ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @sim @freedompatriot Sometimes the radio station I listen to in my car has a folk music hour and I got to hear that fucking Emmit Till song for the first time.
(DIR) Post #AFnttYRIsKgSpw8z4K by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T16:11:27.803402Z
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@dew_the_dew I don't know it but I bet the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald is better@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @sim @freedompatriot
(DIR) Post #AFnu9IPyD7XVmR1hUe by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T16:14:18.228263Z
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@ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @sim @freedompatriot youtu.be/YEX-PBZ348I
(DIR) Post #AFnuPuBNZPsNXS7aka by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T16:17:18.601579Z
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@dew_the_dew I'm not falling for that old trick@ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @sim @freedompatriot
(DIR) Post #AFnvYzlEIe7DOpmwyW by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T16:30:09.470976Z
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@p A gay coworker took me to lunch at Chick-Fil-A a few years back at his choice. It was a pleasant day, and he relished the offense to the bitchy "community" types.@likho @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos
(DIR) Post #AFnvjgbDsj3P9nCovQ by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T16:32:05.398074Z
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@p @dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggosWinston Churchill.jpg
(DIR) Post #AFnx66fRk2NqKZR6Aa by nugger@poa.st
2022-01-25T16:47:20.278458Z
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@ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot CHRUCHIL: "YOUR RIGHT BESSIE. AND I ALSO HAVE SOME ANTHRAX BOMBLETS. AND TOMORROW MORNING IM GONNA HAVE THESE BOMBLETS SPREAD ALL OVER CENTRAL EUROPE FROM A BOMBER PLANE. I JUST FUCKING HATE EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD AND BEAUTIFUL, BESSIE. THIS IS JUST A RUBBER FATMAN SUIT; IF YOU STABBED ME WITH A KNIFE RIGHT NOW -- I WOULD DEFLATE AS BLACK GOOP WOULD POUR OUT AND THEN IM JUST A THIN EVIL GOBLIN HIDING INSIDE."AND HE WAS VERY RIGHT, IT WAS A VERY CANDID CONVERSATION
(DIR) Post #AFnypfoE250cJ1pmF6 by kazcynski_stan@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-25T17:06:46.725523Z
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@nugger @ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "what would you do if you stabbed churchill and all his fat rapidly putrified, leaving only a goblin made of pure malice"
(DIR) Post #AFnyq0nZzfyDP6h3eS by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:06:50Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Classical composers used to take folk music, clean it up and organize it, for the same effect as the video game music (almost all of which owes a lot to these same composers). Check out Brahm's Hungarian Dances.
(DIR) Post #AFnyrYI0xdlLZ0fCmO by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:07:06Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @sim @freedompatriot This lady has a giant head.
(DIR) Post #AFnytDvxc7ut0j93qK by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:07:25Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @sim @freedompatriot Emmett Till was a rapist like his father.
(DIR) Post #AFnywt7UwR1bcFHyqG by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T17:08:05.186304Z
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@ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @sim @freedompatriot boo hoo nigger
(DIR) Post #AFnyxxf7XT8TzdWlPc by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:08:16Z
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@leyonhjelm @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "commercial genre"I found the problem with almost everything.That and the Leftist element you mention...Good folk music exists, but it doesn't resemble the post blues/rock version much at all.Sounds more like Eduardian pub bands.
(DIR) Post #AFnz0vAfG26T8Sh2UC by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:08:48Z
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@coyote @Crankenstein @sim @dew_the_dew @alex @rikkatakarada @Hyolobrika @ChristiJunior @freedompatriot @wjmaggos @wolfie @p I would legalize nothing, decriminalize everything."Make your own decisions, and natural selection will judge you."
(DIR) Post #AFnz2CaG0EW1QiH5qS by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2022-01-25T17:09:01.190897Z
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@amerika @leyonhjelm @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot If you're gonna keep this retarded thread alive, tag me the fuck out already.
(DIR) Post #AFnz3TwIxc5lXyCJg8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:09:16Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Just an FYI: the problem with drugs isn't the blitzed, it's the brain damage or pathologies that follow.
(DIR) Post #AFnz6usRGOYnxf1jiy by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:09:53Z
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@throwaway1 @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Cities are hell disguised as heavens.
(DIR) Post #AFnzBmfnC1t5xtQtwO by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T17:10:46.698491Z
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@coyote @leyonhjelm @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @sim @freedompatriot hi @ChristiJunior hi! i'm good how r u
(DIR) Post #AFnzDPXSB4EInHJASu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:11:04Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Realism just says "adapt to reality" instead of caring about what humans want to think, judge, and feel about reality.
(DIR) Post #AFnzIPblLXsCSPhzDk by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:11:58Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I do not believe there are universal truths, values, and communications.I believe reality is relative and therefore, not the same to anyone, but that the whole thing carries on by its own rules and we are just along for the ride.
(DIR) Post #AFnzKoYNZShSP4Gt8K by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:12:24Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Traditions also have efficiency: far less message passing.
(DIR) Post #AFnzN5SvfB7VQzo1iK by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:12:48Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I mention the tripartite game theory strategy frequently.
(DIR) Post #AFnziMn4RdxTFQNEjQ by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:16:39Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot This is why I am intolerant of things that crush civilization.Lard, that 80s band? Classics. I remember flipping past those LPs in Amoeba, Sound Plus, Cheapos, Atomic, Rhino, and Sound Exchange.
(DIR) Post #AFnzlzdGUKo0aAW5BY by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:17:19Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Part of being in civilization is having to content with other conscious beings.The question is whether we can collaborate on a civilization.Otherwise, FSE is going to look pretty sad sitting around without users.
(DIR) Post #AFnzt6osAH7otsL50K by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:18:36Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot 'I think you can just watch the human tragicomedy play out and arrive at "This would be better if everyone fucked off and left people alone."'Interesting. I came to the exact opposite conclusion: that our apathy made it happen."There is a thing, we call it altruism."We might just say "manipulation."
(DIR) Post #AFnzwGTMjONhhvmfh2 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:19:10Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "Just Ayn Rand said it was evil, and I think she was wrong; compelling others to sacrifice is evil."Either that, or both are are goods or evils depending on their results, not innately good or evil based on method.
(DIR) Post #AFo000bXfclveTOTeC by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:19:51Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I think our problem remains the Mongol invasions and the Muslim slave raids.Something like that will always exist.Those who organize survive.
(DIR) Post #AFo03t6LVc13XVeSyu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:20:33Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I don't think that's tradition, more like political precedent.Tradition is values, ways of life, calendar, cuisine, language, stories, etc.You've been talking strictly politics and technology, which I think is a non sequitur here.
(DIR) Post #AFo07cVr7ug5FWMbJY by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:21:13Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I disagree; you just have to plan one that resists falling into that late stage.Just like software design: you want the parts to fail gracefully.For example, the pagans knew how to design localized failure; the Christians, who wrote their religion, did not.
(DIR) Post #AFo0Bpq5WOwXjqpwaO by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:21:59Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I always think of these two of course:(1) http://www.nokilli.com/sacto/karen-greenlee.htm(2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GTHuZkqRS4
(DIR) Post #AFo0FInMJvVePeDIgK by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:22:36Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Maybe, but at this point, I'd rather eat something less endangered.Like, uh, obese people with IQs lower than 120.Never eat the brains though. I use a captive bolt pistol for the culling process itself.
(DIR) Post #AFo0JAp5tzV8qWs4hs by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:23:18Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Mathematics is a useful part of realism, when it is not "pure theory" I suppose."Any set of ideas has a boundary."This depends. You could design a civilization around cat ownership.
(DIR) Post #AFo0MQSOETMgCbnnMW by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:23:54Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @PonyPanda @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot And like any effect, it had a cause... so without that cause/effect relationship, FSE does not exist in any relevant format.This is why there's more to it than "live and let live," in my view.
(DIR) Post #AFo0QUVd6lgrvdFwOm by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:24:37Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @PonyPanda @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "If I'm hitchhiking from LA to Houston and you say you're going to Nawlins, we can ride at least that far."No doubt, but translated to society, this leads to one group that wants Houston and one that wants Nawlins, and they will clobber each other.
(DIR) Post #AFo0TosRpwLPy3W4Z6 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:25:14Z
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@coyote @Crankenstein @sim @dew_the_dew @alex @rikkatakarada @ChristiJunior @freedompatriot @wjmaggos @p Ideology by its nature is a symbolic, conjectural belief system.Realism explains how things work, and therefore can be a goal in itself: understand and adapt to reality.Not very popular these days.
(DIR) Post #AFo0Z9FZWAvCbKsCQK by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:26:11Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I disagree that the distinction is important.All rules are going to influence, directly or indirectly, all areas of civilization.All civilizations punish those who do not follow the rules.The words you may be looking for are permissive and prescriptive.
(DIR) Post #AFo0ZIgqQ95JsWhbgO by nugger@poa.st
2022-01-25T17:26:13.711907Z
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@ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @p @alex @Crankenstein @kazcynski_stan @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot RUNSCREAM A LOUD SCREAMPRAYGRAB IT AND SWING IT AROUND INTO WALLS AND OBJECTS
(DIR) Post #AFo0bKWEalSs86hudc by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:26:35Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "Very little, if anything, has ever been accomplished by the mediocre and the banal. To make rules and rules and rules to keep such safe is absurdity."A good nutshell on the problem of egalitarianism.
(DIR) Post #AFo0dslyCxvswfHi6K by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:27:03Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "Communism is a utilitarian philosophy. The individual is subservient to the collective."Not quite, since the collective exists to subsidize the individual (equality, socialism).
(DIR) Post #AFo0mzzejNapwj27NI by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:28:42Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "An intolerant society fucks over people that achieve great things, and for what? Really, for what? Tell me these leaps and bounds in scientific endeavor are worth the horseshit we go through to keep mediocre idiots safe and happy?"I agree, but I don't think it's intolerance. It's control: the demand that all use the same methods.
(DIR) Post #AFo0qAHUwCKCiot8Oe by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:29:16Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I miss old school blue boxing and piracy because they vaulted many people ahead of where they would have been otherwise.No one wants to admit it, but piracy makes new companies wealthy by advertising their product better than they ever could.
(DIR) Post #AFo0v0RovSpvfi1c8W by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:30:08Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot My solution to the urban density problem is to make everywhere The Woodlands.Of course, that's too bad for those in apartments.
(DIR) Post #AFo0zk1PQOOqAvvfmq by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:31:00Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "I don't think a stranger has any authority to tell me what to do."Depends on the stranger and what he is telling you.Very few of us know the historical authorities we read, for example."Order is an emergent property of human society."'Order' is a broad category that includes chaos.
(DIR) Post #AFo15H1GAT5JxnUtfs by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:32:00Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "The telegraph enabled the superstate; the state as it currently exists should not exist."To history, both would be indistinguishable from the empires of Khan and Darius.
(DIR) Post #AFo18gaJZZUw7cWN6m by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:32:37Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "I think you can agree that someone that's not in their right state of mind (in the case of this example, a severely depressed person that was also drunk) you should prevent from hurting themselves, but that's not the question."This question shows up in chapter one of the Republic, by the way.
(DIR) Post #AFo1Cff8wX7iQ7gDQW by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:33:20Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I think there it is the syllogism:1. It is good to give people what they are owed, like giving a friend back his weapons.2. But if he is inverted, or not in his right mind, the goodness of this is inverted too.3. Therefore what matters is not the deed but the outcome.Great book.
(DIR) Post #AFo1GqU6eJBj8tVYgK by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:34:05Z
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@peaceful @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "The Moral Law is not any one instinct or set of instincts: it is something which makes a kind of tune (the tune we call goodness or right conduct) by directing the instincts."It is a goal, not a series of methods.This conflicts with the Leftist ideal, where right conduct is a series of methods.Following the Asiatic model of course.
(DIR) Post #AFo1KA2wNJrMgINlwG by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:34:41Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot History shows us clearly what they will deliver, therefore it is reasonable to assume that it is what they want.
(DIR) Post #AFo1NeiColDAepLmFM by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:35:19Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "Either we got good and evil because these are inherent to our nature or it came from somewhere."I don't trust 'em. They're scapegoats to mysticize and therefore remove from our projection of agency the concepts of good and bad outcomes, which involves a question of humanism versus order.
(DIR) Post #AFo1QQZdq6Yng4fMmG by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:35:49Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot All of this comes down to your trolley problem.10,000 pedophiles on track B, one anime masturbator on track A.Do you pull the lever?
(DIR) Post #AFo1UMufOOMJTwNbQO by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:36:32Z
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@wizard_problems @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @likho @sim @freedompatriot Generally I hate the way most normie food is mostly bread.It's junk nutrition in most cases, basically sugar loaf with added plastics and preservatives.
(DIR) Post #AFo1W9kvHVWFFrft9E by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:36:51Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @likho @sim @freedompatriot I always got the chicken tenders and hit them with tabasco. High salt but not terrible.
(DIR) Post #AFo1iPmdW6T6RGJzKi by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T17:39:04Z
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@kazcynski_stan @ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @nugger @sim @freedompatriot I don't like Churchill. He had a chance to avoid that war but refused for his own vainglorious ambitions. Whether he thought FDR and Stalin were scam artists, he formed an alliance with them.
(DIR) Post #AFo7pJyy5CrsCOlY3s by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T18:47:33.519064Z
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@ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @wizard_problems @likho @sim @freedompatriot It doesn't fill you up and creates a weird dependency cycle. Once you break out of the perception that this type of consumption (eg eating a whole bag of Doritos in a sitting) is somehow Normal it becomes revolting.
(DIR) Post #AFoL5PFFaDmQYfNkDA by dave@gleasonator.com
2022-01-25T21:16:07.122432Z
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If everyone understands that we all have to mind our own business, we get to have a societyMe realizing that the gamers had it wrong all these years. We do not in fact live in a society.
(DIR) Post #AFoLqlYaRhldMr0dyC by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T21:24:42.004486Z
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@throwaway1 @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @Hyolobrika @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos That's what I thought when going to New York, "There's no way this many people want to be here."
(DIR) Post #AFoLv9CgTBrfrgqzaq by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-01-25T21:25:29.175953Z
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@p But there is a way this many people are not able to escape, or have stockholm syndrome about the whole thing.@ChristiJunior @coyote @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot
(DIR) Post #AFoM1VF7RPv7xL1V5c by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:26:35Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot New York is appalling to me.Then again, huge parts of LA are as well, and SF makes me want to fling napalm around.
(DIR) Post #AFoM3QVY16llqkcnia by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:26:58Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Urbanization went over 50% worldwide in the late 2000s, I think.
(DIR) Post #AFoMDmOfUMjQdKLN7w by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T21:28:51.552872Z
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@amerika @p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot just think of how many people grow up not knowing any alternative
(DIR) Post #AFoMDvBsnGqtuHQmwq by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T21:28:52.806005Z
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@ChristiJunior @coyote @p @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @neo @sim @freedompatriot i'm eating pizza IN NEW YORK it's real NEW YORK pizza!i'm riding public transit IN NEW YORK it's such a NEW YORK experiencei'm shopping IN NEW YORKi'm doing coke in a bathroom with a stranger IN NEW YORKi'm getting AIDS IN NEW YORKi'm avoiding deranged homeless people IN NEW YORKi'm stepping over garbage IN NEW YORKi'm getting robbed IN NEW YORKI LOVE NEW YORK THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE IT ON EARTH
(DIR) Post #AFoMIrX3p5c20Zh1RQ by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:29:45Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @neo @sim @freedompatriot It's basically marketing, the same thing that makes people want a Prius or Crocs.
(DIR) Post #AFoMKPKHfCQx6kSAr2 by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T21:30:03.129459Z
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@ChristiJunior @coyote @p @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @sim @freedompatriot they may as well be their own distinct species
(DIR) Post #AFoMRuMqePmPPMEHuS by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-01-25T21:31:24.145222Z
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@amerika The Prius supposedly sports the best city gas mileage of really any car I looked up.@dew_the_dew You're getting ROBBED in NEW YORKYou're getting HOMELESS in NEW YORKYou won the fight against yourself. You loved New York.@coyote @p @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @sim @freedompatriot
(DIR) Post #AFoMcXREF3qlTmLajI by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T21:33:19.736102Z
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@ChristiJunior @coyote @p @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @neo @sim @freedompatriot >kid in the boring suburbs watching network sitcoms set in nyc>everyone is super well dressed>their apartments are spacious and look cool and they have cool balconies>you have your group of cool friends and you all hang out at the same cool hangout spot>every day is an interesting adventure even when it's mundane
(DIR) Post #AFoMikMb6BuDIu8pSi by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-01-25T21:34:27.042439Z
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@dew_the_dew >show up in reality>get knifed for your clothes and phone>bike is gone as you stumble your way over>you bleed out>god bless new york@coyote @p @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @sim @freedompatriot
(DIR) Post #AFoMjm7E4Pdb1lRSO8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:34:37Z
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@neo @rikkatakarada @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @throwaway1 @Crankenstein @wjmaggos @p @sim @freedompatriot @alex @coyote Perhaps, but it's much more complicated than a regular car and more expensive.Better to just buy a used Corolla and drive it until the front falls off.
(DIR) Post #AFoMniMvwTBOZ8fRkO by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:35:20Z
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@neo @rikkatakarada @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @throwaway1 @Crankenstein @wjmaggos @p @sim @freedompatriot @alex @coyote Fade out music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le1QF3uoQNg
(DIR) Post #AFoMp4rfmxgOcnhBK4 by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-01-25T21:35:35.664605Z
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@amerika I had much the same thought, although I personally prefer to drive a honda.@rikkatakarada @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @throwaway1 @Crankenstein @wjmaggos @p @sim @freedompatriot @alex @coyote
(DIR) Post #AFoMpRMy7HmwQEVU9o by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T21:35:39.642130Z
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@coyote @p @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @neo @sim @freedompatriot mfw the front fell off my corolla and i am somehow still able to sell it for more than i paid for it
(DIR) Post #AFoMsslSicwSFsbYPI by neo@pl.comfysnug.space
2022-01-25T21:36:16.923676Z
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@dew_the_dew guess the front doesn't matter that much lol@coyote @p @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @sim @freedompatriot
(DIR) Post #AFoMuLlyLuQ8VoXkKu by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T21:36:32.879284Z
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@coyote @p @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @neo @sim @freedompatriot it is a 'zomg used car prices amirite' joke
(DIR) Post #AFoN5zHRnv0GEDoYzo by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:38:38Z
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@dave @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot We live in a GaaS (government as a service)
(DIR) Post #AFoN7uZIIKzEC24zpo by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T21:39:00.221029Z
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@throwaway1 @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @likho @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos I'll stop when the chicken stops tasting good.
(DIR) Post #AFoNBrhws6U4Tp0rq4 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:39:42Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @likho @sim @freedompatriot I am a restaurant disliker.If you're on the road though, and there's no other option... Chick-fil-A is least likely to give you endoparasites.
(DIR) Post #AFoNCqXmgVbB9xj6xs by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:39:53Z
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@neo @rikkatakarada @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @throwaway1 @Crankenstein @wjmaggos @p @sim @freedompatriot @alex @coyote It's there for aesthetics really.
(DIR) Post #AFoNFMA66JLNnfqOhc by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:40:20Z
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@neo @rikkatakarada @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @throwaway1 @Crankenstein @wjmaggos @p @sim @freedompatriot @alex @coyote Those are good too but popular with Hispanics so the price of a used one went up.
(DIR) Post #AFoNMoZEt7y1vRA024 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:41:41Z
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@neo @rikkatakarada @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @throwaway1 @Crankenstein @wjmaggos @p @sim @freedompatriot @alex @coyote People in America rank their worth by their zip code, really.Sort of sad since cities generally terrify and appall me.I think I'm suburban and rural in my soul, even if I'm probably too non-standard for most communities.
(DIR) Post #AFoNaZPq1CHizIK2Iy by iamtakingiteasy@eientei.org
2022-01-25T21:44:09.233416Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @likho @sim @freedompatriot
(DIR) Post #AFoNjL7uVxBDHE7Ot6 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:45:45Z
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@iamtakingiteasy @dew_the_dew @likho @coyote @freedompatriot @throwaway1 @sim @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @wjmaggos @rikkatakarada @p Thanks for that bucket of pink sparkle AIDS. It was cheerful at least.
(DIR) Post #AFoNrNkQeVtTityC48 by iamtakingiteasy@eientei.org
2022-01-25T21:47:11.397843Z
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@amerika @dew_the_dew @likho @coyote @freedompatriot @throwaway1 @sim @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @wjmaggos @rikkatakarada @p
(DIR) Post #AFoNyIJfFIOAu7kNPM by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T21:48:28.241266Z
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@throwaway1 @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos Yes; the point of the example is to illustrate that rights are only meaningful in the presence of other people.
(DIR) Post #AFoO2SGOCj4IugCP7g by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T21:49:13.354924Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos sorry, I wasn't following the context of the thread and was just replying to individual points
(DIR) Post #AFoO57siRKlYZKOqGm by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:49:41Z
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@throwaway1 @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Rights are absolutes and I do not believe in them.
(DIR) Post #AFoODWTCu6vl95TKLI by Alumina@fedi.absturztau.be
2022-01-25T21:51:12.317506Z
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@neo @coyote @p @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @sim @freedompatriot >meanwhile in LA>while up to a homeless man>have a dance off>laugh about it>walk our separate ways:blobsunglasses:
(DIR) Post #AFoOESkwCLZlusDJ20 by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T21:51:23.564423Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I'd still rather be ruled by libertarians
(DIR) Post #AFoOM4qwx8q66Celvs by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-25T21:52:45.786051Z
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@ChristiJunior @coyote @p @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @sim @freedompatriot but they don't want to rule you?
(DIR) Post #AFoONYUSFRVgJ4q6ds by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:52:58Z
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@throwaway1 @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I like libertarian economics, but I think they dodge the civilization question.Sort of like how National Socialists do, just a different method.
(DIR) Post #AFoOPAprAQ31WPcbsu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:53:19Z
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@dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @sim @freedompatriot They will allow you to be ruled by invading Mongol armies.
(DIR) Post #AFoOTA2q34CAECaxua by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T21:54:02.944825Z
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@dew_the_dew @amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @sim @freedompatriot I'm not on poa.st; I'm on @p's instance, where a chill anarchist is the dictator
(DIR) Post #AFoOVedhGnBNh71Zk8 by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T21:54:29.981450Z
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@amerika @dew_the_dew @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @sim @freedompatriot that's the part I don't like quite as much
(DIR) Post #AFoOpibEFuN5lhRAbg by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T21:58:06Z
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@throwaway1 @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot https://www.freespeechextremist.com/ is a great example of how to do the Fediverse right.
(DIR) Post #AFoPWDNWD84jOEHvZA by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T22:05:48.358003Z
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@throwaway1 @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @likho @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos I can't tell; that's a boat-clicking website and I don't click boats.Anyway, I just assume most CEOs are depraved. Doesn't matter.
(DIR) Post #AFoPotOyhtJ2w5sRc0 by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T22:09:10.892261Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @likho @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos worse than archive.is is wapo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/06/16/qa-rapper-lecrae-his-discomfort-with-hearing-slavery-described-white-blessing/ (don't click)
(DIR) Post #AFoQ3GC0lfLnftfAbQ by throwaway1@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T22:11:46.687740Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @likho @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos I'll copy the article into a reply to https://freespeechextremist.com/notice/AFoPvyKul7tyGcLtj6 and try to clean it up some
(DIR) Post #AFoQFezAPl0E2kZGqW by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T22:14:01.148118Z
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@coyote @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @Hyolobrika @alex @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos @wolfie > this is in an ideal government:ronsmug:perfect_government.mp4
(DIR) Post #AFoQhMGZbc8a5wuurA by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T22:19:01.492445Z
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@leyonhjelm @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos > The problem with "folk" as a commercial genre is that it's a catch-all for untalented political hacks from the hippie era and those who wish they were.Yeah, record-store "Folk". Or, you know, when they put some overproduced bongo-related chanting into "World Music".
(DIR) Post #AFoRDhiDPEaHsIGno0 by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T22:24:52.238982Z
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@p Rather hear that than these hippies@ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos
(DIR) Post #AFoRGN3AgQO4f4LMsS by captain_arepa@cachapa.moe
2022-01-25T22:25:20.557347Z
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@pSwanson Wisdom :cultured: @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @amerika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot
(DIR) Post #AFoS3DgYI34Zo43ZeS by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T22:34:10.852298Z
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@leyonhjelm @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @likho @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos Most people really don't care and they just want some chicken; I think the "community" types and the people that even know what the "community" types are upset about is a really small percentage.Also while you're here, this thread could use some jokes anyway, and I thought about tagging you in the thread where these appeared but I did not do that:1041.jpg4055.jpg
(DIR) Post #AFoSMizq6HrqPzNY48 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T22:37:42.356185Z
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@nugger @leyonhjelm @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > bawww churchill mean to europeFilthy continentals get what they fucking deserve. :joker:
(DIR) Post #AFoSRo3ci93tYwZWCG by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T22:38:37.457586Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @likho @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos3d92595d57adf85a.jpg
(DIR) Post #AFoSf3YAQAJlNQB0Hw by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T22:41:01.135893Z
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@kazcynski_stan @nugger @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @amerika @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @leyonhjelm @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos > Fan of :tedk:> Whines about :churchill: bombing people:shiggy:
(DIR) Post #AFoT1re4qfDf7DogoS by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T22:45:07Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot If Grumpy Cat were a person...
(DIR) Post #AFoTCZXeUucK9Zuvz6 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T22:47:04.569380Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Yeah, the old video game music composers were really great. Most of the music is bland now, Cyberpunk 2077 had some good stuff, Hotline Miami was excellent.While on the topic of music, I was thinking the other day, you know "Funiculi, Funicula" is a song about how awesome Italy's first funicular train was. Songs don't tend to celebrate achievements like that any more.funiculi_funicula.mp3
(DIR) Post #AFoTDoKsyl9oKHXKHA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T22:47:17Z
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@peaceful @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot In my view, being realistic leads closer to understanding the divine.
(DIR) Post #AFoTI3ExVTgbi3mo3E by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-25T22:48:03Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot People have lost enthusiasm for the good things in life, and are mired in the decay.
(DIR) Post #AFoTTc2KTWc2oWOLPU by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T22:50:09.347214Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Realism just says "adapt to reality" instead of caring about what humans want to think, judge, and feel about reality.Why, though? Why adapt to reality? Why care if you live or die to begin with?It's an approach; you have to come from somewhere and want something.
(DIR) Post #AFoTZQIl1Dew9iqXzs by kazcynski_stan@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-25T22:51:11.793644Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @nugger @sim @freedompatriot it's only based if you're bombing the right people.
(DIR) Post #AFoUab5OVXNnqZigU4 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T23:02:37.385174Z
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@amerika @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Traditions also have efficiency: far less message passing.Yeah, that's one of their advantages. "Father of the bride pays for the wedding" also prevents negotiations about who pays for the wedding. But the point is that the value can be less than the cost. Traditions have utility, I don't think anyone's disputing that, but the cost and the utility can change over time for any given tradition. You can't soothsay with goat entrails nowadays: you don't have any goats. (Probably?) We've also, more or less, concluded that you can't predict the future with goat entrails."Tradition" isn't a formless mass impenetrable to analysis, it's a large number of tradeoffs, some very deeply interconnected with the others (so the cost of eliminating them has to factor in severing the connections while trying to preserve the things it was connected to). You can't predict which ones to eliminate, but for any given person, there are some traditions they completely ignore, some they don't like but stick to, and some they find comforting or useful. Successful reproduction takes care of the rest.
(DIR) Post #AFoViuzSUJGpqkTVYG by nugger@poa.st
2022-01-25T23:15:19.385344Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @alex @Crankenstein @kazcynski_stan @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot >THIS NIGGAR TREATS FRIEND AND ENEMY THE SAMEARE YOU A LIBERTARIAN ALSO
(DIR) Post #AFoVjfMm3xFlgNjmHQ by nugger@poa.st
2022-01-25T23:15:27.521662Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot WRONG
(DIR) Post #AFoVxqjsZn1P0aJ8pU by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-25T23:18:01.824994Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Well, FSE exists because I think it is needed; it wouldn't need to exist if the current civilization did a better job of tolerating unpopular opinions.
(DIR) Post #AFoXEKXjdIbE2239TE by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-25T23:32:12.523557Z
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@amerika @sim @freedompatriot @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @wjmaggos @rikkatakarada @p @coyote @dew_the_dew @alex The answer is yes because conservatism is a liberal ideology and conservatives always ultimately end up in line with their progressive counter parts see lady maga
(DIR) Post #AFobp2i1InKtFeccDI by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T00:23:39.830281Z
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@amerika @coyote @Crankenstein @dew_the_dew @alex @rikkatakarada @ChristiJunior @freedompatriot @wjmaggos @p Is there an ideology that has this realism?
(DIR) Post #AFocignHy7TpV3cXPE by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T00:33:43.226048Z
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@throwaway1 @amerika @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @Hyolobrika @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @p @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos One too many, really.
(DIR) Post #AFodaNTY0girDqzHJg by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T00:43:25.416160Z
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@amerika @p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Unfortunate. Would be nice to see more enthusiasm for the good things in life but it takes more effort to find and celebrate them.
(DIR) Post #AFodoPkIMn3eJjVwCu by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T00:45:57.611753Z
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@p @amerika @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos I don't know, man. I think my body does a really good job of keeping me alive and surviving the daily grind and shit it is put through.
(DIR) Post #AFoeFGkBwVHyDZGrho by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T00:50:48.834007Z
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@Boomerman @amerika @freedompatriot @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @wjmaggos @rikkatakarada @p @coyote @dew_the_dew @alex Where did you get that conservatism is a liberal ideology? Does it always have to be this?
(DIR) Post #AFofaz36VqDxfA2Fjk by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2022-01-26T01:05:54Z
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@amerika@sim @freedompatriot @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @p @coyote @dew_the_dew @alexliberals can hang with just about anybody. thank you pluralism. hardcore progressives and conservatives cannot.
(DIR) Post #AFogHeKFRCYBqHOnB2 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T01:13:39.539562Z
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@amerika @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Interesting. I came to the exact opposite conclusion: that our apathy made it happen.What happened? Like, specifically; I think I'm missing some context.
(DIR) Post #AFogQoWyrcEO6Fiysi by 0@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T01:15:18.917200Z
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@wjmaggos @amerika @sim @freedompatriot @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @p @coyote @dew_the_dew @alex Cockroaches are adaptable in that way, but the answer to his question was no.
(DIR) Post #AFohEKs3PhECadC9x2 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T01:24:15.908824Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I thought the question of whether the end justify the means was solved a few thousand years ago.
(DIR) Post #AFoj6e8M6tuxvNHUzw by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T01:45:17.130495Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Those who organize survive.Groups that organize *may* survive as a group. Organization is legibility: you can't be organized top-down without be legible top-down, and top-down legibility means bottom-up blindness. Vulnerable to subversion. Self-organized structures survive better and are more pleasant to inhabit. The *perceived* downside is that they can't be directed and their direction can be difficult (if not impossible) to decipher, but this is an advantage: if you build a lever and the lever actually does anything worth doing, the wrong guy will get his hands on the lever. (Kofi Annan will get rich subverting the sanctions against Saddam Hussein, which is worse for Hussein too: Annan doesn't have any reason to stop the sanctions, and if anything, makes more money from "Oil for Food" the more severe the sanctions get.)It's as close to a certainty that it may as well be a law of nature: if there's value in controlling whatever a lever is connected to, someone will get control of the lever. So I don't build a lever and I try to avoid being attached to one. People that insist on organizing, people that prize solidarity, these people are building a lever. (Maybe the wrong person is also helping the push because they expect to get their hands on the lever.)
(DIR) Post #AFokVRm7IS1EmwGjXk by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T02:00:58.360404Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Tradition is values, ways of life, calendar, cuisine, language, stories, etc.I think this is better termed a culture, though, this seems like a description of a culture. But none of those things are fixed, they all move as needed, even religions.
(DIR) Post #AFonfHGNXBCAwcnpo0 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T02:36:21.859151Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > For example, the pagans knew how to design localized failure; the Christians, who wrote their religion, did not.Well, look at the shape of the Catholic Church versus independently organized Protestant churches. The Catholic Church is top-down, a bad pope can hose them, a bad bishop can hose an country's Catholic churches. They built a lever. Cheap, accessible communications severely cut their influence (they tried to stop the printing press on the grounds that harmful disinformation might be disseminated if just *anyone* could print things) because top-down organizations rely on controlling the cogs. A useful lever controls the cogs; letting the cogs decide when and how they turn just makes the lever useless.
(DIR) Post #AFooKb4Eo7mOEspJZo by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T02:43:48Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Those levers -- forced conformity of method, in order to influence thought -- is the basis of control.http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/american_studies/control_by_william_burrou.phpNature like localization. That is, each church starts with a few basic principles and sees where it ends up by interpreting them according to its (realist) needs.
(DIR) Post #AFoox9Gy563hKTAEEa by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T02:50:46Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Most appropriately, tradition is an understanding of the natural order that fits into culture.It's not a set of methods.It's a way of understanding goals and ways of life.
(DIR) Post #AFop3M9V6lqV0ndCXw by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T02:51:54Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Those who do not organize still get dominated and or destroyed however.The point about centralization is reasonable, but the best systems have central power, just an internal balance against abuse.
(DIR) Post #AFop6lx5dpsvthSHdQ by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T02:52:31Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot As always, it depends on the end.Works out well? Fine by everyone.
(DIR) Post #AFopDdvjrfvT2s6Dfk by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T02:53:46Z
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@p @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot We have a state of nature. Everything works okay there. Then tribal bands come about for breeding purposes. That works okay too.Then fixed civilization... and they all decay because people are more interested in "live and let live" (for social reasons) than "get it right."
(DIR) Post #AFopLsWvT0hmdtQ7RQ by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T02:55:15Z
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@sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Current trope is that conservatism defends the near past, therefore when a society goes Leftward, conservatives end up defending a Leftist status quo ante.There is some truth to it, but more accurately, conservatives incorporate Leftism in a desperate bid for attention.
(DIR) Post #AFopOWvkEM0IWMIFtY by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T02:55:44Z
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@sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Everything good takes effort, but it does not need to be a grind, in my experience.There's not enough free time in the modern world.
(DIR) Post #AFopP3VJ7fSrXvB6lk by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T02:55:50.556109Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > This depends. You could design a civilization around cat ownership.Well, sure, but you get the point, I think: at some point, you're using a hammer to pound in screws. These are some good images: you can use mathematics or realism or "class struggle" or anything you like to try to analyze them, but those are all wrong, none of them can really tell you whether an image is appealing (aesthetics) or meaningful (aesthetic symbolism). They may be useful for analyzing the message encapsulated by the image, but they can't tell you what is a really great painting or sculpture or whatever, those are all far too literal. They can't be used to create meaning.4be9c320f6582792b172982cb57d705e0ec6197ebdcd1a883385d06a63ead491.pngGulácsy_Lajos_(1882-1932)_The_Opium_Smokers_Dream_(1913-18).jpgLa-partie-de-bésigue.jpgLa_romería_de_San_Isidro.jpgLast-judgment-scrovegni-chapel-giotto-1306.jpgMatsumotoShunsuke_Cityscape_1938.pngMatsumotoShunsuke_Cityscape_with_Buildings_and_People.pngMemling_Vanity_and_Salvation.jpgSerpiente_alquimica.jpgVictor_Hugo-Octopus.jpgblake.jpeblake--creation_of_eve.jpefight_between_carnival_and_lent--pieter_bruegel--1559.jpghellmouth_by_simon_marmion--1475.jpgmodena_inferno_fresco.jpgsalome.jpgsamsara.jpesnake-turtle-elephant.jpgthe_treachery_of_images.jpetoshihide_migita--illustration_of_chinese_generals_from_pyongyang_captured_alive_1894.jpgwilliam-blake-the-house-of-death.jpg
(DIR) Post #AFopj9FnSFPPAdVJa4 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T02:59:28.436326Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @PonyPanda @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > And like any effect, it had a causeThe point was that, to the extent people can agree on the rules, they can cooperate. Saying we live in a society doesn't really address that.
(DIR) Post #AFopqCNiDyOktjZJ5c by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T03:00:44.889659Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @PonyPanda @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > and they will clobber each other.They'll all be dead by the time we get to Houston and their kids might want to go to Minneapolis. You don't build the entire end goal at once.
(DIR) Post #AFopwVfHRTmCRRnMG0 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T03:01:53.322685Z
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@amerika @coyote @Crankenstein @sim @dew_the_dew @alex @rikkatakarada @ChristiJunior @freedompatriot @wjmaggos > Realism explains how things work, and therefore can be a goal in itself: understand and adapt to reality.It doesn't tell you why you should care about anything; it's reductionist.
(DIR) Post #AFoq6CXxNU1Q2lzUmW by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T03:03:37.919029Z
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@sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Have you never read pr listened to conservatives? They literally say the reason top vote for republican conservatives over progressive democrats is becasue conservatives are the true liberals.
(DIR) Post #AFoqBDKDuWpLuExQ3M by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T03:04:32.480611Z
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@sim Have you never read or listened too conservatives? They literally say the reason too vote for republican conservatives over progressive democrats is becasue conservatives are the true liberals. They literally claim the civil rights movement
(DIR) Post #AFoqoNOmOL9ARTlLFI by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T03:11:36Z
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@sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Not really. Realism is a goal, where ideologies tend to be methods with a presumed Utopian goal.
(DIR) Post #AFoqx3LWJeD4rANKrI by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T03:13:11Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @throwaway1 @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot In my view, Late Stage Democracies always start opinion-policing because, since they are unstable, Control is their only option.Just like the Asiatic empires of Darius and Khan.
(DIR) Post #AFor49wyA1bdMjHSJk by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T03:14:28Z
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@p @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot As Thomas Sowell says, everything is a relative choice including a tradeoff. There is no Utopia.However, I think tradition is difficult to define simply because it is not necessarily as simple as absolute rules. "Father of the bridge pays for the wedding" works as a general principle until marriage changes in some very fundamental way. The principle remains the same, and can adapt.
(DIR) Post #AForA8LD3WqM73T2TA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T03:15:32Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I disagree. All organisms adapt to reality.Those which do not need to live have stepped off the merry-go-round and are not worth worrying about.
(DIR) Post #AForCygvOEn13Myrke by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T03:16:03Z
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@peaceful @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot As opposed to humanism and other ideologies, I suppose, but mostly, as a goal. Try to be realistic and understand the world, and that will bring you closer to your gods.
(DIR) Post #AForOd3vdEBrRnIQqW by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T03:18:10Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot It tells you that you care about that which helps you adapt to reality.Your goal is biological and organic: to adapt and survive, then thrive if you can.Beyond that, it probably varies with the individual.
(DIR) Post #AForQMmd7yWbXQ28sS by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T03:18:28Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @PonyPanda @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I disagree. You need a clear destination even if the details are fuzzy.
(DIR) Post #AForSJq13884yxY3SC by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T03:18:50Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @PonyPanda @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot A society must choose what design and form it wishes to take.The variants are not compatible.
(DIR) Post #AForYdhO7W9CJiWhQe by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T03:19:57Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I think meaning exists only in the individual.Groups can share pleasure in activities, and heuristic goals, but the meaning is interpreted.
(DIR) Post #AFowbHxvsb0zYJLcOG by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T04:16:29.319768Z
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@amerika @wolfie @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > A good nutshell on the problem of egalitarianism.Not even a little. The idea there is that you are not competent enough to predict which will be which, let alone construct a set of rules that will allow others to determine which will be which.
(DIR) Post #AFoxUZXYEulnzBMxCC by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T04:26:28.790953Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @PonyPanda @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos "Extra territorium jus dicenti impune non paretur." You don't use a hammer to pound in screws. You can try, but it's absurd and it doesn't make the point.
(DIR) Post #AFoxn7RcvFLCLpRSca by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T04:29:49.903715Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Not quite, since the collective exists to subsidize the individual (equality, socialism).You're confusing the "care and feeding" it promises with the subversion of will it demands. In every single communist system and in the communist philosophy, you see stark regimentation. It's right in Trotsky: he believed that farmers weren't cohesive enough to avoid subversion by bourgeois interests, so they have to take their orders from proletariats, who take their orders from the "vanguard of the proletariat", and the vanguard takes its orders from Comintern. The USSR worked that way by *design* (though it was the General Secretary of the Party rather than Comintern), Cuba, China. "You're too stupid to safeguard your interests."The recruitment rhetoric claims equality, but that has never been the plan nor the practice of communism. The four-color glossies can and should be ignored when evaluating anything.
(DIR) Post #AFoy4A4SPXrHQ3jNku by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T04:32:54.696611Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I agree, but I don't think it's intolerance. It's control: the demand that all use the same methods.Intolerance of deviant behavior *is* control. Same thing.
(DIR) Post #AFoznlK2rF7PwDKWie by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T04:52:21.479094Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > I miss old school blue boxing and piracy because they vaulted many people ahead of where they would have been otherwise.It'd still be here were it not for the clamp down on unapproved behavior. Mild tolerance for things like blue-boxing allows people to get a bit of negative feedback without ruining their lives. Compare the case of Jobs and Woz to the cases of aaronsw or weev; you got off easy for stuff that didn't really hurt anyone in the 70s, that time is over. It's extreme intolerance::pinkwojak: BUT THEY COMMITTED FRAUDTechnically, they did defraud the phone company. Anyone that does anything interesting is going to color outside the lines once in a while, and extreme forms of Karen-ism fucked us over. This is entirely my point. Leave people the fuck alone and some of them will pull off great shit. If we could predict *which* ones then there wouldn't be a stock market and venture capitalists would have an excessively easy job. You can't predict which degenerate lunatic is going to do something brilliant. You have to just give people enough space that you don't fuck up potential great shit.
(DIR) Post #AFozthGYqqzV5yWwNc by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T04:53:25.833854Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Expensive and unworkable. My solution costs nothing: it makes the problem solve itself.
(DIR) Post #AFp0LfGrrXY5140fb6 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T04:58:29.105186Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > Depends on the stranger and what he is telling you.No, this is absolute.> Very few of us know the historical authorities we read, for example.They do not have the authority to give me orders, and can't after they're dead. I'm talking about legislators ordering the police to order me that I can't own some guns or that I can't shoot heroin.(I think you know that and you're ribbing me, but come on.)
(DIR) Post #AFp0s3D4OVd4WlfzSS by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T05:04:20.286943Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > This question shows up in chapter one of the Republic, by the way.I have not read Plato in, like, 20 years, but I'm starting to think that the Greek philosophers were like the Bruce Lee of philosophy. (This isn't intended to be a compliment: the guy wasn't a soldier or a professional boxer, but he did talk a lot.)
(DIR) Post #AFp12JPT1BRhfOMs52 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T05:06:11.555512Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot That's an "ends justify the means" argument; I'm talking about the scope of an individual's right to interfere, which is limited of necessity by how much you know and how certain you are of it.
(DIR) Post #AFp14sPHs2mEmsVTNI by MaceDindu@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T05:06:39.363402Z
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@p @amerika @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @Hyolobrika @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos the everyone of philosophy is like the tits on a bull of philosophy, from what I can tell.
(DIR) Post #AFp1Hw07opwBhOxobw by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T05:09:00.957608Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > History shows us clearly what they will deliverDoes it? Radicals here built the US; radicals in France killed Lavoisier and ended up getting an emperor for their troubles.Look at the Magna Carta: they chased a king down and did what? Usually a king fucked up and you killed him, but they made him sign an agreement. That is a pretty big step.
(DIR) Post #AFp1NHlkJThiewn1I8 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T05:09:58.980859Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot You really need a bigger character limit so that it's not, like, 3 replies per post. Tell the admin to switch to glitch-soc.
(DIR) Post #AFp1P8uwC8O5mkyU5I by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-26T05:10:18.845854Z
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@p @amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @sim @freedompatriot >but they made him sign an agreementpretty white of them
(DIR) Post #AFp1RaHrPDRfFZrQHI by MaceDindu@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T05:10:45.596979Z
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@p @amerika @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @Hyolobrika @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos @wolfie tolerance of deviant behavior *is* control. In point of fact, the former is the rule, and the latter is the exception.
(DIR) Post #AFp1udaaCxXntBTJ0C by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T05:16:00.637884Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot > 10,000 pedophiles on track B, one anime masturbator on track A.I think you get the ratio backwards. I think most people send it down track B even with the numbers reversed.But you've missed the question: you're making the case that evil generally overtakes good, but where did you get your idea of good and evil? Good is inherent but we have this idea that our natural tendencies are evil because you have cause and effect reversed (this problem came from the Greeks as far as I can tell): the definition of "good" came *from* our nature and the definition of evil came from what disrupts our nature. If you have an idea of where else we got these words, I'm all ears.trolley_solution.jpg
(DIR) Post #AFp22MP7z5ziuMnQ9I by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T05:17:24.381790Z
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@amerika @kazcynski_stan @ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @nugger @sim @freedompatriot > He had a chance to avoid that war"He could have just continued Chamberlain's policy and waited until Germany invaded England!"Come on.
(DIR) Post #AFp4cSYCoF6yIvNpNA by p@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T05:46:20.426115Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot As fun as this thread is, I do have to go. Even if I plow through the notifications like a demon, it's been basically all of the notifications for two days. (dat stddev @pnotifbot)pnotifbot.png
(DIR) Post #AFp4mv4BdvivdlKWBc by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-26T05:48:13.572496Z
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@p @amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @pnotifbot @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @sim @freedompatriot Then you'll never see this.
(DIR) Post #AFp7mEvcby1soVgv32 by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2022-01-26T06:21:43.381669Z
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@p The most charitable interpretation I can come up with for @amerika 's post is that he's suggesting they should have joined the Axis, but that's also the most historically illiterate thing one could say about the subject. The Reich gave Britain two options. Fight or surrender. The entire European side of the war was a direct response to the treaty of Versailles. By being a signatory as one of the Great War belligerents located within stabbing range of German controlled soil, involvement was unavoidable. @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @kazcynski_stan @nugger @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos
(DIR) Post #AFpcLTcKzH1D8BODGy by mar77i@gleasonator.com
2022-01-26T12:04:13.571742Z
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That might explain the constant GaaS-lighting.
(DIR) Post #AFpcdbntI07ZjVRJKa by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T12:07:30.138033Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot That's not far off to how the parties are functioning so I agree with some truth to it. But I'm way more interested to see what conservatism looks like without liberalism. I'm not convinced that conservatism is a liberal ideology itself, more that it currently incorporates it as you say.
(DIR) Post #AFpcnPGakykRkIXIq8 by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T12:09:17.079775Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Sometimes it feels like there just isn't enough time in general in the modern world.
(DIR) Post #AFpdSRW9ICnCbFNeHg by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T12:16:42.085746Z
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@Boomerman I have read from a conservative, yes. I've been reading Roger Scruton. I'm also not from the US so I don't pay as much attention to them. I'm not really thinking about the parties themselves which are really weird in their politics.
(DIR) Post #AFpdbDk7sLCyU86Ub2 by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T12:18:17.232736Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot That makes sense. So you'd need to add the addition of realism to whatever politics you have.
(DIR) Post #AFpghCQrxdMK1JdgdE by kazcynski_stan@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-26T12:52:58.769329Z
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@leyonhjelm @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @nugger @sim @freedompatriot And how would the world, or Britain for that matter, be any worse if Britain surrendered?
(DIR) Post #AFplitxK7utd4ARyhU by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T13:49:18Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @alex @Crankenstein @kazcynski_stan @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @nugger @sim @freedompatriot I was thinking more of his policy in Poland, which as you know was a proxy war.These have a habit of blowing up.I would have spoken to Hitler about what needed to be done to re-negotiate Versailles, and steered him off there.I don't like Hitler, but I'm not fond of Churchill, FDR, or Stalin either.
(DIR) Post #AFplmlpUHZER1Md6o4 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T13:50:00Z
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@leyonhjelm @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @kazcynski_stan @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @nugger @sim @freedompatriot > he's suggesting they should have joined the AxisNot what I'm suggesting at all.There are many more options.War is not a light switch."By being a signatory as one of the Great War belligerents located within stabbing range of German controlled soil, involvement was unavoidable."Not likely true. (cont)
(DIR) Post #AFplrCfORbYdPh1Qki by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T13:50:48Z
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@leyonhjelm @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @kazcynski_stan @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @nugger @sim @freedompatriot Hitler made his aims clear: (1) seize nearby lands where German ethnic groups already lived and (2) seize necessary resources.Had the UK not chosen to enter the war on the side of the Poles, after sending mixed messages, they would have been fine.
(DIR) Post #AFplw6DDrvegqMBE36 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T13:51:41Z
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@kazcynski_stan @ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @nugger @sim @freedompatriot I'll take this in another direction: I think the stability of national socialism was overrated.Had they taken over Europe and Eurasia, probably very little would have changed except avoiding the Cold War.The one risk factor is nuclear weapons.
(DIR) Post #AFplyyhWFhecPrivz6 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T13:52:12Z
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@sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot We are starved for time by the many obligations imposed upon us by the modern lifestyle and government, almost all of which accrue to others.
(DIR) Post #AFpm1nmtHgvtRCaC9Y by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T13:52:42Z
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@sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot I would like a society that bases itself on realism as its standard for everything.No more weeping about heroes and victims. Focus on results and how to improve things.Politicians hate this and votards do not understand it.
(DIR) Post #AFpm6a8PTO1YXevYn2 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T13:53:34Z
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@sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Me either. I think conservatives want order and liberals want individualism.These two are not compatible in terms of civilization outlook.Classical liberals punted on the civilization question in a bourgeois sense, taking it for granted.That did not work out so well.
(DIR) Post #AFpm8cFWa6a9gDE1NA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T13:53:57Z
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@mar77i @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @dave @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot It's almost as bad as Comcast. They must advertise not to sell their product, but to quell dissent over its mediocrity ;)
(DIR) Post #AFpmDpTsoWzMAHQY64 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T13:54:46Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @pnotifbot @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot It is a bit of work, but we have not yet answered the question.
(DIR) Post #AFpmW2qxppHcqnuQJk by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T13:58:11.829470Z
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@sim So you understand what liberalism is correct?
(DIR) Post #AFpmWQ25ecqijyI8Lw by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T13:58:15.860082Z
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@amerika @kazcynski_stan @ChristiJunior @coyote @leyonhjelm @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @nugger @freedompatriot There probably wouldn't have been a European Union, certainly not in its current form. Which would have been pretty based. Since that was created in response to the second world war. But I'm not sure if what would have replaced it would be any better, especially if Germany decided to take over more land. There would have been more internal wars, I think.
(DIR) Post #AFpmWgHZEqjj8beihM by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T13:58:18Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot This may be my favorite misanthropic meme of all time. I'm adding it to a few other favorites.The point I was making is that good and evil are human projections of "functional" and "dysfunctional." We externalize them in order to reduce our agency.What you are describing is merely relativity. What is good for ancient Greeks may not be good for modern Africa or Los Angeles.
(DIR) Post #AFpmZFfqcldLTxEr7Q by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T13:58:46Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Of course, that invokes genetic determinism.Every nation gets the government it deserves because morons always choose the same things.
(DIR) Post #AFpmfxolPZwg84bqls by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T13:59:59Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot It's a bit infuriating but I can see why they like the text limit. The real problem is that usernames count against that limit.
(DIR) Post #AFpmhiJg14qQdDu3wu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:00:18Z
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@bot @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot The question is what works, not what they think works.
(DIR) Post #AFpmi2IzhKBMctjnf6 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:00:21.515327Z
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@sim @amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Conservatism is liberalism so if liberalism (a system of individualized rights) then there is not conservatism. Conservative has nothing the do with conserving and never has its always been the hand brake of the liberalism train.
(DIR) Post #AFpmleuIdN7VDSukuO by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:01:00Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot The US was founded by radicals? I wonder: it seems more as if they intended to limit radicalism, hence the Constitution.The magna carta was the revolt of the middle class and like the French Revolution, turned out badly.The Americans reversed themselves during their civil war.
(DIR) Post #AFpmmgZbvMbAfpj8Xw by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:01:12.274630Z
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@amerika @sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Conservatives are the biggest individualists out there what are you talkkng about
(DIR) Post #AFpmrNx4aPH0MrwU1A by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:02:03.183535Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot I suppose politicians hate this because it would make them unpopular with the voters or because it involves more thought and work than they want to put in.
(DIR) Post #AFpmsObddgYqgdOkr2 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:02:13Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot As a realist, I am concerned with end results (and oppose "justification" entirely).If the results are good, the action was good.As far as a "right" to interfere, I think that's addressed by the previous paragraph.
(DIR) Post #AFpmsyaTrT1eHT8L32 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:02:20.483990Z
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@sim Conservatism is liberalism so if liberalism (a system of individualized rights) goed away then there is no conservatism. Conservatisn has nothing the do with conserving and never has, its always been the hand brake of the liberalism train.
(DIR) Post #AFpmuZvUWPekNIj12e by Arty24@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:02:37.208486Z
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@sim @Boomerman @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot liberal as in 'liberalism' i.e. current liberal democracy etc.
(DIR) Post #AFpmx7Dfi2UAD9RFg0 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:03:04Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Greek philosophers vary widely, but the big point is that there is nothing new under the sun and their analyses stand (1) because some of them nailed it and (2) because they nailed the archetypes that exist today.There are only so many options for how to think about a problem.
(DIR) Post #AFpn0HhZC2rHacvtU8 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:03:39.706308Z
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@Arty24 @sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot It amazes me that people throw around the word liberal and zero idea what it means
(DIR) Post #AFpn3plP0aeA6EQ40W by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:04:17Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Here is where you veer toward individualism and I toward realism.Classical liberalism fails because it punts on the civilization question.At some point, there is going to be some authority, or you will answer to those who organize around authority.The question is how to make good authority.Where we agree: minimal > total.
(DIR) Post #AFpn6xx917JKMpPBFA by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:04:52.201324Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Is there someone that I can read who is able to give examples of this well?
(DIR) Post #AFpn72Q0Pkm2DUwHmi by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:04:52Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Expensive but not unworkable: it makes a more pleasant place to live.
(DIR) Post #AFpn8YD9hALd6reLo0 by Arty24@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:05:09.343438Z
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@Boomerman @sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot gotta read hitler's revolution that explains it well imo
(DIR) Post #AFpnBQBXzYpH5QGa0m by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:05:39Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot My version of this:Leave talented people the fuck alone.We can predict which ones are potentially able to do great things versus the rest rather easily.
(DIR) Post #AFpnGLdmJfdMRIovrM by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:06:33Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Not necessarily. A Galtonian like myself would say that the corrective action occurs after the violation, therefore cannot control it; what we are doing is removing a threat so that others are safe.When someone kills, we cannot bring the victim back to life.We can remove a killer who is a risk to others however.
(DIR) Post #AFpnHnJKvMl6XxwsUa by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:06:48.898232Z
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@sim And yes in a more authoritarian system conservatives cant exist as the political fence sitters they are because they get bullied and told too shit or get off the pot. Conservatism is a suicidal ideology.
(DIR) Post #AFpnJtVYr1mULWfTay by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:07:12Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Choose a paradoxical belief system,a nd you have to enforce it with total militarization.Both Hitler and the Communists attempted this.It's a moronic idea, but it always follows a previous moronic idea.
(DIR) Post #AFpnQBL5TJ8NNylcPo by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:08:20Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @PonyPanda @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "One who exercises jurisdiction out of his territory is not obeyed with impunity."The screw I see being pounded in here is the idea of individual absolute autonomy, which does not work in civilization.Again, classical liberals punt on the civilization question, which is why their philosophy is as incomplete as National Socialism.
(DIR) Post #AFpnSCuAcYTCoz8txA by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:08:42Z
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@p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @wolfie @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot We do not need absolute prediction; we need to know what works consistently.
(DIR) Post #AFpnUy9fuvTfwaiCMS by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:09:12.475379Z
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@Boomerman It's more something that I know when I see it than something I can articulate right now. There are few offshoots of it too. In my working theory, so many of our modern problems stem from liberal thinking. I'd like to find something away from it but I don't know if we can escape it right now. It colours so much of modern lives and the ways that we think.
(DIR) Post #AFpnXB1x19haSJ9SqG by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:09:36Z
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@peaceful @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I don't trust human reason. I trust consistency in reality.For that reason, understanding the world is a goal, and any religious thought which is incompatible with that strikes me as charatanism.God/gods never command that we do what is unrealistic.
(DIR) Post #AFpnYb2hn4arQ8BJEe by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:09:51.804001Z
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@sim Read mein kampf
(DIR) Post #AFpnbak1MqALM2s0w4 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:10:24Z
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@sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Politicians hate risk, which includes addressing real problems that can have unpleasant or "bad optics" side effects.It's one reason why democracy is a death vortex.
(DIR) Post #AFpnhxPS05PhOdHfDE by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:11:33.312913Z
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@sim And youre right liberalism is societal rot. America has gonna nuts with its liberalism and imported all over the world and doesnt matter in america if the conservatives or progressives are in charge liberalism marches on apace because theyre bot sides of the same coin
(DIR) Post #AFpnm9BGB4Y93ue0Bs by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:12:18.695565Z
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@Crankenstein @amerika @ChristiJunior @alex @coyote @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot @p @rikkatakarada @sim @wjmaggos without Nazis being degen
(DIR) Post #AFpnoAScODhvbwj86K by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:12:40Z
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@sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Any study of oligarchy should provide it.Classical liberal societies always produce robber baron ages.Is this terrible? Less so than the Leftists say, but it decays into entrenched inflexible interests just like socialism.I believe Scruton addresses this, but he was a student of Plato.
(DIR) Post #AFpnujYio7QECjiFcW by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:13:51Z
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@1iceloops123 @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I do not find any solutions in National Socialism. Its best aspect was its recognition of ethnic nationalism, but the giant State and dogma it brought in were destructive, unstable, and consequently, abusive.I also do not believe that The Jews(tm) do anything in a uniform matter. Most complaints about them are in fact complaints regarding diversity itself.
(DIR) Post #AFpo17T4pMCe5u7Kng by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:15:01.039053Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot to me they are people
(DIR) Post #AFpo4cyo7jWQh9dEsy by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:15:39.120102Z
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@amerika @1iceloops123 @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Abusive to who? It worked so well the west had to prop up the soviets and kill millions just too stop it. Liberalism is far more abusive than anything hitler or the national socialists did
(DIR) Post #AFpoJ3RQXLc8ontic4 by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:18:15.565681Z
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@amerika @p @ChristiJunior @coyote @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Well, there were a few magna cartas too since it was taken by Royalty after that and then watered down, leaving problems to be kicked along the path rather than resolved. It led to a taxation system built on the premise of war. So the government in England was at its best during wartime so you can imagine this encouraged the Kings to keep going to war, especially in France to recover lands. It was basically the main time that later nobility accepted taxation.
(DIR) Post #AFpoUKpMEj5dvRTCSW by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:20:17.855887Z
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@Boomerman @amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I was going to say killing millions because you dislike a group of people for no reason other than "I dislike them" is but his instance admins are degenerate.
(DIR) Post #AFpooUEixmVytnwau0 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:23:55Z
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@sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot And that then ended them.Much of those wars were the result of population explosions.Society under the monarchs worked too well, it seems.
(DIR) Post #AFporo5zaFvpMNRWtM by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:24:32Z
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@1iceloops123 @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I don't mind Hitler saying that non-German groups were not compatible with Germany.But the brutality? Tsk, tsk. Crass and pointless, sure to backfire.
(DIR) Post #AFpouPWTOxmG184S1I by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:25:00.616193Z
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@Arty24 @Boomerman @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Maybe I'll get around to reading stuff on Hitler. I'm mostly curious if conservatism has to be merged with liberalism. I know current politics has the two merged and I'm not happy with that.
(DIR) Post #AFpoyMGJSzQR3xOVLU by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:25:43Z
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@sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Arty24 @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot We live in a liberal time, hence current conservatism attempts to stay "relevant" by being Leftist.It is a strategic error.
(DIR) Post #AFppE3AGEriwSx2uUy by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:28:33.582165Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot I think if you met him in IRL and hangout with him. He would of been a cool guy. But his actions wasn't cool
(DIR) Post #AFppIG1QNQjlV7v2Se by Arty24@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:29:18.903995Z
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@amerika @sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot not really in this context, we're explicitly within the confines of liberal democracyit's the same as having "liberal" (reformist) and "conservative" (hardline) communists in the ussr, they'rer both in the end implicit (explicit?) communists, etc.
(DIR) Post #AFppIU1wIJT2wmGeCu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T14:29:21Z
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@1iceloops123 @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Even worse, they were unrealistic.He was an artist. They don't make good leaders.
(DIR) Post #AFppMXtpqmie6cPjYu by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:30:05.685537Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot yeah because they have weird ideas I should know
(DIR) Post #AFppOC0mCUsUngRiXg by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:30:23.550953Z
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@amerika @1iceloops123 @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot Again what brutality? Brutality like fire bombing civilian population centers?
(DIR) Post #AFppYNmnHJDUDKlTUW by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:32:14.090427Z
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@Boomerman I have debated reading that before, and I probably will. Is this the really important book to understanding national socialism?
(DIR) Post #AFppccWERZEr482Sgq by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:33:00.021770Z
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@sim @Arty24 @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot You dont seem to understand conservatism inst merged to liberalism it is liberalism just a branch that grew a different direction from the shitlib types
(DIR) Post #AFppfaQafs3VRuoYRU by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:33:32.205066Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot That was the main thought that came to mind when I thought about why they hate this. They are concerned with getting votes now.
(DIR) Post #AFpplYd8Grw3bxWnMO by Arty24@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:34:36.637760Z
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@amerika @sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot you make the mistake of calling the 'conservative' a 'reactionary' (one who wishes to return to a previous system (e.g. monarchism from liberal democracy), the conservative is wholley on board with the current system they reside in
(DIR) Post #AFpq1tX8Jy2l4hVo9I by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:37:33.831450Z
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@sim Lmao the fact that youre afraid to read a book written by the most important man of 20th century should clue you in on its importance but i encourage people too read it too understand an ideology that isnt liberal but doesnt call for repressing its own people. National socialism is lied about in the west and thats why reading books on it feels like its dirty or icky or bad because the liberal order fears it and tells you since youre a kid that adolf hitler is a unique evil
(DIR) Post #AFpq5kUZsV0cBz9dqa by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:38:14.987930Z
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@Boomerman When you think about the decline of western society, it is hard to escape the connection with liberalism. I hate how this has been imported all over the world. It also seems like the progressives have managed to march through the institutions and the conservatives have just left the intellectual grounds to them because they are often oblivious. Which needs to change. Then again, maybe not much would change if they have been captured by liberalism too.
(DIR) Post #AFpqFPOx9DQPg086k4 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:40:00.611689Z
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@Arty24 @amerika @sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Liberals: we want fags too marry its their right Conservatives: we want fags but can they just not call it marriage? Will a civil union work? As long as its in your own house who cares.Everyone else: how bout we just dont have fags?
(DIR) Post #AFpqGxR45y9jWLr9MW by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:40:16.793720Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot I'm not sure that I have read into Scruton's work on oligarchy enough to know. On saying that, I still need to read Plato.
(DIR) Post #AFpqVYNTXg1I9I8Yue by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:42:55.447163Z
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@sim Again conservatives are there too ensure nascent popular energy is wasted on retarded shit and diffused into something less radical. Thats how conservatives managed too storm the capitol and then do absolutely nothing after doing so. its liberlisms own little immune system to the people getting too rowdy and looking to the fasces and not muh constitution
(DIR) Post #AFpqfeDWga1H9iISJc by Arty24@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:44:45.152957Z
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@Boomerman @amerika @sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot where i'm from the 'conservatives' fucking LEGALIZED fag marriage
(DIR) Post #AFpqzKwO44o5A8fVcO by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:48:18.365605Z
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@Arty24 @amerika @sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Thats ultimately where they end up they get the people who dont like fags to vote for them then stab them in the back when big money jews like sheldon adelson hand them a fat bag of cash.
(DIR) Post #AFprk8a3pxGWRGXeiW by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:56:46.149663Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot That wouldn't surprise me. Wasn't it the middle class and urbanisation that killed it though? Especially urbanisation because towns benefited from gaining more citizens due to taxes. Land also became a commodity that you could rent out for more money rather than trading labour and goods to settle there. Trying to improve conditions also kicked a lot of people out, especially in Ireland. It was cheaper to send people elsewhere than to keep them under the old rules like happened in Scotland.
(DIR) Post #AFprrfxG9QIzyRzHDE by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T14:58:07.893585Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Arty24 @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Yeah, it is definitely an error to give away that ground.
(DIR) Post #AFpruJ79Wm4S0KrylM by CatLord@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:58:36.434838Z
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@amerika @sim @freedompatriot @ChristiJunior @Crankenstein @wjmaggos @rikkatakarada @p @coyote @dew_the_dew @alex Finkelthink categories. In a healthy nation, the people are pro-social.
(DIR) Post #AFprv12kCWgkFP9504 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T14:58:44.099253Z
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@amerika @1iceloops123 @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot He was the best leader
(DIR) Post #AFpsQ9yb2Pjkvj3X7o by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T15:04:21.833079Z
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@Boomerman @Arty24 @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Maybe that is something that I am not understanding. Like an offshoot of liberalism. It would still be nice to think that there can be conservatism without liberalism and to find that.
(DIR) Post #AFpsvmkuuIzEBAjnYe by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T15:10:04.758513Z
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@Boomerman There was that element to it. But I was thinking more along the lines that I want to read the more important book on the subject. I read the communist manifesto thinking that would be the more important book on communism and you can imagine my disappointment when it answered nothing, Marx is a bad writer and there is some other book of his to read but even that doesn't give me an idea of what communism looks like.
(DIR) Post #AFpu40a9U7RjKdBgGW by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:22:46.229849Z
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@sim Well hitler is pretty much the national socilaist and unlike marx he wasnt some coddled faggot who was rich his whole life and actually practiced what he preached unlike marx hitler did a revolution and thats why mein kampf had to written from jail
(DIR) Post #AFpuNqLpEWpZONwbhY by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T15:26:20.806304Z
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@Boomerman I suppose. If I can get a hold of that book, people aren't going to tell me that I should have read a different book if I wanted to understand it, right? That's the main thing. This seems to happen quite a bit with communism.
(DIR) Post #AFpubf8fiUWWflNhgG by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:28:51.152002Z
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@sim Theres no one book to understand anything but mein kampf is straight from the source without all libel from the west.
(DIR) Post #AFpuicH4lUL3odd07M by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T15:30:06.142409Z
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@Boomerman That's true. If you can trust the translations of it anyway.
(DIR) Post #AFpvAylgj9OlgfTGu8 by borzoi@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:35:13.849999Z
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@sim @Boomerman Read both the Dalton translation and the ADL translation and make your own assessment
(DIR) Post #AFpvGyM1BBtu8mK1XU by RoyalJohnny242@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:36:19.061550Z
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@borzoi @sim @Boomerman Is the Stalag translation any good?
(DIR) Post #AFpvHinEWL0EAVPPLU by mrchips@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:32:06.489902Z
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@sim @Boomerman I don't think there are National Socialists out there who will tell you that "Real National Socialism has never been tried."
(DIR) Post #AFpvHjRI7P2sAk9Ome by sim@shitposter.club
2022-01-26T15:36:26.352892Z
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@mrchips @Boomerman That is good at least. It happens too often these days otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AFpvY9l02LgiQfCVpw by Ottovonshitpost@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:39:25.258254Z
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@borzoi @sim @Boomerman >arched eyebrow>Light shining off bald pate as head shakes side to side, enormous gages swinging>"Not the ORIGINAL GERMAN? Sorry kid, ngmi"
(DIR) Post #AFpvhuR3rCDfo1WdFo by LorgarAurelian1488@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:41:11.172225Z
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@borzoi @sim @Boomerman Here is the dalton translation uploded to LBRY:odysee.com/@ArmouredHeart:7/Mein-Kampf-Dalton-Translation-Vol-1:aodysee.com/@ArmouredHeart:7/Mein-Kampf-Dalton-Translation-Vol-2:2
(DIR) Post #AFpviAbDlBqxwAOyJM by gallonofvril@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2022-01-26T15:41:13.855924Z
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@RoyalJohnny242 @Boomerman @borzoi @sim I'm gonna say no, only because the POWs didn't immediately join the SS.
(DIR) Post #AFpvkCUrfzdUOwOftg by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:41:35.987732Z
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@sim There are plenty of good ones out there im sure plenty of people will be happy to link them. The thing is you cant understand why conservatism fails without seeing a true opposition too liberalism and since we know the liberals and commies teamed uo to kill national socialism we know that communism is not oppositional to liberalism.
(DIR) Post #AFpvqZrXiRTibf2raK by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:42:45.191916Z
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@LorgarAurelian1488 @borzoi @sim Lol does antelope hill not do their own version?
(DIR) Post #AFpvuuqRe7R2q9bHii by LorgarAurelian1488@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:43:32.217410Z
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@sim @Boomerman Dude it's translated from German, not some dead language. If anything is slightly off in the translation, it won't be enough to confuse you from the message which is pretty crystal clear, straight forward, and make a hell of a lot more sense than anything political I have ever read about.
(DIR) Post #AFpw13Mqs79B0hgWzQ by borzoi@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:44:38.428743Z
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@Boomerman @LorgarAurelian1488 @sim There’s no need with the Dalton version which you can buy from his own site
(DIR) Post #AFpw7rmeL4Wn6v05my by LorgarAurelian1488@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:45:52.690738Z
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@Boomerman @borzoi @sim Yes buy a physical copy, but for somebody not already a fan of Uncle Adolf, its always better to give them the free PDF in my opinion so they might actually read it.
(DIR) Post #AFpwA0aWZir4zpLmr2 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:46:15.915429Z
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@sim @mrchips O it was tried and it was such a resounding success that four of the worlds largest empires at the time all had to unite military and economically to stop it.
(DIR) Post #AFpwKDGCJbiHC5hzYO by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:48:06.139303Z
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@sim @mrchips And before you read it ask yourself this simple question. If the war started to stop hitlers expasion into europe and too maintain polish sovereignity why was poland not free at the end of the war?
(DIR) Post #AFpwaVAnU1W9NowwMK by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:51:02.772281Z
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@sim @Boomerman @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot this has been known for 100 years. This does not mean all "right wing" groups are; just that conservativism as commonly defined and practiced is.
(DIR) Post #AFpx20R3MKbO9yfUuW by ForbiddenDreamer@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:56:00.807562Z
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@sickburnbro @sim @Boomerman @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot It's not exactly a new discovery...
(DIR) Post #AFpx3r8Ev6srsvkb3I by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:56:21.215830Z
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@sickburnbro @sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot The vast majority of "right wing" people in america are not conservatives theyre much closer to us than we think theyre just distracted and mkultrad into never getting the truth
(DIR) Post #AFpxE8zRNYvyAOXZui by sickburnbro@poa.st
2022-01-26T15:58:12.857113Z
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@ForbiddenDreamer @sim @Boomerman @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @amerika @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot "the folly of martyrdom" really hits me on this re-read. Reminds me of how people claim they won't die on any hill.
(DIR) Post #AFqDi0N5aNHbOHrY9Y by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T19:02:51Z
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@sim @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @freedompatriot Urbanization is the great human dream: get enough people together who all agree, and use them to enforce our vision of reality.In a town or city, one does not need to understand nature or logic, just to be able to manipulate others.
(DIR) Post #AFqDqXGJBPBJiRl6Wm by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T19:04:25Z
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@ForbiddenDreamer @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @sickburnbro @sim @freedompatriot It isn't a discovery; it's a con. He wants to blame conservatism for the failures of democracy.Far-Righters love this because they're retards who want an excuse to embrace the failed system of National Socialism.
(DIR) Post #AFqERk1WhN8W0faNHM by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T19:11:07.993863Z
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@amerika @ForbiddenDreamer @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sickburnbro @sim @freedompatriot No retard i want to blame liberalism which conservatism is a branch of. Can you point me to a single succesful social movement by any conservative that had lasting long term benefits for the average american?
(DIR) Post #AFqFOdhxp5RVVYWJoO by Aeternus@poa.st
2022-01-26T19:21:48.040020Z
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@Boomerman @amerika @ForbiddenDreamer @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sickburnbro @sim @freedompatriot The fundamental problem of American conservatism of any kind is that America was founded upon liberalism, and thus nothing short of direct opposition to liberalism itself would be able to succeed.
(DIR) Post #AFqFZ1ZjwJWAQXcqP2 by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T19:23:40.017255Z
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@Aeternus @amerika @ForbiddenDreamer @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sickburnbro @sim @freedompatriot Exactly
(DIR) Post #AFqFaFqMNPyCy5zBrM by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-26T19:23:53Z
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@Aeternus @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Boomerman @dew_the_dew @ForbiddenDreamer @sickburnbro @sim @freedompatriot To a degree, I think so. The Americans looked at the fading monarchy and decided that democracy was the future, so maybe they could limit it with a Constitution.That has obviously failed.What wins? Looking at democracy and equality and rejecting them, then building something else out of the ashes.
(DIR) Post #AFqFxZcB29oSwqTHVY by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T19:28:06.025509Z
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@amerika @Aeternus @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @ForbiddenDreamer @sickburnbro @sim @freedompatriot Lmao ok and conservatives are in direct opposition to that retard
(DIR) Post #AFqG7FKBKLvaumfNlA by Boomerman@poa.st
2022-01-26T19:29:50.806171Z
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@Aeternus @amerika @ForbiddenDreamer @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @dew_the_dew @sickburnbro @sim @freedompatriot A bigger issue is that conservatives in america conflate "socialism" and "communism" with the neoliberal shit going on now. You wont find a passage from marx saying how the working class can only overcome by getting more and more men to have butt sex. They wear a red flag like a matador so idiots attack communism and not the actual issue
(DIR) Post #AFqGTnWEsEEvL13ke0 by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2022-01-26T19:33:55.639880Z
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@Boomerman @Aeternus @amerika @ForbiddenDreamer @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @sickburnbro @sim @freedompatriot
(DIR) Post #AFscB8vLeXKrWvEZ4S by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2022-01-27T22:46:29.039406Z
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@amerika @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot There's nothing wrong with the concept of egalitarianism or the general concept of equality, especially before the law. However, the reality is that not everyone is equally talented, or skilled, or intelligent and so on. Thank goodness for it, too. It'd be a dull world were we all the same, no?That said though, my point was that building a society around keeping the least talented, skilled, intelligent, or whatever 100% safe and secure will lead to a dullard society devoid of much of interest and full of nothing but functionaries and bureaucrats
(DIR) Post #AFsfRQP4jRl0Emat28 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2022-01-27T23:23:03Z
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@wolfie @ChristiJunior @coyote @p @alex @Crankenstein @rikkatakarada @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @dew_the_dew @sim @freedompatriot "There's nothing wrong with the concept of egalitarianism"I disagree; it's not real, which means it's a phantom of the mind which leads to schizophrenia."or the general concept of equality"I disagree; this is how humans justify Control in every case."especially before the law"I disagree; innocents need more rights than repeat criminals.